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Speaker 2: Now, time doesn't heal anything. It's what you do with

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Speaker 4: Hello, this is doctor Justin Coulson, the parenting expert on

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Speaker 4: Chillen Nin's Parental Guidance and the founder of Happy Families

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Speaker 4: dot com dot au. Unfortunately missus Happy Families, Kylie couldn't

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Speaker 4: I miss her terribly, but I'm delighted to be able

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Speaker 4: to share the podcast today with a best selling author

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Speaker 4: from overseas. Amy Morien is a licensed clinical social worker

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Speaker 4: the author of the international bestseller Thirteen Things Mentally Strong

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Speaker 4: a whole lot of other stuff, that is just brilliant.

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Speaker 4: But today we're going to talk about her book, Thirteen

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Speaker 4: Things Strong Kids Do. So Amy, thanks for being part

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me on your show.

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Speaker 4: So Amy, one of your books is called thirteen Things

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Speaker 4: Mentally Strong Parents Don't Do. That's not the book we're

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Speaker 2: So a lot of parents struggle in terms of how

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Speaker 4: I'm hanging out with Amy Mourn today, who is from

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Speaker 4: Amy, really appreciate you sharing some ideas with us today.

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Speaker 4: Amy Moron is the author of Thirteen Things Strong Kids Do,

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me on your show.

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Speaker 4: If you'd like more info about making your family happier,

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Speaker 4: you can check out Amy's books the Thirteen Things series,

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