Speaker 1: Kiday, Peter Hellyer here, welcome to you.
Speaker 2: Ain't seen nothing yet the movie podcast. We're outch out
Speaker 2: to a movie lover about a classical beloved the movie
Speaker 2: they haven't quite got around to watching until now. And
Speaker 2: today's returning guests is none of that. The comedian broadcaster
Speaker 2: writer Anthony Limo leman.
Speaker 3: All below. I want to stay here with you, go
Speaker 3: to the jobble.
Speaker 4: My hat, snake sucked my hail.
Speaker 2: They couldn't happening right.
Speaker 4: So you don't see nothing.
Speaker 2: Yes, the great thing about a returning guess is I
Speaker 2: don't have to bang on as much as I did
Speaker 2: the first time. But I'm so stoked to have Limo
Speaker 2: back in the studio with me. His last three favorite
Speaker 2: films Word, The Life of Brian, Pulp Fiction, and The
Speaker 2: Blues Brothers. We'll get to his next three favorite films soon.
Speaker 2: Limo is just a bloody fun guy to hang around with.
Speaker 2: He is and it'scychopedia when it comes to stories.
Speaker 1: He knows so many stories.
Speaker 2: He's basically, if you have a dinner party and you
Speaker 2: have access to Limo, if you have his phone number
Speaker 2: or email, we may we may give out later on.
Speaker 2: Let's keep listening get on to him and get him.
Speaker 2: He's a middle seat guy at a dinner party. If
Speaker 2: you've seen the episode of Gooby Your Enthusiasm, the middle
Speaker 2: seat is the guy who can hold it together and
Speaker 2: bring people in and tell stories. Limo is that kind
Speaker 2: of guy. He's the guy you want at your dinner party.
Speaker 2: I've had the pleasure of having him in my life
Speaker 2: for many years. We first met well basically through he
Speaker 2: was doing radio in Adelaide, but then he brought him
Speaker 2: over and he was basically running Adelaide Comedy there for
Speaker 2: a little while with great mate also Justin Hamilton and
Speaker 2: Mickey d and Craig Egan, who's Craig Egan still doing
Speaker 2: great job in the Adelaide with the Rhino Room, and
Speaker 2: then we just became mate. He came over to do
Speaker 2: before the game and things kicked off from there. I
Speaker 2: haven't been able to get rid of him since then.
Speaker 2: But you'd know Lima for many years of He's done radio,
Speaker 2: he's done TV, like I said that before the Game,
Speaker 2: for the duration of that show, and more recently you've
Speaker 2: seen him on The Brilliant Utopia and The Great Minds
Speaker 2: at Working Dog playing Jim. I'll say this. I saw
Speaker 2: Limo in that role, and I saw him. He gave
Speaker 2: me a little short film that he did. I don't
Speaker 2: think I was seen by anybody, but he was him
Speaker 2: in a some kind of little soccer movie and I
Speaker 2: watched it and I said, mate, you're a good actor.
Speaker 2: You can act. Do more of it. So I was
Speaker 2: stoked when I heard that he was cast in Working
Speaker 2: Dog's Utopia, and he bloody delivers. He is brilliant as
Speaker 2: Jim in a cast full of brilliant performances by of
Speaker 2: course Rob Sich and Silly Pacola and over the years
Speaker 2: Lee McGregor had dealer with Dry Singer, a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of great performances that Dave Lawson.
Speaker 1: But he's really great in it.
Speaker 2: So catch up on the on the latest season of
Speaker 2: Utopia on iView. And also you can catch him on
Speaker 2: to blem on Sunday mornings on Dead Set Legends, because
Speaker 2: he is in fact a Dead Set Legend. I'm bloody
Speaker 2: stoked to have Lima hanging with me today.
Speaker 4: Hello, this is Laima, and it's wonderful to be on.
Speaker 4: You ain't seen nothing yet. My next three favorite films, Godfather.
Speaker 5: And A Month from Navis.
Speaker 6: I with big show's going to give you what too much?
Speaker 2: It's too late. They started shooting in a week.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna make them an off again.
Speaker 4: Refuse lockstock and two smoking barrels armed?
Speaker 6: What do you mean? Armed? Armed with what?
Speaker 4: Bad breath?
Speaker 5: Colorful language? Feather duster? What do you think they're going
Speaker 5: to be armed with guns?
Speaker 6: You tit?
Speaker 4: And the Coen Brothers classic Oh brother, We're up down?
Speaker 2: Where did they well?
Speaker 7: Give you a few?
Speaker 5: So with the timing the play sere it gets a
Speaker 5: real good oh son for that.
Speaker 4: You're traded, You're everlasting soul?
Speaker 2: Well will you?
Speaker 4: And up until last night, I had never seen the
Speaker 4: movie Chinatown.
Speaker 2: A Yes, who would have thought of films set in
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty seven about the Los Angeles waterways and incests
Speaker 2: would eventually be considered one of the greatest films ever.
Speaker 2: It's certainly one of the great screenplays by Robert Town,
Speaker 2: who also wrote The Last Detail Shampoo, mccayb and Missus Miller,
Speaker 2: Mission Impossible, and Dasa Thunder. It also nabbed Chinatown's only oscar.
Speaker 2: When knock About, Jake Giddis Jack Nicholson is hired by
Speaker 2: a certain Missus Evelyn Mulway to investigate her philandering husband,
Speaker 2: Hollis Mulway, the chief engineer of the Los Angeles Water Department.
Speaker 2: Things aren't quite what they've seen. What seems like an
Speaker 2: open and shutcase becomes about much more than adultery, and
Speaker 2: Jake Giddies is about to learn that evil lurks all
Speaker 2: around the city of Angels. It's even in the water.
Speaker 2: This is filmmaking at its highest peak. The direction by
Speaker 2: the infamous Roman Polanski, scored by Jerry Goldsmith, produced by
Speaker 2: the legendary Robert Evans, who also famously put together The Godfather,
Speaker 2: with stunning performances throughout from Jack Nicholson, who Mind You
Speaker 2: is in every scene, alongside Fade, Dunaway, Bunny and Clyde,
Speaker 2: Network and ten time Oscar nominated legend John Houston, the
Speaker 2: Treasure of Sierra Madre African Queen who was also the
Speaker 2: original Gandalff in nineteen seventy sevens The Hobbit Charlatan keeps
Speaker 2: asking questions and keeps us guessing and comes home in
Speaker 2: stunning circumstances that leaves the audience reeling LIMO, have you
Speaker 2: ever had your schnoz slice with a knife?
Speaker 4: I've never had my schnoz slice for the Knight. I've
Speaker 4: had a broken once playing footy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was as part of a warning by some
Speaker 2: local goons.
Speaker 4: It was a teammate who was running through a bank
Speaker 4: trying to elbow and opposition player and missed him completely
Speaker 4: and got me right in the nose.
Speaker 2: Friendly fire.
Speaker 4: Friendly fire. And his name was Jason Leman. Not related,
Speaker 4: but it was a it feels like a start of
Speaker 4: Chinatown investigation. Things aren't always what they seem. Indeed, something
Speaker 4: did he work for the waterways? He worked for Adelaide
Speaker 4: water He could have would have I don't know. But
Speaker 4: what an extraordinary film.
Speaker 2: And this is a big one. We did Psycho a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago with Frooms and when I was
Speaker 2: watching that and as we're recording, it really dawned on
Speaker 2: me that was a major film. Like doing Psycho was
Speaker 2: the first Hitchcock film we've covered on this podcast. But
Speaker 2: that is like it it's the modern you know, the
Speaker 2: modern horror at the beginning of like, it's that kind
Speaker 2: of horror film, and it was. It was a huge
Speaker 2: film that lives in the public Psyche. I'm not sut
Speaker 2: necessarily Chinatown lives in the psyche the same way as
Speaker 2: a psycho does. But it is considered one of the
Speaker 2: great screenplayers by Robert Town I think in the American
Speaker 2: AFI it's number three, after Casablanca and The Godfather.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. And if you well, you would be familiar with
Speaker 4: a guy called sid Field, yes, who has written the
Speaker 4: number of books about screenwriting. And I've read a few
Speaker 4: of sid Field's books and he always references. His favorite
Speaker 4: references are Filma and Luise, Butchcasid in the San Dance Kid,
Speaker 4: and Chinatown. They for him the three sort of standout
Speaker 4: screenplays that he references throughout his books.
Speaker 2: Well, so Sidfield would be a very happy you ain
Speaker 2: see nothing yet listener, because we have now as of today,
Speaker 2: covered off those three films. So I said, you're welcome.
Speaker 4: And he and and I know he's a b I
Speaker 4: know he's a big fan of the podcast. So I
Speaker 4: always knew it was a great film, But for some
Speaker 4: reason I was never really compelled to watch it though,
Speaker 4: like Film and Luise, I love, Butchcast and Sundan It's
Speaker 4: going I love, But for some reason I just never
Speaker 4: turned on.
Speaker 2: It's not a sexy film. And we'll obviously get into
Speaker 2: what you thought of it and what you made of it.
Speaker 2: And it's so much to discuss this with this film,
Speaker 2: but I think the thing is Chinatown, the way it
Speaker 2: doesn't live in the public psyche. It is not necessarily
Speaker 2: there's a great line that is out. If you're a
Speaker 2: movie lover, you probably know the line you forget it
Speaker 2: Jacobs Chinatown.
Speaker 6: Jack gets chair in Town.
Speaker 2: But outside of that, if you describe the movie to somebody,
Speaker 2: it doesn't hook you in. There's there's not an in
Speaker 2: built hook. Like I said, it's about the you know,
Speaker 2: the corruption in the waterways in Los Angeles and incests like.
Speaker 4: It's you know, the It reminded me a little bit
Speaker 4: because essentially it's about water theft or water manipulation. Yes,
Speaker 4: really when Utopia, if I can just be a little
Speaker 4: self referential Jim's Gyms in the House, the TV series Utopia,
Speaker 4: when we won a LOGI for the first season of
Speaker 4: Utopia and Rob Stitch in his speech said, well, who
Speaker 4: would have thought a comedy about infrastructure would prove to
Speaker 4: be so popular? And I just thought of that line
Speaker 4: when I was looking at this. I mean, it's es Senise,
Speaker 4: it's about water manipulation. I mean, if you pitch that
Speaker 4: to someone, they'd go bad pass.
Speaker 2: I know. And it's what's interesting is Robert Evans, Bob
Speaker 2: Evans puts this together. He's a producer, and there's one
Speaker 2: other producer who's like an associate producer, who is probably
Speaker 2: getting in coffee. Now apologies, that might be disrespectful to
Speaker 2: the other producer. Maybe he had a lot more to
Speaker 2: I'm sure he probably did have. He was doing a
Speaker 2: lot more things. But this is back in the day
Speaker 2: where there were one or two producers. Now you look
Speaker 2: at you know, you look at the credits for movies,
Speaker 2: they are up to ten twelve producers that the actors
Speaker 2: are now you know, the three leading actors producers on
Speaker 2: the movie.
Speaker 4: You know, when I was driving here, we were chatting
Speaker 4: on the phone and I said to you, I've got
Speaker 4: a little thing I want to say about the writer strike,
Speaker 4: And this is the exact point do it I wanted
Speaker 4: to make. Will you go to a movie these days?
Speaker 4: Barbie has fourteen executive producers. Now someone can honestly go
Speaker 4: and get stuffed. There are not fourteen. Really, I would
Speaker 4: love to go through with a fine tooth cone and
Speaker 4: see exactly what contribution each of those fourteen people made
Speaker 4: to that film. But you see Oppenheimer has six. Good
Speaker 4: on your Oppenheimer mission, Impossible seven has twelve. I mean
Speaker 4: on a really and there is some TV series like Succession.
Speaker 4: I Reckon ended up with about twelve executive producers at
Speaker 4: the end. I would love if I write a strike.
Speaker 4: That's what you should be focusing on. But he kissed
Speaker 4: the producers off because they had chewing up all of
Speaker 4: your coin. And I bet all fourteen of Barbie's producers
Speaker 4: they're getting paid a shed load.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, well, and oftenly it just comes down to you
Speaker 2: have enough power to put it in your contract. Get right,
Speaker 2: Gosling across the line, we need to you know, have it,
Speaker 2: you know. And Margo Robbie, I'm not sure Margo Robbie's
Speaker 2: company was actually involved in it.
