WEBVTT - 🤚MATT SHIRVINGTON PREVIEWS ULTIMATE TAG! 🤚

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to TV Reload. This is another bonus episode

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<v Speaker 1>featuring a quick chat with Matt Shirvington, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>hosts of Channel seven's later shows Ultimate Tag. Matt Shervington's

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<v Speaker 1>athletic career made him a household name when he competed

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time at the Kuala Lumpur Olympics in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety eight. Shervington is the second fastest Australian sprinter

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<v Speaker 1>of all time, and just as quickly, he has established

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<v Speaker 1>himself as a TV presenter. This year, he found himself

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<v Speaker 1>as the man of the moment at Channel seven, hosting

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<v Speaker 1>Holy Moly and now Ultimate Tag. There's something authentic and

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<v Speaker 1>quite natural about his presenting style and it's no wonder

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<v Speaker 1>Australia loves seeing him on their TV screens. So I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to welcome you to today's guest. It's Matt Shirvington.

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<v Speaker 2>Got this opportunity to do this brand new show, Ultimate Tag.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got a sport kind of underlying it.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to the fastest show on television.

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<v Speaker 2>The elitists and the athleticism. I really really bought into.

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<v Speaker 4>The longer they last, the further I'll go.

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<v Speaker 2>I just feel so comfortable to be able to apply

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<v Speaker 2>my skill set that I built up as a sports broadcast.

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<v Speaker 3>There's only one rule. I've been lucky enough to have

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<v Speaker 3>enough experience behind me to be able to be myself.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you, mate? Are you well?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going really well? Yeah, very happy to join.

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<v Speaker 1>You, Matt, You've become the king of Channel seven. To

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<v Speaker 1>Sony Krueger's Queen, was it a surprise to get asked

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<v Speaker 1>to host Ultimate Tags? So soon after Holy Moly?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know?

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<v Speaker 2>My opportunity to diversify my career came hard and fast.

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<v Speaker 2>I moved to Channel seven midway through last year and

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<v Speaker 2>started in the newsroom in Sport, and I got a

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<v Speaker 2>call to do a screen test for Holy Moly, and

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<v Speaker 2>jumped at that chance, and knowing that there was an

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<v Speaker 2>American series, and I was able to kind of watch

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<v Speaker 2>that and get a gist of what was going on.

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<v Speaker 2>And then barely weeks later I got a call to

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<v Speaker 2>do this other screen test for another amazing show called

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<v Speaker 2>Ultimate Tag, and that one I kind of like.

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<v Speaker 3>I really invested myself in both of them.

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<v Speaker 2>But the first screen test, I was very nervous, and

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<v Speaker 2>I worked really hard on trying to understand the concept

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<v Speaker 2>and whatever else. And when Ultimate Tag came around, I

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<v Speaker 2>knew what the concept was. However, I was working in

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<v Speaker 2>the news room that day and I had the morning

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<v Speaker 2>news and then I had the afternoon news, and in

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<v Speaker 2>between I had about a ninety minute block where I

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<v Speaker 2>had to drive from Martin Place to Botany Bay to

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<v Speaker 2>do a screen test for Ultimate Tag. And I remember

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<v Speaker 2>walking away going I think that was okay, but do

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, I probably didn't give it my best

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<v Speaker 2>and I might not get it. And sure enough, a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks later, I got a call and they said,

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<v Speaker 2>would you like to do it? And I was like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>because Ultimate Tag it's the fastest show on television. It's

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<v Speaker 2>got a sport kind of underlying it with the gameplay

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<v Speaker 2>side of it, but also the eliteness and the athleticism

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<v Speaker 2>I really really bought in too. So yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 2>feel so comfortable to be able to apply my skill

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<v Speaker 2>set that I built up as a sports broadcaster and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of branch out into entertainment. So yes, there's been

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of me and you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>writing the coattails of Sonya, particularly on Holy Molly's been

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<v Speaker 2>a blessing.

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<v Speaker 1>Did Krueger give you any tips on hosting every show

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<v Speaker 1>on Channel seven?

