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Speaker 1: Now joining me in the studio is the opposition leader

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Speaker 1: Leah Finocchiaro. Good morning to you, Leah.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah, what was your reaction when you'd learned of

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Speaker 1: what had unfolded just well yesterday morning or late last night,

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Speaker 1: but the night before.

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Speaker 3: Oh Katie, I was in total disbelief. Like most Territorians,

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Speaker 3: it was just the most heart wrenching thing to hear

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Speaker 3: that a young man twenty years old said goodbye to

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Speaker 3: his dad at two o'clock, went to work just to

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Speaker 3: do his shift in his customer service role, to make

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Speaker 3: some money for whatever his future dreams might have been,

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Speaker 3: and to then not come home at the end of

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Speaker 3: that shift. And I think it has just struck a

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Speaker 3: chord with every single territory and it is the moment

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Speaker 3: that we must now force and drive change, for you know,

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Speaker 3: Declan's life or his death cannot be in vain. This

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Speaker 3: has got to be a turning point for the File's

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Speaker 3: government to do things differently and stop the carnage on

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Speaker 3: our streets because people have had enough and this young

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Speaker 3: man's life, the devastation to his family, his friends, his colleagues,

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Speaker 3: the community is too much for anyone to bear.

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Speaker 2: This has got to stop.

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Speaker 1: I've got to tell you, you know, one of the

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Speaker 1: hardest interviews I've ever done in my life was the

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Speaker 1: interview with his dad yesterday. And hearing the absolute heartache

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Speaker 1: but also the absolute shock from his dad I think

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Speaker 1: has just sent well waves of grief through the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory community. People are really so broken, not only for

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Speaker 1: Declan's dad, for his mum, for his whole family and

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Speaker 1: how they must be feeling feeling at this point in time.

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Speaker 1: Now we've spoken to his dad this morning, Crystal. We

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Speaker 1: didn't use his name yesterday, but his dad is happy

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Speaker 1: for us to use his name today. His name is

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Speaker 1: Damien Crook and he is He's an incredibly brave man

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Speaker 1: for being able to come on the show yesterday and

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Speaker 1: speak such beautiful, full fond words about his much love son.

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Speaker 1: Now he also said that something has to change. Something

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Speaker 1: has seriously got a change right now in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 2: The way that we are doing.

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Speaker 1: Things, in my words, not Damien's, are not working. Leah,

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Speaker 1: what do you think needs to happen as a matter

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Speaker 1: of urgency, Well.

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Speaker 3: We wanted to see an immediate crackdown, and I wake

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Speaker 3: up today like every other territory in and see no

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Speaker 3: immediate response from Natasha Files or her government. A crackdown

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Speaker 3: needs to, as much as anything else, give confidence to

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Speaker 3: a community who is grieving and reeling from this tragedy. Now,

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Speaker 3: if you are a customer service worker, any retail worker,

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Speaker 3: not just bottle shops, anyone who serves customers at cafes,

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Speaker 3: at supermarkets, in clothes shops, you are wondering whether or

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Speaker 3: not you are safe. Your family are wondering whether you're

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Speaker 3: going to come home tonight. And that is not a

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Speaker 3: good place for any Territorian to be in. And so

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Speaker 3: we want to see a crackdown using every available force

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Speaker 3: that there is law and order, and that.

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Speaker 2: People will be protected.

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Speaker 3: On top of that, a huge number of other things

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Speaker 3: have to happen, But as a show of support to

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Speaker 3: needed to be an immediate response and Natasha Files has failed.

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Speaker 1: What do you what do you make of the fact

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Speaker 1: of murder, but also a breach of bail.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think most people aren't surprised. Unfortunately, I think

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Speaker 3: breach of bail has been one of the biggest disgraces

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Speaker 3: It's something the CLP have talked about so many times,

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Speaker 3: tried to pass legislation to address and stop that revolving

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Speaker 3: door of bail and being voted down by labor. You know,

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Speaker 3: we've tried to increase mandatory sentencing for front to protect

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Speaker 2: All of that's been tried.

