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Speaker 1: This episode was recorded on gadigal Land. Hi, guys, and
Speaker 1: welcome back to another episode of Life on Cut.
Speaker 2: I'm Laura and I'm Brittany, and I'm back from the
Speaker 2: jungle on Aussie soil in person. Looking at you. Two, well, three, Hello,
Speaker 2: I missed you, guys. We've got Laura, producer, Keiser and John. Oh,
Speaker 2: buta boy, it's.
Speaker 1: Been so long.
Speaker 2: I'm enjoying the roll call. It's been so long. She's back.
Speaker 2: Everybody so long looking great.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what happens with bright and bean diet for
Speaker 1: a month cleans you out.
Speaker 2: Oh you don't even know the half of it, like beans.
Speaker 3: For me, I don't need to know the half of it,
Speaker 3: to be fair, I don't need to I don't need
Speaker 3: to know the consistency.
Speaker 1: I don't need to know all of the details the evacuation. No,
Speaker 1: I'm okay, I'm back. But what I want to say is,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how I feel about it. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I want to be back. Part of
Speaker 1: me wants to be back in the jungle.
Speaker 2: Having an existential crisis.
Speaker 1: Existential, extonential, existential, existential.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it sounded weird. I haven't used big
Speaker 2: words in a long time.
Speaker 1: I feel like in this weird way, it's a bit
Speaker 1: of like Stockholm syndrome.
Speaker 2: And I feel bad saying that.
Speaker 1: But you want to go back to Channel ten, not
Speaker 1: the ten, but back to my yeah, back to my captors.
Speaker 1: I felt like we were literally trapped in the jungle.
Speaker 1: Everything's controlled, like you don't know the time you get fed,
Speaker 1: what you get fed and given. And I loved it.
Speaker 2: I learned to love it.
Speaker 3: Britt and I have barely seen each other, Like today
Speaker 3: is the first time that we've seen each other. Brick
Speaker 3: came back. She went straight to Port McQuary. She's only
Speaker 3: been back for a couple of days. But I am
Speaker 3: at the same time learning about like the intricacies of
Speaker 3: how the jungle works. And I had no idea until
Speaker 3: this morning that you didn't even know the time of day.
Speaker 3: So when you're in there, they keep the time from
Speaker 3: you as a way of just kind of like fucking
Speaker 3: with your headspace.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the purpose is.
Speaker 1: It's obviously a psychological thing, but you have no concept
Speaker 1: of when you wake up, when you go to sleep,
Speaker 1: when you're eating, you know nothing, So you don't know
Speaker 1: if you've had.
Speaker 2: Four hours sleep eight hours sleep, which is.
Speaker 3: Sort of produced a Keisha would not cope with that.
Speaker 3: She's like, I need to know how many Like what's
Speaker 3: my ram? How many hours of deep sleep have I had?
Speaker 2: She's like, I can't go hope.
Speaker 1: But you know what the thing is, and you know
Speaker 1: how people Keisha included, But you know how people have
Speaker 1: their sleep apps and their watches and the first thing
Speaker 1: they do when they wake up is look at like Ben,
Speaker 1: does it right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks to your garment. Yeah. Wait, Keish, what
Speaker 2: have you got? Oh a whoop? Yeah, so a whoop.
Speaker 1: And so he'll wake up in the morning and he'll
Speaker 1: be like, oh great, I had this many hours of
Speaker 1: deep sleep. And I'm like, why do you look at that?
Speaker 1: Because you've had the sleep regardless. Why can't you just
Speaker 1: go off how you feel? Because it's a bit of
Speaker 1: a mind fuck, right, because if you go onto your
Speaker 1: app and it goes, oh, you only got one hour,
Speaker 1: then your set for the day being like I only
Speaker 1: got one hour. When you wake up and you don't
Speaker 1: know the time, you don't know how many hours you slept,
Speaker 1: you go of how you feel.
Speaker 2: No, it's feel good.
Speaker 3: It's because sleep is now a competition, because we compete
Speaker 3: in everything in life, and sleep is part of that,
Speaker 3: and we're all combined now competing for who is the
Speaker 3: best sleeper?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what rem did you get?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I genuinely am scared. Matt woke up
Speaker 3: yesterday and he has it. He's got a garment or
Speaker 3: whatever they call it, and he he woke up and
Speaker 3: he was like, oh, I had three minutes.
Speaker 2: He had three minutes of awake time. That was it.
Speaker 3: So he woke up for three minutes and then the
Speaker 3: rest of it was like a mix of deep sleep
Speaker 3: and ram and all the other things. He was like, oh,
Speaker 3: pretty good. Like eight hours and ten minutes last night.
Speaker 3: So in that time, like in that eight hours and
Speaker 3: ten minutes, whilst we were asleep in the middle of
Speaker 3: the night, Lola gets into our bed, right, so she
Speaker 3: climbs in and gets into bed. I woke him up
Speaker 3: and got him to go and get a bottle of
Speaker 3: water for her.
Speaker 2: So he got up out of it.
Speaker 3: So for the three minutes it was literally the three
Speaker 3: minutes that he woke up, walked out of the bed,
Speaker 3: filled the bottle, up, walked back in bed, handed it
Speaker 3: to her, went straight back to sleep, And I was like, I.
Speaker 2: Have a gold mine on your hands.
Speaker 1: You need to get a whoop that you can wake
Speaker 1: up in the morning and have proof of the difference
Speaker 1: in your night's sleep, and then you use that against him.
Speaker 2: For weize and weaponize that for the rest of the day.
Speaker 1: You're like, hey, you got three minutes. I didn't get
Speaker 1: any sleep, so now you're doing everything.
Speaker 3: I think that that would be the demise of our
Speaker 3: relationship if I actually business business.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a fail on your behalf. There's a there's
Speaker 1: a golden egg opportunity there, and it's okay. Occasionally sometimes
Speaker 1: weapini sleep against your partner, especially if you're not having
Speaker 1: any If you're not having it, yeah, and actually, let's
Speaker 1: be serious, it's not weaponizing it.
Speaker 2: But it's important if he has.
Speaker 1: His data, that you also have your data and he
Speaker 1: needs the facts when you enter an argument.
Speaker 3: If I've learned anything from this podcast, it's that if
Speaker 3: you're entering an argument, know what it is.
Speaker 2: That you're arguing about it. You have your facts ready,
Speaker 2: but this is the problem.
Speaker 3: What happens though, then, is then you start scorekeeping, you
Speaker 3: start tallying it up. You start being like, well, I
Speaker 3: only got this much sleep, so you did this, and
Speaker 3: then that's tip for tat And that's when they're all,
Speaker 3: that's that's fucking bad stuff.
Speaker 2: I had an.
Speaker 1: Argument with Matt where you're so deep in it and
Speaker 1: then you literally say to each other, what do we like?
Speaker 2: What was the argument?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Do you ever get so deep in the tip for
Speaker 1: tattooing that you don't remember what you are arguing?
Speaker 3: Because Matt is so grudgy, he really holds a grudge,
Speaker 3: which is also like he's very good at apologizing, but
Speaker 3: he still holds onto the grudge, so he like he
Speaker 3: knows he will never lose track of an argument because
Speaker 3: he knows what we're arguing about it, because he's like,
Speaker 3: I'm going to use this information later, Yeah you do.
Speaker 1: No, I don't hold a grudge, but I'm I argue
Speaker 1: about really dumb stuff, Like I had an argument with
Speaker 1: Ben last night over the dumbest thing, and I know
Speaker 1: it's because I'm emotional.
Speaker 2: My hormones are through the roof. But shouldn't matter.
Speaker 1: But I've got my period and I haven't seen Ben
Speaker 1: in four months.
Speaker 2: Anyway, we had this done.
Speaker 1: He wants to get a tattoo, and he keeps We
Speaker 1: have very different ideas of what tattoos he should get.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: He should get whatever tattoo he wants. It's his body, No,
Speaker 1: it's our body.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: He runs his tattoos by me, which I think is like,
Speaker 1: He's like, look, if I'm gonna have a giant tattoo,
Speaker 1: my body threast my life, be nice if you liked it.
Speaker 1: And so it's not like I'm saying well, I am
Speaker 1: saying no. Actually that's it. I do say no. But
Speaker 1: he and I like very different things. So we're trying
Speaker 1: to find something and this is on him, not me.
Speaker 1: We're trying to find something that.
Speaker 2: We both like.
Speaker 1: But he likes big, like big dark portraits of stuff,
Speaker 1: and I like very fine line.
Speaker 2: Anyway, so we got to this one tattoo that I've
Speaker 2: convinced him. It's like a very star signing thing.
Speaker 3: He's getting the zodiac on his body.
Speaker 2: What do I get to say?
Speaker 1: Yea, Laura's going to chiy me in on Ben's tattoo,
Speaker 1: but there was this little part in it where you
Speaker 1: could I was like, look, you could leave that blank
Speaker 1: for now, and it's like very small writing part. I said,
Speaker 1: you could feel it maybe with really important things that
Speaker 1: happen in life, maybe when we get engaged, wink wink,
Speaker 1: wedding date, kids, dates, whatever, like us, Like there's room
Speaker 1: for really nice sentimental things because he's very sentimental.
Speaker 3: And it also works very well because if you're somebody
Speaker 3: forgets dates a lot, you've just got them plaster all
Speaker 3: over your body. Matt's what Marley's birthdate, doesn't ever forget
Speaker 3: it because it's on his arm, hasn't gotten around getting
Speaker 3: lolas yet, always forgets it.
Speaker 2: See the second child.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he needs to get that done before she's old
Speaker 3: enough to realize that he doesn't have it one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, so I thought this was really cute and I
Speaker 1: was rattling all this stuff and then he goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll get the first place we had Nacho's or
Speaker 1: the first place we had and just started like taking
Speaker 1: a pierce of my idea and like writing really dumb
Speaker 1: stuff back, and that was all I cracked it. I
Speaker 1: was like I'm not having this conversation with someone so immature.
Speaker 1: And he was like, Babe, just have a laugh.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I am done with this.
Speaker 1: I was like, you don't care about my feelings, and
Speaker 1: I just went into this whole ridiculous argument and like
Speaker 1: hung up the phone.
Speaker 2: I was like, I can't talk anymore.
Speaker 1: Then I sat on it for about twenty minutes and
Speaker 1: I was like, if I told Laura this, tor wh.
Speaker 3: Yeah truly, But also that makes me think maybe there
Speaker 3: is a reason why you should be back in the jungle.
Speaker 3: I think though, brit I don't think you realize how
Speaker 3: controversial it is to have a say in your partner's tattoos.
Speaker 2: No, I know, we had a conversation on the podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's such an It's nice that he
Speaker 3: is conscious enough and cares enough to ask you, But like,
Speaker 3: I kind of think that you don't really get a
Speaker 3: say in your partner's tatoos.
Speaker 2: If they want to go on get something, you kind
Speaker 2: of just have to be okay with it. Yes see,
Speaker 2: I disagree.
Speaker 3: Matt's getting a stupid He's getting a turtle tattooed on
Speaker 3: him because he lost a bet.
Speaker 2: He lost a fucking running race.
Speaker 3: Made a bet with our brother in law and he
Speaker 3: lost it, and now he has to go and get
Speaker 3: a tattoo of a turtle on his ass.
Speaker 2: That's running. Oh my god, that is so funny. At
Speaker 2: least it's on him. But I have no say, and
Speaker 2: I don't care. I couldn't care if but that's on
Speaker 2: his butt.
Speaker 1: No one sees that ever, but Ben's see this whole
Speaker 1: body is going to be covered like he's got legs
Speaker 1: and arms and whatever else.
Speaker 2: The only tatto I've approved so far was the Bee
Speaker 2: for Brittany.