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<v Speaker 2>Sonya and I have come completely full circle because I

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<v Speaker 2>was on the first series of Dancing with the Stars

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<v Speaker 2>and it was like a completely planet aligned moment where

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<v Speaker 2>I had just pulled out of the Olympic Games. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>got this opportunity to do this brand new show, which

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<v Speaker 2>was strange in its concept ballroom dancing with celebrities.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of said no straight away, and my mother

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<v Speaker 2>in law said, hey, do you know what. I was

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<v Speaker 2>leaving in London at the time, and there was a

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<v Speaker 2>show called Strictly Come Dancing, which was basically the same show,

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<v Speaker 2>and she said, I love that show.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got to do it anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, free trip back home in the sunshine in Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll go and do it anyway. Sonya was the original host,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the co hosts with Darryl Summers on the

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<v Speaker 2>first one. So Sonya and I have kind of known

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<v Speaker 2>each other since then and have come full circle. But

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<v Speaker 2>do you know what I do ask her for tips

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<v Speaker 2>and advice, and especially in this industry that she's navigated

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<v Speaker 2>so so well and very attentive when she does talk

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<v Speaker 2>and give me some advice because she knows a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think that you both share something really quite similar,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is that there's an element of being a

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<v Speaker 1>presenter but also still being yourselves, Like there's a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of there's always a bit of yourself left in your presenting,

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<v Speaker 1>which is what I really like about watching you on Telly.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's the same as watching Sonya on Telly. I

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<v Speaker 1>love that element that you bring to it.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate that, I really do.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think having had a career in a sport

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<v Speaker 2>in another part of life, I think that's what I

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<v Speaker 2>learned was you've just got to be honest with people

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of wear you're hard on your sleeve a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. And I think that's all people really want

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<v Speaker 2>is someone it's genuine and is not trying to sugarcoat

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<v Speaker 2>things or be someone else.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, you know, take me out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think anyone that resonates with viewers, whether it's on

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<v Speaker 2>television or listeners on radio, are the ones that are

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<v Speaker 2>just being themselves and being genuine. And you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>can rattle off a whole lot of names, and some

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<v Speaker 2>we love, some are polarizing, but you can't blame them

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<v Speaker 2>for being themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>Because that's exactly what they are.

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<v Speaker 2>So one thing I've definitely learned in this industry is

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<v Speaker 2>that confidence to be yourself comes through experience. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think the more comfortable you are with understanding the business

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<v Speaker 2>that you're in, the more you can show your own character.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like I remember someone saying, make sure

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<v Speaker 2>whenever you write a news story, make sure you put

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<v Speaker 2>it in your own words, because you're going to deliver

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<v Speaker 2>it in the most natural way. So I guess, without

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<v Speaker 2>sort of digressing too far, I think I've been lucky

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<v Speaker 2>enough to have enough experience behind me to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to be myself. And it's taken a long time. I've

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<v Speaker 2>got to be honest. I mean, I've made every mistake

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<v Speaker 2>there is to make Live to Wear, So yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty humbling too.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I think it's what we need to see more of.

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<v Speaker 1>I think more people will return back to Free to

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<v Speaker 1>Wear the more that we see ourselves on screen. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that ultimately is what we see with the

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<v Speaker 1>style of presenting, which is what I'm still always drawn

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<v Speaker 1>to whenever I watch any of your work, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's really important. You know, the days of being

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<v Speaker 1>word perfect and being sort of too perfect, I think

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the reasons why people might turn away

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<v Speaker 1>from watching shows. You know, so I think it's quite powerful.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's funny, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you've kind of experienced at firsthand. And I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really notice this until I lived in London for

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<v Speaker 2>quite some time and Big Brother was huge over there

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<v Speaker 2>for a period through the mid sort of two thousands,

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't fully understand why, aside from the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that you're watching these people, but you kind of feel

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<v Speaker 2>like you're part of their community.

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<v Speaker 3>You kind of feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you're at the dinner table with them, you're sharing

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<v Speaker 2>conversations with them, and I think that that is what

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<v Speaker 2>people want. I think that's what viewers want, is to

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<v Speaker 2>feel like you're part of the journey, not just on

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<v Speaker 2>the outside, but you can kind of feel like you're

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<v Speaker 2>one of them. And definitely I think a vulnerability and

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<v Speaker 2>a relaxed nature of how you present is key to that,

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<v Speaker 2>because otherwise they just do feel like an outsider, like

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<v Speaker 2>they're being spoken to rather than part of the conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think TV needs to be aspirational, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we want to feel like we can be there, that

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<v Speaker 1>we can join the conversational that we're there and we're seen.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why when you're listening to someone be interviewed, you're

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<v Speaker 2>screaming at the interviewer to ask this or ask that,

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<v Speaker 2>or you respond to the to the question, or so

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<v Speaker 2>often you will have someone being interviewed going, oh, what

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<v Speaker 2>a great question. And it's it's exactly that people want

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<v Speaker 2>to feel like they're in control.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent. Now I need to ask you about

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<v Speaker 1>this because Ultimate Tag we're just on the verge of

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<v Speaker 1>it dropped, and there's so many people wanting to know

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<v Speaker 1>how it's all going to work because in a way

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<v Speaker 1>we think it's Tiggy like what we all played at school,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like, you know, it's the childhood game, but

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's all ultimately a bit like it's on steroids.