Speaker 4: She's an executive producer.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's fair enough if your company, if you
Speaker 2: have a company that is co producing it. But what
Speaker 2: you're right in what are these people actually doing? And
Speaker 2: like I said, outside of the actors who you know,
Speaker 2: we know that sometimes sometimes it is a fandity thing.
Speaker 2: Margot Robbie, I do admire she has a production company
Speaker 2: that is putting work together they did a Tania.
Speaker 1: You know, they're doing what they're doing, good work, but there'll.
Speaker 2: Be some names on that you're think what, like really what,
Speaker 2: and their executive producers, and then you got all the
Speaker 2: producers under the associate producers, you know, underneath that.
Speaker 4: And you get into tens twenty thirty of them. I
Speaker 4: saw Jerry Seinfeld being interviewed by Jimmy Fallon and they
Speaker 4: were talking about this type of thing, and Jerry Seinfeld
Speaker 4: said to Jimmy Fallon in a really awkward moment, he goes,
Speaker 4: I bet you see at least a dozen names on
Speaker 4: the credits of your own show and you have no
Speaker 4: idea what those people do. And Jimmy Fallon didn't really
Speaker 4: answer the question, but me made the point. He said,
Speaker 4: it's the same. There are hangers on everywhere in entertainment
Speaker 4: who were just sucking cornerway while writers and actors who
Speaker 4: deserve the money, yeah, striking because they're not getting it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, And back in the day when Bob Evans
Speaker 2: was a producer, like because I often get asked what
Speaker 2: the producers do and sometimes like, yeah, I'm not really sure,
Speaker 2: and they think there's somebody who got a lime producer.
Speaker 2: They're very important that they basically do run the show.
Speaker 2: They're one a trying run the show. But what like a.
Speaker 1: Producer like Robert Evans they should be doing.
Speaker 2: And what he did was almost like a conduit between
Speaker 2: the studio and the and the director if you like,
Speaker 2: or the creators. Yeah, so they and if they're a
Speaker 2: good producer, which Bob Evans you know was even though
Speaker 2: him and a couple of fell out, but a good
Speaker 2: producer should have at least a foot and a half
Speaker 2: in the in the in the creators camp, like they
Speaker 2: should kind of be a wall in a way between
Speaker 2: the studio and the artists. And then that sometimes the
Speaker 2: artist has to compromise and you know, we can't do
Speaker 2: it because of budget, and they have to explain, you know,
Speaker 2: working with the artists to kind of achieve the best
Speaker 2: outcome for the project.
Speaker 4: And you're working with the two worst kinds of people.
Speaker 4: You're dealing with artists who are just a bunch of
Speaker 4: ego fueled megalomaniacs. You and I have been present company Yeah,
Speaker 4: president company accepted. And then you're dealing with studio executives
Speaker 4: who are ego driven meglomaniacs and you've got to stand
Speaker 4: in the middle and make both sides happy. That is
Speaker 4: a hard job.
Speaker 2: If you haven't seen the series on Paramount plus the Offer,
Speaker 2: it is the making of The Godfather with Robert Evans.
Speaker 2: It is extraordinary. Matthew Good plays Robert Evans and he
Speaker 2: does an extraordinary job. Well, let's start, actually, let's start there.
Speaker 4: Because well, will we get to this or are we
Speaker 4: going to talk about Bob Evans and Polanski's falling out
Speaker 4: over this film?
Speaker 2: Certainly later, We'll do it later and we'll come back,
Speaker 2: and I just I'll just say right now in case
Speaker 2: I forget, we will. Obviously it's impossib to talk about
Speaker 2: Chinatown without talking about Rohan Polanski. Obviously he is problematic,
Speaker 2: problematic for those who don't know, very couple of caved man.
Speaker 2: He was basically his childhood hiding from the Nazis. There's
Speaker 2: actually a letter in the Shimleer's Museum from an eight
Speaker 2: year old rown Planski. Yeah, a note from him. He
Speaker 2: had his Sharon Tate was made of Sharon Tate. She
Speaker 2: gets murdered by the Manson while carrying his child, well,
Speaker 2: carrying his child, this childe has made four years later,
Speaker 2: but it's important that I say we will be talking
Speaker 2: about Roman Polanski, who is problematic. He was convicted of
Speaker 2: rape of a fourteen year old girl in the in
Speaker 2: the States, and that he's not really face the judicial system,
Speaker 2: what I understand. So we will be talking about him
Speaker 2: from a filmmaking perspective. We do not obviously condone any
Speaker 2: of those acts, obviously, but I just wanted to say
Speaker 2: that when we talk about Polanski, because his genius is
Speaker 2: on show as far as his talent as a filmmaker,
Speaker 2: and that's it. That's how we will be relating to him.
Speaker 4: Hollywood's oddly compromised, isn't it with him? Like they loads
Speaker 4: of people still kind of support him, and I think
Speaker 4: he even got a standing ovation at a reward ceremony
Speaker 4: not that long ago.
Speaker 2: Well, I think one of his film recent films is
Speaker 2: opening the Venice Film Festival.
Speaker 4: It's a it's all very strange now and.
Speaker 1: I think even Woody Allen might be have a film there.
Speaker 4: Great as Bill Gosb We've got a film there as well.
Speaker 2: He's opening He's seeing and that, yes, and you know
Speaker 2: Weinstein and Merrimax films. So I'm purely of the can
Speaker 2: we separate the art from the artists, and certainly in
Speaker 2: today's episode we will be doing that. Let's start with
Speaker 2: The Godfather. You mentioned it as one of your next
Speaker 2: three favorite films. If you miss a start, and if
Speaker 2: you skip through the start, I'm not sure we would,
Speaker 2: but get Life of Brian Blues Brothers in pulp fiction.
Speaker 2: Were your top three films? Great selections? First time round,
Speaker 2: the first time? Yeah, first time, And so now you
Speaker 2: follow up with the three films The Godfather. I always
Speaker 2: say my favorite films are The Godfathers one and two.
Speaker 2: I have parts to a be stick in front of it,
Speaker 2: but I almost have trouble separating them, and I just
Speaker 2: kind of go, it's the Godfather films.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Look, part two has de Niro as the young Godfather,
Speaker 4: and that's just it's so delicious, that whole storyline. But
Speaker 4: for me, Michael taking over from his dad as the
Speaker 4: Godfather in Godfather won the scene where he's in the
Speaker 4: church with the baptism of his son and his goons
Speaker 4: are killing the five heads of the families and mow Green.
Speaker 4: I think that's possibly the greatest scene in the history
Speaker 4: of film because they just and there's not a word
Speaker 4: as spoken no, and it tells you everything about that.
Speaker 4: And then if you're still a little bit confused, the
Speaker 4: final scene of Godfather is also you just can't say
Speaker 4: more without saying anything, because you have Connie runs into
Speaker 4: him first his sister and says, you killed my husband,
Speaker 4: and he's saying, calm down, calm down. Then Connie gets
Speaker 4: taken out. Then his wife says did you kill her?
Speaker 4: He says, don't involve yourself in my business. And he says,
Speaker 4: all right, I'll let you ask one question. She says,
Speaker 4: did you kill her husband? And no, it just lies,
Speaker 4: he just lies, and then she walks out of the
Speaker 4: room and then the door gets slammed in her face.
Speaker 4: And it's say, oh, it's just so perfect.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. It is a perfect film. There's no surprises,
Speaker 2: and it's come up unsurprised, and it's come up a lot.
Speaker 2: Lucky Hume spoke about it in depth obviously, as you
Speaker 2: can imagine. Leams. Yeah, it's perfect.
Speaker 6: Part two.
Speaker 2: I just having in front of it, I think because
Speaker 2: I love the hymen Roth kind of story and the
Speaker 2: performance by Lestrauss and the Fredo Fredo. He's not in
Speaker 2: it much really, he's a bit of a bit part
Speaker 2: player in Part one, but parts I love. It's just heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: You know, he's the black sheep of the family. He
Speaker 2: doesn't quite fit in with the business. Godfather Part two
Speaker 2: wins the Oscar the year Chinatown is nominated.
Speaker 4: That's right. In fact, I think Godfather Too had three
Speaker 4: nominations in Best Supporting Actor, Yes, which was won by
Speaker 4: Denier Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing year. Actually that that year this was talk
Speaker 2: about Chinatown to them was you know oldest.
Speaker 4: Can I give you another one from that year? Yeah,
Speaker 4: not Godfather related. Also nominated for Best Film was Lenny
Speaker 4: Yes with Dustin Hoffman and Faye Dunaway, Who's in Chinatown
Speaker 4: dated Lenny Bruce for a year in the early sixties.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah, they dated, so just an interesting connection.
Speaker 2: Well, the Oscars check this out one by and I
Speaker 2: got to say, and let me know, I mean, I'll
Speaker 2: google him after the show. But Art Carney wins for
Speaker 2: Harry and Tonto, a film I haven't heard of. I mean,
Speaker 2: that must be a killer performance because you've beaten Pacino,
Speaker 2: beaten Pacino, Jack Nicholson, Albert Finney, a murder on the
Speaker 2: Orient Express, and Dustin Hoffman and Lennie that is a
Speaker 2: cracking field. Yeah, Fate Unaway loses to Alan Burston for
Speaker 2: Alice doesn't Live Here Anymore, which is a you know,
Speaker 2: a Scorsese film that doesn't get spoken of enough. She's
Speaker 2: She's great and yeah, Got Father Part two wins. Also
Speaker 2: the Conversation is also in that year, so France for
Speaker 2: Coppola had a big year. Lockstock and two Smoking Barrels,
Speaker 2: a bit of fun from Guy Ritchie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just that film came out in nineteen eighty eight,
Speaker 4: and I'd lived in London ninety five, ninety six to
Speaker 4: ninety seven, so I'd lived there for three years. I'd
Speaker 4: just gotten home, and I just have these beautiful memories
Speaker 4: of going to the cinema and just every my whole
Speaker 4: London experience came flooding back to me. And so that
Speaker 4: was one reason that it really connected to me. And secondly,
Speaker 4: I loved pulp fiction as most people did, and I
Speaker 4: felt I looked at this film and it just felt
Speaker 4: to me like a British pulp fiction.
Speaker 2: I feel that, and I was gonna mention it. I
Speaker 2: feel like Guy Richie was the biggest beneficiary of pulp
Speaker 2: fiction success. Lock Stock is a great film and deserves
Speaker 2: to be made and get up. But I think that
Speaker 2: I reckon his budget probably went up a bit, you know,
Speaker 2: knowing that this, yeah, this captures that pol fiction audience
Speaker 2: and it's different enough to kind of that it's not
Speaker 2: a copy, but it just lives in that kind of
Speaker 2: similar world with that, you know, not the linear, the
Speaker 2: timeframe obviously, the violence, Gangsters. Yeah, I've watched it for
Speaker 2: many years, but it's a cracker.
Speaker 4: It's just such a great film and to me it
Speaker 4: was part of a really exciting time in the UK.
Speaker 4: You had in music, you had Oasis, Blur, brick Pop,
Speaker 4: Spice Girls, right, and then you had this film come
Speaker 4: along as well, and it was a massive time in
Speaker 4: the comedy scene over there and it just for me
Speaker 4: fit perfectly in this sort of resurgence of British pop cultures.
Speaker 4: And it's a really cool film. It's shot beautifully, the
Speaker 4: characters are just classic. It's all East London bother boys,
Speaker 4: you know. And then and to see Jason Statham in,
Speaker 4: I mean he may have done films before that, but
Speaker 4: to me, that's his first film. Yeah, and he's Jason
Speaker 4: Statham is a really funny He entertains me. Jason Satham.
Speaker 4: I know he's done films that people consider shit, but
Speaker 4: he always puts a smile on my face.
