1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Monday, 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: the first of August. 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 2: I believe the tide is running our one. I believe 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: the momentum is with us as never before. I believe 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 2: this country is ready for this reform. I believe there 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: is room in Australian hearts for the statement from the heart. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Anthony Albernezi has asked a very important question 8 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: and it's a question that could change the way First 9 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: Nations people are represented in Australia forever. We're going to 10 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: tell you what it is and what it means in 11 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: just a moment. But first Sam tell us the headlines. 12 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 3: A quick warning to our First Nations listeners. This story 13 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 3: names a deceased person Gundichmarra and Bujerlong. Elder and iconic 14 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 3: singer songwriter Archie Roach has passed away aged sixty six. 15 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 3: He won two ARE Awards and a Human Rights Achievement 16 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 3: Award for his song Took the Children Away, which was 17 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 3: based on his own life experience as a member of 18 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 3: the Stolen Generation. A statement issued by the Roach family 19 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 3: said Archie died surrounded by his family and loved ones, 20 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 3: and that he wanted all of his many fans to 21 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 3: know he loves them for supporting him along the way. 22 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: US President Joe Biden has tested positive for COVID again 23 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: in a so called rebound case after taking the anti 24 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: viral drug pax lavid. He initially tested positive on July 25 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 1: twenty first, and then negative after five days of isolation, 26 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: but a White House physician has said the President has 27 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: experienced no new symptoms and continues to feel quite well. 28 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 3: At least eighty people have been killed and thirty more 29 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 3: are missing in Iran, with floods having reached havoc in 30 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 3: the country for more than a week now. It's the 31 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 3: nation's deadliest water related event in the decade, with around 32 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 3: eighty three million people impacted. 33 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: And in some much needed good news, Emma McKeon, Australian 34 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: swimming sensation, has become the most successful athlete in Commonwealth 35 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: Games history. She set records when she won her eleventh 36 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: career Commonwealth Game medal, the first athlete to ever do so. 37 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: Australia is currently on top of the tally with the 38 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: most gold medals of any nation. The Prime Minister has 39 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: delivered a landmarks speech at the Gama Festival to establish 40 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: for the first time a draft question for a referendum 41 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: to enshrine an Indigenous voice to Parliament and. 42 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: Zara, we have spoken about this before on the podcast. 43 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 3: This is one of the key reforms called for in 44 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 3: the Uluru Statement of the Heart. Can you give us 45 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 3: a quick reminder of what that is. 46 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: On the twenty sixth of May twenty seventeen, two hundred 47 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: and fifty First Nations leaders from across the country gathered 48 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: to deliver and endorse the Uluru Statement from the Heart. 49 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: It outlined the path forward for recognizing First Nations people 50 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: in Australia's constitution. 51 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 3: And where did they land on that well. 52 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: One of the things that the Ularu Statement from the 53 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: Heart called for, and the one we're going to focus 54 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: on today is enshrining an Indigenous voice to Parliament. This 55 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: would be a body enabling First Nations people to advise 56 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: the Parliament on policies that affect them. The new Albanesi 57 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: government has committed to implementing the Laru Statement in full, 58 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: and the Prime Minister's speech on the weekend was an 59 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: indication that they're ready to move forward on a voice 60 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: to Parliament. The Prime Minister highlighted a few key areas 61 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: that the Indigenous voice to Parliament could help in addressing inequality. 62 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: This torment of powerlessness, a life expectancy gap of twenty years, 63 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: some of the worst incarceration rates in the world because 64 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty one years of Commonwealth governments in 65 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: Canberra arrogantly believing they know enough to impose their own 66 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 2: solutions on Aboriginal people have brought us to this point. 67 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 3: So that was Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi on the weekend 68 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 3: clearly saying he wants to move forward on this. How 69 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 3: is he exactly going to make this happen. 70 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: Well, it's not just about implementing a voice to Parliament, 71 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: it's also about guaranteeing that voice in the constitution. 72 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: The voice will exist and endure outside of the ups 73 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 2: and downs of election cycles and the weakness of short 74 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 2: term politics, because a voice enshrined in the constitution cannot 75 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: be silenced. 76 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 3: To change the constitution, you need a referendum. So does 77 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 3: the Prime Minister's speech mean that we're about to see 78 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 3: that happen? 