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<v Speaker 1>How is this all going to work beyond how we

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<v Speaker 1>think and remember what Tiggy is like as a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>how is this going to work for adults?

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<v Speaker 2>Gin know what, in its simplest way, it is that game,

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<v Speaker 2>And you're absolutely right. What we've done is we've amped

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<v Speaker 2>it up. We've taken it to the absolute extreme, and

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<v Speaker 2>Ultimate Tag is the perfect name for it. But we

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<v Speaker 2>have professional taggers. So the pro tagers are the most

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<v Speaker 2>elite athletic, from sporting backgrounds, from parkol backgrounds, dance fighting,

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<v Speaker 2>you name it. They have an unbelievable experience to navigate

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<v Speaker 2>these courses, these ultimate tag courses. Then what happens is

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<v Speaker 2>you have the players, and the players are the ones

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<v Speaker 2>that have to stay away. So pro taggers are in

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<v Speaker 2>or they're it, I guess you would say. And then

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<v Speaker 2>the players are the ones that are trying to stay away,

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<v Speaker 2>the ones that are taunting and running in the school

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<v Speaker 2>yard as.

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<v Speaker 3>We did as kids.

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<v Speaker 2>But the really interesting thing here is that the players

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<v Speaker 2>themselves too are very athletic and have a diverse backgrounds

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<v Speaker 2>behind them. We've got olympians, we've got international level gymnasts,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got concretors, we've got tradees, we've got bank managers,

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<v Speaker 2>you name it. There is this vast array of people,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think the great thing and the resonance that

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<v Speaker 2>we have here is that everyone's represented. So everyone that

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<v Speaker 2>played tag or tip can identify with someone in their backstory.

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<v Speaker 2>But then also they're very good at what they do

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<v Speaker 2>as well. So out on the course you have a

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<v Speaker 2>number of obstacles and I think one of the really

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<v Speaker 2>great things about Ultimate Tag is that it is completely

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<v Speaker 2>adaptable to how you use those obstacles. So you don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what's coming, you don't know how the player is

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<v Speaker 2>going to use it, you don't know how the pro

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<v Speaker 2>tag is going.

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<v Speaker 3>To use it.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally, and we often say this, blink and you'll miss it,

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<v Speaker 2>But the truth is when a player comes out, they

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what they're going to do, let alone the audience.

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<v Speaker 3>So you'll watch them run this course and.

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<v Speaker 2>They will use a bar or a box in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that you haven't seen and it'll shock you, and

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<v Speaker 2>it'll shock the protager, and then the protag will kind

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<v Speaker 2>of adapt to that and change. And do you know

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<v Speaker 2>who I felt most sorry for in this whole production

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<v Speaker 2>with the cameramen, because they are the ones trying to

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<v Speaker 2>keep an eye on our players and protagers, and you

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<v Speaker 2>can imagine, like.

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<v Speaker 3>There was no rhyme or reason to it.

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<v Speaker 2>The ones that impress the most in regards to the

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<v Speaker 2>players and the protagers too were the ones that use

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<v Speaker 2>the course in the most unorthodox way. And trust me,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll blow your mind some of the stuff that these

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<v Speaker 2>guys can do. And I say that having lined up

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<v Speaker 2>against some of the most supremely elite athletes in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>The game you loved as kids, Hi Gay is now

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<v Speaker 2>the fastest show on the planet.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's go out.

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<v Speaker 3>Every day.

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<v Speaker 4>Aussies will take on these superhuman athletes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's safe to say that I'm nervous.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like you're a little baby and a t Rex

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<v Speaker 2>is behind you, just running after you.

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<v Speaker 3>Three he.

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<v Speaker 4>With one hundred thousand dollars on the.

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<v Speaker 3>Line, one hundred k it would be life changing.

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<v Speaker 4>Each new course is more daunting commission than the last.

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<v Speaker 3>Five foot four and you're asking me to jump up a.

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<v Speaker 4>Three meter wall, bro, They'll be highs and low.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, could get a medic you telling me.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like nothing you've ever seen before, the believable, and

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<v Speaker 4>there's only one rule. Who will have what it takes.

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<v Speaker 3>This is outstanding stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>To be crowned the champion.

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<v Speaker 3>Starts something much seven.

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<v Speaker 2>The other simplest way to describe it. We have taken

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<v Speaker 2>an action movie, all of those chase scenes that you've

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<v Speaker 2>seen down back alleys, overbuilding tops, all of those things

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<v Speaker 2>that you kind of think of from an action movie,

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<v Speaker 2>and we brought it to life.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you get to try any of these courses.