Speaker 2: I think what he did, yeah, he was, I believe,
Speaker 2: not a trained actor, Olympic diver and pivoted and I
Speaker 2: think he just plays three strengths. He knows what he
Speaker 2: is good at, you know, in the same way Lee
Speaker 2: Neeson has kind of gone, you know what, these films
Speaker 2: kind of work where you know, I take vengeance on somebody.
Speaker 2: Denzel's even gone down that pathing you know what. They
Speaker 2: were like me being angry and taking revenge on people,
Speaker 2: this kind.
Speaker 4: Of world and you know who tried it, But I
Speaker 4: don't think it's stuck for him. Is Bob Odenkirk, who
Speaker 4: has no better called Saul who made a film where
Speaker 4: he played that type of character?
Speaker 2: Is it Nobody?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: And I watched it, loved it.
Speaker 4: I really enjoyed it, but it just didn't have that
Speaker 4: Liam Neeson Keanu reeves there was almost a Denzel Washington impact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was closer to john Wick that film. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean we all love Bobb Odenkirk obviously, and you know,
Speaker 2: I'll be happy if he doesn't necessarily go down that path.
Speaker 1: Because I think, Yeah, he's great. Oh brother where at now?
Speaker 2: Brothers? Now interesting? This is one I need to watch
Speaker 2: again because I watched it the first time with my
Speaker 2: expectations so high because they were coming off. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure he's a film directly the one after Fargo, but it's.
Speaker 4: It's pretty pretty close. It might have been one in between.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but very excited, and I just didn't get it.
Speaker 2: I thought Clooney kind of overplayed the comedy. I'd love
Speaker 2: to go back and watch it again because I could
Speaker 2: be wrong.
Speaker 4: To me, it was just a joyous ride from start
Speaker 4: to finish. The music really brought it alive for me.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 4: I love the soundtrack and I've listened. I couldn't even
Speaker 4: tell you how many times I've listened to the soundtrack.
Speaker 2: Just good.
Speaker 4: It's like nineteen twenties country hic music and I love it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I love Clooney overplaying the comedy. I think he's
Speaker 4: like Justin Hamilton and I have regular jokes with each
Speaker 4: other about being a Dappradan man because he has to
Speaker 4: have dapper Dan in his hair, which is like a gel.
Speaker 4: And he goes and he's constantly if he loses his
Speaker 4: ten of Dapper Dan. He starts freaking out. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: there's just so many great lines from himhere. He's in
Speaker 4: his shop and he says, can I get some dapper
Speaker 4: Don and they go no, no, no, that's a that'll
Speaker 4: take five days to get here. And he asked for
Speaker 4: something else and they go, no, we're out. That'll take
Speaker 4: five days to get here as well, and he goes, well,
Speaker 4: this place is a geographical normally, it's times from everywhere.
Speaker 4: There's just so many stupid lines in it. And then
Speaker 4: there's the baptism scene down at the river, which is
Speaker 4: just joyous with all the people singing the hymns as
Speaker 4: they walk down to the river. It just it made
Speaker 4: me just so happy.
Speaker 2: This film I had because it's come up a couple
Speaker 2: of times in people's three favorite films, so I do
Speaker 2: need to check it out again. Okay, let's get into this.
Speaker 8: Okay, go home, But in case you're interested, your husband
Speaker 8: was murdered. Somebody has been dumping thousands of tons.
Speaker 2: Of water from the city's reservoirs and we're supposed to
Speaker 2: be in the middle of a drought. He found out
Speaker 2: about it and he was killed.
Speaker 8: There's a waterlog drunk in the Morgue involuntary manslaughter if
Speaker 8: anybody wants to take the trouble, which they don't. It
Speaker 8: seems like half the city is trying to cover it
Speaker 8: all up, which is fine by me. But missus mulray,
Speaker 8: I goddamn near lost my nose and I like it.
Speaker 8: I like breathing through it, and I still think that
Speaker 8: you're hiding something.
Speaker 2: Laimo from nineteen seventy four, directed by the problematic Room Polanski,
Speaker 2: starring Jack Nicholson Fade Down Away, John Houston, written by
Speaker 2: the Legend that is Robert Town, put together by Bob Evans.
Speaker 2: I didn't mention in the intro in my synopsis of it,
Speaker 2: but John a. Alonso is the director of photography and dop.
Speaker 2: It deserves to mention because it's stunning. Did you enjoy
Speaker 2: China Down?
Speaker 4: I absolutely loved it.
Speaker 2: Fantastic.
Speaker 4: That's a good start, yeah, I mean I was confident
Speaker 4: you would. Speaking of the start. Now, this film from
Speaker 4: nineteen to seventy four, I turn it, it's on, stand
Speaker 4: I turn it on. I'm waiting and it hit all
Speaker 4: the credits with the start, which I figure you forget.
Speaker 4: That's what used to happen in films. Yeah, but of
Speaker 4: course now everyone's so people will be walking out of
Speaker 4: the cinema now if you ran the credits at the
Speaker 4: start of a film, because I even found myself going,
Speaker 4: come on, yeah, where's the film? Get on with it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we find Jack Nicholson in his as a
Speaker 2: detective Jake Giddies, and we find him with Pauli from
Speaker 2: Rocky in the in the office. Where do you want
Speaker 2: to start?
Speaker 4: Okay, well, I want to I want to start by
Speaker 4: just saying when the camera comes up on Jack Nicholson
Speaker 4: the first time, my very first thought was he's so cool. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there's just something like Jack Nicholson really does and I
Speaker 4: don't want to sound like a movie wanker here, but
Speaker 4: he really does burst off the screen. Yeah, like I
Speaker 4: found myself. I was distracted by his coolness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he seems effortless. He makes it look effortless, which
Speaker 2: is all part of the job. Let me take you
Speaker 2: through just so Jack Nicholson context where Chinatown fits in
Speaker 2: with his amazing filmography. He kind of burst onto the
Speaker 2: screen in nineteen sixty nine, so that's five years earlier
Speaker 2: with Easy Rider Down the Souper, which kind of was
Speaker 2: one of the revolutionary kind of kind of began almost
Speaker 2: the indie film movement. Five Easy Pieces in nineteen seventy,
Speaker 2: Karlon Knowledge in seventy one, The Last Detail, How He
Speaker 2: Is the Last Detail in seventy three, and Chinatown seventy four,
Speaker 2: so all really good film. So I think Chinatown is
Speaker 2: the beginning of you know, Jack becoming an absolute legends
Speaker 2: Tommy in seventy five, and then how's this for a
Speaker 2: bit of a run or back to back one flu
Speaker 2: have to cook on this in seventy five, so only
Speaker 2: a year after Chinatown, and the Shining Shining actually is
Speaker 2: about five years later in eighty and then you know,
Speaker 2: and then you know, The Postman, Lads Rings twice, eighty one,
Speaker 2: Red's eighty one, Terms of d and eighty three, pritches
Speaker 2: On at eighty five. Eventually Batman happens.
Speaker 4: Any So by the time the eighties roll around, he's
Speaker 4: well and truly established as a superstar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I discrees absolutely, and I think even but you know,
Speaker 2: when this film comes out, he's you know, he's probably
Speaker 2: one of the hottest guys in town.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I heard him speak recently, funny enough, just talking about
Speaker 2: like it took him a while he was a jobbing
Speaker 2: actor for a long time though, Like, yeah, right, you
Speaker 2: feel like now opportunities are happening quicker. You know, it's
Speaker 2: about this guy's heart, Kenny act. Okay, let's get him,
Speaker 2: Let's get him a big film vehicle where he wasn't
Speaker 2: like that back then, you know, like you still had
Speaker 2: to kind of do the hard yards and become an actor.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of a bit. Okay, is Timothy shallomay? Yes, Okay,
Speaker 4: did he just was his first film? Was he the
Speaker 4: star of his first film?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quite it's quite possible.
Speaker 4: And and he is.
Speaker 1: Look, he's great, he's grilliant, he's actually he's.
Speaker 2: Actually really great. I really like Timothy chandwan.
Speaker 1: But you're right, but why I'm the clock back.
Speaker 4: And he would have been had to be a jobbing
Speaker 4: actor for a while because you just wouldn't get a gig.
Speaker 4: Yeahs unless you've done something.
Speaker 2: Yeah he does. He does burst out of the scene.
Speaker 2: And he's I mean, that voice is one of the
Speaker 2: all the time great voice voices in movies. I swab
Speaker 2: Morgan Freeman maybe calling Golden tonsils when we had Asia
Speaker 2: Scott one. We'll talk about ShW Shank Redemption and Jack
Speaker 2: Nicholson's voices right up there as well.
Speaker 4: And it's just that opening scene. And this is again,
Speaker 4: this is me diving back into the sid Field analysis
Speaker 4: of Chinatown. So you've got the opening scene and everything's
Speaker 4: a stay. You don't have to be openly told anything,
Speaker 4: you know. Okay, you know he's a private investigator, yeap,
Speaker 4: because he's provided photos to Pauli from Rocky about his
Speaker 4: wife cheating on him. You know, he's a pretty cool character.
Speaker 4: So right, Okay, that's all established. We know what's going
Speaker 4: on there, and.
Speaker 2: He's been a knock about it. He's pretty pretty laxidaysical
Speaker 2: about this. This is his job. He's done before. He's
Speaker 2: supportive of Pauli pous him a scotch, but he's also
Speaker 2: not you know, he's done this before and he'll do
Speaker 2: it again and this is another job and it's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's another job, and he's sympathetic to Paulie. This
Speaker 4: is another thing. He opens his booze cabinet. Does anyone
Speaker 4: actually have that much hard liquor in a cabinet that
Speaker 4: they drink straight? Because I see people in TV shows
Speaker 4: and films all the time, I mean, mad men it
Speaker 4: was prime example, and it just used to make me
Speaker 4: cringe thinking about drinking all that scotch.
Speaker 2: Well, he is thirty seven, so it's just post prohibition.
Speaker 2: So maybe he's just like, let's just go as much
Speaker 2: as we can whenever we can.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So he's very So you get a sense as well,
Speaker 4: you're right that he's a good bloke and he cares
Speaker 4: about the predicament that Paul he's in, but not but
Speaker 4: not not to the point where you know, he's not
Speaker 4: going to lose sleep over.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna lose sleep This is a job.
Speaker 2: And when the fake missus Melway comes in, like his
Speaker 2: ear is pick up a bit when he realizes who
Speaker 2: she who she's pretending to be, and he says, this
Speaker 2: is going to take some money, and she said, money's
Speaker 2: on this issue, and he's you know, he likes the idea,
Speaker 2: a bit of fame, he likes the money. He's good
Speaker 2: at his job, but you know he's not emotionally invested,
Speaker 2: which is important because he says no initially.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 2: So by discussing this film, hopefully we point out why
Speaker 2: this script and screenplay is considered one of the great screenplays.
Speaker 2: But what we first and foremost need is a character
Speaker 2: to go on a journey. So if he is too
Speaker 2: emotionally involved in Paulie's uncle ing Paula in Paulie's plight,
Speaker 2: then he's got nowhere to go. So we needed to
Speaker 2: be a bit kind of like yeah, cools in Jack cool,
Speaker 2: but as in you know, apathetic towards you know, the situation.
Speaker 4: The stakes need to be raised a little.
Speaker 1: Because he needs to go on the journey to where
Speaker 1: we get to him at the end.
Speaker 4: And this is one of the great things about this film.
Speaker 4: As you say, Jack Nick Wilson is in every scene
Speaker 4: and so we see the story unfold from his point
Speaker 4: of view perspective, so we are we're with him the
Speaker 4: whole time. It's not like we know things that he
Speaker 4: doesn't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the very early films to use like
Speaker 2: handheld cameras and shot a lot of shots from behind
Speaker 2: Jack Jake's back, over his shoulder, so you're literally seeing
Speaker 2: his point of view the whole time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we get to we go on that sort
Speaker 4: of the this is a journey of discovery with Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And one of the great things about the opening
Speaker 2: a few minutes, you know, it's not being seen. It's
Speaker 2: where Missus Malway comes in. No sorry, so it is
Speaker 2: with PAULI sorry. The the intention of the movie is
Speaker 2: pointed out. Pauly says, I'm going to kill it. I'm
Speaker 2: going to kill it. His wife's been cheating on I'm
Speaker 2: going to kill it. And he says Jack Nicholson says.
