WEBVTT - Skye Wheatley's Controversial Baby Name, Twins Who Share a Boyfriend & Cracking the Code On Celeb Spellcheck 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.160 This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:06.680 exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:10.560 Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:15.720 identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:20.640 all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women. 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:26.960 That is so fatch. Thank you, Happy Friday, everyone, Welcome 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:29.760 back to another episode of Outspoken. We wanted to start 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:33.040 today's episode with a really funny story about our dat Well. 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.720 It all started when one of our og listeners shared 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:39.280 an instant story of himself reciting our intro. Well, mime 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:41.680 into the intro. Really, A few people have been doing 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:43.159 that now and I really like it. Maybe it's going 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:47.960 to be like a new TikTok joint. Anyway, I digress anyway, 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.920 And so we re shared it and someone wrote in saying, 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:53.200 oh my gosh, that's so lovely. Is that your dad? 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:55.600 It's so nice that he's supporting you in that way. 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.600 This particularly cracked me up because last family dinner, we 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:00.560 had a bit of a quiz with our dad because 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:02.520 we always have this joke that he doesn't really know 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:04.920 anything that's going on. In our lives, and we asked 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:07.120 him what the name of our podcast was, and he 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:11.160 actually couldn't answer it. So we decided this family dinner 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:13.560 to hit record and see if he had done some 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.520 research during the week and had found out what his 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.080 daughter's podcast was called. So this is what he had 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:22.240 to say, Dad, So what's the name of our podcast? 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:30.520 He doesn't know? It starts with an oh, both. I 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:32.479 think Dad's just one father of the year. They're being 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:34.679 able to remember the name. Do you think Mum was 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.039 like trying to mouth it to him and we weren't watching. 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:39.080 I think that it's kind of good that mum and 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.840 dad balance each other out because Mum is like our 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.440 biggest supporter with stuff like this, and then you know, 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:46.960 Dad keeps us grounded by not even knowing the name 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:50.480 of it. Yeah, it's pretty funny. We're talking about our dad. 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:54.040 He has sent in a social dilemma. Actually, I'm just joking. 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:56.680 He doesn't even know that we do this, but we 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.440 have based a social dilemma on his behavior. So currently 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.720 he is having a few disputes in his street and 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.520 it seems like a very Today Tonight story. But fortunately 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.880 that show's not around anymore. It has all started because 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:13.480 one of the neighbors has decided to park their car 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:16.560 out the front of our dad's house. And as a 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:20.880 retired gentleman, this is his biggest concern in life at 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:22.480 the moment. And can we just set the scene if 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:25.240 anyone's in Adelaide and they follow shit Adelaide they recently 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.840 put up this picture of a mister men book and 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:30.280 they made it mister Mitcham, which is quite a nice 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:33.799 suburb in Adelaide, and Dad is the spitting image of 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:35.240 mister Mitchell. We'll have to put it up on the 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:38.440 instera story. Yes, so mister Mitcham has a mustache, he 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:41.440 also complains to the council a lot, and he is retired, 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:43.839 so it literally ticks all the boxes for our dad. 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:46.000 The only issue is he's holding prune juice where I 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.600 think he should be holding cigarettes. If you done a coffee, 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:51.040 I feel like a lot of people listening this could 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.720 also be their father. Yeah, so let's get into the 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.840 crux of what happened. As I said, his neighbor across 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.240 the road has been parking his car in front of 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:01.640 our father's house. So now it's quite funny because Dad 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.600 literally has a garage to park in and SODA's mum, 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:07.120 so it doesn't really affect him, but it does affect 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:09.200 him on a Wednesday night when we come over for death, 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:10.760 so it affects him one day out of the week. 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:14.560 So this all culminated in a rather explosive exchange the 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:17.560 other night when Dad was out the front having a 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:21.400 cigarette and his neighbor got out of the car out 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:24.600 the front of Dad's house and Dad politely, apparently politely 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.720 said excuse me, could you please stop parking in front 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:29.960 of my house. Now, this isn't the first time Dad 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:31.919 has asked the neighbor not to park in front of 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.200 his house, apparently, so that the guy in question is 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.360 a twenty year old guy and his girlfriend also parks 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.440 in front of the house, so Dad has actually asked 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.720 both if they can stop doing it. So it seems 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:43.680 like they're kind of purposely doing and how to piss 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:47.480 him off. So this neighbor apparently got in Dad's face 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:50.280 and told him to get a life and that he 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.480 will continue parking in front of his yard if he 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:55.920 wishes to in front of his house. Well, no, he said, 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:57.840 he's going to park there