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<v Speaker 3>I so desperately wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, every time i'd get on a box or

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<v Speaker 2>a bar or you know, they've all got names, the

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<v Speaker 2>junction or the wedge. Every time I would get on

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<v Speaker 2>one of the obstacles, the EP would get in my

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<v Speaker 2>ear and say.

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<v Speaker 3>Get down, get Servo off there. We can't afford for

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<v Speaker 3>him to get injured. We can't slow production down. He

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<v Speaker 3>can't get hurt. So I was like, come on, I

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<v Speaker 3>just want to have one go, Just let me jump

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<v Speaker 3>off something, just once.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did sneak up on a couple of times,

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<v Speaker 2>but no, I didn't run it in its most glorious way,

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<v Speaker 2>which it's meant to be.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to annoy killing. You want to come

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<v Speaker 1>back for series two.

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<v Speaker 2>Killy was so hilarious. It was so good having her

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<v Speaker 2>in my She was so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>For people who are listening to this, that's the executive

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<v Speaker 1>producer of Ultimate Tag, a great woman, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>she's going on to do the next series of Survivors.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe that'll be the next thing down the line.

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<v Speaker 1>She'll call you up and ask you to go and

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<v Speaker 1>do that show where you would be allowed to do

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<v Speaker 1>all the stunts. Have they ever asked you to do Survivor?

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<v Speaker 3>They have, Yeah, in the past.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been niced a few times and I've been kind

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<v Speaker 2>of contracted to a network, so I mean, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean Survivor would be.

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<v Speaker 3>Would be fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's a huge investment of time and you've

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<v Speaker 2>really got to You've got to want to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got to got a camp outside and have minimal

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<v Speaker 2>amounts to eat. And Matt Rodgers was on Holy Moly

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<v Speaker 2>Celebrity and he's.

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<v Speaker 3>What did they call him, the Godfather? I think it

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<v Speaker 3>was the Godfather of Survivor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's I mean, I'd love to have that physical challenge.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to really test myself in that way. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>similar to sas as well on Channel seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's the third series. Have they asked you to

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<v Speaker 1>do ESAs?

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, no, and I have had I've had a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of advice from those.

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<v Speaker 3>That have done it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's tough.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's real.

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<v Speaker 2>It's real, and I think that's the thing that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of set the tone for it.

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<v Speaker 3>It is no mucking around. They only get what.

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<v Speaker 2>They get and they have to do the challenges and yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's tough, So yeah, I'd have to think about that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting back into Ultimate Tag, you know, you saw so

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<v Speaker 1>many of these people go through. I mean you saw

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<v Speaker 1>all the players going in there. They all had fairly

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<v Speaker 1>unusual names. Did you have anyone in your mind that's

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<v Speaker 1>stuck out. I was reading all of the press releases

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<v Speaker 1>today and reading all the different players that were there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought Hollywood was an interesting one. He was

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<v Speaker 1>as a little boy, as a baby, he played like

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<v Speaker 1>a significant role on Home in Away for like five years,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you know, now he's an adult and he's

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<v Speaker 1>named Hollywood on this show and taking part in the

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<v Speaker 1>challenge for you. Did you have a memorable player that

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<v Speaker 1>stays in your mind?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a few. There's definitely a few players that

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<v Speaker 2>stood out to me. There was one girl called Rebecca

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<v Speaker 2>Bennett who I kind of had an affiliation.

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<v Speaker 3>With because she's a track and field athlete.

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<v Speaker 2>She's actually a very very talented four hundred meter runner,

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<v Speaker 2>and without doubt, you'll see her, and she's already done

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<v Speaker 2>so in the youth level, but you'll see her where

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<v Speaker 2>the Green and Gold. She's that good an athlete and

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<v Speaker 2>she's a career for a girl with cerebral palsy, and

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<v Speaker 2>her backstory is just so stunning and so beautiful and

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<v Speaker 2>so emotional. I won't give anything away, but it'll lift

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<v Speaker 2>you up and break your heart.

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<v Speaker 3>Her story it is, it's just unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we want to see. They're the good stories.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you've been around, you know talking about athletes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because you've been around for so long in

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<v Speaker 1>a massive icon in the sporting world. Can we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the highs and lows of being an athlete? How

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<v Speaker 1>did you find yourself in this second career, Because I

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<v Speaker 1>guess there's a lot of people out there that look

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<v Speaker 1>up to you and have probably given the all into sport,

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<v Speaker 1>and then and then thinking about this second career, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what advice do you have for them to see that

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<v Speaker 1>there's more outside of their sport.