Speaker 3: If you're the problem, you are well look, I mean,
Speaker 3: as you guys know, if you've been listening to the
Speaker 3: podcast last couple of weeks, producer keyche It has been
Speaker 3: filling in for brit you have done an incredible job.
Speaker 3: If you are, we love you. You're fucking amazing. I
Speaker 3: have loved doing records with you. We've missed you so much,
Speaker 3: and there's been so much around.
Speaker 2: I mean, we all watched I'm not gonna speak for
Speaker 2: everyone listening to POT.
Speaker 3: I watched it so many, so many of us watched
Speaker 3: sliber to get me out of here. I so deeply
Speaker 3: enjoyed the season, not just because you were on it.
Speaker 2: But I think like.
Speaker 3: Sky and Callum were absolutely fucking hilarious. I really enjoyed
Speaker 3: getting to know Tristan better. Like I think that everybody
Speaker 3: they chose on this season was a really great choice.
Speaker 2: And I think the casting was brilliant and that was
Speaker 2: reflected on the inside too.
Speaker 1: It was amazing their cast because you know, obviously a
Speaker 1: film twenty four hours a day, you guys get to
Speaker 1: see an hour and a half. The cast was amazing.
Speaker 1: Everyone was incredible. It was just like such a wholesome
Speaker 1: group of people.
Speaker 3: To be fair, it felt like that show was not
Speaker 3: just an hour and a half.
Speaker 2: It felt like it was the show that never ended.
Speaker 3: Every night, poor Matt because he was like, is this
Speaker 3: going to be my life until Brick gets out? Because
Speaker 3: it's on every night of the week, so every night
Speaker 3: we're sitting there watching it. I'm pretty sure it went
Speaker 3: for like two hours some nights, did it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I don't know. It was still hour and a half.
Speaker 3: It was still on at nine o'clock and it started
Speaker 3: at seventeen seventy.
Speaker 1: That's an hour and a half. Oh so I'm sorry
Speaker 1: it dragged on. Where is this ever going to end? Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, but it was brilliant.
Speaker 3: What this episode today is going to be is basically
Speaker 3: a deep dive on all things I'm a celeb, all
Speaker 3: the things that you don't know about it. We put
Speaker 3: a question box out to you guys. You've asked so
Speaker 3: many questions around what does and doesn't happen? And I
Speaker 3: am just in the gray as you are because I
Speaker 3: have no idea and Britain, I haven't had the opportunity
Speaker 3: to have these conversations yet. So it's like a learning
Speaker 3: experience for everybody one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: And I the cast really were incredible, and I know
Speaker 1: one of the big questions is, you know, like, what
Speaker 1: was it actually like behind the scenes where the arguments
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff, And there really wasn't
Speaker 1: the only argument that was had on the whole show
Speaker 1: basically that I was aware of was shown just between
Speaker 1: Candice and Sky, like there really no shit really went down.
Speaker 2: There was a bit of bickering here and there over.
Speaker 1: Like people getting a bit short with people purely because
Speaker 1: you're in this tiny, confined environment and there's like sometimes
Speaker 1: there's too many people in the kitchen helping, too many
Speaker 1: opinions going around, and sometimes people are like I just
Speaker 1: need a second to myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also, I mean when you have that many people who
Speaker 3: all have their own big personalities in ways, you're always
Speaker 3: going to have some sort of like not seeing eye
Speaker 3: to eye. I think there was one little like it
Speaker 3: wasn't a spat, it didn't go into anything, but you
Speaker 3: could feel and it also could be just editing. You
Speaker 3: could feel that kind of animosity that was brewing. And
Speaker 3: that was between Kahn and Denise Drysdale.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seemed like there was.
Speaker 3: Like friction there, but also I think it's generational thing,
Speaker 3: Like it's different people from different walks of life all
Speaker 3: trying to come together and just cohabitate is challenging.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that wasn't even just Khn and Denise, it
Speaker 1: was everyone in Denise. Denise was really hard, really really hard,
Speaker 1: just very short, very blunt, often very rude, didn't really
Speaker 1: want to be there.
Speaker 3: Do you think she realized she was being rude or
Speaker 3: do you think it's just the way which she communicates,
Speaker 3: because that's also different.
Speaker 2: Right, I would hope she didn't realize she was being rude.
Speaker 1: But then sometimes I'm like, surely you have to know,
Speaker 1: Like surely, but she's seventy five, and that was a
Speaker 1: really hard environment for anyone, let alone going in there
Speaker 1: at seventy five, Like, thank.
Speaker 2: God, she didn't do any challenges. She might drop dead.
Speaker 2: I dropped dead, which I don't know what she could
Speaker 2: have done it.
Speaker 1: I know I was like looking at half the challenges
Speaker 1: that people were doing every day would come back and
Speaker 1: we were like, Denise, never could have done that.
Speaker 2: And that's not against Denise.
Speaker 1: It's literally a physicality thing, like you would have got
Speaker 1: knocked out or something.
Speaker 2: But let's get into it. Yeah, okay, all right. Firstly,
Speaker 2: I want to know how you are, Like how do
Speaker 2: you feel?
Speaker 3: I I mean, because there's been a lot happening since
Speaker 3: the show as well, but like from when you went
Speaker 3: in to where you are now it's been almost six weeks,
Speaker 3: Like how are you feeling? How did you feel in there?
Speaker 3: And where is your mental health at now?
Speaker 1: I feel good, but I've had very up and downs,
Speaker 1: to be honest. So it is really hard in there
Speaker 1: because you have a wonderful time and you laugh so
Speaker 1: much and it's it's brilliant. Everyone was great, but you
Speaker 1: have hard times in there for different reasons because you do.
Speaker 2: So much thinking, like you've got nothing else to do.
Speaker 2: In there.
Speaker 1: When we did The Bachelor, I felt like there was
Speaker 1: always something to do, or always something want to talk
Speaker 1: to or.
Speaker 2: Film or go outside to the gym or the other thing.
Speaker 3: At The Bachelor, though, is like, and I don't know
Speaker 3: if you felt like this, brit And obviously it's so
Speaker 3: long ago now, but I was on high alert the
Speaker 3: whole time because I was I was on the defense.
Speaker 3: I was like, how are these people gonna undermine me
Speaker 3: or try and you know, screw my character or make
Speaker 3: me come across as a person that I'm not like.
Speaker 3: I felt like I was so defensive all the time. Yes,
Speaker 3: I felt the same in here. We're in such a
Speaker 3: different point of life. So on The Bachelor, you're all single.
Speaker 1: Obviously some people had kids, but the whole point was
Speaker 1: probably one person on the show had a child, and
Speaker 1: everyone was single because they're looking for a partner. Here
Speaker 1: everyone has partners and families and kids like so there
Speaker 1: was a lot of really wholesome chat and a lot
Speaker 1: of people are really missing their families. And I haven't
Speaker 1: been in an environment twenty four hours a day where
Speaker 1: I'm around that before, and it makes you do so
Speaker 1: much thinking so much introspective, deep, meaningful life thoughts and
Speaker 1: chats that you would never have had, Like we have
Speaker 1: them here surface I don't want to say surface level,
Speaker 1: but we have them here and then we often go
Speaker 1: home and we keep going on with life. But there
Speaker 1: you have them, and then you lay on your bunk
Speaker 1: bed and you just think about that chat for the
Speaker 1: next four hours. Yeah, and a lot of it was
Speaker 1: around like kids and partners, and I always think about
Speaker 1: kids and partner and you know, marriage and stuff that's
Speaker 1: no secret. But in there listening to people like Frankie
Speaker 1: and Ellie, people that were crying, like seeing Frankie cry,
Speaker 1: he was really upsetting there the whole time because he's like,
Speaker 1: I have never known a love like I've known for
Speaker 1: my son and my wife, and he's like, and since
Speaker 1: I've been in here, I realized I don't give them
Speaker 1: enough attention. I'm not there enough for them. I need
Speaker 1: to be a better dad, I need to be a
Speaker 1: better husband.
Speaker 3: I say this, Maybe I'm being too critical, but I
Speaker 3: see that because like that obviously played out on the
Speaker 3: show as well. And my biggest thought when I see
Speaker 3: those sorts of things is like, well, why don't you
Speaker 3: just go home.
Speaker 2: Well that's why I did.
Speaker 3: Go go home to your family if you're feeling that
Speaker 3: overwhelming feeling. But then I also think, oh, like is
Speaker 3: this just your way out, because like I think all
Speaker 3: the contracts you've really been signed for X amount of weeks, Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Frankie was real for sure.
Speaker 1: He struggled there in there the whole time, and he
Speaker 1: had so many big realizations in there about what his
Speaker 1: wife has given up. He's like, I've never had enough,
Speaker 1: and it's the thinking it's there nothing else to do
Speaker 1: in there but think.
Speaker 2: He's like, I've never not had a hundred.
Speaker 1: Things to do, and it's now that I realize I
Speaker 1: want to be better for them. And he wanted to
Speaker 1: go home quite early to them. He was struggling, but
Speaker 1: he's like, I came here for a reason. I don't
Speaker 1: give up. But then it got to the point where
Speaker 1: he's like, I've learned everything I'm going to learn and
Speaker 1: I want to go and implement it now. I want
Speaker 1: to go back to my son and my wife tomorrow.
Speaker 2: And I respected that.
Speaker 3: So in your feelings, when you say that, you spend
Speaker 3: a lot of time thinking like, in what way did
Speaker 3: that change you in what way do you feel like
Speaker 3: you like, what were the things that you were like
Speaker 3: laboring about.
Speaker 2: Well, it comes back to.
Speaker 1: The same thing career and ben basically, and like, when
Speaker 1: am I going to make that decision on having that
Speaker 1: life that I want not to worry?
Speaker 3: I was fighting people on I'm a celebri fucking Instagram
Speaker 3: page because my thing around that is it frustrates me
Speaker 3: to no end. And like for everyone listening, obviously, it's
Speaker 3: probably something that everyone's thought at some point, well, why
Speaker 3: doesn't Bridges go to Scotland? And people message us all
Speaker 3: the time they're like, why don't you just go to
Speaker 3: Scotland and you guys can just do life on cut
Speaker 3: from Scotland And it's like, guys, we've tried. Like if
Speaker 3: it was that easy, brit would be in Scotland right now.
Speaker 3: But running a business doing records in the way that
Speaker 3: we do, the volume of radio, like.
Speaker 2: There's loads of stuff that my career is here.
Speaker 1: And also the people because I get a lot of
Speaker 1: messages too, and it's all comes from a good place,
Speaker 1: but the messages that are like, you know, life is short,
Speaker 1: and it's true. I'm not arguing that life is short.
Speaker 1: Give up work, career is no important, go and be
Speaker 1: with BAM. I love romanticizing the idea of giving everything
Speaker 1: up for love, but people still have to live.
Speaker 3: But also I think it goes beyond that. I mean,
Speaker 3: because obviously you can live anywhere. You've got a radiography degree.
Speaker 3: You could go and do what you do somewhere else
Speaker 3: as well as you know now because you let it last.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I can't ever, I'm not going to make
Speaker 2: this work like We're podcast is forever.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: But I think I've gotten to like almost an argument
Speaker 3: with someone on Instagram, which Matt was like, Laura, they're
Speaker 3: a troll, and I was like, They're not.
Speaker 2: A troll, She's a normal person. She doesn't understand.