all the time now. But 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.680 our Dad now purposely gets up very early in the 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.720 morning and parks his car in that spot, and he 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.200 said he's going to chalk out the spot so it's 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:08.240 reserved for him. I actually thought there was going to 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.400 be a punch up because Dad said this guy got 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:12.920 well in his face. I think the F word was 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:15.480 thrown back by our father. Just on Kate's point. Do 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:17.919 you know what the funniest thing is It's obvious that 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:22.480 it's Dad's car because his number plates are h fifty four. Well, 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.000 the best part is Dad was telling everyone at family 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.159 dinner last night, and all our boyfriends come to family 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.200 dinner and he's like, boys, I let him know that 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:31.120 you guys were coming around and we're gonna go knock 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:33.320 on his door. Now, he was only joking because Dad 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.240 actually told us that this guy's like six foot five. 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:38.800 So I think Dad needs to back down. So really, 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.760 this brings up the point. Do you think our dad 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.440 is right in thinking that the neighbor shouldn't be parking 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.960 consistently in front of his house? Should that spot be 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.880 reserved for him and his visitors? See, I told Dad 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.359 this last night. I think that park is free for 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:54.720 anybody to park in of course, it's really annoying if 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:57.679 someone continually parks in your spot if you don't actually 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.760 have a car park in your house. Can I just 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.680 say I think what dad was actually concerned about is 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.279 the fact that someone parking at the front of the 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:09.440 house could create a bottleneck situation, and apparently that's his issue. No, 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:11.400 he said that it's hard for mum to back out 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:12.960 of the driveway. So we're going to put it out 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:16.000 to the community. Should your neighbor consistently park in front 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.720 of your house? And also, has your dad ever done 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:20.840 anything embarrassing like this? So I want to hear what 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:25.120 other people's dads have done. Is Kayle here today not it? 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:27.960 Klee's at home with the opal. I think Venus gave 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:31.000 him the flu. Sky Whitley has sparked debate ever since 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:34.200 giving birth to her second child last Friday. The former 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.440 Big Brother contestant has taken her followers along every step 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:40.360 of the way, culminating in a thirty seven minute birth 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:43.400 log and name reveal on Thursday. So, if it's been 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:45.719 such a wild ride for her followers, how did it 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.440 all start? Well? Sky has just been so open with 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:51.520 her followers from the get go. She went live on 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.360 her Instagram story as soon as she went into labor, 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:57.880 and she's also vlogged the whole experience, and it was 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:01.680 really awkward to watch because at eleven PM she went 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.560 into labor, and we quickly find out on the vlog 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:06.880 and also through the life that Lockie will not be 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:10.000 coming to the hospital with Sky. The tension was palpable 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.200 in these vlogs. You could tell that she was just 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.880 so over and I was kind of annoyed at him. 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.800 I'm like, get off your ass and help your girlfriend. 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.800 But what we quickly find out is it's not actually 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:24.200 Lockie who's made the decision to stay. Sky doesn't want 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:27.039 him to come, and that is because Sky reveals that 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.279 Lockie is making her feel as though she is being 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.920 extra dramatic about her reaction, and this made me feel 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.960 quite sorry for Sky. I mean, yes, maybe on Lockey, 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:38.599 in Locke's defense, he's thinking, oh, well, you're well enough 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:40.320 to film this, or maybe you're putting it on a 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:43.039 little bit, but this woman is in labor or I 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.760 could see where Locke was coming from, because it did 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.719 seem a bit performative to begin with, especially if you 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.000 are choosing to vlog your birth but I could tell 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.279 from someone who watches her vlogs a lot that she 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.080 really was in a lot of pain. I do love 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:59.800 that she started packing her bag when she was going 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.400 in to labor, and the top of the priority list 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:06.279 was bringing one of those fake Polaroid cameras along with it. Oh, 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.200 what I don't get is haven't they been preparing for 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.520 this arrival of their new baby for a while, Like, 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:13.400 I don't get it. You would, wouldn't you have a 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.200 backup plan because she's obviously gone into labor late at 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.120 night and they were kind of fussing about who was 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:21.080 going to look after Forest. I feel like your second child, 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.280 it's always a bit not as planned, you know what 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:25.680 I mean. It's like, oh, whatever, we'll grab the bag. Well, 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.280 you're busy with the first child. So one thing that 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.040 really stood out to me on this flog was the moaning. 