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<v Speaker 2>There's definitely two key things that I learned from my

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<v Speaker 2>athletic career that I've taken into TV. The first one is,

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<v Speaker 2>and I touched on this is confidence and an experience.

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<v Speaker 2>And confidence comes from understanding the industry. And the only

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<v Speaker 2>way to understand the industry is to do the work.

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<v Speaker 2>So you've really got to work hard at understanding I

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<v Speaker 2>guess the audience that you're trying to talk to, the

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<v Speaker 2>work you may be researching athletes for the coverage that

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<v Speaker 2>you're working on, for an interview that you're about to do,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is. So preparation and experience leads to confidence

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<v Speaker 2>without a doubt, and that's definitely something that I learned

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<v Speaker 2>in my career. The other thing, and I often get

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<v Speaker 2>asked this from either athletes or footy players. Moving from

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<v Speaker 2>how do I get into TV? My best advice is this,

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<v Speaker 2>your athletic career or your professional career before television or

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<v Speaker 2>before anything else, is a foot in the door, and

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<v Speaker 2>you still have to learn this industry equally to that

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<v Speaker 2>person that is grinding their way through it at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time.

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<v Speaker 3>And for two reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>One, just because you can do something in one particular

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<v Speaker 2>industry and it's built a profile for you doesn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>mean that you're going to be able to do that

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<v Speaker 2>as competently in the next one. And Two, the work

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<v Speaker 2>you do and the willingness to understand the business and

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<v Speaker 2>to put the work in will grow your own credibility

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<v Speaker 2>in own respect, and I think that is hugely important,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in television. So my advice to them is go

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<v Speaker 2>to a newsroom somewhere because in a newsroom you've got

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<v Speaker 2>to you've got to write, you've got to edit, you've

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<v Speaker 2>got to have a news now, so an understanding what

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<v Speaker 2>the actual story is. And then in the background you

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to present and you've got to articulate what

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<v Speaker 2>you're trying to say. So you do all elements, and

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<v Speaker 2>you do it under a huge amount of pressure often

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<v Speaker 2>and also too, it's usually a twenty four hour thing,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can go in there at any time and

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<v Speaker 2>sit in an edit suite with your editors and understand

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<v Speaker 2>how a story gets put together and understand how writing works,

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<v Speaker 2>and you get to see it from the very start,

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<v Speaker 2>from scratch, you know, it's just a slug in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Rundown right through to going to air.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's my advice from you know, transitioning into

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<v Speaker 2>TV definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess the message then for a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people as well as to just immerse themselves into another

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<v Speaker 1>universe the way that they have, because you know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the harder things. You know, do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that some of the sporting clubs and our sport do

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<v Speaker 1>we need to work harder on assimilating people back into

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<v Speaker 1>the real world after their careers have sort of come

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<v Speaker 1>to an end, you know, stepping away from the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of progressing into it a television career. But you know

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<v Speaker 1>just what happens to them next, you know, I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a really good point, and I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of I use the metaphor as climbing Everest, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to bore you with philosophy, but the

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<v Speaker 2>way I have best understood it is your athletic career

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<v Speaker 2>is like climbing Everest. And it's a great metaphor to

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<v Speaker 2>use because we often use it. Start at the base

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<v Speaker 2>and try and climb to the pin. The only issue

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<v Speaker 2>is when you actually do climb to Everest. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>pack your bag just for the ascent. You pack your

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<v Speaker 2>bag and all your preparation for coming back down as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And usually when you claim Mount Everest. In real life,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're coming back down is when all the shit

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<v Speaker 2>hits the fans. So if you've got all the right

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<v Speaker 2>equipment and extra tanks of oxygen and the right people

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<v Speaker 2>guiding you, then you'll come down safely. The biggest issue

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<v Speaker 2>for an athlete is often when you start at zero

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<v Speaker 2>on your ascent. You've got people around you. You've got

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<v Speaker 2>an agent wanting to be your friend. You've got your coach,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got your manager, you've got your your physio, you've

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<v Speaker 2>got your dietitian, you've got friends and family, you've got

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<v Speaker 2>your psychologists, You've got everyone behind you, and they're pushing

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<v Speaker 2>you to go up.

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<v Speaker 3>This mountain, up this hill, to get to that pinnacle.

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<v Speaker 3>And let's say a gold medal is your pinnacle.

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<v Speaker 2>At the Olympic Games, I didn't reach that, but I

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<v Speaker 2>got a World Championship medal at Comwealth Games medal, so

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't traverse all the way to the absolute pinnacle.

