Speaker 1: Congratulations.
Speaker 2: The best part of your day is happening right now
Speaker 2: listening to me. I'm Art Simone, and very soon I'm
Speaker 2: going to introduce you to someone interesting, exciting, or maybe
Speaker 2: just a little bit querky. They may not seem that
Speaker 2: way to begin with.
Speaker 1: But once I use my skills to uncover what they're
Speaker 1: concealing from usoof, we're in for a wild ride.
Speaker 2: This is concealed with me, Art Simone. Want to meet
Speaker 2: the guests, Well, it's time to roll the tape.
Speaker 1: Happy.
Speaker 3: Hi. My name is Arta and I'm from Melbourne. I
Speaker 3: love art, and in particular I love music and fashion.
Speaker 3: Today I'm not concealing a weird job or a strange hobby.
Speaker 3: I'm here to tell my story.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the studio.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Now, while the sounds of that, we're flipping it up
Speaker 1: a little bit today, is that true?
Speaker 3: Oh indeed?
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Well, hello, I love you to meet you. Now.
Speaker 2: You've come here with your finest pussy cat strawberry shirt.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, it's beautiful if you named the pussy.
Speaker 3: Yes, John, I don't think that's very confident.
Speaker 1: True true? As of now, John, is there are you
Speaker 1: a cat person? Oh?
Speaker 3: Indeed?
Speaker 1: Oh, good, do you have a cat?
Speaker 3: Used to Well, technically it was technically my roommates, and
Speaker 3: then I moved away and I was like, no.
Speaker 1: No, I am your father.
Speaker 2: But that's okay, all right. So from Melbourne, you're into art, music,
Speaker 2: and fashion. Tell me about that please.
Speaker 3: Well, I was initially going to study fashion. I've since
Speaker 3: changed majors, but I have a keen interest in like fashion.
Speaker 3: I particularly enjoy stuff like straight fashion. I like block
Speaker 3: silhouettes and that kind of stuff. Chinese straight fashion is
Speaker 3: also a big like focus of mine. I've always very
Speaker 3: much been a more creative person, especially in my family,
Speaker 3: whereas like a lot of them are very nerdy in
Speaker 3: terms of like maths and stuff like that. But I'm just, oh,
Speaker 3: that looks pretty. I want to know how to make
Speaker 3: things look pretty. There's a lot of maths in fashion, no, absolutely, and.
Speaker 1: Maybe it still runs in the blood.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, of course.
Speaker 1: Okay. So and music, tell me about your your musical interests.
Speaker 3: Well, it's fun because my roommate is actually a music
Speaker 3: student as well, so we kind of feed off each other.
Speaker 3: I love a lot of like new waves stuff in
Speaker 3: the eighties. I grew up with a lot of things
Speaker 3: like the Cure, the Smiths, Susie and the band Cheese.
Speaker 3: That beautiful, that kind of stuff. I also really enjoy
Speaker 3: stuff like I'm post punk and like dark wave and
Speaker 3: like synth wave as well. But yeah, so I just
Speaker 3: love anything that's glossy in neon.
Speaker 2: And speaking of you've got a lovely studded chokra weans.
Speaker 1: We've got some tattoos, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: We've got some lines in your hair. How you used
Speaker 2: to get designs drawn in my head?
Speaker 3: Oh my god?
Speaker 1: What are they called? I don't know hair tattoos?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, like Indians.
Speaker 1: We've got a headress on the hot one.
Speaker 2: Now, can I find a friend?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Yeah, so I'm glad you mentioned music
Speaker 1: that I actually understand. That's what you're gonna be like.
Speaker 1: I'm really into progressive house car alarms.
Speaker 3: I'm into anti music.
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually, just into the absence of sound.
Speaker 3: Yes, just it's not even silence, it's just it's negative noise.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: So we're throwing out the format for the episode today.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be asking you three questions to
Speaker 2: try and guess something. You're gonna be telling me a story.
Speaker 2: Are you gonna be able to give me a hint
Speaker 2: of what you're going to talk to me about today.