Speaker 2: Jake says, no, you're not. You're not wealthy enough to
Speaker 2: kill her. Only the wealthy can cover up murder. Oh,
Speaker 2: I see this is and this is this is it's
Speaker 2: kind of shadowed and it doesn't like, it doesn't pop,
Speaker 2: it doesn't sound out, and it's you feel like it's
Speaker 2: true you know, Yeah, yes, I think okay, this is okay,
Speaker 2: this is what the movie is about. It's not on
Speaker 2: the nose. It is like played perfectly. It's it's it's
Speaker 2: it's subtle, but that is. Yeah. He basically said you
Speaker 2: need to be rich to get away with murder.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 5: Is that.
Speaker 4: It's one of my favorite lines in Succession the TV series,
Speaker 4: is where Jerry, who's one of the sort of senior
Speaker 4: assistants to the family, she's arguing with Ray Kendall. Oh, no, Roman,
Speaker 4: She's arguing with Roman. Roman's telling her what he's going
Speaker 4: to do, and she goes, Roman, you're crazy. The money
Speaker 4: always wins, the money will wash your way, and it's
Speaker 4: like and again that's a theme in Chinatown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just kind of walk through what the conspiracy?
Speaker 2: Can I just say two things?
Speaker 4: Yes, First, this batter film made in nineteen seventy four,
Speaker 4: set in nineteen thirty seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: One, And this, for some reason, this just takes me
Speaker 4: out of a movie when I see it, No matter
Speaker 4: how old, people who don't lock the doors of their
Speaker 4: cars and leave windows down. For some reason, I'm going, really,
Speaker 4: did everyone leave the windows down in their cars? And
Speaker 4: did no one lock a door?
Speaker 2: He's always then it's so weird.
Speaker 4: But that's the really thing that grabs me.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, ah, come on, really the things he's
Speaker 2: always grabbed me and I you know, food left uneaten, you.
Speaker 4: Know, beers and cigarettes. Yeah, no one likes a dart
Speaker 4: and takes one drag and throws it away. That does
Speaker 4: not happen in real life.
Speaker 1: And and the and pick up the not saying goodbye
Speaker 1: on phone calls.
Speaker 4: Oh it kills me. Another one. Take away coffee cups
Speaker 4: that are clearly empty.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it was sincerely, sincerely that drives you, Matt.
Speaker 2: Whenever if I'm working on a production like How to
Speaker 2: Stay Married or it's a day, I was always put
Speaker 2: some fucking water. Yes, let's put some water in because
Speaker 2: it is so There's something about the way you grip
Speaker 2: and lift a coffee cup that you can tell that
Speaker 2: there's nothing in it.
Speaker 1: And also why fake golp or drink? When you put
Speaker 1: some water in there.
Speaker 4: You can actually drink. The movie Spotlight, what do you reckon?
Speaker 4: The budget was on that one hundred million.
Speaker 2: Maybe not quite a hundred, but yeah, every time enough
Speaker 2: to get some water or some coffee or some tea
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 4: You're trying to solve these horrific crimes from the Catholic Church,
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, I'm like, no, I'm watching
Speaker 4: a movie they could have put just spend three dollars
Speaker 4: filling up the cups. Let's tryle and the other one, sorry,
Speaker 4: the other one, Pete when they're in the Jack's out
Speaker 4: on the job and he's on a boat on a lake,
Speaker 4: spying on the client's partner in the rowboat and the
Speaker 4: rowboat and he takes a final drag of his cigarette
Speaker 4: and flicks it into the lake, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: come on, mate, you can't flick your butt into the lake.
Speaker 4: That it's not on nothing. I was like, they would
Speaker 4: not happen in a movie today where the good guy
Speaker 4: would not flick a butt into a lake.
Speaker 2: There would be protesters outside of that cinema the next session,
Speaker 2: no doubt about that.
Speaker 1: Basically, what is happening.
Speaker 2: You've got Noah Cross, one of the great villains, and
Speaker 2: we'll talk about him, you know soon. He's built. He
Speaker 2: has built based of the waterways and the department with
Speaker 2: his mate Hollis my away.
Speaker 1: They've had a falling out. There was a dan that
Speaker 1: was built.
Speaker 2: There was an accident, people were killed, which is something
Speaker 2: that was based on a real thing. I think the
Speaker 2: Sen Francis Dam in nineteen twenty eight. Four hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty one people were killed in that accident. So it's
Speaker 2: got a little bit of There is some historic historic
Speaker 2: truths in this movie, as how Los Angeles was built.
Speaker 2: So they had the fallen out. Obviously, we work out
Speaker 2: later that he's partner, Hollis married his door and so
Speaker 2: his business part married married his daughter. But they were
Speaker 2: The plan was to be the build up reservoir that
Speaker 2: diverts the water, and the purpose is to dry out
Speaker 2: the land.
Speaker 1: So then they buy the land at a at a
Speaker 1: it's been devalued, yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, because it's essentially they force it into drought and
Speaker 2: then they are going to they drive out the land owners.
Speaker 2: They buy land at at the just prices, sometimes under
Speaker 2: fake names of people who you know, don't even know
Speaker 2: they have it there.
Speaker 1: They're in a nursing home.
Speaker 2: They redevelop it as part of the city of Los Angeles,
Speaker 2: and they went on the contracts obviously for everything that
Speaker 2: needs to be built in a developing city or town, schools, churches,
Speaker 2: all those things. So it is it is evil. It
Speaker 2: is evil and and and it's even more evil when
Speaker 2: we find out later of some of the twe no
Speaker 2: It Crosses is particularly evil. Now Across is particularly evil
Speaker 2: because he he's the kind of feelin that knows exactly
Speaker 2: what he's doing. And there's like he never sweats, No,
Speaker 2: there's not one beat of sweat coming off Noah Crosses Brown.
Speaker 4: He's in complete control. And there's a great scene where
Speaker 4: Jack Nicholson goes to his place and has lunch with
Speaker 4: him and the now a cross character is just in
Speaker 4: control the whole time. You're like, well, this is a
Speaker 4: bloke who has who gets his own way time and
Speaker 4: time again, and he is this is just a minor
Speaker 4: inconvenience that he's going to deal with, like a thousand
Speaker 4: other inconveniences he's had, and he just and there are
Speaker 4: so many little things in that scene that I just loved.
Speaker 4: Just the full fish, the head on the fish. There's
Speaker 4: something about that that is kind of intimidating. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, and he even says, I like that, I
Speaker 4: like the head on the fish. He says that to
Speaker 4: him as if to say, I don't know, for you're
Speaker 4: going to deal things the way I like them, They're
Speaker 4: not the way you like them.
Speaker 2: They're attaches all the way through this movie, in the
Speaker 2: script to the point I think it's in that moment
Speaker 2: where you have in the background that chauffeur, his chauffeur
Speaker 2: washing his car, which, like what is obviously a motif
Speaker 2: that flows through this movie. Yeah, and you know, and
Speaker 2: you see it with you know, there's references to water
Speaker 2: on the brain. There's you know, even the photos that
Speaker 2: developed obviously with chemicals in there, but there's kind of
Speaker 2: water gone in there, you know, and it's it's kind
Speaker 2: of dripping. Yeah, you got the rowing boat, Noah Cross himself,
Speaker 2: Noah Biblical, you know, with the arc simple stuff like
Speaker 2: the shower. But the chauffeur, the chauffeur we're washing its cars,
Speaker 2: tells you everything about Noah Cross, Like there's a drought
Speaker 2: going on that you are forcing, and yet your chauffur
Speaker 2: is washing your car.
Speaker 4: Is he is a she is a shocking bike who
Speaker 4: just lives.
Speaker 2: It's a shocking bloke.
Speaker 4: Here's a shocking bike. And there's the moment where Jack
Speaker 4: Nicholson says to him, you to be really rich and
Speaker 4: he says, yeah, yeah, I've got plenty of money. He
Speaker 4: says how much and he doesn't tell him exactly, but
Speaker 4: he's clearly worth a lot of money, and he's magnificance.
Speaker 4: Is why do you even want this?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And it's just what more could you own? More?
Speaker 4: Yeah? What more could you own? But it's all about power. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's all about power, which inevitably it is. Yeah, And
Speaker 4: people who have got heaps of money, yeah.
Speaker 2: Sometimes is not even an endpoint that they don't want
Speaker 2: the power. And he says it's about the future in
Speaker 2: the future.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and yeah, he wants he wants his legacy to
Speaker 4: be someone who built Los Angeles. Yeah, even though but
Speaker 4: ironically he's starving half the place, Yeah, to build his
Speaker 4: build his legacy.
Speaker 2: And you know, you would think at his age, you know,
Speaker 2: if he was in his forties, you can and go, okay,
Speaker 2: you could enjoy this power. But the chances are yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, and I wonder, I do wonder. I hadn't
Speaker 2: really thought of this, but like if his desire to
Speaker 2: be recon acted with his daughter who Okay, we can
Speaker 2: obviously this spoilers all the way through this, but is
Speaker 2: his daughter and granddaughter? So oh yes and granddaughter he
Speaker 2: has slept with his daughter fade done away, which is
Speaker 2: one of the big twists in movie history. And let's
Speaker 2: actually have a listen to the way this actually plays out.
Speaker 2: Because Jack Jake, Jake and Jack, same person goes to
Speaker 2: her house thinking that he's caught her, she's guilty, he's
Speaker 2: wrapped it up. Classic film noir detective. You know, you
Speaker 2: need to make it look like or the detective. The
Speaker 2: protagonist needs to think he's solved the case a few times. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and obviously he's always wrong, wrong, until he's not, but
Speaker 2: he thinks he's got it and he wants to know
Speaker 2: who this. He's seeing this girl, this younger girl who
Speaker 2: we later find out is Catherine, in her fight on
Speaker 2: the way his half thinking that she's tied up, that
Speaker 2: she's been held, they are against her will. He wants
Speaker 2: to know who she is. This is an extraordinary scene.
Speaker 3: I don't know what you are talking about.
Speaker 7: This is the craziest and most insane.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make it easy for you.
Speaker 6: You were jealous, you had a fight, he fell, he
Speaker 6: hit his head. It was an accident.
Speaker 2: But his girl is a witness, so you had to
Speaker 2: shut her up.
Speaker 8: You don't have the guts to harm her, but you
Speaker 8: got the money to keep her mouth shut. Yes or no? No?
Speaker 4: Who is she?
Speaker 8: And don't give me that crap about your sister because
Speaker 8: you don't have a sister.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you, I'll tell you the truth.
Speaker 6: Good.
Speaker 2: What's her name?
Speaker 7: Catherine?
Speaker 6: Catherine? Who? She's my daughter?
Speaker 5: I said, I want the truth.
Speaker 7: He's my sister, she's my daughter, my sister and my daughter.
Speaker 7: I said, I want the truck, my sister and my daughter.
Speaker 4: So there's many things to discuss, yeah, with this, So
Speaker 4: to explain that the father now across rape her went
Speaker 4: she was fifteen, Yes, and then she got pregnant and
Speaker 4: had her daughter, who is her sister as well, Yeah,
Speaker 4: who is both. And that was I mean it was
Speaker 4: almost comedic, the slap sister, slap daughter. It was almost
Speaker 4: like a naked gun.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I imagine the making gun has used that.
Speaker 2: And then and there's slapping, you know of women, even
Speaker 2: you know many films predate this that it's even more ridiculous,
Speaker 2: fright in a way. So to ask Jack Nicholson the
Speaker 2: slapper because she wasn't She felt like she wasn't getting
Speaker 2: into the scene as well as she could, and Jack
Speaker 2: didn't want to and felt pretty guilty about it. But
Speaker 2: you know, but he did agreed. I'm not sure if
Speaker 2: you said seventy five times, Oh, I quite likely. So
Speaker 2: she did request that it does punctuate that those moments though,
Speaker 2: my sister, my daughter, because it is such a like
Speaker 2: there's only one time we'll ever see a scene like this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you are watching go what do you I don't understand. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it just because it doesn't make sense. Yeah, how can
Speaker 4: you be his sister and daughter?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 4: And then of course she explains.