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<v Speaker 2>But ironically, I still have to come back down because

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<v Speaker 2>I've made that journey. I've started that journey. When you

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<v Speaker 2>get to the top, you start to realize, hang on,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no manager anymore. There's no well, rarely there's a manager,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no physio, there's no coach. All of these people

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<v Speaker 2>have kind of disappeared. And then you're staring down this hill,

0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:21.320
<v Speaker 2>this mountain, and it becomes overwhelming, it becomes really hard.

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<v Speaker 2>So unless you have the right amount of people to

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<v Speaker 2>help you down. And one thing, and this is and

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<v Speaker 2>I often say this to school kids particularly. The one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that will band your team together is humility and gratitude,

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<v Speaker 2>because if you have that on the way up, they

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<v Speaker 2>will hopefully be there on the way back down. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you treat them like crap on the way up,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to get back down somehow. I'll use Michael

0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Phelps as a great example of someone that just strapped

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<v Speaker 2>on a parachute and jumped off the pinnacle.

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<v Speaker 3>After Beijing, he.

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<v Speaker 2>Retired and he had a DUI, he got caught taking drugs,

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<v Speaker 2>He had suicidal tendency is depression because you just jumped

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<v Speaker 2>off the top. At the most success anyway, he decided

0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:07.199
<v Speaker 2>to go back up the mountain. He went to the

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<v Speaker 2>London Olympic Games, won a few more medals. By that stage,

0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:13.439
<v Speaker 2>he had a wife, he had a kid, he had

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<v Speaker 2>a business that he had started, and then all of

0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:18.400
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, that journey off the mountain became a lot

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<v Speaker 2>easier for him. So that's kind of my metaphor, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think if you can get the right team and

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<v Speaker 2>you have all of that humility and gratitude on the

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<v Speaker 2>way up, often you'll you'll carry that back down.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh one hundred percent. I think that's the message there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think for young people out there that might

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<v Speaker 1>stumble across this podcast, I think that's really powerful. And

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<v Speaker 1>kudos to you as well going out to those schools

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<v Speaker 1>and talking to young people so that they're mentally prepared

0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.080
<v Speaker 1>you for the journey up the hill, but certainly the

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<v Speaker 1>journey down. You know, you said you were excited about

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<v Speaker 1>the interesting blend of entertainment and sport with some of

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<v Speaker 1>these shows that you've just been working on. Do you

0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:54.480
<v Speaker 1>think that this will be an interesting year for sport

0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.359
<v Speaker 1>post COVID where after COVID last year, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>sports now sort of under a very different state and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, obviously not out the other side of COVID,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think the future of sport looks like

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<v Speaker 1>on Australian television.

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<v Speaker 3>It was really interesting, wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought sport particularly adapted and transitioned through that COVID period,

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<v Speaker 2>probably better than any other industry, and I think it

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<v Speaker 2>showed the value of what it means to have sport

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<v Speaker 2>on television, especially for you know, sport being played in

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<v Speaker 2>any capacity for Australians. You know, you don't necessarily need

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<v Speaker 2>to be a huge fan, but we love the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of it. We love that, you know, we have these

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<v Speaker 2>people taking part in our national pastime, which is often sport.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think they adapted so well in the immediate

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<v Speaker 2>reaction to COVID, and I think now that they've had

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<v Speaker 2>more time to think about how to plan going forward,

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Do it even better.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the great thing is too it really has

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<v Speaker 2>shocked their system in understanding how they can be more

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<v Speaker 2>efficient in running their business side of sport and also

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<v Speaker 2>seeing the core values of what they offer, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and what those things are. And I think that's like anyone,

0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:03.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, anyone that got locked down understands how important

0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:06.480
<v Speaker 2>family is, how important connections are, how important.

0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:10.720
<v Speaker 3>Relationships are, and prioritizing those things. It's the same for sport.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they'll really understand, or they've been given an

0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:16.719
<v Speaker 2>indication of what the real value is of their sport.

0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:20.480
<v Speaker 2>And it could be rugby league, AFL, you know, soccer football,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is. I think it's been a hugely beneficial thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been heartbreaking for Olympic sport. I think the Olympians

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<v Speaker 2>have probably suffered the most because they had their endgame,

0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:34.280
<v Speaker 2>their pinnacle of the Mountain moved on them for twelve

0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:36.760
<v Speaker 2>months and some of them had to retire, some of

0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:38.560
<v Speaker 2>them had jobs to go to, some of them had

0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:40.600
<v Speaker 2>studies to finish off, some of them didn't have the

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<v Speaker 2>finances to keep going.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's been really hard for them.