Speaker 3: Yes, so some people would say that I was running
Speaker 3: away from something, but I like to think I was
Speaker 3: running towards something, which is yes, that's That's the vaguest
Speaker 3: thing I've ever said.
Speaker 1: It's like a lyric, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I could sit on that for a while. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know what's black, white and red all over newspaper.
Speaker 2: That's the vibe there.
Speaker 1: So we are throwing out the rule book here today
Speaker 1: for Concealed with Utsimon.
Speaker 2: No, no three questions, no salacious secrets hidden away from
Speaker 2: me and concealed No.
Speaker 1: We're going in a bit of a story time today.
Speaker 1: Oh I like that. It's the shakeup. So we're here
Speaker 1: with Arda.
Speaker 2: We've thrown the format out the window for this week's
Speaker 2: episode of Concealed, and you've just given me a hint
Speaker 2: because you're going to be telling me a story today, okay,
Speaker 2: And the hint was something about running away but maybe
Speaker 2: running towards. And all I can think of is exercise.
Speaker 2: And all I think is you're about to come and
Speaker 2: tell me that you're really into fitness. But maybe that's
Speaker 2: not the mood of what's happening today?
Speaker 3: Tell me I'm the world champion of Platoon. No Ah,
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 1: And just like that, Big died.
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ actually wrote the really famous episode, and just
Speaker 2: like that, everyone hates for me.
Speaker 1: I kill Big.
Speaker 3: It's all good. I am here to tell the story
Speaker 3: of how I ran away from home, specifically from a
Speaker 3: very heavily religious, like very deep into cuan on household.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, okay, let's get into it there.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, given that I've just kind of lumped that
Speaker 3: on you, just like a grand piano from twenty feet
Speaker 3: in the sky, I will give some backgrounds. So yeah, obviously,
Speaker 3: I grew up Roman Catholic in a very conservative kind
Speaker 3: of side of town. It was a very diverse out
Speaker 3: of town. I'm actually half indied myself, and I was
Speaker 3: exposed to like diversity and stuff through that, but when
Speaker 3: it came to stuff like queerness, completely shut off. And
Speaker 3: that's kind of like where that all began. Because I've
Speaker 3: I've been very gay from the very beginning. They've been tried,
Speaker 3: they tried to hide it, and it was just kind
Speaker 3: of like no, like are you like yes, it's just
Speaker 3: like you I've seen like there's photos of me as
Speaker 3: little man. I'm like, oh, oh she queer, she fruity
Speaker 3: with the strawberries on my shirt. Yeah anyway, but yes.
Speaker 3: So combined that with the timeline of me figuring out
Speaker 3: that I was trans and figuring out that like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm very much into women, it was just like kind
Speaker 3: of this cocktail of me slowly realizing oh, I have
Speaker 3: to leave, and it all kind of came to a
Speaker 3: head in my brother had just flown down from New
Speaker 3: South Wales. He's in the army, so he was just
Speaker 3: up there for a bit. He came back down and,
Speaker 3: like I remember, because he was there, it was like
Speaker 3: having someone who had been outside of the house for
Speaker 3: a while, who had been exposed to, like, you know,
Speaker 3: the normal world. It was like a light switch because
Speaker 3: I kind of realized, oh my god, this is not
Speaker 3: how a normal house functions, this is not how we're
Speaker 3: supposed to function as a family. And that was like
Speaker 3: my complete cue that I like certainly needed to get out.
Speaker 3: Another factor was also because my parents were deeply into
Speaker 3: the QAnon stuff.
Speaker 1: Can you give a bit of background of what q
Speaker 1: and on is?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, of course, So q and on is basically
Speaker 3: this conspiracy theory. It's connected to a lot of other
Speaker 3: conspiracy theories, but the main kind of head of it
Speaker 3: is that there's this mythical person who's referred to as
Speaker 3: Q and apparently they're like an XCIA person and that's
Speaker 3: how they know all this stuff, and they're giving us
Speaker 3: all these cryptic codes, and they're making like almost this idea,
Speaker 3: this myth that like we're all kind of neo and
Speaker 3: we're in the matrix and we all need to leave
Speaker 3: and oh my yeah, it's justikes.