Speaker 3: But the reason why I got into this argument was
Speaker 3: because often I think people will message you or their
Speaker 3: message life on cart or they'll you know, message me
Speaker 3: even and be like, why doesn't bridges go? And I
Speaker 3: think that there is a real lack of understanding as
Speaker 3: to how much work goes into creating And not to
Speaker 3: sound like a dickhead, and I'm so sorry if this
Speaker 3: comes across that way, guys, but like one of the
Speaker 3: biggest podcasts in the country it's so much work. It's
Speaker 3: full time, and then we have our staff and you know,
Speaker 3: Scotland's on a complete different time zone. When it's eight
Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning here when we start recording, it's
Speaker 3: the middle of the night in Scotland. So we've tried
Speaker 3: and it's really really hard. And so I guess from
Speaker 3: your perspective, Brip, I feel bad for you that people
Speaker 3: are kind of like, oh, it's so obvious, why don't
Speaker 3: you do that? Because I know how it's just not
Speaker 3: that simple, as simple as people make it out to be.
Speaker 3: And when you're split between being the one to give
Speaker 3: up their career for a partner who's obviously also very
Speaker 3: career orientated, I think it's a real cop out how
Speaker 3: people just assume that the female is going to be
Speaker 3: the one to give up their career. And that was
Speaker 3: my debate. I was saying, people like, she can do
Speaker 3: podcasting from Scotland. I was like, yeah, and he can
Speaker 3: play soccer in Australia. But there's many reasons as to
Speaker 3: why both of those things are challenging for each person.
Speaker 1: Totally and one hundred percent, I can do podcasting from there.
Speaker 2: Is it the same and is it as easy. Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Would we need a whole new setup and equipment, yes,
Speaker 1: but it's not just the podcasting as well, Like we
Speaker 1: have other things here, and the time will come when
Speaker 1: I have a baby that I probably will have to move.
Speaker 1: But then that also weighs into what I was thinking
Speaker 1: about in there as well, babies. So obviously there's a
Speaker 1: high chance I have to do IVF, which is so stressful.
Speaker 2: For another reason because I just want.
Speaker 1: I just wish, and I know everyone's gonna be like,
Speaker 1: obviously no one wants to do IVF. I just wish
Speaker 1: I could fall pregnant naturally, so that the decision is
Speaker 1: taken away from me, because the hardest thing is when
Speaker 1: to start, is actually saying let's do it like on Monday,
Speaker 1: I am going to try and be pregnant.
Speaker 2: That is crazy to me, That is crazy talk.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how I'm ever going to make
Speaker 1: that decision because of the decisions that follow, which is
Speaker 1: where do we live, how do we do it? Do
Speaker 1: I stay here alone? Do I give up whatever to
Speaker 1: go over there? Do I go over there and make
Speaker 1: the podcast work and then try and have a night
Speaker 1: nanny because it's impossible because you know, there's so many
Speaker 1: questions that flow on from that decision. But being in
Speaker 1: there and looking at people's faces light up and the
Speaker 1: way they talk about their children.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it made me.
Speaker 1: Realize that I want it. And I've always been on
Speaker 1: the fence. I've always said I think I want it,
Speaker 1: but maybe I don't. But maybe I only don't want
Speaker 1: it because I don't know if I can. You know,
Speaker 1: I've never known what it was. And it made me
Speaker 1: realize that I want it, which is a great revelation
Speaker 1: to have, like took a weight off my shoulders because
Speaker 1: there's no more in and r N.
Speaker 2: I know that that's it.
Speaker 1: I don't know when or how or why or what
Speaker 1: or the logistics, but I know that it's something I
Speaker 1: see for my future.
Speaker 3: Have you had that conversation with Ben since being out
Speaker 3: or is it like you're out for a day and
Speaker 3: you're like, maybe I've just the seconds rest.
Speaker 2: No, Ben, Ben is all on board. Ben.
Speaker 1: For some reason, Ben has it in his head that
Speaker 1: he wants twins. He just wants twins, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't work, like say that and then it sounds
Speaker 1: do you know what I think? Sounds really hard? My
Speaker 1: friend twins my friend with twins, she's got four kids
Speaker 1: under four, and she's like, do I love my kids?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Are the best things ever. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: She's like, don't choose it because Ben's like, let's do
Speaker 1: IVF in the UK because you can put two win,
Speaker 1: because you can't do that in Australia.
Speaker 2: Couldn't. I couldn't.
Speaker 3: I mean, anyone who's out there who's got twins, like
Speaker 3: you are a superhero.
Speaker 1: Superhero I get the benefits right because people are like, well,
Speaker 1: people like you know, if you're only you get them
Speaker 1: out of the way, if you only want to you've
Speaker 1: got them.
Speaker 2: You don't have to go back, you just do it.
Speaker 2: You're awake.
Speaker 1: Anyway, There's all these arguments, but then there are a
Speaker 1: lot of twin moms that are like it's.
Speaker 2: So hard, like send out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, nah, look wouldn't be my choice if I had one.
Speaker 3: But anyway, if that's what you get, you've got to
Speaker 3: deal with the cards you get dealt But yeah.
Speaker 1: Ben's picked names like he's really excited to be a
Speaker 1: dad one day. He knows exactly what he wants the
Speaker 1: daddy's going to be, what he wants to call a kid.
Speaker 3: I think this is so beautiful because for as long
Speaker 3: as I've known you for like six years now, and
Speaker 3: I know that talking about fertility has been like a
Speaker 3: long conversation that we've had across this podcast. We've talked
Speaker 3: about egg freezing, We've talked about where you have been
Speaker 3: at because for so long, when we first met, you
Speaker 3: were like, I don't want kids. I think you even
Speaker 3: called my children contraception at one point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll the joke, but I was like, yeah, your
Speaker 1: kids are the best a kid, but great contraception.
Speaker 2: I don't need the pills. That's why I love them.
Speaker 3: No, but you've gone from like not wanting to have
Speaker 3: kids to potentially entertaining idea to being at a point
Speaker 3: now where you really want to. And I know everybody's different.
Speaker 3: There will be people out there who never want to
Speaker 3: have children. There's people out there who will follow a
Speaker 3: similar path to you. But I think more so it's
Speaker 3: the clarity, because I think where you have stood, it's
Speaker 3: the not being sure for so long. Obviously, if you
Speaker 3: do have to go down the track of it being
Speaker 3: more logistical, just from the fact that Ben's in another country,
Speaker 3: at least being sure allows you to figure out the
Speaker 3: rest of them.
Speaker 2: Things you know.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and if it doesn't happen for me, I also
Speaker 1: know I will have a wonderful life as well. So
Speaker 1: it's not you know, whatever way it goes, but there
Speaker 1: is definitely a weight off the shoulder at having made
Speaker 1: a more clear decision.
Speaker 3: Well, now we have to have conversations after this podcast
Speaker 3: around how we.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well what's just wait, Tilli? And when I'm pregnant
Speaker 1: That's another chat we have had. We've had so many questions.
Speaker 1: I want to preface this as well.
Speaker 3: Like you know, I always said the Britain, I haven't
Speaker 3: had the opportunity to catch up properly, but like I
Speaker 3: genuinely don't know the intricacies of how things worked in
Speaker 3: the jungle, and neither do you guys. So you guys
Speaker 3: have all sent in so many questions around for silly things,
Speaker 3: from like how do you shower or how to take
Speaker 3: care of yourself all the way to like how things
Speaker 3: are filmed and like how challenges take place. But we
Speaker 3: wanted this episode to be a real deep dive into
Speaker 3: the Jungle BRIT's experience, the things that you've learned, the
Speaker 3: things that you didn't realize from that reality TV experience,
Speaker 3: I want to kick.
Speaker 2: It off with.
Speaker 3: I think was the most common question, which is kind
Speaker 3: of weird, but it was, and it was all around
Speaker 3: how you manage to take care of yourself In there.
Speaker 1: God, there was something beautiful about no stress and just
Speaker 1: having people look after you, like people feed you, people
Speaker 1: do everything for you. There's no stress, there's no new cycle,
Speaker 1: there's no nothing like you just exist with some friends
Speaker 1: and play AFL and do fun stuff and cook.
Speaker 3: Do you know what it sounds It sounds like being a
Speaker 3: teenager again. It sounds like being eleven when you just
Speaker 3: rock up. You get told what to do. We didn't
Speaker 3: know how good we had it when we were kids,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: The moment that we realized that I realized it was
Speaker 1: like Stockholm syndrome. And so this is a bit behind
Speaker 1: the scenes stuff, it's very real. For the food, like,
Speaker 1: you don't get fed very much, which is why everyone
Speaker 1: loses so much weight.
Speaker 2: It is monitored to a point.
Speaker 1: Where they know you're getting enough calories that you're safe,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna lose weight because there's no sugars, preservatives.
Speaker 2: Very small meals. You are on the minimum calories, how
Speaker 2: many calories a day you're allowed to eat.
Speaker 1: I think it had to be even the people that
Speaker 1: were like losing and not getting meals.
Speaker 2: It has to be a minimum of eight hundred.
Speaker 1: Calories, which OK, very low, but also that can't be
Speaker 1: for too many days in a row. So what they
Speaker 1: do is there were genuinely days where you couldn't walk
Speaker 1: very far without sitting down feeling dizzy. Yeah, people getting
Speaker 1: dizzy when they stood up. You just had no energy.
Speaker 2: So sometimes they were like, hey, guys, get up and play,
Speaker 2: and we're like, we can't.
Speaker 1: Callum would sleep twelve hours a day, sometimes in the
Speaker 1: day like a sloth. Like the Callum you saw on
Speaker 1: TV was a different Caum not on TV. But it's
Speaker 1: because you can't. You don't have the energy. So those
Speaker 1: days that'd send in a banana, one banana, like each
Speaker 1: That's when I knew it was Stockholm syndrome.
Speaker 2: We were like so much from a banana. We just
Speaker 2: thought they were the best.
Speaker 1: Thank you for looking after us, thank you for like
Speaker 1: for rewarding us with this piece of tiny piece of fruit.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh my god, I'm there.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm kidnapped right now in the jungle, and I'm frothing.
Speaker 2: I stipulate that about Matt. Oh he's kidnapped you.
Speaker 3: No, I'm like, I fell in love with him on
Speaker 3: a reality TV show there was based on Stockholm syndrome,
Speaker 3: and every so often I'm like, what happened here?
Speaker 2: How did I trap? I have two kids? So am
Speaker 2: I stilling? Contract? Was the contract? Six years?
Speaker 1: He cooks me dinner and I'm like, the thank you
Speaker 1: so much, sweetie, thank you for loving me.
Speaker 3: Pick me?
Speaker 2: Can I steal you for a minute? Can I steal
Speaker 2: you for a chat for two seconds? I saw you
Speaker 2: talking to that other girls? Oh my god, stop it. No,
Speaker 2: But it's true.
Speaker 3: These shows are based on and I don't want to
Speaker 3: say Stockholm syndromes. That obviously sounds like such a severe thing,
Speaker 3: but the mentality around it is that you lose all
Speaker 3: your autonomy, something that as adults we're so used to
Speaker 3: having complete and unfiltered ability to do what we want
Speaker 3: when we want to do it, and then you go
Speaker 3: into these experiences and all of that is taken away.
Speaker 3: For some people, it's a massive adjustment. For some people
Speaker 3: they almost thrive in like relinquishing control a little bit.
Speaker 2: They brought us in one day.
Speaker 1: You guys saw it actually, I think Callum brought it
Speaker 1: back from a trial on Easter an Easter egg that
Speaker 1: was like the tiny little ones, like a five cent piece.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: We were like, thank you so much. You're spoiled task,
Speaker 1: You're too good to us. Like fuck, I look back
Speaker 1: now and I'm like what what?
Speaker 2: Who was I did it? Okay? How did you go
Speaker 2: without having a phone for six weeks? Loved it? Best thing,
Speaker 2: best thing I've ever done.
Speaker 1: Let's not have a phone. I didn't want to back.