Speaker 2: It so it is rape obviously. I think she was
Speaker 2: fourteen or so well, fifteen fifteen, yeah, fifteen, And considering
Speaker 2: that the director is is there's you know, it's a
Speaker 2: dark irony there. It is danced around a little bit.
Speaker 2: I don't think she ever calls it rape. It obviously
Speaker 2: is it is rape. The idea is that that Noah
Speaker 2: Cross lost his wife it was an accident or the suicide,
Speaker 2: and then went through about a depression leading to this
Speaker 2: moment which is anyone is rape.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But it's kind of interesting whether it's a creative choice
Speaker 2: or a character choice that Evelyn never says that, like
Speaker 2: never says rape. But what happens at the end of
Speaker 2: this scene is like a power the power shifts, which
Speaker 2: I think is really interesting. It's like now that she's
Speaker 2: got it out and she's told and Jack Jake is
Speaker 2: like speechless.
Speaker 1: He like the audience did not see this coming.
Speaker 4: No, and he is now fully on his back on
Speaker 4: the back feet on the back foot yeah.
Speaker 2: And she kind of says, I mean maybe got a
Speaker 2: fraction earlier. She actually says do you understand that now
Speaker 2: or is that too much for you? Or something like that,
Speaker 2: where it's like Jake has had all the power and
Speaker 2: you know, the accusations, and she's not been able to
Speaker 2: kind of whether she's thing tell him the truth. Now
Speaker 2: she said it, and now I feel like she's got
Speaker 2: the higher ground for a moment.
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, And he's now he's fully sympathetic yeah to
Speaker 4: her cause. So he's gone from you're guilty, I know
Speaker 4: what you've done too. So that's a huge shift for
Speaker 4: him and the audience because, as we said earlier, we're
Speaker 4: on this where with Jack on this whole or Jake
Speaker 4: on this whole ride.
Speaker 2: Yes, and what's starting to happen now, And this is
Speaker 2: why I wanted to mention at the start of where
Speaker 2: Jake is almost a little bit apathetic. He's a nice
Speaker 2: enough guy. Yeah, he paused Paula the Scotch and he's
Speaker 2: you know, but it's another job. He's now emotionally invested,
Speaker 2: which is you know, a classic film noir and the
Speaker 2: movie he's invested, and he's also starting to see the
Speaker 2: consequences of these clients and the actions of the cases
Speaker 2: that he's taking on where he's kind of lives in
Speaker 2: this bit of a bubble. You know, he doesn't get
Speaker 2: emotionally involved. Now he is emotionally involved. They also do
Speaker 2: another really clever thing which relates back to that first scene. Paulie.
Speaker 2: You know, we know he's angry with his wife at
Speaker 2: one point that he goes to his pretending to go
Speaker 2: to the maid's house, yes, as a ruge, and he
Speaker 2: goes there, has to go, can I can I bring
Speaker 2: her out? To bring Evelyn out?
Speaker 4: And he goes to Paulie's house.
Speaker 2: He goes to police house and his wife answers the
Speaker 2: door and she has a black eye.
Speaker 4: So I see, I didn't. I didn't notice that.
Speaker 2: It's just another beautiful, fucking touch his world. He's seeing
Speaker 2: his world from a different point of view now, and
Speaker 2: he's seeing that the cases he takes on have real,
Speaker 2: real world consequences.
Speaker 4: And you're also getting a sense through that that nothing's perfect. No,
Speaker 4: nothing's perfect. No, which is this whole that's the message
Speaker 4: essentially the end of this film. Nothing's perfect.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and that there's and that's why what an
Speaker 2: amazing choice to have. I mean, the nose cutting scene, well,
Speaker 2: which is.
Speaker 4: Roman Plans is the knife carrying dude. What I love
Speaker 4: so much about the nose cutting scene is he wears
Speaker 4: it for the rest of the film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for the large bog I think in the third
Speaker 1: act that comes off.
Speaker 5: Before they on.
Speaker 4: Yes, you still see the scar scar absolutely, So it's
Speaker 4: this constant reminder of the risk that he faces. Yet
Speaker 4: despite that constant reminder, he still pushes on because a
Speaker 4: lot of people would look in the mirror in the
Speaker 4: morning and go and I'm going to give this up.
Speaker 2: Particularly look at me, Yeah, particularly somebody who we think
Speaker 2: is a little a little vain. He dresses very yeah,
Speaker 2: very nicely. You know, he's a bit of a man
Speaker 2: about town. But there is also another motif. It's not
Speaker 2: just water, it's it's this idea that because if you
Speaker 2: notice the well, obviously the nose is cut on one side.
Speaker 2: By the way, it's a stunning stunt, like how they
Speaker 2: actually would have done that. So you see him flick
Speaker 2: up the knife and the blood squirt out.
Speaker 4: Yes, it looks it looks real. And I was reading
Speaker 4: about they said the knife Polanski used like it was
Speaker 4: a proper knife and it would have cut his nose,
Speaker 4: but he flicked it in a certain way using the
Speaker 4: blunt side of the knife, so it wouldn't actually cut
Speaker 4: his nose. So it was kind of a risky, Yes,
Speaker 4: stunt in the film, because you're right, it's really convincing.
Speaker 2: I watched it a couple of times. He's trying to
Speaker 2: going to work out how they did it, so it's stunning.
Speaker 2: And then what happened. He starts wearing the bandage, and
Speaker 2: I think and and the bandage kind of is on
Speaker 2: one side obviously you know of his face. So there's
Speaker 2: a thing that goes on throughout this movie. If you
Speaker 2: notice about the two sides, that there's two sides. It's
Speaker 2: like the beautiful side of something, and then there's the fractured,
Speaker 2: ugly out of something, and and there's there's the nose.
Speaker 2: There's the glasses that they find, which we can talk
Speaker 2: about later. One side, only one side is cracked. He
Speaker 2: takes out one of the tail lights, so when he's following,
Speaker 2: there's one side that's working and there's an the other
Speaker 2: side that's not working.
Speaker 4: There is he uses that you see him hold early
Speaker 4: on the two watches next to each other. You know,
Speaker 4: you've got one watch under the back wheel of the car.
Speaker 4: Absolutely the two watches, that's another one.
Speaker 2: And there's also just so there's those physical things, and
Speaker 2: then there's also I mean to get to the we'll
Speaker 2: get to the end. But she does get shut through
Speaker 2: one eye, yes, And it's also so you've got these
Speaker 2: physical things that happen, But then there's also it's a
Speaker 2: perfect metaphor for Los Angeles, it's a perfect metaphor for
Speaker 2: Noah Cross, it's a perfect metaphor for everyone.
Speaker 4: A fate fade unaway who is beautiful and seemingly heeps
Speaker 4: some money, living this perfect life, but of course there's
Speaker 4: this dark other side to her. And that can be
Speaker 4: said of pretty much every character in the film. There's
Speaker 4: a flip side, with the exception of probably Jake Jack Nicholson,
Speaker 4: the main character who in many respects is you get
Speaker 4: what you see with him.
Speaker 2: But he's discovering that now.
Speaker 6: Correct.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he's lifting the lifting the cover on all
Speaker 4: this stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's living his bubble, but now he's working out
Speaker 2: that everything. Like like I said in the intro's there's
Speaker 2: evil even in the water.
Speaker 4: You know the scene where he's at the barber and
Speaker 4: he's getting a shave, and this is so when he
Speaker 4: initially takes on the case from the fake Missus Mulray
Speaker 4: and he takes the photos of old mate with the young.
Speaker 2: Woman and out in the in the street ares a
Speaker 2: car that's blown a gasket in the steam coming up
Speaker 2: again water.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, and he that photo ends up in
Speaker 4: the paper.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now did he send that photo to the paper? How
Speaker 4: did that photo get to the paper? Did he send it?
Speaker 4: I think so because there was the guy in the
Speaker 4: barbershop who accused him of doing that.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think so. Yeah. My reading of it is
Speaker 2: that he sent it and then and that's why the
Speaker 2: real Evelyn Way comes in and there going to sue
Speaker 2: because he took the photos and he was not hired.
Speaker 1: You know, this is way we start finding out, hang on,
Speaker 1: who was that original?
Speaker 4: Was the other woman? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Who ends up? This is there's so many things that
Speaker 2: are easy to miss. And I'll watched this in my
Speaker 2: teens and it didn't really have a big impact on
Speaker 2: me because I just thought it was you know, to
Speaker 2: watch the film about corruption and waterways and instant it's
Speaker 2: just been kind of like, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 2: really understand why this film is so great. I always
Speaker 2: wanted to go back to it. So I'm so glad
Speaker 2: we're doing this. So when he gets that call in
Speaker 2: the middle of the night to go through that apartment
Speaker 2: and he goes there and somebody's murdered. That that's the
Speaker 2: that's that's the woman who was the fake Missus mulray.
Speaker 2: And there's there's a card as a sag card. Funny enough,
Speaker 2: the struck strikes on at the moment as I spoke
Speaker 2: about the sag card, so referring to the fact that
Speaker 2: she's she's an actress.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so where were we? We were talking about the
Speaker 4: sliced up nose. And now the other thing I liked
Speaker 4: about that is just the patch up job the bandage
Speaker 4: on it was big and ugly, yeah, and really obvious,
Speaker 4: and I'd never thought about the two sided thing. But
Speaker 4: you're right because it is cool looking Jack on one side,
Speaker 4: but this mashed up nose with a huge bandage on
Speaker 4: the other side, which is a constant reminder of the
Speaker 4: risks that he's taking. Which there were moments in this
Speaker 4: film where I thought, what did they just why an't
Speaker 4: they just kill him?
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting when he invites Noah Cross to the
Speaker 2: house and he thinks he's basically saying I know where
Speaker 2: the girl is, because remember Noah Cross highs Jake at
Speaker 2: one point, and so I want you to find and
Speaker 2: I'll give you ten thousand dollars and he says, come
Speaker 2: bring your check book. And then I think is later
Speaker 2: under he actually they meet and he realizes that Noah's
Speaker 2: probably is guilty. He's onto him, and he gives him
Speaker 2: the glasses he has in the radiobituary and in a
Speaker 2: dimly lit house, and he reads it and that proves
Speaker 2: that the glasses. Wait, that the you know, because Hollis
Speaker 2: didn't wear those kinds of glasses that were found in
Speaker 2: the salt water little pool, they belong to Noah. Yes,
Speaker 2: so that's he finds out. And so he finds that out,
Speaker 2: and he tells Noah and then his goon comes along
Speaker 2: and he Noah says, give him the glasses. And you
Speaker 2: do wonder was that is that? Was that part of
Speaker 2: his plan or is that just a mistake? That was
Speaker 2: that a bit of naivety? I understand from a story
Speaker 2: point of view, you want to bring all these characters together. Now, yes,
Speaker 2: you know you want to get them all together, but
Speaker 2: it seemed like that's the kind of thing that you
Speaker 2: might kind of go just try these glasses on. Okay,
Speaker 2: I know that now I know you're Goildy I'm going
Speaker 2: to call the cops.
Speaker 4: I assumed it was a deliberate ploy to lead him
Speaker 4: somewhere else, but on reflection, I think it was just
Speaker 4: a mistake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's have a lesson that. There's some there's some
Speaker 2: really interesting things that go on in that scene. Going
Speaker 2: to be a lot of.
Speaker 8: Irate citizens when they find out that they're paying for
Speaker 8: water that they're not going to get.
Speaker 6: Oh that's all he can care. See, mister Gibbs, either
Speaker 6: you bring the water to La, or you bring La
Speaker 6: to the water.
Speaker 2: How are you going to do that?
Speaker 6: Bineclock reading the value in the city, simple as that.
Speaker 2: How much you're worth?
Speaker 6: I have no idea how much you want. I just
Speaker 6: want to know what you're worth?
Speaker 2: Over ten million?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 2: Why are you doing it? How much better can you eat?
Speaker 2: What can you buy that you can't already afford?
Speaker 6: The future? Mister gets the future? Now, where's the girl?