Speaker 1: Yes, paper, it sounds really believable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, it's just I was like hook Land
Speaker 3: and sink a Soul. It was just like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it was very intense, and I was like one
Speaker 3: of those things where I got a job and that
Speaker 3: was my first introduction to what the world looks like,
Speaker 3: like what the real world was, because all I'd ever
Speaker 3: been really exposed was this kind of coddled Catholic ideal.
Speaker 3: For context, I was also homeschooled, so oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: we're deep in the Bible belting. I know we're trapped inside. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: How does that feel for you when when you're coming
Speaker 2: to terms with who you know, you are on the inside,
Speaker 2: but you're also surrounded in this environment and not able
Speaker 2: to see, you know, really get any exposure from the
Speaker 2: outside world.
Speaker 1: What is that like?
Speaker 3: Oh, it's like, for a physical example, it's like having
Speaker 3: like a foggy mirror. It's like there's something that there
Speaker 3: is still a wett of you, but you can't quite
Speaker 3: see it. But it's like, you know, when you get
Speaker 3: out of the shower and you try to wipe a
Speaker 3: foggy mirror clean, but it's like it doesn't quite do it,
Speaker 3: and it still drips and everything. You still can't see it,
Speaker 3: and it's you can rub as hard as you can
Speaker 3: with your hands, but you can't. It's never going to
Speaker 3: be completely clear. It's like there was missing pieces and
Speaker 3: being so isolated felt like it was like when you're
Speaker 3: in that environment, it's kind of like you're again with
Speaker 3: the cats. It's I remember hearing hearing an example of
Speaker 3: something not quite being right, and it's like it's like
Speaker 3: you're a blind cat that you have even though you
Speaker 3: have one of your senses removed from you, there's still
Speaker 3: this instinct that there's something there that that shouldn't be there.
Speaker 1: So you get you get a job, Yes, and you're
Speaker 1: in the real world.
Speaker 3: I actually coincidentally got a job in the city, which
Speaker 3: was instrumental in me getting out because that's real life.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and that's where I meet my very first
Speaker 3: like queer people. I remember meeting a quick couple who
Speaker 3: actually eventually got married, and I met the very first
Speaker 3: trance person I ever met. She was really influential to
Speaker 3: me because it was in seeing real life that I
Speaker 3: started to really again crack started showing because what I
Speaker 3: was told about.
Speaker 2: Gay people growing up, like the Truman Show. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: that's another analogy for you. Yes, you've been living on
Speaker 2: your little Truman show.
Speaker 3: You're like, wait a second, Yeah, this is something's not
Speaker 3: quite right.
Speaker 1: This isn't correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, real and it's like you start to see it.
Speaker 3: But specifically, something that I was told about gay people
Speaker 3: growing up was that it's purely carnal. It's not love,
Speaker 3: I know, And that's something that's that was really hard
Speaker 3: because yeah, I know, right. That was directly challenged by
Speaker 3: what I saw in that workplace, seeing that couple work,
Speaker 3: seeing them the way they spoke to each other, the
Speaker 3: way they treated each other, and in doing that, the
Speaker 3: way they supported the team. It was with absolute just
Speaker 3: adoration and affection, and I was like, it was just
Speaker 3: like it directly challenged everything. I haven't even started to
Speaker 3: rock that.
Speaker 1: Are you already at this stage thinking I have to
Speaker 1: start unlearning some of these what I've been told.
Speaker 3: Not yet. Not when I started that job.
Speaker 1: Were you used to like, oh, that's good for them,
Speaker 1: but not to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and not even that. It was just kind of like,
Speaker 3: I'm living a holy life. I'm living the good life,
Speaker 3: and these people as happy as they look, they're happier
Speaker 3: than me, But that doesn't matter. This is the truth,
Speaker 3: and I have to be happy with that. And I
Speaker 3: kind of put on this brave face, if you will.
Speaker 3: By that point, I actually left school and working was
Speaker 3: the only thing I had. I really started to examine
Speaker 3: what I was being fed and the fact that I
Speaker 3: was being lied to. I started seeing the hate. I
Speaker 3: started spending every hour I could away from the house.