Speaker 1: Did you feel strange the first couple of days? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't open Instagram. No, not when you had a back,
Speaker 1: but the first few days of being in there. Or
Speaker 1: was it a situation where you were like, well, I
Speaker 1: know I don't have it, so I can't possibly think
Speaker 1: about it. I didn't feel strange at all, maybe because
Speaker 1: I trust me. I did because I had access to
Speaker 1: all of your Instagram. I was like, someone take this
Speaker 1: away from me. You're having a field day.
Speaker 2: It's too much.
Speaker 1: I've done The Bachelor before, so we've done three months
Speaker 1: without a phone. I felt sorry for all the people
Speaker 1: that had never done a show where you've gone in
Speaker 1: and haven't had that access. So I gave myself to
Speaker 1: the show. I walked in and was like, don't even
Speaker 1: care about looking at that. I didn't even think about
Speaker 1: it again. Whereas some other people struggled a little bit.
Speaker 1: But I thought it was wonderful, like I've never felt
Speaker 1: calmer in my mind in my life.
Speaker 2: But also the.
Speaker 3: People who I think would have struggled with it more
Speaker 3: so might even be the people who have like little
Speaker 3: kids or things that you know, people who you want
Speaker 3: to have connection with, not just because you want to
Speaker 3: chat to them every day, but because you're worried about
Speaker 3: their safety. You kind of worry about wanting to know
Speaker 3: what's going on in their lives. I think that for
Speaker 3: me would be a real stress factor is not being
Speaker 3: able to contact Matt to make sure that the kids
Speaker 3: are okay, or to get an update, or to find
Speaker 3: out like how they've been well.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a safety thing, because everyone in
Speaker 1: there knew that if anything happened, the family had contact
Speaker 1: to the show, and they will call you in and
Speaker 1: tell you it wasn't that, it was just that you've
Speaker 1: never these people like haven't been away from their kids
Speaker 1: ever last and if they have been away, they've had
Speaker 1: contact to talk to them totally fat time.
Speaker 3: It's not the big things. It's not when I say safety,
Speaker 3: it's not even that. Like today, for example, I left
Speaker 3: for work and I was in the car for ten
Speaker 3: minutes and then Matt called me on the phone for
Speaker 3: Marley to speak to me because she was upset about
Speaker 3: something and she wanted to speak to her mom. I
Speaker 3: would hate the idea of being in that situation for
Speaker 3: six weeks and it being always being no, like they
Speaker 3: want to speak to mum, and the answers, no, you
Speaker 3: can't speak to mom, because I think it's different going
Speaker 3: on a holiday and still or going away for a
Speaker 3: work trip and being able to talk to your kids
Speaker 3: every day when they want access to you first, just
Speaker 3: telling them that they can't access you at all, that
Speaker 3: must be really hard, especially and I don't want to
Speaker 3: just say for people who have kids, but it would
Speaker 3: be an extra element.
Speaker 1: I think it's definitely I'll easily say that way harder
Speaker 1: for people that had kids. You know, of course, the
Speaker 1: people that don't have kids. We all missed our families
Speaker 1: and partners and friends, but we all know that kids
Speaker 1: are different. The lucky thing for everyone in there was
Speaker 1: the kids were either too small that they had no
Speaker 1: idea like babies, or they were old enough to understand
Speaker 1: because it was live, they could watch them every night,
Speaker 1: so they could understand why they're look, Daddy's on the TV.
Speaker 2: That's why you're not speaking to him.
Speaker 1: So that made it so much easier because all the
Speaker 1: kids had this excitement of going home every day and
Speaker 1: watching them on the TV. Yeah, I think that made
Speaker 1: it better and it was easy for them to understand.
Speaker 1: If they were going away it was pre filmed and
Speaker 1: it was shown in three months, the kids wouldn't have understood,
Speaker 1: but it was super hard.
Speaker 2: What about fights?
Speaker 3: Like what about I know everyone came across as though
Speaker 3: everyone got along like you're want being happy family, which
Speaker 3: I think is one of the beautiful things about I'm
Speaker 3: a Celebrity is that it's not really based around dry
Speaker 3: But there were things that happened on the show that
Speaker 3: I kind of picked up on and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: there seems like there's some weird energy happening here. The
Speaker 3: first thing was between Canvas and Sky. Oh, if you
Speaker 3: guys were watching, basically what happened and just to kind
Speaker 3: of recap it. So everyone was asked to hand in
Speaker 3: their contraband, which most people had snuck into the jungle.
Speaker 3: Sky had contraband lip gloss or makeup or something, and
Speaker 3: Canvas had said, like, Sky, you need to hand yours in.
Speaker 3: Sky got quite upset. And I would say from watching
Speaker 3: that back, like as an audience member, it looked as
Speaker 3: though Canvas was in the wrong. And what I mean
Speaker 3: by that is it looked as though Canvas, Yeah, it
Speaker 3: kind of looked as though she threw Sky under the bus,
Speaker 3: and Sky was very upset. And even like the social
Speaker 3: media commentary to reflect that, like people were going Canvas
Speaker 3: after that moment on TV.
Speaker 2: That's so interesting because I haven't. I mean, we don't
Speaker 2: come out. I don't see that stuff.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting because Candas was one hundred percent in
Speaker 1: the right and everyone agreed with that.
Speaker 2: That wasn't such a huge thing in the jungle.
Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, put it
Speaker 1: this way, everyone had contraband in there, well basically everyone
Speaker 1: mine got I got strip searched and mine got taken,
Speaker 1: so I didn't get it in there. Yeah, they searched
Speaker 1: every cavity. I don't know why, but I was not
Speaker 1: getting that protein barring somebody took extra diligence to find
Speaker 1: it on. It was strapped to my body and someone
Speaker 1: one of the producers, gave me put you down. Well,
Speaker 1: she gave me a hug before I went in, and
Speaker 1: it went She's like what and she was like what's that.
Speaker 1: I was like nothing. She like started to pat me
Speaker 1: and it was like because it was all taped, I
Speaker 1: had so many tea I was like, why were hugging people?
Speaker 2: Just say sorry, I'm not off a hug before you
Speaker 2: go in. You're like, see your good luck and you're hugged.
Speaker 1: And then I went and I was like oh. And
Speaker 1: then she patted me down and I had I was fulled.
Speaker 2: In that tiny little dress. You'd strap shit to yourself.
Speaker 1: To my arms, and because I had sleeves around my waist,
Speaker 1: it was everywhere so I didn't get anything in. But yeah,
Speaker 1: So what happens is the show knows a bunch of
Speaker 1: people take contrabanding. They encourage it for some people because
Speaker 1: it makes the show. Khan had a whole supermarket in
Speaker 1: his bag. He had every spice you could imagine. But
Speaker 1: he's a chef, so that was always going to make
Speaker 1: for great TV. Sky had makeup in there because that
Speaker 1: suits who she is, you know, So they allowed some stuff.
Speaker 2: So four days in or something, and we're already really hungry.
Speaker 1: They're already withholding food and we're not eating a lot,
Speaker 1: and you're withdrawing because you're only four days in from sugars,
Speaker 1: from coffees, from normal food, from hunger, so emotions are high. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it was contrabande. Everyone had two minutes to hand their
Speaker 1: contrabandin or there were consequences of not eating, like you'll
Speaker 1: withhold more food. So everyone knew it was part of
Speaker 1: the show. Everyone who started handing their contrabandin eating it all.
Speaker 1: You could eat it if you wanted, but you had
Speaker 1: two minutes. Can't put his hair dyeing his hair in
Speaker 1: two minutes.
Speaker 2: It's so funny. It was so funny.
Speaker 1: So everyone handed it in except Sky, who didn't want
Speaker 1: to hand her makeup lip stuff in. And Candace knew
Speaker 1: she had it, but no one else knew apparently, so
Speaker 1: she had just told her, like, I've brought my lips
Speaker 1: stuff in, and so Candace didn't want to starve, so
Speaker 1: she just said, hey, Sky, also hand yours in like
Speaker 1: everyone else. It wasn't a big deal at all. She
Speaker 1: wasn't throwing anyone under a bus. Everyone was doing it,
Speaker 1: and Sky didn't want to give her lips the hop
Speaker 1: so she said no, and Kenna said, well, yes, because
Speaker 1: we want to eat and we're not gonna not eat
Speaker 1: because of your lip balm, like because of your lipliner,
Speaker 1: and it.
Speaker 2: Just turned into something.
Speaker 1: Candace and Sky handle their emotions very differently, as we know,
Speaker 1: Like you saw Sky, she cries a lot. She gets
Speaker 1: her emotions are very on the like she shows her emotions.
Speaker 1: Candace hides her emotions. And you could see how upset
Speaker 1: Candace was, you know, I could see her lip quivering,
Speaker 1: she was holding in tears. But she doesn't handle it
Speaker 1: the same way, and I think that's why it came
Speaker 1: across in that way. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: everyone thought it was completely a fair request of Candace
Speaker 1: to ask her to hand it in and what Kenna said,
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's so true.
Speaker 2: Cannath was like, Sky, it's not.
Speaker 1: Like you're holding food for a different day like you
Speaker 1: just it's a lip balm. Like the whole camp is
Speaker 1: not gonna not eat because you want your lip liner,
Speaker 1: like like, just just hand it in.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's interesting hearing it from your perspective of
Speaker 3: being in the camp. Because and I learned this from
Speaker 3: watching back our season of the Bachelor. And I'm sure
Speaker 3: I've mentioned on here many years ago, but the way
Speaker 3: in which people are perceived from reality TV. If you're
Speaker 3: someone who's really vulnerable, if you're someone who cries easily
Speaker 3: because you're you know, maybe you're someone who is softer
Speaker 3: and natured in terms of like being able to show
Speaker 3: your emotion. Yeah, that visibility of like real, unadulterated emotion
Speaker 3: is received so beautifully from an audience. Watching it allows
Speaker 3: you allows an audience member to sympathize. Whereas if you're
Speaker 3: somebody who, especially as a female, if you're a bit harder,
Speaker 3: even if you feel are those things, even if you
Speaker 3: are equally as upset, if you don't cry, if you
Speaker 3: shut down in those moments of vulnerability, the audience doesn't.
Speaker 3: There's nowhere near as kind to you. If you shut down,
Speaker 3: you're perceived as hard. And I think in that moment,
Speaker 3: and I don't think I saw it play it on Instagram,
Speaker 3: people were absolutely going for CANDUs in the comments. People
Speaker 3: were messaging on sky saying how beautiful she was, how
Speaker 3: she's being misrepresented. It was a real moment of like
Speaker 3: a you know, you picked a side in that moment,
Speaker 3: and Skuy came off better on social media than Candas did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's such a shame because what should have happened
Speaker 1: is everyone just handed the contraband in and if Skuy
Speaker 1: didn't and Canda said, hey, Sky put it in, she
Speaker 1: should have just put it in.
Speaker 2: That argument shouldn't have happened.
Speaker 1: And I love them both equally, it just seems like
Speaker 1: such a dumb argument, total loss. And she also kept
Speaker 1: it anyway, She was using it the whole time. She
Speaker 1: had the last couple of days, she was just pulling
Speaker 1: it out. She was like, I've we had this the
Speaker 1: whole time. So she didn't even end it in anyway.
Speaker 1: Or she had multiple, No, she had multiple. She handed
Speaker 1: one in, but she.
Speaker 2: Must have had a bag of stuff for got it. Know,
Speaker 2: good honor.
Speaker 3: I want to know about the hygiene perspective, because you
Speaker 3: mentioned that people didn't shower, and maybe it was because
Speaker 3: the water was too cold, but people weren't showering. But
Speaker 3: more so beyond that, like how do people take care
Speaker 3: of themselves? What's the toilet situation? Like can you shave
Speaker 3: your legs. Can you see yourself in a mirror? Like?
Speaker 1: Talk me through that aspect of slab. Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: shower every day, you can, but you don't. So Frankie
Speaker 1: and Sky were the grossest by far. They didn't shower.