Speaker 6: I want? The only daughter I got left? You found
Speaker 6: out everything was lost to me a long time ago.
Speaker 6: Who do you blame for that?
Speaker 9: Her? I don't blame myself. See, mister Gitts. Most people
Speaker 9: never have to face the fact the right time, in
Speaker 9: the right place. They're capable of everything.
Speaker 2: You refraid to that scene earlier, and that's a truly
Speaker 2: evil line because he is talking about he exists.
Speaker 4: He's talking about riping his fifteen year old daughter. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and he says, and he says, I don't regret it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. There's no regret, there's no guilt.
Speaker 1: He's truly an evil character.
Speaker 4: He is and he and there's there's little things with
Speaker 4: him as well, like I mentioned the fish head but
Speaker 4: still being on the fish when he gets served up
Speaker 4: to Jack Nicholson. But he also Jack Nicholson's character's name
Speaker 4: is Jack Giddies, and he keeps calling him mister g Yes,
Speaker 4: which apparently was like being corrected loads of times by
Speaker 4: Jack Giddies. He just goes with mister gits, which is
Speaker 4: a classic power.
Speaker 1: Play, absolutely but and works so brilliantly.
Speaker 2: And I've seen a lot of people comment on, you know,
Speaker 2: the fact that like this power play and that you know,
Speaker 2: the arrogance of the man not to you know, listen
Speaker 2: to the correction and then use it. But apparently John
Speaker 2: Houston just kept on sucking up the name plancy, got
Speaker 2: Jack Nicholson to correct him, and then they just kept
Speaker 2: playing that they.
Speaker 4: Played that, so it works perfectly.
Speaker 2: That's and I love happy accidents like that like that.
Speaker 2: That is, if he was poorly, it doesn't work as well.
Speaker 2: You know that he's you know, it probably becomes because
Speaker 2: it's amusing if what he's doing. But with Noah Cross
Speaker 2: calling mister Getz, it's like Na's power plan.
Speaker 4: I'll call you whatever I want to call you. That's
Speaker 4: the message there.
Speaker 2: Let's let's talk about the ending. Actually before we get
Speaker 2: to that. This will get us to the ending. But
Speaker 2: were you expecting more of the story to take place
Speaker 2: within Chinatown?
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 4: I was confused for a lot of this film as
Speaker 4: to why it was called Chinatown. Yeah, I watching and
Speaker 4: even at the end when it finished, I was still
Speaker 4: found myself going, Okay, I'm going to sit down now
Speaker 4: and try and work out why it was called Chinatown. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so I'll perhaps give you the theory of the end. Well, yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean it's kind I guess it's kind of obvious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's it's I think Bob Evans or Robert
Speaker 2: Town has kind of said that Chinatown is a bit
Speaker 2: of a state of mind in a way. It's it's
Speaker 2: it's not about specifically Chinatown, even though like it is
Speaker 2: referred to quite a bit. And there's a great line
Speaker 2: which obviously comes to in the end where somebody says,
Speaker 2: what did you do in China? Because Jake was a
Speaker 2: detective or a police officer in in Chinatown. Yes, which
Speaker 2: is it's you know, they make quite clear, it's a
Speaker 2: job that you don't want to be. You don't want
Speaker 2: to be stationed in Chinatown because crimes don't get solved,
Speaker 2: you know, and it's it's it's a mess. It's it's
Speaker 2: it's hard to govern, it's hard to police. But he says,
Speaker 2: what did you do in Chinatown? And he says as
Speaker 2: little as possible?
Speaker 4: And it's so Chinatown is essentially a metaphor that's saying
Speaker 4: I don't expect justice and this place doesn't operate by
Speaker 4: the normal rules. Yeah, so that is that's essentially the
Speaker 4: message that comes through in this film.
Speaker 2: And I think it's it's ironic because you know, they
Speaker 2: they think that's just in the movie. I think they
Speaker 2: think Chinatown's bit of it. It's a problem. It's it's
Speaker 2: hard to police because there's there's dialect issues, language barriers,
Speaker 2: cultural barriers. But it's actually a systemic problem across the
Speaker 2: whole city that we are learning about is like, so
Speaker 2: Chinatown is not just about China, It's about Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: It's about even you know, bigger than Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: This is this is a problem everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's worth mentioning that famously, and it's the
Speaker 2: Godfather had was protested by the Italian American Society. You know,
Speaker 2: there was a massive issue for them. There were protests
Speaker 2: in Chinatown from the Asian Americans Society. If they have
Speaker 2: an official name or not, they were like protests, which
Speaker 2: is it's just good to note because the characters who
Speaker 2: are Chinese in this are no stereotypical. There's Maids, is
Speaker 2: the gardener Jake. It is actually like a It is
Speaker 2: a pop point, which I think helps. I think when
Speaker 2: the gardener is saying bad for glass and Jake kind
Speaker 2: of sees it, hears it as bad for grass, yes,
Speaker 2: or it might be the other way around. Actually he's
Speaker 2: seen bad for grass, but it's bad for glass anyway,
Speaker 2: that that kind of tips him into things salt water.
Speaker 2: That's what actually makes him go hang on a sec
Speaker 2: He goes back to the glasses that he's already seen earlier.
Speaker 4: And this is that this is the pond in Missus
Speaker 4: Mulray's house. Yes, where because I had discovered that there
Speaker 4: was salt water and that's where Hollis was killed. And
Speaker 4: they work out Halas was killed in that pond because
Speaker 4: there was salt water in his lungs. Yeah, and they
Speaker 4: assumed it was in a fresh They thought it was
Speaker 4: in a fresh water lake, but he goes, no, it
Speaker 4: salt water, so he must have been drowned here, which
Speaker 4: is where the broken glasses were.
Speaker 2: Yes, so Jake could always believed that he had been moved,
Speaker 2: that this murder did not happen. It wasn't an accident,
Speaker 2: which I was trying to pass off as something else
Speaker 2: was going on. Yes, so they discovered the glasses and
Speaker 2: that's we refreaded earlier. The glasses they assumed were hollises,
Speaker 2: but he didn't wear they.
Speaker 1: We find out later he didn't wear those glasses.
Speaker 2: Ye, Yes, it was. It was indeed, mister Cross.
Speaker 4: And then the movie after these final scenes ends in Chinatown.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 2: Yes, so they get Poorly to help out, and he's
Speaker 2: becoming less interested in money as it goes on. Inact,
Speaker 2: he's saying, I'll clear your debts. I'll pay even more.
Speaker 2: I'll get a hundred bucks if you if you get
Speaker 2: these two women to Mexico.
Speaker 4: He just was yeah, because now he's really seen the
Speaker 4: dark side. Yes, so money is no longer important. He
Speaker 4: just wants justice for the people involved now. And then
Speaker 4: he's sending her back fade unaway back to Mexico. And
Speaker 4: after she was raped, that's where she ran away to. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was Mexico, that's right. And that's where she had
Speaker 4: the baby, yes, when she was fifteen. And she's sending
Speaker 4: her back there again because that, I guess is a safe,
Speaker 4: safe space for her.
Speaker 2: So again, we want all our characters to be together.
Speaker 2: We achieve this in Chinatown. We're going to listen to
Speaker 2: this in two parts. Here is that they're trying to
Speaker 2: get the daughter, Catherine into the car. Paul he's there,
Speaker 2: Noah Cross arrives. Jake's with the detectives. I think you
Speaker 2: might be even handcuffed.
Speaker 4: He's handcuffed, but he's with the two coppers.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and just listen to this first part.
Speaker 5: Way how many years so I got she's mine too.
Speaker 5: She's never going to know that.
Speaker 2: You're a disturbed woman.
Speaker 6: You cannot hope to provide.
Speaker 1: He put that gun away. Let the police handle this.
Speaker 3: He owns the police. Get away from her.
Speaker 2: You have to kill me for it.
Speaker 3: Get away, you have to close the door.
Speaker 2: So the first shot you heard was a shot into
Speaker 2: the air warning shot, and then the last couple of
Speaker 2: shots the shots fired at the vehicle driving away with
Speaker 2: Evelyn and Catherine.
Speaker 4: Well, actually the first shot you heard was Evelyn shooting
Speaker 4: now across. Of course, she shoots him in the arm, yes, absolutely,
Speaker 4: and he staggers backwards, and then they drive off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yea. And in the when they're shooting, Jake kind
Speaker 2: of handcuffed. It's a nice little ballet. Actually he he
Speaker 2: kind of stops the first I think lou from taking
Speaker 2: that shot.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then but then the other cop comes in and
Speaker 2: takes a shot, and we see the car to stop
Speaker 2: about fifty meters away, and we don't know who's been shot,
Speaker 2: if it's fatal. Interestingly, in the script, the shot was
Speaker 2: taken by somebody else, like another cop who is had
Speaker 2: to be there closer to the car. And then let's
Speaker 2: have a listen to this next week. So this is
Speaker 2: they run down to see what has happened. This is
Speaker 2: basically the end of China. The film Chinatown considered one
Speaker 2: of the great endings. It's pretty bleak, they do find
Speaker 2: it has been a point of that because you may
Speaker 2: not be able to tell with them the audio. But
Speaker 2: it has been Evelyn who slumps down dead when the
Speaker 2: door is open. She's been shot through the eye. Catherine
Speaker 2: is still alive. They're all there now, say Jake. The
Speaker 2: cops and Noah Cross have run to the car, as
Speaker 2: what's that?
Speaker 6: What's that you want to do your partner a big favor?
Speaker 6: Take him home, take him home, Just get him the
Speaker 6: hell out of here. Jake, Go, Jake, I'm doing you
Speaker 6: a favor.
Speaker 5: Ja forget that Jake in.
Speaker 6: His China town.
Speaker 5: Alright, come on, play the area? How the flag off?
Speaker 4: So what happens there is Chef Faye down away is
Speaker 4: now dead, she's been shot in the head, and the
Speaker 4: daughter is taken away by Noah Cross, the bad guy.
Speaker 4: I didn't like it. As I'm watching it, I didn't
Speaker 4: like it. That's not the ending I wanted. No, that
Speaker 4: is not the ending I wanted. And it didn't. I
Speaker 4: was like, come on, the bar, he can't win, they
Speaker 4: can't win. It wins everything.
Speaker 2: It's a tragic ending. And deliberately obviously chosen that they
Speaker 2: have chosen.
Speaker 4: That, and then he and but and sadly, Jack resonates
Speaker 4: with the line i'd come on, come on, Jack, Chinatown,
Speaker 4: and he used to work in Chinatown, so he understands
Speaker 4: what that means, and it kind of resonates with him,
Speaker 4: and he's he's not happy about it.
Speaker 2: What he says, he says, coling to himself, the line
Speaker 2: is as little as possible. He echoes the line that
Speaker 2: he said earlier in the film when there was asked
Speaker 2: about what he did in Chinatown. As little as possible.
Speaker 2: He knows nothing's gonna happen.
Speaker 4: And even and be kind of, in a funny kind
Speaker 4: of way, the beneficiary of it because the cop and
Speaker 4: takes the handcuffs off. I'm not going to press charges anymore.
Speaker 2: You can go yeah, yeah. Originally in the in the script,
Speaker 2: you had Jack Nicholson Jake almost screaming at that point,
Speaker 2: going no, take him my way. He's a murder, he's,
Speaker 2: you know, going nuts. I do love this.
Speaker 1: I actually love this ending. I watched this when I
Speaker 1: was about sixteen.
Speaker 2: It didn't necessarily resonate with me, so I was watching
Speaker 2: this kind of kind of forgetting the detail. I knew
Speaker 2: the line was coming, and I knew it was very
Speaker 2: much a down ending, but forgetting maybe who who was killed?
Speaker 2: And and I was watching it, and I can't remember
Speaker 2: a performance in a moment that was as guttering as
Speaker 2: the look on Jack Jake's face. Yes, it is his
Speaker 2: numb he's shell shocked. He's just absolutely stunned. There's no
Speaker 2: hope in his face. He has been completely drained, and
Speaker 2: he knows what's about to happen is inevitable, to the
Speaker 2: point where he doesn't even try to stop.