Speaker 3: I used to work eight hour shifts and even when
Speaker 3: I was like at in the city at the twenty
Speaker 3: four hour location. I remember being sixteen years old and
Speaker 3: I used to turn a four hour shift into a
Speaker 3: ten hour shift, and even after that, I'd stay up
Speaker 3: in the office because I just didn't want to go home,
Speaker 3: and I did that day in day out. I got
Speaker 3: in contact with my brother who had left home already.
Speaker 3: Their name is Tommy, and they were a massive help,
Speaker 3: and we met up secretly in the city and then
Speaker 3: we sat down and we talked and I was like,
Speaker 3: you know, our parents are are bloody crazy, and like, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I was waiting for you to figure it out because
Speaker 3: I knew you would eventually, and it was amazing. But
Speaker 3: after hanging out with them, it was just like the
Speaker 3: longer I stayed, the more I realized that it was
Speaker 3: just like it was so toxic and it was just hateful,
Speaker 3: and it was exhausting to be there.
Speaker 1: At this point. Had you now come into your queerness?
Speaker 3: Oh no, definitely. I was still very much closeted. There
Speaker 3: was an attempt to come out that was shut down
Speaker 3: very quickly.
Speaker 1: Being out in the world and working had you at
Speaker 1: least though, like started to think, Okay, I'm beginning to
Speaker 1: understand who I am.
Speaker 3: Yes, I was very scared by it, and I used
Speaker 3: to like I used to equivocate like hell. I remember
Speaker 3: in the very early stages one of the things I
Speaker 3: used to say about myself was that I was I'm
Speaker 3: not transgender. I just have gender dysphoria and that makes
Speaker 3: me mentally ill. So and that's how I used to
Speaker 3: justify it, which is horrific and horrible. Yeah, oh quite literally. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But eventually it just started kind of peeling away and
Speaker 3: I realized, Oh, this is just kind of who I am.
Speaker 3: The sexuality and stuff like that was something that came
Speaker 3: along later when I was out of the house, but
Speaker 3: the gender stuff was always just something that there's always
Speaker 3: been an incongruence for me and my understanding of gender
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. I've always kind of realized that
Speaker 3: it's been slightly different to my peers, and especially like
Speaker 3: given like the fact that I used to go to
Speaker 3: like an all girls youth group and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: and it was just kind of like, oh, their understanding
Speaker 3: of what it means to be themselves is so different
Speaker 3: to me. And it's just like, on a basic fundamental level,
Speaker 3: I'm not a woman, but I don't understand like I
Speaker 3: thought I was a man for a long time, and
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know what the hell to
Speaker 3: do with this, because it's just like you have to
Speaker 3: box it away and just kind of compartmentalize and explain
Speaker 3: it away. So I devised a plan. I had a
Speaker 3: day to myself one day where I didn't have work,
Speaker 3: where I sat in my room and I figured out
Speaker 3: what I was taking with me and what I wasn't
Speaker 3: And every day when i'd wake up for five in
Speaker 3: the morning to go to a shift at, I was
Speaker 3: about to say the chain name, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: do that. Every time i'd go to work, I ca, yeah, yes,
Speaker 3: there we go. And every time i'd go to make
Speaker 3: meeples that I care. Every time I would do that,
Speaker 3: I would carpool with another friend from work and we'd
Speaker 3: go to work. I'd take a shoe box full of
Speaker 3: my stuff, and slowly I started taking pretty much my
Speaker 3: entire life with me and I got like one of
Speaker 3: the first things I ended up getting out was my documents,
Speaker 3: so like my birthsert, and I held it at one
Speaker 3: of my friend's house. It was held at the friend
Speaker 3: that used to like stick with me outside of my parents' house.