Speaker 1: They both showered like five or six times, I think
Speaker 1: the whole time.
Speaker 2: Why would you do that? Why would you not shower?
Speaker 1: Because it was so cold, like freezing cold, and you're
Speaker 1: out in the open, there are spider snake scorpions, there's
Speaker 1: cameras on you everywhere, and it's just freezing.
Speaker 2: It's not hot. Africa wasn't hot like you think it
Speaker 2: would be because we were so shaded and sheltered from the.
Speaker 3: Sun, so we didn't get some Did people shower naked
Speaker 3: or do they shower close?
Speaker 2: Just believe it or not? Chok horror, Just callum shower
Speaker 2: naked from the get go. Yeah he was naked.
Speaker 3: Didn't give a fuck, gave no Fox just hanging out
Speaker 3: with his waying out, well.
Speaker 2: Not all the time.
Speaker 1: Sometimes he had his unders on. But then I think
Speaker 1: he got over it and he was just like cuppies
Speaker 1: and you're just standing there and he's just there showering.
Speaker 3: Well, women across the Australia or wanted to go on
Speaker 3: celebrity you could.
Speaker 2: But we were pretty respectful.
Speaker 1: Like if people were like, I'm going for a shower,
Speaker 1: you generally wouldn't go and stand there and goggle at them,
Speaker 1: but like you would you could still walk past if but.
Speaker 3: The showers are away from the main camp or they're
Speaker 3: like right in the camp. Like you're sitting there on
Speaker 3: your bed watching someone in the shower.
Speaker 2: I think the camp looks bigger than it is.
Speaker 1: You can't sit on the bed and look at them,
Speaker 1: but you can wash up and look at them.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're washing up, callum's the shower. Gonna go
Speaker 2: watch my car, but you already washed it. No, I
Speaker 2: didn't watch. Probably I'm going back toy. No, that's what
Speaker 2: it's like.
Speaker 1: You would wash up and stare at them, and you
Speaker 1: could be at the gym and looks through the cracks
Speaker 1: at them. So the gym and they're walking up and
Speaker 1: a shower. We're in this tiny vicinity that you walked
Speaker 1: past the toilet and then you're in the camp.
Speaker 2: The camp. I don't know how big it looks on screen.
Speaker 2: It's tiny.
Speaker 1: You don't time you were stuck in this tiny camp
Speaker 1: for a month. The only times you go out of
Speaker 1: a trial, you don't speak to another human. You don't
Speaker 1: see another human unless you leave, And you don't know
Speaker 1: what time of day it is.
Speaker 2: You don't know that was good and bad.
Speaker 1: You have no concept of time, so you don't know
Speaker 1: when you woke up, what time it is, what time
Speaker 1: you went to bed. You've got to guest through the
Speaker 1: day because you've got this tiny meal, right, two tablespoons
Speaker 1: of rice for lunch and two tablespoons of beans. That
Speaker 1: is it, nothing playing, so that's all you look forward
Speaker 1: to all day. So you've got no concept of time.
Speaker 1: So you get up and you have your oats, and
Speaker 1: then you don't know what you've done to fill in
Speaker 1: the hours.
Speaker 2: And then you're like, what time, drecking is lunchtime?
Speaker 1: Because everyone's starving, so you'd eat, you'd cook because you
Speaker 1: want to really wait it out, and then it would
Speaker 1: be like fifteen hours until dinner.
Speaker 2: As at eight lunch at nine am, TikTok.
Speaker 1: You'd be like, you guys did have lunch early today,
Speaker 1: Like you had lunch very early. Sometimes it's like nine
Speaker 1: point thirty ten, and we're like, let's have lunch because
Speaker 1: you got up at like five, You don't know, So
Speaker 1: I kind of loved that. The idea of not knowing
Speaker 1: how many hours sleep you've got, how long you've been away,
Speaker 1: what time, there's something cool about that, But also it's
Speaker 1: also plays into the whole psychological aspect.
Speaker 3: So many people asked around periods, like how you managed
Speaker 3: your period while you're in there, Because you're in there
Speaker 3: for six weeks, so most women will have gotten a
Speaker 3: period in that time.
Speaker 2: How do you manage that? What did you do?
Speaker 1: That was definitely hard, probably harder for me because I
Speaker 1: say me, because I choose to use a menstrual cup
Speaker 1: instead of pads and tampons. So they give you pads
Speaker 1: and tampons, and my understanding was every other woman in
Speaker 1: there was using pads and tampons. So the cup is
Speaker 1: difficult because usually you do it in the shower, you're
Speaker 1: inting it out, you're cleaning it, you put it back in.
Speaker 2: I was not going to do that in the shower.
Speaker 2: There's no way.
Speaker 1: Someone's at the gym just there's gm with AXTR cup
Speaker 1: women that are around.
Speaker 2: No way I was doing that.
Speaker 1: And especially it's not even that it's knowing that there
Speaker 1: is a room of eight people watching.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not the people in the camp, it's everyone
Speaker 3: who's watching on camera.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the lack of that's the thing you don't realize.
Speaker 3: It's the lack of overall privacy because you don't know
Speaker 3: how much visibility they have.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I went into the control room at the end.
Speaker 1: I knew there were people in there, but they take
Speaker 1: you on a tour at the end, and you see
Speaker 1: all the cameras on the camp like nothing I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: Do you remember that horrible thing that happened to Christy
Speaker 3: Swan when she was on Big Brother?
Speaker 2: No what?
Speaker 3: It was absolutely awful. It happened back in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 3: You guys know Christy Swan, she's got the radio show.
Speaker 3: She was on Big Brother. She was in the shower
Speaker 3: and she heard one of the cameramen because obviously they
Speaker 3: are in the bathrooms, they're everywhere.
Speaker 2: They're watching.
Speaker 3: It's Big Brother style. So she was in the shower
Speaker 3: and she heard someone through the wall say, I know
Speaker 3: you like fat women.
Speaker 2: And he was talking to.
Speaker 3: Another cameraman and they were watching her in the shower.
Speaker 3: It all played out on the show This is twenty
Speaker 3: plaid that. Yeah, this is twenty thirteen reality TV, Like,
Speaker 3: this is the type of like a bor of behavior
Speaker 3: that would have been shown.
Speaker 2: Now, there's no way that it would fly.
Speaker 3: And she was humiliated, absolutely humiliated.
Speaker 2: That I can't even believe that I was shown twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2: It was shown. Yeah, it was shown on TV. It
Speaker 2: all played.
Speaker 3: I made the news like it was Obviously it was
Speaker 3: so disgusting to watch over.
Speaker 2: But this is what you think. You were in that environment.
Speaker 3: You're in a tiny little space where you think about
Speaker 3: your teammates seeing you, But what you might not be
Speaker 3: thinking about is literally the team of people that you're
Speaker 3: trusting to be on the other end of that camera,
Speaker 3: and then what's happening.
Speaker 1: With that footage? You hope that they're just doing the
Speaker 1: right thing about you. Well, I was thinking the opposite.
Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about the people in the camp. I
Speaker 1: was thinking about those people because I guess I've done
Speaker 1: TV before. I know how many people would been watching,
Speaker 1: but I actually had no idea of so many. It
Speaker 1: was like sixty seventy people in this one room with
Speaker 1: a whole wall of have you seen like Morning Wars
Speaker 1: with Jennifer Aniston and anyway, if you guys have seen
Speaker 1: Mourning Wars.
Speaker 2: That's what it looks like.
Speaker 1: Cameras on every single angle of that whole place, including
Speaker 1: the shower, and you know, well, you like to think
Speaker 1: that they're respectful and they're not looking, but at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, you're on a big screen naked.
Speaker 1: Whether they do anything with that footage, they're going to
Speaker 1: be watching it at that time, and there's no way
Speaker 1: I'm whipping a menstrual cup out and tipping my blood
Speaker 1: down the scene.
Speaker 3: But also if the toilet facilities are pretty rank as well,
Speaker 3: you've got a long drop toilet, you've got a short
Speaker 3: drop toil, you've got a toilet for the poos and
Speaker 3: a toilet for the wheeze. Yeah, so you were supposed
Speaker 3: to just go and empty your menstrul cup out, then
Speaker 3: waltz around camp with it to go on rinset and
Speaker 3: then go back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would go into I'd do it at
Speaker 1: nighttime when there was not a lot of people around
Speaker 1: as dark, and I'd go wash my hands. So I
Speaker 1: was cleaning sanitis, Go to the long drop, not touch anything,
Speaker 1: take it out, put it into long drop, walk back out,
Speaker 1: clean it, rinse it, wash my hands again. Go back
Speaker 1: in and put it in and then go back out
Speaker 1: and wash. It was a lot, and it was a
Speaker 1: real nightmare. But that's just a choice I wanted to
Speaker 1: make because I wanted to. I could have been tampons,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to use that. It's the choice I
Speaker 1: made a couple of years ago, and I love it.
Speaker 1: But I guess it's just part of it, Like you
Speaker 1: have to know that if you're going in there.
Speaker 2: It's part of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's a part of me that that, like
Speaker 3: I feel annoyed by that because I'm like, it's so
Speaker 3: easy to be a dude. We'll go in there, do
Speaker 3: a shit, do we leave, Like it's so easy being
Speaker 3: a guy, But as women, there is an additional facility
Speaker 3: and there isn't additional I guess, like privacy that's required
Speaker 3: and you're not given that opportunity. Like I don't know,
Speaker 3: there's something about that that I feel, especially if you
Speaker 3: are choosing to use a moving carp and I know
Speaker 3: we should be like, oh no, shame, go and rinse
Speaker 3: it out in the shower, but the reality is, like
Speaker 3: some privacy would be nice.
Speaker 1: It's not shame, it's privacy. Yeah, totally, it is it's
Speaker 1: like it's the same thing. You're not gonna go whip
Speaker 1: a tampon out in front of someone and swing it around. Well,
Speaker 1: actually some people probably would do that, but like that's
Speaker 1: not idea, very terrible. The toilets, yeah, you go take
Speaker 1: a dump and then you've got to clean them. You've
Speaker 1: got to go and pull It's just a bucket. It's
Speaker 1: a hole in this bucket. Every day you take the
Speaker 1: bucket out and you put the bucket in, and in
Speaker 1: both bathrooms is a tub of charcoal and a tub
Speaker 1: of hay like oat kind of thing. It's like sorta sorry,
Speaker 1: fucking not hay or oats.
Speaker 2: I was like, what the fuck, dude, my brain doesn't work.
Speaker 3: It was but a bucket of sorder something that looks
Speaker 3: like shaved wood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a but us.
Speaker 1: So after every poo and weat, you had to scoop
Speaker 1: the sort us to cover it, and then you scoop
Speaker 1: the like charcoal in and it helps cover the smell
Speaker 1: and cover the poop.
Speaker 2: That's enough to maybe not want to do it.
Speaker 1: You carry it out. Man, they were dropping nuggets. It
Speaker 1: was like twenty kilos a day. It's callum, I don't
Speaker 1: know who it was, and the side of that guy
Speaker 1: it was Pete. He would be doing some meaty, meaty poos.
Speaker 1: So that was gross, But you get used to it
Speaker 1: very quick. The first day you go in, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you don't touch anything it smells, and then by four
Speaker 1: days in you couldn't care less, Like it just becomes
Speaker 1: again stock Holm because every day life.
Speaker 2: You like, thank you for the toilet paper.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I don't think there's anyone out there in
Speaker 3: the world who'd be like, oh yeah, i'd be fun with.
Speaker 2: That cross it, like that's my favorite.
Speaker 3: Hey, what was your favorite part of I'm a Slave
Speaker 3: cleaning up the shit out of the drop callum shit
Speaker 3: that went everywhere.
Speaker 1: But there's full scorpions in there and snakes, like kill
Speaker 1: a snake?