79 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: I think this is where it helps to have a 80 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: bit of historical context, because when you look at Australia's 81 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: recent past, there are some lessons to be learned about 82 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: what it takes to have a successful referendum. Now, there 83 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: have only been forty five four referendums in Australia, and 84 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: of those forty four, only eight have been successful. Now, interestingly, 85 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: one of the eight that was successful was also about 86 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: this country's First nation's people. 87 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 3: And that was the one in nineteen sixty seven. 88 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: Right, Yes, So a lot of people think this is 89 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: when First Nations people got the vote, but that's not 90 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 1: necessarily true. The referendum actually removed two things in the constitution, 91 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: one which said that Federal Parliament couldn't pass laws for 92 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: First Nations people and another which said First Nations people 93 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: couldn't be counted in the census. Australia voted to get 94 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: rid of those in overwhelming numbers. 95 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 3: So does the government expect a referendum on a Voice 96 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 3: to Parliament that slated for early next year to have 97 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 3: a similar landslide victory. 98 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: There's a really high bar for achieving success in a referendum. 99 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: The majority of people in the majority of states must 100 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: vote yes for it to pass. And one of the 101 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: things that made the nineteen sixty seven referendums so successful 102 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: is that it had bipartisan support which means both sides 103 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: of Parliament were in favor of both parties. 104 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 3: Is there bipartisan support for the proposed voice to Parliament 105 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 3: on the weekend? 106 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: Pm Anthony Alberizi did go out of his way to 107 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: recognize representatives from the opposition when he delivered his big speech, and. 108 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 2: In the spirit of cooperation which is so necessary, can 109 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: I acknowledge the Shadow Minister for Indigenous Affairs and the 110 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: Shadow Attorney General Julian Lisa. 111 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: And the political presence at the Gama Festival was very 112 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: much framed as a bipartisan affair. That said, however, it 113 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: is still early days in terms of understanding how the 114 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: coalition will fall on this matter and whether or not 115 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: they'll actually support the Labor government's push for a referendum. 116 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 3: So obviously bipartisan support is a critical ingredient for a 117 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 3: successful referendum in most cases. What else will the government 118 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 3: be thinking about as they work towards this referendum? 119 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: Again, if we look to history, the other thing it 120 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: teaches us is that the more simple the idea taken 121 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: to a referendum, the better it's chance. And this is 122 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,679 Speaker 1: the reason we actually haven't got a lot of detail 123 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: on what the voice to Parliament will be The Prime 124 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: Minister did an interview with the ABC yesterday where he 125 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: referenced a failed referendum in nineteen ninety nine. He said 126 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: that in that case, debate on the details of the 127 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: proposal distracted from the greater issue at hand. So when 128 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: it came to introducing a draft question, the Prime Minister's 129 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: priority was very much to keep things, in his words, 130 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: clear and simple. 131 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 3: All right, So the big reveal. What was the question 132 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 3: put forward? 133 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 2: Do you support an alteration to the Constitution that establishes 134 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, A straightforward proposition, 135 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: a simple principle, a question from the heart. 136 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: As well as publishing what a proposed question would look like, 137 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: the Prime Minister also put forward what his government's recommendation 138 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: would be in terms of adding stuff to the Constitution 139 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: if the referendum was successful. So first it was proposed 140 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: that it would say. 141 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: One, there shall be a body to be called the 142 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander Voice. 143 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: To the Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander Voice may take 144 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: representations to Parliament. 145 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: And the Executive Government on matters relating to Aboriginal and 146 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: Choris Straight Islander peoples. 147 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: And Third, the Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution. 148 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 2: Had power to make laws with respect to the composition, functions, 149 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: powers and procedures of the Aboriginal and Choris Straight Islander Voice. 150 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: In a statement, the government said that these steps could 151 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: be seen as progressing the discussion about constitutional change and 152 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: highlighted that this was not in fact about the final 153 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: form of words, but rather how we get to that 154 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: final form of words. 155 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 3: Here at TDA, we definitely see this as the biggest 156 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 3: policy moment for the Albanezi government and in fact for 157 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 3: the country in a very long time. 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