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Speaker 1: But obviously what you're doing at the moment, they're not

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Speaker 1: I know it's difficult, you're not the one in government,

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Speaker 1: Because to be really frank about this, I actually don't

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Speaker 2: Oh and Katie, I couldn't agree more.

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Speaker 3: And we are out there every single day trying to

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Speaker 3: in Natasha fars and her government by moving emotion of

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Speaker 3: no confidence. That is the most serious debate a parliament

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Speaker 3: can have, and it would be very interesting to see

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Speaker 3: if Natasha Fhiles is humble enough to allow that debate

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Speaker 3: to happen or whether she was shut it down like

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Speaker 3: she shuts down everything else. On Wednesday, there's an opportunity

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Speaker 3: the CLP will bring forward its legislation to strengthen police

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Speaker 3: powers to deal with problem drunks. The government can bring

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Speaker 3: We are open always to these conversations. It's a matter

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Speaker 3: this issue. We're on board, Katie. We are with your listeners.

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Speaker 3: We want change in the territory. We want things to

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Speaker 3: be restored to the territory we know and love. But

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Speaker 3: if the labor government don't, it is about that colp

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Speaker 3: and the community coming together and saying enough is enough.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that we need police on bottle shops

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Speaker 1: the same as what you've seen in smaller town centers

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if long term we need that,

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Speaker 3: and today will show of force and support to the community.

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Speaker 3: I think what people really wanted to see was the

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Speaker 3: would go a long way to restoring community order and

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Speaker 3: community confidence. Longer term, there's a range of issues that

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Speaker 3: need to be addressed, and that includes making sure that

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Speaker 3: is dealt with. We've got ninety seven point six percent

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Speaker 3: doesn't support them. We've seen labor scrap Mandatory alcohol treatment.

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Speaker 3: We think there is absolutely a place in our community

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Speaker 3: ultimately giving police back the powers they need dealing with

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Speaker 3: this revolving door of bail. You know, how many chances

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Speaker 2: It seems infinite.

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Speaker 1: Look, you know, I know that the phone lines are

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Speaker 1: I've got to tell you the main reason that it

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Speaker 1: to try to change this very situation where somebody can

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Speaker 3: Well, we're going to start the day with that motion

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Speaker 3: of no confidence.

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Speaker 1: Well that's not going to change it today. It's you,

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Speaker 1: really blunt, that is not going to change it.

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Speaker 3: Yep, Katie, the Natasha Philes should be walking into Parliament

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Speaker 3: today with new legislation, legislation we've put up before.

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Speaker 2: It already exists.

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Speaker 3: She just has to literally walk it in the door

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Speaker 3: and we will support it. We will always support anything

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Speaker 2: This is not a problem with us. This is a

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Speaker 1: Problem with you is that you are coming to me

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Speaker 1: this morning. Also, you know, like I get that you've

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Speaker 1: calling for today is what can you do to work together?

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Speaker 1: They want those political lines just scrap for one morning

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Speaker 1: so that something can change, so that this young fellow's

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Speaker 2: Death is not in vain.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Katie, I could not agree more and that's why

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Speaker 3: I said immediately yesterday his life cannot be in vain.

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Speaker 3: This must be a catalyst for change. Natasha Files must

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Speaker 3: come into Parliament today with legislation. If she does, we

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Speaker 2: What I was getting she doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Will you come forward with some legislation. I know that

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Speaker 1: you've tried to do it before, but will you will

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Speaker 3: Well, we've got our legislation on Wednesday around alcohol, so

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Speaker 3: we welcome the government to get on board with that.

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Speaker 3: They've seen it for a month now, they've had ample

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Speaker 3: is Wednesday. Today's new confidence motion is an opportunity for

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Speaker 2: But equally, the ball is in Natasha Farles's court.

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Speaker 3: If she brings something today into Parliament that will force change.