Speaker 4: It because he's real Because, as you say, he's stepped
Speaker 4: out of his bubble for the first time ever, and
Speaker 4: he's tried to do the right thing. He's seen the
Speaker 4: horrors of the real well, but he's realized he's powerless
Speaker 4: against it. Yeah, he's done his absolute best. His world
Speaker 4: has been knocked off its axis. You know, he's seeing
Speaker 4: the most evil man. He fully knows how evil this
Speaker 4: guy is.
Speaker 2: Now, he knows all of his skeletons, and he's seen
Speaker 2: him take this young girl away and history will potentially repeat.
Speaker 4: And the one person Jack connected with through this whole
Speaker 4: story was Faye Dunaway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's now dead. Yeah, yeah, it is. I understand.
Speaker 2: You know, you watch it and you don't like it.
Speaker 2: You're not supposed to like it, but I'm certainly somebody
Speaker 2: who can. I'm sure you like you are as well,
Speaker 2: where you can step away and kind of go, wow,
Speaker 2: that was fucking hard to watch.
Speaker 4: But that's a stunning it's a stunning ending, and it
Speaker 4: makes the movie stand out even more. It's already a
Speaker 4: great film. Yeah, but this is what Bob Evans and
Speaker 4: Roman Polanski fell out over the ending, because Bob Evans
Speaker 4: wanted a happy ending where everyone gets away with Catherine
Speaker 4: and they escape to Mexico. Yeah, but Polanski said, nah, yeah, no,
Speaker 4: no that's not that's not the ending.
Speaker 2: Which again Bob Evans obviously in the end back to
Speaker 2: Polanski because I'm sure the studio was on, but well
Speaker 2: you must have, because that's what's in the movie.
Speaker 4: I believe that can I believe Bob Evans never. I
Speaker 4: believe Bob Evans walked away at the end as opposed
Speaker 4: to arguing with him. He just kind of threw his
Speaker 4: arms in the air, which I guess is a form
Speaker 4: of saying okay, you win.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So that is like he's allowed to make
Speaker 2: his his beliefs and that you know, I dis but
Speaker 2: for a producer to agree to disagree, you know, even
Speaker 2: as frustrating as that would be, And it happened many
Speaker 2: times in the in the making The Godfather. It's it's
Speaker 2: it's good producing. Yeah, you don't have to agree. And
Speaker 2: I said the script was different.
Speaker 4: It's like the you know, the true romance. Ridley Scott
Speaker 4: made true romance. And in Tarantino's original script, the Christian
Speaker 4: Slater character gets killed in the shootout and then Patricia
Speaker 4: Raquette as she's she drives off to wherever by herself
Speaker 4: at the end. But Ridley, it's got changed it so
Speaker 4: they both to be a happy ending. Yeah, so both survive.
Speaker 4: But this ending here, it just it's sad and infuriating,
Speaker 4: but it really it makes the film pop.
Speaker 2: You want you want to have an emotional reaction to movies,
Speaker 2: I think, and this is like I just sat there
Speaker 2: in silence.
Speaker 4: But also it fits with the with the Chinatown theme. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because it tells the story of how money and power
Speaker 4: it always wins.
Speaker 2: Earlier in the film, Evelyn says to Jake, you may
Speaker 2: think you know what you're dealing with but you don't,
Speaker 2: which is amazing, and then Jake says, that's what the
Speaker 2: DA always said in Chinatown. Yes, so again people talk
Speaker 2: about this script. It's just these bread crumbs that are
Speaker 2: left that it makes when you look back at it
Speaker 2: and when you watch it again, and I don't know
Speaker 2: if you will watch it again. I encourage you to
Speaker 2: because you will pick up things along the way. And
Speaker 2: so I was like, I like watching crime, you know,
Speaker 2: detective stories a game because you can start seeing where
Speaker 2: they have aids and bread crumbs. You'll see all the
Speaker 2: references to Chinatown are beautifully placed. And Yeah, it's an
Speaker 2: extraordinary film. I like, I said, I'm so glad we
Speaker 2: watched this film this week, And I'm so glad to
Speaker 2: have jumped in and done a little bit of research
Speaker 2: on it because there are things even I watched it twice, yeah,
Speaker 2: twice this week and watch some docos about it. It's
Speaker 2: a really fun film to jump and jump into.
Speaker 4: And there's just not a wasted moment anywhere, Like there's
Speaker 4: purpose to every single scene, every bit of dialogue the
Speaker 4: whole way through the film. Another interesting side note after
Speaker 4: making Chinatown, have you read this one? Jack Nicholson was
Speaker 4: informed by Time Magazine right by Time Magazine researchers that
Speaker 4: his sister in Inverted Commas was actually his mother.
Speaker 2: Ah, I did.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't have been able to recall that fact,
Speaker 1: but I did know there was something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was right after this film where that's been
Speaker 4: a central theme and he's found it. That's his own
Speaker 4: life story. Amazing.
Speaker 2: Also, Jack Nicholson at this time was dating Angelica Houston,
Speaker 2: John Huston's daughter. Yes, there is a scene and Jelica
Speaker 2: Houston was on set on this day where they're having
Speaker 2: lunched the fish, the fish where he says, are you
Speaker 2: sleeping with my daughter? That's right, awkward for everyone.
Speaker 4: I've seen someone tell on a chat show in America
Speaker 4: and it's an actor retelling the story of Jack Nicholson
Speaker 4: telling him that story right, and he says and where
Speaker 4: Jack Nicholson says, you want to know something weird and
Speaker 4: he tells the story from Chinatown where he goes, are
Speaker 4: you sleeping with my daughter? And he's like, yeah, I
Speaker 4: am sleeping with your daughter.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 2: Robert Town was offered one hundred and twenty five thousand
Speaker 2: to write the script for The Great Gatsby, which gets
Speaker 2: made around this time. He said no, he he thought
Speaker 2: he couldn't live up to that. Obviously, f Scott Fitzgerald's
Speaker 2: fantasy book. He wasn't sure if he was up to
Speaker 2: doing the adaptation, so he instead took twenty five thousand
Speaker 2: to Chinatown. So it took lots of hundred thousand dollars,
Speaker 2: but I'm sure he was fine in the end. Wrote
Speaker 2: it with jack Nibson in mind. It's always very powerful
Speaker 2: when you can because there is there's there's some great
Speaker 2: lines and he has when he's giving the other detectives,
Speaker 2: you know, a bit of shit. It's it doesn't surprise
Speaker 2: me that it was written with Jackie mind.
Speaker 4: And there's the and the great scene where he's talking
Speaker 4: to his buddies and Faye Dunaway is standing behind him.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well that comes after the barber scene, which you spoke
Speaker 2: about earlier, and I think it's such a fun transition.
Speaker 2: We've seen that scene before where somebody's telling a joke
Speaker 2: and the person's behind them and it's like kind of guys,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: So that's not the amazing thing about the scene.
Speaker 2: What's amazing is that he's having this kind of argument
Speaker 2: with this guy in the barbershop. He's questioning what he
Speaker 2: does for a living, and he's just go, no, you know,
Speaker 2: I'll work hard for him. There's nothing wrong with all
Speaker 2: I do, like you know. Yeah, And at that point
Speaker 2: he doesn't know what's about to unfold and what he's
Speaker 2: actually about to uncover, and the fact that he was
Speaker 2: hired by a fake Missus Mulway. But the idea that
Speaker 2: this guy breaks attention by telling this racist joke and
Speaker 2: then you transition, you use that as you don't even
Speaker 2: hear that, you use that, the transition to jack or happy.
Speaker 2: The tension has been gone. He just wants to tell
Speaker 2: this fun joke that he bleds his fun and funny
Speaker 2: to his workmates. It's just I've never seen a transition
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 4: And he and the guy was a banker, the guy
Speaker 4: in the in the barber and he thinks bankers are
Speaker 4: evil at that point, Yeah, at that point to him, yeah,
Speaker 4: you bank No one worse than a banker. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: then forgives him really quickly because he obviously listens to
Speaker 4: his joke. Yeah, and then comes back Yeah. But then
Speaker 4: he discovers that there's people way more evil than bankers.
Speaker 2: Absolutely Polanski, He and Theyd done Away didn't get along
Speaker 2: particularly well. Him and Jack got along, but they did
Speaker 2: have arguments. Polanski smash tracks TV with a mop because
Speaker 2: you like this. Jack always wanted to watch the Lakers play,
Speaker 2: which sometimes it would stall shooting. Let him watch the
Speaker 2: Lakers watch Lakers. And there was a voiceover originally, which
Speaker 2: is quite common with film noir, they have a voiceover,
Speaker 2: but Perlanski took out Nicholson's voiceover. I don't think the film.
Speaker 2: We will never know unless we see it cut of that,
Speaker 2: But I don't film the film's pretty damn good. Yes
Speaker 2: it is. And Jack at one point says, towards the
Speaker 2: back of the film, give me five minutes, and there
Speaker 2: are exactly five minutes left. You can time it, and
Speaker 2: from that moment there are exactly five minutes left in
Speaker 2: the film, which was a happy accident.
Speaker 5: I said it was.
Speaker 2: They actually started funnily enough, they had the script was
Speaker 2: incomplete when they started shooting, which is amazing. The ending
Speaker 2: was the different idea.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well maybe that's because of this argument that was
Speaker 4: housing between Bob Evans.
Speaker 2: And yeah, maybe it's one of those things where I
Speaker 2: thought we'll get to it, well, you know, we'll come
Speaker 2: back to this argument later in LA The original Chinatown
Speaker 2: was demolished between nineteen thirty three and nineteen thirty six
Speaker 2: to make way for Union Station. The current Chinatown opened
Speaker 2: in nineteen thirty eight, which means the only time Los
Speaker 2: Angeles didn't actually have a Chinatown was the year this
Speaker 2: film was set in, which is nineteen thirty seven.
Speaker 1: Fun, which is the year Jack Nicholson was born.
Speaker 4: You know what I did enjoy? You know, movies choose
Speaker 4: all sorts of different ways to place themselves historically, and
Speaker 4: in this one, it's in one of the opening scenes
Speaker 4: where Jack Nicholson pulls out a newspaper and see biscuits
Speaker 4: on the front. Right, Okay, see biscuits.
Speaker 2: Ellie McGraw was McGrath, McGrath Alan McGrath was going to
Speaker 2: play Evelyn, but she lost it. She lost a role
Speaker 2: because she had left Bob Evans for Steve McQueen when
Speaker 2: they made The Getaway, which is kind of featured in
Speaker 2: while he was making The Godfather, was subcess of making
Speaker 2: The Godfather, and he kind of let her, kind of
Speaker 2: let his relationships sleep and go to make this film
Speaker 2: with Steve McQueen. They hook up.
Speaker 4: She missed out on this one.
Speaker 2: She missed out on this the angry farmer in the
Speaker 2: in the scene like the town hall scene where Hollis
Speaker 2: is saying that this project won't work.
Speaker 4: Where they let the sheep into the town hall.
Speaker 2: Ye, yeah, which is it's also a great another great
Speaker 2: thing because at that point we think and we're you know,
Speaker 2: and we continue for a little while to believe that
Speaker 2: Hollis Is is the bad guy here, and they have
Speaker 2: a moment where farmers, who we are always empathetic towards, Yes,
Speaker 2: you know, we assume the guy standing up in the
Speaker 2: town hall is the evil one and the farmers are
Speaker 2: the good guys. Farmers are the bad guys. But they're
Speaker 2: they've got it wrong, we learn later on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no one's more honest and soul of the earth
Speaker 4: than a farmer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they have farmers yelled. This guy again plants
Speaker 2: in our minds he's the bad guy. Yeah, it's really clever.
Speaker 2: The score was written. But the farm who yells out
Speaker 2: is Rance Howard, the father of Ron Howard and the
Speaker 2: grandfather of Bryce Dallis Howard.
Speaker 4: A fun fact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, two final fun facts. The score, which is a
Speaker 2: brilliant score. Again, everything is top shelf in. This film
Speaker 2: was written by Jerry gos within ten days, which is
Speaker 2: just phenomenal. And finally, this was a planned trilogy. There's
Speaker 2: gonna be a trilogy. There is a sequel called The
Speaker 2: Two Jakes, which Jake Niggson actually directs, which I haven't seen.