Speaker 2: How do you feel about the snakes? So there was
Speaker 2: like quite a few challenges.
Speaker 3: One where you had like a bowl in your head
Speaker 3: and you had snakes around your head, sky challenge where
Speaker 3: she had to lay in a box and was covered
Speaker 3: in snakes. When you're going through these challenges, like how
Speaker 3: by the end of it are you okay with the animals?
Speaker 2: Is it still as petrifying as it looks? I think
Speaker 2: by the end of it.
Speaker 1: It's fine, and I know Sky's challenge with the snakes.
Speaker 1: I can say this because she told us, But she
Speaker 1: loved it. It was the easiest trial of the entire show.
Speaker 3: That was such a turnaround because on the first episode
Speaker 3: she was petrified and then she was laying there like gandhy.
Speaker 3: I was like, how have you how like, how have
Speaker 3: you managed to overcome this fear. I would have literally
Speaker 3: shipped myself in that box.
Speaker 2: It was easy. It would have been me and a
Speaker 2: drop toilet. Yeah, covered snake.
Speaker 1: She's like, it's the easiest challenge you can do because
Speaker 1: you just lay there and close your eyes and they
Speaker 1: just sit on you and like slither. But she's like,
Speaker 1: it was I just went to sleep and twelve minutes
Speaker 1: later I got up.
Speaker 3: They tried to make her open her eyes and she
Speaker 3: was like, okay, yep, it's beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yes, she just laid there and relaxed.
Speaker 1: I guess it gets to a point where you know
Speaker 1: deep down that they're not going to hurt you, like
Speaker 1: the snakes that they're giving you. They don't want a
Speaker 1: celebrity to die. Imagine, they don't want to I'm a celebrity,
Speaker 1: I'm dead. They don't go to their funeral, Like that's
Speaker 1: not the vibe. So the snakes are there to like
Speaker 1: make you feel uncomfortable. But if you can get to
Speaker 1: the point where you're like, they're not gonna hurt me,
Speaker 1: it's okay.
Speaker 3: Do you not think about the variable though, Like what
Speaker 3: if just one snake in that environment aarked up and
Speaker 3: then they're agitated, and then it agitates the other snakes.
Speaker 3: Like all it takes is one thing to go wrong
Speaker 3: in that situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So when my head was in a snake jar
Speaker 1: astronaut jar, they were going around my neck and there
Speaker 1: was a point where I was yelling out saying, they're
Speaker 1: around my neck, They're going to choke me, because that's
Speaker 1: what it feels like, right, like they're just getting well.
Speaker 1: They weren't constricting because i'd stop breathing, but I could
Speaker 1: feel them around in a circle.
Speaker 2: But they're not constrictors.
Speaker 1: So there are ranges everywhere, like the snake handlers all
Speaker 1: around you. Robert's watching and they're watching their behavior the
Speaker 1: whole time. They can tell if their behavior is changing
Speaker 1: or or if they're getting agitated, and they would stop it,
Speaker 1: like they don't want anything to happen. So I just
Speaker 1: really gave myself to if they think something's wrong, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be in the situation. Yeah, you have to or
Speaker 1: you have a panic attack. What about the ice challenge?
Speaker 3: So you did one challenge where you were in a
Speaker 3: deep freeze.
Speaker 2: They called it. It was you and Candice water.
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't stay in an ice bath for
Speaker 3: two minutes, let alone how long you're in there for.
Speaker 2: We all had a group chat.
Speaker 3: We were all messaging each other at the time because
Speaker 3: it was incredible. You were so good in that moment,
Speaker 3: and I was so proud of you. I honestly was
Speaker 3: just like, oh my god, she's done so.
Speaker 2: Well, Queen Britty. But what was that like? And was
Speaker 2: it as hard as it looked?
Speaker 1: That was my favorite challenge and that by far the hardest,
Speaker 1: most difficult challenge of the show. So they say, but
Speaker 1: that's because there was so much physicality in it and
Speaker 1: actually danger. So it was about eighteen minutes total. You
Speaker 1: ended up being in an ice bath, and it is
Speaker 1: a proper ice bath. I can one hundred percent say
Speaker 1: there is nothing fake about what happened. And then you're
Speaker 1: panicking too because you're chained down and there's like the
Speaker 1: tinese bit of breath at the top and you can't
Speaker 1: catch your breath because you're so cold. Your breathing is
Speaker 1: really shallow and you're panicking.
Speaker 2: So our core body.
Speaker 1: Temperature dropped a bit over three degrees, So we should
Speaker 1: be at about thirty seven degrees. Most people know that
Speaker 1: we were your thirty three point eight or something, which crazy.
Speaker 1: If it gets they monitor you the second you get out,
Speaker 1: they're monitoring you the medical team. If you get to
Speaker 1: thirty two, that is proper, like you need to go
Speaker 1: to hospital hypothermia. So we were thirty three in a bit,
Speaker 1: and the second you get out, we couldn't even interview.
Speaker 1: Usually they interview you after, but we could not talk.
Speaker 1: We could not We were like convulsive shaking.
Speaker 3: Well, most people would think about temperature from the opposite,
Speaker 3: like when you have a fever and you get hot,
Speaker 3: and I think about like when the kids have had
Speaker 3: temperatures and they've gotten up to forty degrees, even higher
Speaker 3: than forty degrees, and in sane it's like we're at
Speaker 3: hospital with that, you know, So when you think about
Speaker 3: being three degrees under, it's just as severe, but in
Speaker 3: the opposite direction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they they just had a car ready for us,
Speaker 1: heated at forty degrees. We had like the foil hypothemic blankets,
Speaker 1: hot water bottles, normal blankets, hot tea. They have to
Speaker 1: give you food to get your temperature up. And it
Speaker 1: was like forty five minutes before they check every couple
Speaker 1: of minutes in your ear and your temperature, and it
Speaker 1: was so I couldn't believe how slow it takes. Like
Speaker 1: it dropped so quickly and to get it back up
Speaker 1: took so long.
Speaker 3: Was there ever a point in that challenge where you thought,
Speaker 3: like this is dangerous, Oh yeah, one.
Speaker 2: Hundred percent, but there is a risky. His name's Risky.
Speaker 1: They're the risk Assesses, and he has like Risky on
Speaker 1: his shirt and he's at every trial he sets it up,
Speaker 1: they've tested themselves and then he's there and stand by.
Speaker 1: So he was at the top of that with like
Speaker 1: his snorkel oxygen thing and his wetsuit. And they gave
Speaker 1: us a sign so you can pop up to the
Speaker 1: top and say I'm a celebrity, to get me out
Speaker 1: of here, and they'll take you out of the challenge.
Speaker 1: But they gave us a sign where you draw a
Speaker 1: line across your neck, so through the glass, if you're underwater,
Speaker 1: you just draw a line across your neck like the
Speaker 1: dead sign, and hell that is They were like, you
Speaker 1: only do this is an immediate release if something is
Speaker 1: proper wrong, and they have like those glass smashes and
Speaker 1: they'd smash the glass from the outside and the tank
Speaker 1: would just go out. So if you do that, if
Speaker 1: you do kill or you say I'm a celebrity, get
Speaker 1: me out of here, do you get taken like do
Speaker 1: you have to leave the show? So the way they well,
Speaker 1: our understanding, no one actually said it in a challenge,
Speaker 1: but our understanding was you don't have to do that.
Speaker 1: You can say it in the challenge and it just
Speaker 1: takes you out of the challenge the trial. But if
Speaker 1: you say it in the camp, you're saying I'm leaving,
Speaker 1: so it can just take you from a trial. You
Speaker 1: can say I'm a celebrity and they're like, it's immediately over.
Speaker 2: But you don't have to leave the show.
Speaker 3: So I think, maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that
Speaker 3: if you said it at all, it meant that you
Speaker 3: left the show.
Speaker 1: So I compete, like I didn't say it, But that's
Speaker 1: they said to us every trial like, you don't have
Speaker 1: to go through with this. You can be a celebrity,
Speaker 1: but it means you'll fall fit your stars. So I
Speaker 1: think when you're saying it in a trial, So if
Speaker 1: you're like seven stars or something and then you say
Speaker 1: it you fought for all stars, Yes, yeah, gotcha?
Speaker 2: Okay, who did you like the most in there?
Speaker 1: I mean I liked everyone, obviously, but I was really
Speaker 1: close at the beginning, I should say, the whole time.
Speaker 1: But Michelle and I we met on the first like
Speaker 1: we were in the same group at the start when
Speaker 1: we jumped off the cliff, and then our beds were
Speaker 1: put together because we were the last people to get beds,
Speaker 1: so just us were over on the corner in the
Speaker 1: jungle bush by ourselves. We got really close and we
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time talking. And I have a
Speaker 1: lot of time for Michelle. She's the sweetest, loveliest woman.
Speaker 1: What do you think people would be surprised to know
Speaker 1: about her? How sweet and lovely she is. I think
Speaker 1: people she doesn't have a bad bony in a body,
Speaker 1: she doesn't have a heart.
Speaker 2: She was just so caring.
Speaker 3: She is one So I mean, and this is purely
Speaker 3: just from someone looking from the outside in. She's someone
Speaker 3: who comes across prior to I'm a celebrity as hard
Speaker 3: as like that, lacking in a vulnerability aspect that I
Speaker 3: was talking about earlier, and you see her and you
Speaker 3: kind of can't quite read her. But then in the jungle,
Speaker 3: I think so many people who were watching that thought,
Speaker 3: oh my god, she's actually so lovely, she's so amazing
Speaker 3: and maybe has just been through some shit. And unfortunately,
Speaker 3: when you're a public figure, you go through shit, and
Speaker 3: you do it on a public stage for everybody to
Speaker 3: have an opinion about.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent and that's it.
Speaker 1: She was genuinely the most sweet natured, soft, caring, giving person.
Speaker 3: And also, I mean to be fair, and I guess
Speaker 3: it's an important thing that we could unpack on another episode.
Speaker 3: But like the show in which she was a part
Speaker 3: of for so long, The Biggest Loser is so deeply
Speaker 3: fundamentally wrong, and at the time we all loved it.
Speaker 3: We were all like it was like, you know, let's
Speaker 3: watch people who were overweight be tortured basically to be
Speaker 3: able to then get skinned life like we loved the
Speaker 3: suffering of it, which is like now with the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four lens is so absolutely, so fucking gross.
Speaker 2: But I'm sure she probably also thinks it's gross.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think it lands now And I had
Speaker 1: that conversation on the show with Michelle. But I didn't
Speaker 1: love the suffering. I love the transformations. I love transformations
Speaker 1: of anything, a garden before and after a house renovation,
Speaker 1: a person's life, like the overhaul. Like she's like, I
Speaker 1: get that things will be different now, but she's like,
Speaker 1: I know the lives we change, And the way she
Speaker 1: spoke about it, she's like, they wanted to be there
Speaker 1: and do it, and she's like, and there's so much
Speaker 1: stuff you didn't see after it. She's like, I was
Speaker 1: with them all night. We were always talking and and
Speaker 1: help being And the way she spoke about it, I
Speaker 1: was like, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 3: It's just the humiliation aspect of getting people to get
Speaker 3: almost naked and stand on scales like that part of it.
Speaker 3: And that's what I mean by, you know, the suffering.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that people got a kick out of it,
Speaker 3: but it was part of the show, right, like watching
Speaker 3: people break down crying. It was that vulnerability aspect that
Speaker 3: we would never stand for that now, like no one
Speaker 3: would watch that. Everyone'd be up in arms, in the
Speaker 3: same way that when I say this thing about Christy
Speaker 3: Swan from Big Brother back in twenty thirteen, we would
Speaker 3: riot if that happened now, Like when it comes to
Speaker 3: reality TV in the last ten years, the world has
Speaker 3: changed so much, which it absolutely needed to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's like, yeah, we'll have a whole nother
Speaker 1: convo about that.