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.640 And it's quite funny because I was just watching it 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.240 earlier and I felt a bit uncomfortable because I had 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:39.640 it in fast forward and it sounded quite pornograb. Oh 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:43.280 my gosh. I remember watching Sarah's Day's birth log when 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.680 I was over in Bali and Brandon was literally like, 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:49.080 what the hell, are you watching as a pawn? You know? Well, 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:52.080 Fortunately for Sky, Lockie actually did end up coming to 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:55.320 the hospital, so he acted as the cameraman of this vlog. 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.600 He really did capture everything, and it was really interesting 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.480 because as soon as we all at the hospital with them, 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.720 Sky reveals that after speaking to the midwife, she has 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:08.040 actually been in labor all day. So the midwife said, no, 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:10.480 wonder you're in so much pain. You've actually had half 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:12.640 of the labor already done at home. So she was 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:15.440 well within a right to be act during dramatic wouldn't 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.680 you feel like such a dick if you were Locky? Yeah? 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.760 I love how real and raw Skuy is in this vlog, 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:22.400 Like she spoke about how she felt like she was 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:25.800 gonna pooh her pants and piss herself. You also see 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:29.680 her basically touching her for JJ trying to see how 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.840 dilated she is. There's not a lot you don't see. 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:34.319 I did say to you guys, I felt like a 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:37.199 family video that kind of needed to be edited a 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.800 little bit more. I mean, particularly, I don't think we 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:43.200 need to see the nurse cutting the umbilica before. That 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.360 just grossed me out. I think it was actually Locky 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.080 cutting it. But yeah, that was really revolting. I'd have 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.240 to look away. I have no stomach for that sort 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:52.960 of stuff. I think that thing that's really stood out 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.360 to me about this pregnancy is as an influencer, she 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:00.320 is really trying to capitalize on this milestone. But I 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.480 also think she wants to keep have these moments captured 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:05.800 to keep us memories too. I do think she's been 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.000 really strategic with this whole pregnancy and birth. I mean, 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:12.200 asking people to turn on their notifications to be alerted 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.160 when she goes into labor. She's dragged the whole labor 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.840 blog out for a week. She is a new mum though. Yeah, 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:19.920 but with the carrot at the end that she's going 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.160 to release the name, well, it hasn't been a week. 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.040 It's actually only been four days. So she has taken 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.600 four days to reveal his name. And as we all 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:32.000 now know, his name is Bear west War So this 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:34.679 was revealed at the end of the YouTube video. And 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.640 it's safe to say that followers were quite divided on 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.360 this name. Look, I wasn't surprised. I knew it was 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.720 going to be something unusual. I did think it would 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.200 be on theme and let's be honest, bear on forest 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:48.640 is a pretty big theme. I had to laugh. In 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:52.080 our community group someone said does a bear shit in 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.640 the forest? Like that was the call of the day. Well, 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.400 I actually really liked when someone said when people trying 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:01.079 to guess the name and someone said Gump Horris Scump. Well. 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:04.200 In the YouTube video, she explained the reasoning behind the name. 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.400 She said she really wanted to set the records drait 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.640 on the fact that she was not inspired by the 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:11.960 Kardashians and Kanye West. She said it was actually her 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:15.440 first boyfriend in high school that had the last name Wes, 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.480 and I find it weirder. Yeah, that's perfectly. That makes 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.800 so much more sense. I prefer people thinking I'd copy 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.680 the Kardashians and naming it after my ex. What do 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.520 you guys think about that? It's particularly considering it was 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:29.560 the ex's last name. It's kind of, you know, like 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:34.160 Chloe Kardashian when she married Lamar Odin was Chloe Kardashian Odem. 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.560 It's kind of like adding your ex's last name to 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:38.600 your child. I don't like it at all. I'd be 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.280 really pissed off if my partner was like, oh, actually, yeah, 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.200 after my ex I want to call my baby this. 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.200 What I find even worse is if you break his 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.920 name down, it sounds like a direction. Yeah, Bear West, 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.880 Bear West. Yeah, it's terrible. He should they should have 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.080 gone for Wild. But at least there was no connection 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:58.200 with the exper Northwest now sounds normal. That's of course 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.920 Kim Kardashian and Kanye West daughter. That sounds normal. Now, 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.240 maybe Bear West will. But don't you think baar wild 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:06.959 would also sound weird? Oh? They are all terrible names. Well, 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.520 what did you guys think about Sky's decision to put 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.480 it out to her followers to choose between the two names, 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:16.400 because for me, it really seemed like, again a strategic 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:20.280 social media decision because she didn't actually put a poll 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.320 up on an Instagram story. Instead, she posted a photo 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.320 and got people to comment, and on that photo she 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:29.120 got the most comments she's really ever gotten. So to 