Speaker 3: And basically I was slowly feeding myself away out until
Speaker 3: I was invited to a mate's house. And this friend
Speaker 3: is also just like amazing, And I remember having a
Speaker 3: phone conversation with her, like a couple weeks before, and
Speaker 3: I was just like, I can't do this. I hate
Speaker 3: this house. I feel unloved, and like I know I'm unloved,
Speaker 3: specifically because of the way they like treat me, the
Speaker 3: way they speak about people like me, of like my
Speaker 3: queerness and stuff like that. My friend feels really bad
Speaker 3: for me after that phone call and is like, you know,
Speaker 3: let's organize a day that's just for you. You can come
Speaker 3: to mind, stay for a few hours, we can have lunch,
Speaker 3: we'll watch a movie, and you don't have to think
Speaker 3: about any of that. And I'm like, shit, yeah, that
Speaker 3: sounds great. So she comes in, picks me up. We
Speaker 3: go to hers, We have lunch, it's a fun day,
Speaker 3: and then we're looking for a movie. We're sitting there
Speaker 3: and I remember the entire time that I was there,
Speaker 3: but particularly when we started watching the movie, there was
Speaker 3: this deep discomfort. It was like, even though it was
Speaker 3: good because I was away from the house, I knew
Speaker 3: that I had to come back no matter how long
Speaker 3: I spent there. Even if I stayed a couple hours
Speaker 3: more after the movie, or if I stayed like at
Speaker 3: hers overnight, I would eventually have to come back and
Speaker 3: I couldn't do it. So We're about halfway through the
Speaker 3: movie and I'm physical shaking by this point. I'm like
Speaker 3: it's it's bad. So my friend pauses the movie, looks
Speaker 3: at me and goes, ahda, sweetie, please don't.
Speaker 1: Lie to me.
Speaker 3: Can you tell me what's going on? And like, are
Speaker 3: you okay? I turned to her and I say I
Speaker 3: can't do another night, and she sits there, she kind
Speaker 3: of contemplates for a second. She goes, Okay, what do
Speaker 3: we do about that? And I'm like, shit, okay, wow, okay,
Speaker 3: this is kind of falling into place. This is insane.
Speaker 3: And we go back to my parents' place and are
Speaker 3: you going back? Yes? Going? So we slingshot and we
Speaker 3: went yeah, yeah, pretty much, just a couple other things,
Speaker 3: just a couple of clothes and stuff like that. I know,
Speaker 3: I had a gas mask and everything. I was just
Speaker 3: entering that railoactive wasteland one last time. It was amazing.
Speaker 3: I think we played one more time by dark.
Speaker 1: I know, okay, you go back into the walls all right? Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm on the presscuts please and car sound effects please. Yes,
Speaker 1: I want to set the turne for me.
Speaker 3: So she backs her car in, I open up the
Speaker 3: garage store. It's showtime. After that, we walk up to
Speaker 3: the door and we give it a big knock. Okay,
Speaker 3: it's going to take a sec. Okay, the dog's barking.
Speaker 3: They're coming. Oh god, we're actually doing this. And then
Speaker 3: they open up the door and the pleasantries begin. Oh hello, yeah,
Speaker 3: how hell are you doing here? What? So I sneak
Speaker 3: back into my room. My room's in the back of
Speaker 3: the house. So's the laundry, so is the back door
Speaker 3: to the backyard. I have a threwway to the garage.
Speaker 3: I get what is essentially the rest of my life
Speaker 3: out of my room into the back of Gen's car
Speaker 3: in about twenty minutes while she butters them up.
Speaker 1: So what's your favorite color? Oh?
Speaker 3: Pretty much, that's really nice, and.
Speaker 1: Thinking the weather is just so cool.
Speaker 3: Sorry, the weather is weathering. It's just twelve seasons, wonderful.
Speaker 3: After I have all my stuff in her car, I
Speaker 3: go up to the kitchen and I waltz in. I
Speaker 3: swagger in. For this it was less of a swagger,
Speaker 3: more of a shimmy. And I was jittery, bittery and
Speaker 3: not very glittery, and I just kind of go so dinner,
Speaker 3: and then she's just like, yeah, yeah, we gotta go.
Speaker 3: We end up kind of speed walking to her car.
Speaker 3: We shut the doors, and I remember like we wandered
Speaker 3: up the windows and We're like pulling out of my
Speaker 3: parents driver, and I'm just like, Flori, Florid, Florid, please,
Speaker 3: I need to leave. And then like, now my parents
Speaker 3: are under the impression that I'm going to dinner with Jen.