Speaker 2: But other people like Ellie Cole.
Speaker 1: We've had Ellie on the podcast, but she is I mean,
Speaker 1: I even got to see another side of Ellie, Like
Speaker 1: at the end of the day we interviewed Ellie and
Speaker 1: we were friends on social media, but I didn't know
Speaker 1: what like I do now. She's so fucking funny and
Speaker 1: such a boss in there, Like I just take my
Speaker 1: hat off to it. It was such a hard environment
Speaker 1: and for her to be in there with her prosthesis.
Speaker 1: And I say that because there is a lot of
Speaker 1: up and down, hiking and walking. It's definitely not easy.
Speaker 1: A lot of the trials were really hard, but she
Speaker 1: just killed it. She never complains. Everything's funny. She makes
Speaker 1: a joke of everything. Obviously, Callum, I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was shown. Calum and I got along really well.
Speaker 1: He's very funny guy, very funny Pete, believe it or not,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they showed.
Speaker 2: A lot of that.
Speaker 1: I had a lot of really great conversations with Pete.
Speaker 1: He reminded me a lot of my dad. And he'll
Speaker 1: hate that because he'll be like, we're friends, We're not
Speaker 1: your dad. But the way he spoke about his kids
Speaker 1: and his wife was he just reminded me of my dad.
Speaker 1: He just he worships the ground that his family walks on.
Speaker 1: And he's such a sweet man, very unique sense of humor.
Speaker 1: And I had a lot of time for him, and
Speaker 1: he had a lot of time for me, which I appreciated.
Speaker 1: You know, he was very interested in my life and
Speaker 1: very curious, and not a lot of people in there were,
Speaker 1: so I loved that he had genuine questions about you know,
Speaker 1: people we've interviewed, things I've.
Speaker 2: Done, travel, whatever. So we had a lot of really
Speaker 2: great conversations.
Speaker 3: What about Callum And the reason why I asked this
Speaker 3: is because I think the version of him that we
Speaker 3: see on the show, and I might be just like
Speaker 3: drawing parallels, but I think a part of it is
Speaker 3: an act. And I say that because he comes across
Speaker 3: as so lovably stupid, But I actually think he's not
Speaker 3: stupid at all, and I think he's very good at
Speaker 3: making good TV. I think he knows how to get
Speaker 3: soundbites and do reality TV.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I think that's probably accurate, and I can say that
Speaker 1: I don't know Callum on the outside.
Speaker 2: I only know he knew him in the show.
Speaker 1: But we all saw each other off camera and on camera,
Speaker 1: and he was definitely one hundred miles an hour on camera,
Speaker 1: and he slept all day off camera. But you can't
Speaker 1: also hold that against someone because we also making a
Speaker 1: TV show. Well, yeah, the cameras come on and you
Speaker 1: give energy, like that's what you do. So I'm not
Speaker 1: holding that part against him at all.
Speaker 2: We all did it.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's as dumb as he lets on
Speaker 1: at all. I think he's got a lot more upstairs,
Speaker 1: but in different ways. So like if he's really interested
Speaker 1: in something, he's really smart with it. Like so he
Speaker 1: he did like two years of a physio degree, which
Speaker 1: is really hard.
Speaker 2: He studied nutrition and pete really really.
Speaker 1: Difficult, but that's his forte, Like that's what he's interested
Speaker 1: in his own life. There are definitely some things that
Speaker 1: he didn't know that were real, like there are spec
Speaker 1: but then at the end of the day, I think
Speaker 1: he probably just leant into it a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which is what TV is.
Speaker 1: He got great one liners, great sound bites, and those
Speaker 1: one liners and stuff like that that is callum Like
Speaker 1: he spits that out left, right and center and is
Speaker 1: very funny. His accent helps a lot, and like the
Speaker 1: lingo helps a lot. I laughed at him all the
Speaker 1: time and it was genuine How many hours a day
Speaker 1: are you actually filming? So like when you wake up
Speaker 1: in the morning, so it's you're on from the minute
Speaker 1: you wake up. The cameras are on all night, they
Speaker 1: get you away you're sleeping, so you never you're always on.
Speaker 1: You're always And do they come and tell you, okay, guys,
Speaker 1: you need to bring lift the energy in camp.
Speaker 3: You need to do something like do they produce you
Speaker 3: at all? Or do they just leave you to the
Speaker 3: kind of like fuck around and talk. It's the most
Speaker 3: unproduced show I've seen. But they do produce you when
Speaker 3: they have to, and that's only when. And you're a
Speaker 3: couple of days deep of zero calories, no food, and
Speaker 3: you are struggling.
Speaker 2: You cannot even get up to walk down to wash up.
Speaker 1: And they see that, right, So when they see everyone
Speaker 1: and you know, Callum sleeping for thirteen hours a day,
Speaker 1: they're like, Callum, get up.
Speaker 2: He's like, bro, I can't. I do not have the
Speaker 2: energy to get up. So they'll send a banana. Is
Speaker 2: a banana, Yep.
Speaker 1: They send the banana in and that you pick up.
Speaker 1: And if they need you to do something active, if
Speaker 1: they know that there's like a dancing challenge where you're
Speaker 1: going to dance all day, they'll send in a banana
Speaker 1: or an orange. That's it, that one thing, one thing
Speaker 1: to keep you going. But it's only produced when we've
Speaker 1: been sloss for days. They're like, okay, we're actually trying
Speaker 1: to make sure you need to give us something.
Speaker 3: Was there anything about the whole experience that you were
Speaker 3: disappointed in or wasn't as you expected.
Speaker 2: It to be. I didn't think the food would be real.
Speaker 1: I knew that i'd be hungry, but I thought that'd
Speaker 1: slip you more secret food when you were struggling.
Speaker 2: But I, like, I.
Speaker 1: Didn't go in with a lot to lose, and I
Speaker 1: lost five and a half kilos in four weeks.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. Four weeks and the boys lost ten kilos.
Speaker 3: It also makes me worried though, like if anybody went
Speaker 3: into that environment who had any sort of like disordered eating,
Speaker 3: like undiagnosed disordered eating, or like poor relationship with food,
Speaker 3: like that feels like a really dangerous thing to do. Well.
Speaker 1: I guess that's why you do so many like mental
Speaker 1: health checks before, Like you have a psychologist.
Speaker 2: The psychologist is there, they are watching you.
Speaker 1: Do you get weight when you go in and then
Speaker 1: when you leave immediately and they're watching. They know you're
Speaker 1: going to lose weight, but still monitored, right, they know
Speaker 1: that I think it's eight hundred calories absolute minimum and
Speaker 1: that can't be two many days in a row. So
Speaker 1: they monitor if you guys are getting really small amounts,
Speaker 1: if we're not winning any food at night, which we
Speaker 1: want a lot of food, but if you're not winning much,
Speaker 1: they'll send something in in the day. If you're going
Speaker 1: on a trial that's really high energy, they have like
Speaker 1: a little secret music bar that's made up on site
Speaker 1: of all the grains and stuff that are high energy.
Speaker 1: But yeah, from for someone of my size. So we
Speaker 1: have still lost five and a half kilos.
Speaker 3: That's how real it is so much such a short
Speaker 3: period of time, because really, as I mean, from when
Speaker 3: you left to now that you're back, it was like
Speaker 3: what five and a half weeks in total?
Speaker 1: Four weeks, yes, but four weeks of the show, which
Speaker 1: is the controlled eating four weeks and the last week
Speaker 1: we ate a lot. Like they get they start to
Speaker 1: give you treats like you win a cake, here, you
Speaker 1: have your buffet breakfast.
Speaker 3: There were so many questions that came in, but one
Speaker 3: of the big ones is, obviously there's a charity element
Speaker 3: to the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Do you also get paid? Do we get paid?
Speaker 1: You get Oh yes, you have to get paid because
Speaker 1: you give up your job. A lot of people won't
Speaker 1: get paid from their work. I had to take some
Speaker 1: leave without pay radio. So people negotiate whatever they think
Speaker 1: they need to go in in complete honesty. They offered
Speaker 1: me a number to go in, and I said no,
Speaker 1: because it didn't even cover I would lose money, That's
Speaker 1: what it was.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, that's all we have, and I was like,
Speaker 2: that's okay.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, but like, I can't do it for
Speaker 1: that with what Yeah, So they renegotiated for me and
Speaker 1: everyone had different salaries, but no one talks about it.
Speaker 2: No one you can tell who got Frankie would have
Speaker 2: got the most, I think.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if it's come out publicly,
Speaker 3: but Sky did so Sky Pete Deppler who works with
Speaker 3: kJ Karlan Jackie. If anyone doesn't know, they'll ask any
Speaker 3: question right, They don't care. And Sky answered answered it
Speaker 3: without realizing that it was embargoed. She was like, I
Speaker 3: got paid this much, so if you guys want to look,
Speaker 3: I don't want to say it in case it hasn't.
Speaker 2: Made it up.
Speaker 1: But Sky is hilarious because they called her because she
Speaker 1: just wants to be on reality TV. She hasn't been
Speaker 1: on six just twenty so they called her and said,
Speaker 1: would you like to do it?
Speaker 2: She goes, I'll do it for free. You don't have
Speaker 2: to pay me. I said, Sky, why did you tell
Speaker 2: them you'll do it for free? I was like, because
Speaker 2: I just wanted to be on TV. And I was like, bro,
Speaker 2: it's a still a job, like you will be for free.
Speaker 2: They will use you for free.
Speaker 3: Chanel ten they need all the money they can get,
Speaker 3: so big A lot of court cases at the moment,
Speaker 3: fucking noll Okay, well, I'm leaving the spiciest one to last.
Speaker 3: And some sicko wanted to know, did anybody or were
Speaker 3: you able to self pleasure in the time went off?
Speaker 3: Did you give you not one out while you were
Speaker 3: in there? Did you finger blast yourself whilst you were
Speaker 3: in camp?
Speaker 2: Ild you fifteen? Oh, I'm the one who's look it
Speaker 2: too far? Yeah, finger blast, rub one out.
Speaker 1: It's better than finger blast. Ew that your rank not
Speaker 1: a funny question. And lots of people ask that you can.
Speaker 1: Of course, you can do what you want, but you
Speaker 1: would I guess you would go to the toilet to
Speaker 1: do it because you're not.
Speaker 2: Gonna No one's masturbating and a drop toilet. No. So
Speaker 2: this is what Callum said, right. Callum put it in
Speaker 2: a really great way.
Speaker 1: He's like, the chick of my dreams could walk in
Speaker 1: here right now and want to bang, and I wouldn't
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 2: He's like, I do not have the energy to even perform.
Speaker 2: I don't have the energy to even lay here.
Speaker 1: You're so depleted that you're not horny because there's this
Speaker 1: you can't But I did often wake up with my
Speaker 1: hand on my boob or because I sleep like that anyway,
Speaker 1: like that me holding my boob is a comfort thing.
Speaker 1: I always wake up like that. And sometimes my hand
Speaker 1: was like, oh, my crutch, but I was just holding it. You.
Speaker 2: I forgot about this.
Speaker 3: It was the exit into you for Michelle Bridges, and
Speaker 3: they like flashed back to Camp Live and you were
Speaker 3: just laying there with your hand in your pants, just
Speaker 3: like that's my card and it's stayed on the It
Speaker 3: stayed on you for an uncomfortable amount of time and
Speaker 3: it was just you with your hands and your pants
Speaker 3: holding your vagina.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They didn't just go to another shot. They just stayed
Speaker 3: on your lock shot of you with your hands in
Speaker 3: your pants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why would you. It's nothing to be ashamed of.
Speaker 2: Nothing if your best life. It's always been my comfort thing.