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.760 put it into context, the photo where she announced the 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:35.000 arrival of Bear, which was that beautiful photo of her, 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:38.880 only had around two thousand comments. However, they post about 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.280 the middle name had over six thousand comments, so that 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.160 would be really driving a lot of traffic and engagement 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.959 to her. PA. Well, she's obviously incredibly clever. She's obviously 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:48.840 thought about this for a while and thought, what's a 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:52.360 great strategy to get greater engagement to my page, get 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.520 more brand deals. Maybe she's thinking she's got two kids 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.480 now to support. Maybe, or maybe she and Lockie are 0:11:57.520 --> 0:11:59.760 just having a legitimate fight and they've gone, let's put 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.719 it on Instagram, because isn't that the worst thing when 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:05.680 you are so set on a name and your partner's like, nah, well, 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.600 just back to the name Bear. It's actually really interesting 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.600 because it appears to be now a trend of people 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:15.880 normalizing really aggressive animals, if that makes sense, because we're 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.360 having cute animal though no, but we're having the rise 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:21.720 of wolf and fox and now Bear, and it's really 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.120 it's quite fascinating because Bear is actually quite a popular 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:28.040 celebrity name. So Jamie Oliver was the first one. He 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:30.600 used Bear as the middle name for his son Buddy. 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:34.560 We have then had Alicia Silverstone call her son Bear Blue. 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:38.960 Kate Winslet's son is also called Bear Blaze, and Liam 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.199 Payne from One Direction, who I did forget a couple 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:44.000 of weeks ago, his son is also called Bear, and 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.600 we have Bear from X on the beach. You've forgot Ale, Yeah, 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.959 you've forgot Oh fuck, I've forgotten ile again. Oh well, 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.920 it's funny you say that about these aggressive animals because 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:57.400 Reese's NaN's middle name is actually Swan and you don't 0:12:57.480 --> 0:12:59.720 hear a lot of swans around it. Him. No. I 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.400 do feel for Bear though, because I feel like it's 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:06.040 a really cute baby name. But like Reese's Nan, she 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:09.080 doesn't like being called like Swan anymore, Like she gets 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:10.760 called Swanny as a joke. Do you know what, I 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:12.840 could see it being quite like a hot young guy's 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:17.760 names like Bear from That's what I just said, Stephen Bear. Yeah, 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:20.000 what do you guys think? Like, why do you think 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:24.559 that the topic of baby names prompts so much unsolicited opinions? Well, 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:26.280 for me, I feel like this is a bit of 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.679 a branding exercise. I feel like these days with influencers, 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:33.000 if you name them something exotic, you can really like 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.959 look at Sarah's day calling her son Fox. She then 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.439 launched a range of pajamas with foxes on it. It's 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:42.280 very marketable. I mean, if if Sky had just called 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:44.400 her son John, I don't think people would be talking 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.800 about it. But again, it drives a lot of engagement. 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.920 I've read this really interesting article about baby names and 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.360 they interviewed professor Diane Ree from the University of Cambridge, 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.880 and she said that names influence other people's impressions of 0:13:56.960 --> 0:14:00.440 us and can convey implicit messages that on the one 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.960 hand we are clever, cultured, worthy of recognition and respect, 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.800 and on the other hand that we are ignorant, uncultured 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.720 and undeserving of recognition and respect. So I feel like 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.680 a lot of these unusual baby names somewhat fall into 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:14.600 that category. That's why I think a lot of older 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:18.359 people have issues with these names because they can't imagine 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:22.720 a bear wear standing up in Parliament and being taken seriously. 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.600 But they can probably imagine a bear west in like 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.920 a low paying job or well, you could be right, 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.920 But I think these days on the internet, everybody has 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.400 an opinion. No one's going to agree on a child's 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.000 name at all. Yeah, and a lot of people have 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:40.320 had a lot of opinions about Sky this week, and 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:42.560 as I spoke about I do think she has been 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:46.720 very strategic and clever around creating engagement on her social 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:50.640 media accounts. However, some of it has created backlash. Hey, 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:52.760 but you make it sound so sinister, isn't it good? 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.320 Because she is? That is her job. Her social media 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.360 is a job. I'm not being sinister at all, but 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:00.720 I'm saying, with all these extra eyeballs on, because she 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.880 has created so much attention for herself this week around 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:07.040 the birth of Bear, she has been copying a lot 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:10.160 of criticism and I feel like she has been quite 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.800 controversial with a few posts that she's made. So on 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.200 Saturday morning, very early, she posted that her and Bear 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.480 were struggling to get to sleep, so she posted a 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:21.760 photo of herself rolling her eyes, and she spoke about 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:24.840 in the caption, saying how there was another mother that 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.120 she was sharing a room with keeping her awake, and 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.000 her baby was crying and screaming and it was really, 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.200 you know, not great for her. And so Sky actually 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:36.040 copped a lot of criticism for this post, which ended 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.560 up being deleted. Is it because she was mummy shaming? 