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Speaker 3: I can tell you the CLP will that be the

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Speaker 3: first ones to congratulate Labor. But ultimately, this has got

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Speaker 1: Leah. Look, there is so much to take in and

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Speaker 1: so much more discussion to be had this morning about

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Speaker 1: But I also want to ask you about the results

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Speaker 1: for the hour. If you're a by election, Labour's Manuel

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Speaker 1: Brown secured eighteen hundred and thirty two votes. The clpce

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Speaker 1: Leslie Tunga Tullum received eight hundred and thirteen. That was

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Speaker 1: as of yesterday, Leah, another loss in a by election

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Speaker 1: for you. What do you think that it says about

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it speaks to the CLP needing to

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Speaker 3: continue to grow and learn from these by elections. Ultimately,

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Speaker 3: I have the unw wavering support of my parliamentary team.

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Speaker 1: Do you have the unwavering support of the rank and

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Katie. We are charging ahead to twenty twenty four. Now,

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Speaker 3: this by election was a really difficult one and I'm

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Speaker 3: not shying away from it. We will absolutely analyze the results.

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Speaker 3: But we had a sitting member pass away. There were

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Speaker 3: lots of cultural considerations to be very respectful of around that.

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Speaker 3: We had an amazing candidate in Leslie Tunga Tullam. And

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Speaker 3: essentially someone said to me yesterday actually which I thought

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Speaker 3: was really poignant. They said, this wasn't an election between

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Speaker 3: political parties, there was an election between families and that's

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Speaker 3: and you heard Manuel Brown. Yes, they be very respectful

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Speaker 2: So ultimately there's lots to learn.

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Speaker 3: We built wonderful relationships with people right across the West

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Speaker 2: We've still got more work to do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the fact here is so the Labor Party

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Speaker 1: as the leader that they did increase their majority.

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Speaker 3: Look, it's certainly disappointing. I'm not going to pretend it's not.

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Speaker 3: We worked incredibly hard. Leslie and his family put in

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Speaker 3: an extraordinary amount of hours, and so did the team

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Speaker 3: and the party membership. You know, it's never nice to lose, Katie, ever,

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Speaker 3: and to lose by a significant amount is a difficult thing,

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Speaker 3: but it's an important catalyst to be looking forward and saying, well,

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Speaker 3: what did we get right?

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Speaker 2: What do we need to improve on?

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Speaker 3: And for me, that really important takeaway is making sure

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Speaker 3: we're out consistently in the bush, making sure people understand

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Speaker 3: who we are, what we believe in, and why we

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Speaker 3: want to make their life better.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that the CLP stance on the voice

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Speaker 1: had a part to play?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so, Katie, because certainly no one proactively

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Speaker 3: raised the voice with us. If we asked people, which

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Speaker 3: of course we did. We're very keen to hear people's

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Speaker 3: views on the voice. Everyone responded saying they needed more information,

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Speaker 3: and that's what our candidate was saying as well.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think it played a role.

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Speaker 3: And ultimately we've got to take the lessons and be

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Speaker 3: stronger for us.

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Speaker 1: So you believe that you are the right person to

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Speaker 1: lead the COLP into the next election.

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Speaker 2: I certainly do. And it's not just me, Katie.

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Speaker 3: You know my entire team and party believe the same thing.

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Speaker 3: And I know that we will continue to show territorians

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Speaker 3: our policy points of different Clearly, issues with community safety,

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Speaker 3: the freefall of our economy and the debt are major

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Speaker 3: differences between us and Labor, and we look forward to

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Speaker 3: having fresh faced candidates out there engaging with their communities

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Speaker 3: right across the territory as we march towards twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Lea Fanocchiaro, the opposition leader, we are going to leave

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Speaker 1: it there. Appreciate your time, particularly on such a busy

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Speaker 1: parliamentary sitting day. Thank you, and please let us know

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Speaker 1: if there is any update when it comes to, you know,

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Speaker 1: some of the different legislation that we spoke about earlier

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Speaker 1: and some of the concerns that the community have got

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Speaker 1: right now, let us know how it goes in there.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, take care everyone, Thank you,