Speaker 4: Which is a kind of a famous flop, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I think it flopped. I mean again, it's what like
Speaker 2: go Father Part three, it's probably a decent film that
Speaker 2: this doesn't live up to. You know, it's pretty said way.
Speaker 4: I didn't mind Godfather pat three. Like people shake their
Speaker 4: head when I say that, but I actually didn't mind it.
Speaker 2: You know what. I suspect a lot of people who
Speaker 2: talk down Godfather Part three haven't seen Godfather Part three.
Speaker 4: You know what the storyline and I know people are
Speaker 4: critical of who play Sophia.
Speaker 2: Coppola who was born in very late because yeah, someone
Speaker 2: pulled out, pulled out.
Speaker 4: But the storyline around the Catholic church, you know what
Speaker 4: that is? That is a great and a and a
Speaker 4: very real real Storylineeah. Absolutely, And I love that that
Speaker 4: that theme through Godfather three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's got one of those famous lines in Godfather,
Speaker 2: you know which which one is that every time I
Speaker 2: think I'm out, they put me.
Speaker 1: So this is going to be a planned trilogy.
Speaker 2: They obviously they make the second one and the third
Speaker 2: part was conceptualized, but they've actually written but elements involving
Speaker 2: a corrupt company buying up all the public transport in
Speaker 2: order to replace it with freeways. That was the idea,
Speaker 2: but that was used in another film, another noir film.
Speaker 2: If that plot sounds familiar, then obviously you're a fan
Speaker 2: of Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
Speaker 1: So China Down is related.
Speaker 4: It's been a lot on Who fraind Rodger Rabbit, but
Speaker 4: a long time since I've seen Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
Speaker 2: Mate. This podcast, as you know, because you are a
Speaker 2: returning guest, comes with homework. I'm glad we found a
Speaker 2: film that I think will live in your memory at
Speaker 2: heart for a little bit longer than the first film
Speaker 2: we did, which.
Speaker 4: Was with Naale and I, which I just didn't couldn't
Speaker 4: cop The problem with with Nall and I is it
Speaker 4: just didn't date.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 4: It's a movie of its time, and I can see
Speaker 4: that if you saw with Naale and I in nineteen
Speaker 4: eighty eight in England in particular, you would have gone,
Speaker 4: this is an amazing film. Yeah, But to watch it
Speaker 4: today in Australia it's like, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this film.
Speaker 4: You could watch this film ten times and you'll still
Speaker 4: see little nuggets, yeah, sprinkled through the whole film. There's
Speaker 4: just so it's so dense, there's so much going on.
Speaker 2: And there's no doubt there are things we haven't covered,
Speaker 2: like in this I came here a little bit intimidated that,
Speaker 2: but how are we going to cover this? This film? Like,
Speaker 2: there is so much, it's so love there's I mean,
Speaker 2: so much talk about this film over the years, so
Speaker 2: much analysis of it.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be stuff. It's where do we start from?
Speaker 2: Where do we? How do we there's a conspiracy and
Speaker 2: then there's the twist, and there's there's character stuff, there's motifs.
Speaker 1: So hopefully I think we've done it. You know, it's
Speaker 1: been a fun chat.
Speaker 2: But there's no doubt there'd be something like Apple Cole
Speaker 2: we when to get the Apple Core and the retirement
Speaker 2: homes and on that.
Speaker 1: So there's there's stuff that you know, it's best just
Speaker 1: to go watch the film.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just come and watch it. I'm going to watch
Speaker 4: it again because I'm sure I'm going to pick up
Speaker 4: a dozen more things through the film.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, seriously, Like and like I said, always say this,
Speaker 2: this podcast is somebody who is just processing a film
Speaker 2: they've watched for the first time. I've now seen this
Speaker 2: film three times and done some research on it. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't have picked up some even the stuff like when
Speaker 2: he picked up the business cards, you know, I was like,
Speaker 2: what's he kind of doing that? And that's how you
Speaker 2: can get around as as the water department guy, you know,
Speaker 2: so he's not using he's basically faking who he is.
Speaker 4: And even that the kid when he goes into the
Speaker 4: Place of Public Records and the kid, like the really
Speaker 4: arrogant kid sitting there who thinks he's the most important
Speaker 4: kid in the world. Yes, he works at the Center
Speaker 4: for Public Records, but the arrogance of the kid enables
Speaker 4: him to just walk away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, classic detective to stealing records.
Speaker 4: Yeah, stealing records and he gets the ruler off the
Speaker 4: kid and coughs while he tears the page off.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, it's also another point where one of the reasons
Speaker 2: we'd like Jake, even though he's a bit arrogant a bit, yes, smutty,
Speaker 2: not that it really bother. I mean, Jack Nicklson does
Speaker 2: bring a lot of that, so you're almost like on
Speaker 2: Jack's side, you know, watching we know who Jack is.
Speaker 2: But even removing that, I made this point in this
Speaker 2: podcast a few times. Your protagonist they need to be
Speaker 2: good at something, or good at their jobs, or good
Speaker 2: at something. And we see through these little hacks that
Speaker 2: the watch under the tire, they're taking the business cards,
Speaker 2: they can get into places that he may not be
Speaker 2: allowed to get into the way he's he's getting to
Speaker 2: the retirement home like he's good at.
Speaker 4: His job, and you forget sometimes that he's not a cop. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And he reminds you in the film as well. He goes,
Speaker 4: I'm not a cop, I'm a private detective and he
Speaker 4: is just a private detective. And he's like, yeah, actually,
Speaker 4: and he's now doing this for himself. He's not doing
Speaker 4: this for anyone else. He's doing it for himself.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4: And also with the because he sleeps with Evelyn fade
Speaker 4: unaway in the film and then it's almost immediately after
Speaker 4: that that he finds out her backstory. Yeah, so he's
Speaker 4: on the back foot because that's a confronting story. But
Speaker 4: he's also just slept with her, so he probably feels
Speaker 4: some sort of guilt. Yeah, at such to that as well,
Speaker 4: with a certainly connection.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not sure if they're in love and
Speaker 2: or I'm not sure, but you could make the argument
Speaker 2: that Evelyn potentially is using Jake to emotionally get him
Speaker 2: on her side, maybe even to help her get out
Speaker 2: of this situation, which you don't begrudge her for doing
Speaker 2: that at all, and that's she may be in love.
Speaker 2: That it's happened for analysis, and that's what's you know,
Speaker 2: also great about this script that you can we can
Speaker 2: have our opinions on when when Jake starts feeling something,
Speaker 2: you know, is it love?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 2: Is it you know, just he's getting one away? Is
Speaker 2: Evely in love? Is she just getting one away? Is
Speaker 2: she is?
Speaker 8: She?
Speaker 4: And she does say earlier in the film that she
Speaker 4: that she enjoys hooking up with men. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 4: she's and she's happy to hook up with different men.
Speaker 1: Yes, that was really interesting.
Speaker 2: She said something she specifically references you know, it's not
Speaker 2: just you know, I'm seeing somebody on the side. It's
Speaker 2: like that there's multiple men. I'm seeing multiple men on
Speaker 2: the side.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Did you notice that when Jack Nicholson got out
Speaker 4: of the bed he just put his pants straight on?
Speaker 6: No jocks?
Speaker 2: Yea, he is going commando. Yeah, that happens to the movies.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm just like, really, how many people were wearing
Speaker 2: wearing a pant? I mean where sometimes there's a little
Speaker 2: bit of spilling still after you need that actual I'll
Speaker 2: wear three jocks sometimes if I'm.
Speaker 4: Especially occasion, I'm on an adult pull up. Now, that's
Speaker 4: that's all I know.
Speaker 1: Do you want to give them a plug? Any any
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Speaker 4: That trades I'm on the trades adult.
Speaker 2: If the Honey Badger doesn't advertise those, maybe there's an
Speaker 2: opening there for you. Limo. All right, mate, great stuff.
Speaker 2: I really I'm really am stock. It's been a big series.
Speaker 2: We've covered some big films, Like I said, Psycho a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, in Chinatown today, So yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: really glad we did that, mate.
Speaker 4: Thank you, mate. I really enjoyed it, and I am
Speaker 4: going to go back and watch it again because it
Speaker 4: is It's true. It's an extraordinary film and I can't
Speaker 4: believe and I've known it's a great film for a
Speaker 4: long time. Yeah, you have just never gone there for
Speaker 4: whatever reason. I'd quite understand.
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, I always as long as you
Speaker 2: see film, you think if I see it again, I'll
Speaker 2: give it another train. But I always actively wanted to
Speaker 2: go back and watch this film again. I'm glad we've
Speaker 2: finally done that. And yeah, good luck with the second viewing.
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll talk about them more and we'll see
Speaker 2: on a golf course.
Speaker 4: Indeed, all right, come on clear the area under fag what.
Speaker 5: Get up? That was?
Speaker 2: Limo?
Speaker 1: Always fun the returning guests.
Speaker 2: It has been fun this series to have a few
Speaker 2: more returning guests come through the show six or seventh
Speaker 2: seasons of have you only said nothing yet? So, yeah,
Speaker 2: you've got to have some old friends return. And great
Speaker 2: that we found a film that will live on in
Speaker 2: his head and heart more so than the first film
Speaker 2: we did, which is with Melee and I, which it
Speaker 2: was a bit luke warmon. I didn't mind with Alee
Speaker 2: and I, but I do agree with his point. I
Speaker 2: think for maximum power, I think watching it maybe in
Speaker 2: London in the late eighties early nineties, it would have
Speaker 2: packed more of a punch.
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Speaker 2: I want to also obviously plug next week's show. In fact,
Speaker 2: before I do that, my tour Deconstructed Origami is on
Speaker 2: its last little legs as far as the tour goes.
Speaker 2: The actual show itself is Bloody Gun Gangbusters. Thanks everyone
Speaker 2: in ed Long and Smithfield who came long. But I
Speaker 2: think this Saturday night we're in Pacnam in Victoria. Still
Speaker 2: some ticket left or so some things left for the
Speaker 2: Perth show in I think August eleven and twelve off
Speaker 2: the top of the head, and we'll be finishing up
Speaker 2: in Hobart on September. Sue, I believe, just check the
Speaker 2: Google it and check the websites. But I love doing
Speaker 2: the show. Time for me to pack it away after
Speaker 2: Hobart and start work on my next show, which I'll
Speaker 2: have details about later on, but we'd love to see
Speaker 2: you either in Pacnam or in Perth or in Hobart
Speaker 2: if you're in those areas. Next week on the show,
Speaker 2: we have a big one Jizu, following up Chinatown with
Speaker 2: another massive one. We've had so many people asking can
Speaker 2: somebody do a Tarantino film. We had Phil Lloyd do
Speaker 2: Once upon a Time in Hollywood, which is a pretty
Speaker 2: quick turnaround. Usually we go a little bit further back,
Speaker 2: but we obviously wanted to get to peak Tarantino, and
Speaker 2: I think we're achieving it. Next week I found somebody
Speaker 2: who has not seen Pulp Fiction, one of the most
Speaker 2: important films of the last thirty years, talk about a
Speaker 2: game changer, one of Limo's top films, and we spoke
Speaker 2: a little bit before about the influence Pulp Fiction had
Speaker 2: in regards to Guy Rich's career. It is a massive film,
Speaker 2: so quotable, se many great scenes, soe many great performances.
Speaker 2: And next week my great mate Damien Callenan who is
Speaker 2: a filmmaker himself. I think I think about Damien and
Speaker 2: I reckon if Paul Kelly, the singer Paul Kelly was
Speaker 2: a comedian, it'd kin'd of be Damien Caleman. I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's in my head and I'm bloody running with it.
Speaker 2: I'm sticking with it. But next week Damien callenon, great comedian,
Speaker 2: great writer, great filmmaker, will be discussing and watching for
Speaker 2: the first time Quentin Tarantino's pulp fiction. Until then, by
Speaker 2: an hour and so we leave all Pete safe and salt,
Speaker 2: and to our friends of the radio audience, we'd been
Speaker 2: a pleasant good night