Speaker 2: It's a long dinner, it's a station rights, it's just
Speaker 2: you know, it's a buffet, it's a while, yes.
Speaker 1: You know what's new experimental dinner.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Basically, because they're still under the impression that I'm
Speaker 3: like going out to dinner and stuff like that, we
Speaker 3: have to find a way to tell them. So I
Speaker 3: ended up drafting a message and if it's all right,
Speaker 3: I'm I could just read that to you now. If
Speaker 3: it's alright, please hi, Mum and dad. I'm sorry if
Speaker 3: the shock it comes as a shock to you both.
Speaker 3: But I'll be moving out tonight. I'm safe and careful,
Speaker 3: and I do have a place to stay. All of
Speaker 3: my belongings that I wish to take with me are
Speaker 3: out of the house already. I have discerned and deliberated
Speaker 3: on this, and I believe this decision is the best
Speaker 3: thing I can do for my own wellbeing. This is
Speaker 3: not something I take lightly, and I understand if you
Speaker 3: are heard by this, but I think this is the
Speaker 3: best thing for our relationship moving forward. I would like
Speaker 3: to have time and space separate from us, and I
Speaker 3: will contact you when I'm ready. I understand you will
Speaker 3: have a lot of questions, but I would like time
Speaker 3: to work through some things in my own personal life.
Speaker 3: I sincerely hope you can respect that.
Speaker 1: And that was it said. Yeah, that's the phone out
Speaker 1: the window.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, at six twenty seven pm. Those
Speaker 3: were almost the last words I ever said to my folks,
Speaker 3: and they did not respond, and I think that was
Speaker 3: probably the best response they ever could have.
Speaker 2: So what's it like being on the other side? Oh,
Speaker 2: my god, tell me about it. How's the mirror looking,
Speaker 2: how's the reflection?
Speaker 3: Oh it's crystal clear?
Speaker 1: Oh good? Yeah? Good? So yeah, Demmie, what it's been
Speaker 1: like being on the other side and being able to
Speaker 1: like live your authentic self?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Because I think it's it's important to also, as we
Speaker 1: tell this story, to also show the benefit and the
Speaker 1: success and you know what you got to do at
Speaker 1: the end of course.
Speaker 3: So I've actually been like actively like helping a lot
Speaker 3: of transpaces and stuff like that. I've been going to
Speaker 3: a lot of protests and like doing a lot of
Speaker 3: activism for a lot of trans causes. Because the one
Speaker 3: thing that like being out and open has taught me
Speaker 3: is that I'm just again. It's so much happier. And
Speaker 3: the thing is, it's just when you live your life
Speaker 3: in that same hate, in that restriction, when it's in
Speaker 3: pursuit of something that like practically doesn't really exist, in
Speaker 3: pursuit of perfection, and you don't accept who you really are,
Speaker 3: you begin to atrophy. You're not you. It's just like
Speaker 3: you quite literally begin to die. And coming out quite
Speaker 3: literally did save my life. And I find that in
Speaker 3: being out and proud I've been able to help other people,
Speaker 3: I've been able to help myself. One of the things
Speaker 3: that I've come to appreciated. One of the examples that
Speaker 3: I use about my own happiness is the moments that
Speaker 3: I have with like my chosen family, and also the
Speaker 3: moments that I have with my partner where I'm at
Speaker 3: hers or she's at mine, one of us will be
Speaker 3: making dinner and the other one will be just sitting
Speaker 3: down relaxing, or we'll be making dinner together. And it's
Speaker 3: the fact that I can live in normalcy and in
Speaker 3: peace without having to think about it, the fact that
Speaker 3: I have worked so hard to get to this point
Speaker 3: where I can finally just have a moment where I
Speaker 3: can sit down with somebody I love and just have
Speaker 3: dinner whilst being the truest I can be.
Speaker 2: Arta came in and totally flipped this podcast on its head.
Speaker 2: Ow I'm pretty good at uncovering what people are concealing
Speaker 2: from three questions.
Speaker 1: But AR don't know if I ever would have guessed
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