Speaker 2: So like literally even you're like, yeah, I know, I
Speaker 2: do it as well. Just hold your vagina. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like a man holding cupping his but or
Speaker 2: your boob, your boom.
Speaker 3: I hold my bo Yeah, a boob is fine. I
Speaker 3: feel like a boob is less because it's usually on
Speaker 3: the outside. If you were like in your top just
Speaker 3: holding a titty.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and also the crime. I'm hoping.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping no one saw me holding my crush because
Speaker 1: it was in my sleeping bag asleep.
Speaker 2: No, you were holding your crutch.
Speaker 1: I mean when I woke up, when I didn't know
Speaker 1: I was doing it because there was a lot because
Speaker 1: I was like, what else was I subconsciously? So yeah,
Speaker 1: there's definitely no one's masturbating. But like, yeah, if you
Speaker 1: ever saw me with my hands on private parts of
Speaker 1: my own private plants, it's a comfort thing.
Speaker 2: I've done it. I've always done it, always do it.
Speaker 2: I'm not ashamed of it.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: Well, I known usually on a Tuesday's episode we will
Speaker 3: do suck and Sweet, but we figured it, Brit since
Speaker 3: you've had zero fairtime on this podcast in the last
Speaker 3: x amount of weeks and you guys know exactly what's
Speaker 3: been happening in Keisha in my life, we wanted to
Speaker 3: just do a jungle suck and Sweet.
Speaker 2: So I think it's gonna be a little bit different.
Speaker 3: But what was the worst thing that happened whilst you
Speaker 3: were on the show.
Speaker 1: The worst thing was probably like for me in terms
Speaker 1: of trials, was the pignipple. For sure, there eating trial
Speaker 1: for me. I knew it was gonna be bad. I
Speaker 1: didn't even eat meat really when I went into the
Speaker 1: jungle pignipples on.
Speaker 2: It makes me feel sick to think about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was actually vomitous. And can I just say
Speaker 1: my defense. I know that I was the only one
Speaker 1: that vomited in that in all of eating trials. There
Speaker 1: is a reason. And Robert told me, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it made it to air yet, but what I
Speaker 1: ate was pig nipples on a stink bug smashed together cake.
Speaker 1: And the stink bugs have this protection mechanism. The whole
Speaker 1: reason that they survive and they don't get eaten by
Speaker 1: animals is they smell so bad and they release this
Speaker 1: thing in their mouth that is so potent that animals
Speaker 1: physically can't swallow them. You vomited up, and that is
Speaker 1: the reason I was swallowing it. It was getting down
Speaker 1: to like my collar bones and coming back up like
Speaker 1: my body was like, fuck, no, it's impossible. As much
Speaker 1: as it's mind over matter, it's not. This was a
Speaker 1: This was a visual reaction from my body that was
Speaker 1: expelling the stink bug. And I could feel the nipples
Speaker 1: like tickling the goddess.
Speaker 2: Like the back of my throat. It was disgusting.
Speaker 3: So then because they only showed a little bit, they
Speaker 3: showed it and made it look like you kind of
Speaker 3: just gagged it up.
Speaker 2: Oh, they had to cut it ten minutes. Vomiting projected
Speaker 2: like horrific, like that that trial.
Speaker 1: That was sitting in my mouth for twenty minutes with
Speaker 1: my mouth closed, trying to swallow back up, keeping it in.
Speaker 1: So I tried so hard and they couldn't. Just everyone
Speaker 1: was like, you can do it, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I physically can't. It's going down and my body is
Speaker 1: expelling it.
Speaker 2: Vomited everywhere. But they had to cut all that because
Speaker 2: it was not very nice. That's disgusting. So that was
Speaker 2: the worst.
Speaker 3: I don't understand why they air that at seven point
Speaker 3: thirty at dinner time.
Speaker 2: No one can watch it.
Speaker 3: It is honestly the most watching someone almost vomit is
Speaker 3: worse than vomiting yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the gag, but I ate the intestine thing. That
Speaker 2: was disgusting.
Speaker 3: Michelle Bridges did it for the team. Ate three penises.
Speaker 3: I'd rather eat a dick, h the same. I've eaten
Speaker 3: three dicks in my life at.
Speaker 2: The same time, Give me a penis any day. Of
Speaker 2: the week.
Speaker 1: Give me skies vagina not skies, vagina sky ate a
Speaker 1: vagina sky ate a sheep fanny.
Speaker 2: Great piece of meat. Even had clitters on it. But
Speaker 2: she was like, it was fine. Sheep clitteris Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was ate clitters. It had a full vagina. It had
Speaker 2: so funny. Yeah, I had the flaps and then the clitter.
Speaker 2: It was a flat. It's a sheep flap. It was
Speaker 2: a fanny flap. There's a sheep fanny the labyer. Someone's
Speaker 2: going to come to us.
Speaker 3: Someone will listen to this podcast and be like, I
Speaker 3: call it what it is.
Speaker 1: It's funny to say sheated sheep's fanny flap with a clitters.
Speaker 1: So she actually said that was pretty good. It was
Speaker 1: just like a bit of meat.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was. It wasn't Tristan the one that
Speaker 2: was like, I'll have some of that hat, dude, Tristan.
Speaker 2: I've never seen anyone eat a test e like Tristan.
Speaker 2: It he sucked the testing down hole. He was blood
Speaker 2: on it. Oh, are they cooked? Is the meat cooked?
Speaker 1: It has to be cooked to whatever level is safe
Speaker 1: to consume, so it's like boiled.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't. Yes, it doesn't. Man they do not
Speaker 2: taste like that.
Speaker 3: They haven't cooked it with that, and they cooked with
Speaker 3: herbs and spices, they just they blanchet.
Speaker 2: I'm not convinced my intestines were cooked. I am not convinced. No,
Speaker 2: because awful.
Speaker 3: It would have been awful when it's cooked goes like
Speaker 3: white and okay, stop, Yeah, I was awful bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, have you ever eaten cooked tripe? Well,
Speaker 2: we had one.
Speaker 1: Night we had awful for dinner in a fat membrane.
Speaker 1: That was our that was our star dinner.
Speaker 2: We won that. It was the worst time in my
Speaker 2: life were You're just like, what the fuck is this?
Speaker 2: Absolute fuckery.
Speaker 1: I think that's the only time they showed me in
Speaker 1: the first two weeks was like I'm not fucking eating that.
Speaker 2: That's like, this is not a prize. Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: not a prize. This is mean. And then my.
Speaker 1: Sweet of the whole show, my favorite favorite day was
Speaker 1: towards the end, Stephen Callum and I did a trial
Speaker 1: that was the worst school kindibal ever and we were like,
Speaker 1: spun around on this thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was funny. I off camera, I cannot
Speaker 2: tell you.
Speaker 1: We laughed hysterically from the moment we walked in and
Speaker 1: for like five hours later we could not We're on
Speaker 1: the ground in hysterics, like so much was happening, and
Speaker 1: that was what I needed to keep me going because
Speaker 1: I was like, this is the day I needed in
Speaker 1: the jungle, the hands down the best day.
Speaker 3: Callum was in a sack with poison, I stinging nettle.
Speaker 3: Stinging netles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was a spinny thing they cut. I
Speaker 1: wish I could find I'll try and find the raw
Speaker 1: material of me. It was like something was going I
Speaker 1: was so much lighter than the boys. They even said
Speaker 1: after it, I thought I was going to die. I
Speaker 1: was screaming for help. I was like, my head is
Speaker 1: coming off my body and my hands were being ropped
Speaker 1: off my back like my body was contorting, and even
Speaker 1: Stephen and Callum were like, I don't think this is right.
Speaker 2: And then after it the production.
Speaker 1: Team were like, well, we didn't expect that to happen,
Speaker 1: and I was like, where it's risky when you need him? Well,
Speaker 1: they were just laughing. They were like, I think she's okay,
Speaker 1: but my head was, my body was an angle it
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been and I could not control it.
Speaker 2: It was so funny.
Speaker 3: It's like when you go on Have you ever been
Speaker 3: on the gravitron at like the Easter Carnival where you
Speaker 3: get sucked.
Speaker 2: To the wall. It was like that on steroids.
Speaker 3: So I when I was really little, I must have
Speaker 3: been like ten years old. My mum let me go
Speaker 3: on that and I vomited. But if you vomit on
Speaker 3: the gravitron, the vomit, well, the vomit doesn't go anywhere.
Speaker 3: The vomit stays still, but everyone else spins around the vomit.
Speaker 3: So everyone on the gravitron got smacked by my vomit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was bad. It was really bad. And
Speaker 2: I do have an accilan filtered from the Jungle.
Speaker 1: I feel like the funniest parts of the Jungle were
Speaker 1: and I don't think they would have ever shown it.
Speaker 2: But it was at night time, so everything's quiet starting.
Speaker 1: Oh, it was like an orchestra, and like I'd often
Speaker 1: be the last to go to bed, it was an orchestra.
Speaker 2: Callum was the worst.
Speaker 1: I could hear hi from across the being, but everyone
Speaker 1: was just letting rip the women and the men, but
Speaker 1: they're asleep, so you don't know. But it was like
Speaker 1: the whole night, and I just thought this would have
Speaker 1: been the best montage.
Speaker 2: Did you try and figure out who had done it?
Speaker 2: I told everyone every morning. I was like, who wants
Speaker 2: to know who?
Speaker 1: Fun?
Speaker 2: And I would just tell.
Speaker 3: Them but it was hilarious, so completely asleep doing it,
Speaker 3: although was just like whatever, I didn't care.
Speaker 2: No, they're asleep. Yeah, yeah, they were asleep. No one
Speaker 2: actually was walking around letting them rip.
Speaker 1: The best montage the production I think should have put
Speaker 1: a montage of farting together.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy that you're back.
Speaker 3: I'm so happy that I hope you got out of
Speaker 3: it what you went in there for.
Speaker 1: I wanted to win, so okay, you did it. I
Speaker 1: hope you got something out of it.
Speaker 3: But also, I mean, I think it's so cool to
Speaker 3: be able to say yes to these opportunities where you
Speaker 3: do things that put you so far outside your comfort
Speaker 3: zone you don't know what it is that it's almost
Speaker 3: like you can't go in there with an expectation around
Speaker 3: what you want out of it because you don't know
Speaker 3: what you're expecting. And I think every reality TV show
Speaker 3: is kind of like that, where you're like, you know
Speaker 3: the beast of it, but at the same time, you
Speaker 3: really don't know what it is that you're going to
Speaker 3: feel or how you're going to think about it because
Speaker 3: it's a completely foreign experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I genuinely I say I wanted to win,
Speaker 2: of course I did.
Speaker 1: You want to win for your charity and you go
Speaker 1: in there and go through it all for that point.
Speaker 1: But I loved every second. I had a great time.
Speaker 1: I made friends. It was a once in a lifetime opportunity.
Speaker 1: And I just want to thank all you guys for
Speaker 1: supporting me. And I know how many of you were
Speaker 1: sending the votes and obviously not enough, but Levene on
Speaker 1: every episode we drilled that. People were so amazing, like
Speaker 1: everyone's sharing on socials.
Speaker 2: Everyone, and I know you guys.
Speaker 1: I thank you so much for your support because I
Speaker 1: have seen it since I've come out and it really
Speaker 1: warmed my heart.
Speaker 2: And for producing Keisha and Johnno when you lare holding.
Speaker 1: Down the fort doing my socials, doing such an amazing
Speaker 1: job and supporting me from the outside.
Speaker 3: But anyway, guys, that is it from us. We've beack
Speaker 3: tomorrow with an interview episode and then things are back
Speaker 3: just as they were, like nothing ever happened. Yeah, Like
Speaker 3: I never left alright, Well that's it, you know, the true.
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