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<v Speaker 2>But hopefully, and I think you talk about what's coming

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<v Speaker 2>up this year in regards to sport, seven's got the Olympics,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it's going to be a huge thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's probably not going to be exactly what we've seen in.

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<v Speaker 2>The past, the Olympic Games, but it'll be huge for

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<v Speaker 2>the world to be able to put on an event

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<v Speaker 2>that can hopefully embrace so so many nations that have

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<v Speaker 2>been affected by COVID.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, I think it's going to be

0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:10.760
<v Speaker 1>really interesting to see it evolved. And it's one thing

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<v Speaker 1>for sure is that we're certainly not going to take

0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:14.680
<v Speaker 1>it for granted. You think about what it's like being

0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:17.680
<v Speaker 1>an Australian and so many people map their year at

0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:20.080
<v Speaker 1>around their sport, you know, and that was really hard

0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 1>not to see that. I think sport plays such a

0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:24.520
<v Speaker 1>pivotal role for mental health here in Australia. I think

0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:27.320
<v Speaker 1>it's so powerful to have it on screen and allow

0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:29.720
<v Speaker 1>people to connect to that calendar without it. It was

0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:31.840
<v Speaker 1>really quite stressful. I don't know if you saw this,

0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:35.600
<v Speaker 1>but last week goggle Box were talking about you. Did

0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:37.359
<v Speaker 1>you see what they were talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw the quote, Yeah, I did.

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<v Speaker 1>Does it get to it?

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<v Speaker 3>It will forever Ben, it will forever haunt me, I

0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:47.159
<v Speaker 3>you know. And it's funny. You know. I had a

0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:49.120
<v Speaker 3>radio interview a couple of weeks back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as we're doing the publicity trail for Holly Moly,

0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:56.760
<v Speaker 2>and a producer called me from the radio station and said, now,

0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:58.960
<v Speaker 2>the boys want to ask you about this. I've said

0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:01.920
<v Speaker 2>they can't do it, but are you happy talking about

0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:04.200
<v Speaker 2>your licres suit and you.

0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:05.560
<v Speaker 1>Know and the bits and pieces?

0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:06.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:09.679
<v Speaker 2>I have to be comfortable with it. I don't have

0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:12.440
<v Speaker 2>any choice. It is what it is. It was very

0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:17.200
<v Speaker 2>funny though, hearing the people on goggle Box going straight

0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:17.640
<v Speaker 2>for that.

0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:21.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, it's Matt Svington. Is that Olympic runner?

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:25.840
<v Speaker 3>When he wore his shorts, you could see everything.

0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, these whole family jewels went flip flop flip. Everyone

0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:35.480
<v Speaker 2>watched the ideas Hello look at them, Oh damn. As

0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:38.800
<v Speaker 2>part of kind of dissecting the show. I thought that

0:25:38.880 --> 0:25:41.600
<v Speaker 2>was quite interesting. But anyway, yeah, look, you know, it

0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:43.280
<v Speaker 2>is what it is. It is what it is. It's

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<v Speaker 2>in my past. Somehow it put me on the map

0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 2>and I just.

0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:48.399
<v Speaker 3>Have to live with it.

0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess people have been put on the map

0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:52.879
<v Speaker 1>for worse, But I think that the strange thing about

0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 1>it for me is the fact, you know, it comes

0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:57.800
<v Speaker 1>up every time. And when I saw it, I was like, oh,

0:25:57.880 --> 0:25:59.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, obviously i'm doing the research. I'm talking to

0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:01.800
<v Speaker 1>you today, so you know, I'm reading all the articles

0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 1>that are out there, and I saw it there and

0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:05.920
<v Speaker 1>I just thought, oh, this is such a strange, such

0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:08.960
<v Speaker 1>a strange thing to be known for, to have that

0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:11.080
<v Speaker 1>come back around. And I actually said it to my

0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:13.280
<v Speaker 1>partner and he knew who you were straight away because

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:15.040
<v Speaker 1>of that, and I was like, it is funny though,

0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Like I mean, I was on a series of Big

0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Brother and I won it, and people always would go

0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:21.760
<v Speaker 1>back to that moment, and it felt like I was

0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:25.000
<v Speaker 1>being slowly reduced to this moment, and I just felt like,

0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:27.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, there is so much more and it is

0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:29.800
<v Speaker 1>hard to sometimes get over those moments that stay in

0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 1>the Zecheist of you know, how people remember you.

0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, without a doubt, But then you've also got to

0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:39.240
<v Speaker 2>consider that if you can, if you can capture them

0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:44.199
<v Speaker 2>in any moment, I think it's an amazing thing. I

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:47.159
<v Speaker 2>don't feel bad about it because I was wearing you know,

0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:49.880
<v Speaker 2>a green and gold like a suit, running for Australia

0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:52.600
<v Speaker 2>and doing a good job of it at that time.