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:41.240 Is that what that was? This? Yeah, so people thought 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.240 that it was sort of very mean to kind of 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:45.360 call this woman out on a public platform who was 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.040 quite vulnerable in this situation. But did she take a 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.360 photo of the woman? How would anyone know it was her. Well, 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:51.920 I mean the woman could be like, oh my gosh, 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:54.000 I'm next to Sky with lead and she could go 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:55.920 look at it. I mean, Sky has got like six 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:58.600 hundred and seventy eight thousand followers. I do think it 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.960 wasn't right to be commenting on another mum who's just 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.400 given birth. I'm in two minds about it because at 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.080 the same time, Sky has also just given birth, She's 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:12.080 had zero sleep. I could see myself getting very irritated. Well, yeah, 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.000 I agree with you, Sophie. I am really in two 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:16.360 minds about it because it does seem quite an ironic 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:20.400 situation where we're criticizing one new mum for criticizing another 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:22.600 new mum, And it is really important to consider the 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.600 fact that Sky was recovering from birth and is experiencing 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:29.080 a lot of hormonal changes, not to mention sleep deprivation. 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:31.360 But it really did make me reflect back to when 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:34.000 she had Forrest, her first child, and how much she 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:37.440 was struggling, and I was surprised she wasn't more empathetic 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.560 to this new mum. Well, what something else she copped 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.680 a bit of heat for was her photo announcing the 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:47.240 arrival of her son. So she shared a beautiful photo 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:51.080 of herself with bear, but people seem to think that 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:54.960 the photo promoted quite an unrealistic standard for an after 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.960 birth shot because she was glam to the match. She's 0:16:57.960 --> 0:16:59.760 such amazing. I have to say, I hope I look 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:01.680 like that after I give birth. Well, I think that's 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.240 the issue that people think that that's how you should 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.239 look after birth. I mean, her hair looked like it 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.480 was beautifully done. I think she had a bit of 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.360 makeup on. It looked like the photo had been touched up. 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:14.680 I mean, my first reaction was, Wow, she looks good. 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.200 But I really did feel for other mums who don't 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.440 get that amazing photo of themselves. I mean, I feel 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.320 like there is a lot of pressure to get a 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.080 great photo of yourself and your baby, like it's the 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:27.399 first photo you're ever having together. Should we be putting 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:29.440 pressure on mums to do I can tell you already 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.359 I'm gonna look like absolute shit when I've just given 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.960 birth to my future child. There will be no photos 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:38.480 of me being taken whatsoever. That social media photo, maybe 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.439 don't share it on social media. It did make me 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:43.440 think back to when Courtney Kardashian, when all those years ago, 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.600 she gave birth to Mason, and she allowed keeping up 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:48.960 with the Kardashians to film it, and she was like 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:52.040 putting on fake ten and giving herself a shave beforehand. 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.240 I think we've also got to remember with Sky, she 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:56.919 is a very extra and glamorous person, so the photo 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.720 doesn't surprise me. That being said, it would be really 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.600 great to see some influences being a little bit more 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:04.840 real with the imagery they share, because I think we're 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:08.560 also sick of this perfect mum impression that people get 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:12.240 out well. Another controversy that has surrounded Sky this week 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:15.359 is also her decision to promote a weight loss program. 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.359 So on Wednesday, Sky shared a photo of herself in 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:21.080 leggings and a crop top with the caption, my tummy 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:23.880 has gone down so fast just from healthy eating. If 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.119 you're interested in checking it out, I'll leave a swipe 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:28.399 up link. What did you guys think about this? God, 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:32.280 I think it's so dangerous to be promoting weight loss 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:34.439 right after you've given birth. I mean, I'm sorry your 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:36.840 stomach is going down because your baby is no longer 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:39.840 in your stomach. I'm just so sick of this message 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.960 of how quickly women have to bounce back after pregnancy, 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:45.879 just enjoy spending time with your child. I know that 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:48.240 I'm not a mum, so I don't understand it completely, 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.879 But to me, I just think there's so much pressure 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.880 on women these days. Yeah, and I'm all forgiving Sky 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:56.200 the benefit of the doubt with the stories she shared 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.800 on the night of giving birth. However, I feel very 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:02.119 differently about this because to me, it's quite clear that 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:05.000 she made a decision before she actually gave birth to 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:07.280 be a part of promoting these weight loss guys, because 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.840