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 2>So for me, it was more about I was going

0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:58.479
<v Speaker 2>to be out there anyway representing my country and it

0:26:58.520 --> 0:27:01.960
<v Speaker 2>was important that that I did that and it gained

0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:06.639
<v Speaker 2>me attention. But also kind of parallel to that was

0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:08.720
<v Speaker 2>an understanding of who I was and that I was

0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 2>an athlete, and you know, all of that came along

0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:11.280
<v Speaker 2>with it too.

0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:14.240
<v Speaker 3>And similarly to you, I mean, you know, people will

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:14.640
<v Speaker 3>know you.

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:17.160
<v Speaker 2>As the winner a big brother, but they'll also understand

0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:20.400
<v Speaker 2>that you have now built credibility in what else you're doing.

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:22.600
<v Speaker 3>And again, you know, I just touched on it before.

0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:24.840
<v Speaker 2>It's a foot in the door no matter how you

0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:27.879
<v Speaker 2>look at it, and if you can use it ahead

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:30.159
<v Speaker 2>of the game, then you know it is what it is.

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you probably have some understanding of that. Yeah,

0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a good way to put it and

0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:36.320
<v Speaker 1>you go like, that's the foot in the door, and

0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:39.120
<v Speaker 1>now we move on, and then you look for that credibility,

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:42.960
<v Speaker 1>which I think is what we all have to do. Lastly,

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 1>I was going to ask, and I ask every this

0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:47.960
<v Speaker 1>to everybody about a funny story from behind the scenes

0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:50.560
<v Speaker 1>of the show that we're talking about. Is there any

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:53.159
<v Speaker 1>funny story from behind the scenes of Ultimate tag that

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:54.000
<v Speaker 1>you're willing to share?

0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:57.360
<v Speaker 3>What it did feel like behind the scenes?

0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Was it was like being on like being on a

0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 2>track and field team again, or you know, in the

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:06.719
<v Speaker 2>dressing rooms of your footy team, because you know, the

0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:10.840
<v Speaker 2>pro Taggers were roaming around in their robes and you know,

0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:14.200
<v Speaker 2>having half done makeup, and you know, like they were

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:18.240
<v Speaker 2>in some very odd and strange outfits. Abby and I

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:21.480
<v Speaker 2>unfortunately had to wear the same stuff for majority of

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 2>the show as continuity sort of dictates for us.

0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:27.840
<v Speaker 1>But were you ever jealous of the outfits? Did you

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:29.199
<v Speaker 1>want to put some of those outfits on?

0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Man, these guys are in very very good physical condition.

0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:37.640
<v Speaker 2>It's very humbling, like seeing some of them walk around.

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 2>Arrow potentially has the best male body you've seen. But yeah, no, Yeah,

0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 2>there are definitely moments where and I don't know.

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 3>If you know, they will probably tell you if they've

0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:53.240
<v Speaker 3>had some wardrobe malfunctions.

0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:56.480
<v Speaker 2>But we may have caught out of the corner of

0:28:56.480 --> 0:28:58.720
<v Speaker 2>our eye some little slip.

0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:02.479
<v Speaker 1>Ups in their wardrobe, and you couldn't have offered them

0:29:02.520 --> 0:29:04.800
<v Speaker 1>some advice about some tighter pairs of underpants.

0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Just make sure you wear undies, just you know, unfleax

0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:10.920
<v Speaker 2>of advice.

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:12.880
<v Speaker 3>Get the tightest job strap you can find.

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you're like, the last thing you want is

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 1>to be doing a podcast in the years to come

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 1>and having them harass you about this.

0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:22.640
<v Speaker 3>I did wear undis, by the way, Well there's.

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 1>The clarification on that that'll end up in the Daily Mail,

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 1>the clarification finally, but you were wearing underpants. Well, all

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:30.720
<v Speaker 1>I can say to you is this, I hope that

0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 1>they continue to make new television shows that we haven't

0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:36.000
<v Speaker 1>seen before, thinking outside the box. You know, we don't

0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 1>necessarily need to make things too outrageous. It can be

0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:42.360
<v Speaker 1>as simple as a game of tag. Congratulations on this show.

0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:45.240
<v Speaker 1>I cannot wait to see Australia fall in love with it.

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 1>And I just appreciate your honesty and your cana today

0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 1>as always, so thanks so much for your time.

0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 3>Awesome stuff. Thanks Ben. Really appreciate having a chat. Thanks

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<v Speaker 3>to letter