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Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, Chloe zep and Mitchellville's update

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Speaker 1: about their new home shocks followers, Reese Hawkins sparks new

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Speaker 1: that's rattled Millennials. Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your

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Speaker 1: dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice

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Speaker 1: a week. I'm Sophie Tolbert and Kay I never thought

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Speaker 1: i'd see the day, but you were recently involved in

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Speaker 1: one of those big wedding dance routines. I'm as shocked

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Speaker 1: as you are, Sophie. So my sister and brother in

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Speaker 1: law they got married last weekend and it was an

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Speaker 1: incredible wedding and they are both professional dancers, so they

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Speaker 1: decided they would do this really cool dance routine for

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Speaker 1: their first wedding dance. And I didn't realize until the

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Speaker 1: hens that that meant that the bridal party also had

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Speaker 1: to be involved. And anyone who knows me knows that

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Speaker 1: I have two left feet. It took a lot of

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Speaker 1: persuading for me even to be involved in my own

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Speaker 1: wedding dance, let alone be a part of a professional

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Speaker 1: dancer's wedding dance. And I also don't drink, and that

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Speaker 1: wedding night I had I think eight moscados just to

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Speaker 1: get me through the embarrassment. A bit of Dutch courage.

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Speaker 1: Now the wedding dancing question. They did a whole scene

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Speaker 1: from Dirty Dancing. It was so epic. There were lifts,

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Speaker 1: there was everything. But I was waiting for your involvement, Kate,

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Speaker 1: and you were pumping it up, saying, Oh, I'm so embarrassed,

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Speaker 1: I've got to do this big dance routine. I reckon.

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Speaker 1: Your little dance went for about five seconds, yes, but

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Speaker 1: it was very intricate, so there were lots of different

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Speaker 1: moves and the other bridesmaids were so lovely they were

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Speaker 1: trying to teach me how to do it. But again,

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Speaker 1: wedding dances go viral on TikTok, and I reckon this

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Speaker 1: our TikTok. Oh, Yes, we will be sharing it, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I think if we get enough votes on Instagram, we

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Speaker 1: will be sharing it now. Kate, we are recording this

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Speaker 1: virtually again. I feel like we're back in lockdown days.

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Speaker 1: the show notes. All right, guys, welcome back to Minor

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Speaker 1: Chloe's channel. Chloe Zepp and Mitch Orville have surprised their

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Speaker 1: followers by revealing details about their new home. The controversial

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Speaker 1: couple revealed this week that they have moved house more

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Speaker 1: than a year after their terrifying home invasion. Before we

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Speaker 1: get into our opinions, Kate, can you give us a

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Speaker 1: quick rundown of Chloe and Mitch's property timeline. Yeah. So.

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Speaker 1: Chloe and Mitch purchased their first family home back in

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Speaker 1: February twenty twenty one, and at the time, they announced

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Speaker 1: the news by sharing a photo of themselves standing in

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Speaker 1: front of the sold sign, which is pretty common practice now.

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Speaker 1: While the address was blurred, the house description was still visible,

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Speaker 1: which read Luxury Hampton style home blue Chip location. Now,

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Speaker 1: it didn't take long for followers wanting a sticky beak

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Speaker 1: even went as far as sending Chloe and Mitch's screenshots

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Speaker 1: of their address, which led Chloe and Mitch to call

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Speaker 1: for privacy and remove the photo of them and the

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Speaker 1: sold sign. Despite these calls for privacy, Chloe and Mitch

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Speaker 1: did a full house tour on YouTube once they moved in.

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Speaker 1: Now a year later, the couple shocked followers by announcing

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Speaker 1: they were selling their home. So Initially, Chloe and Mitch

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Speaker 1: told nine News and real estate dot Com that they

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Speaker 1: property market. However, the truth was that they had been

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Speaker 1: robbed three times. Yes, so in May of last year,

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Speaker 1: Chloe revealed it was a final terrifying home invasion that

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Speaker 1: vision of intruders entering their home at three As in

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Speaker 1: following the home invasion, the couple moved into a hotel

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Speaker 1: we definitely learned the value of our safety that night,

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Speaker 1: especially having children in the house. You go into some

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Speaker 1: is of our highest value. Now. Our address was posted

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Speaker 1: been there ever since. They also took time off social

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Speaker 1: really did seem to affect them. It is why it

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Speaker 1: was so confusing this week when they announced it their

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Speaker 1: over eight hundred thousand collective followers that they were moving

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Speaker 1: which included a photo of their stunning new balcony with

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Speaker 1: decision to share? I was personally very surprised, as Chloe

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Speaker 1: she had learned. I mean, the first time they bought

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Speaker 1: But the thing is that they're just going to be

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Speaker 1: like that has happened. It seems like they're grappling with Wow,

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Speaker 1: TikToker Sophia beg has us questioning whether the clothes we

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Speaker 1: which is the Sofa dofh effect. So basically, any clothes

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Speaker 1: the term really gained traction when Sofa Dofa ended her

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Speaker 2: watching me, And when I try and scream, like to

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Speaker 2: tell somebody that he's in the house, nothing comes out.

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Speaker 1: That that was just so funny. Holly also holds a

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Speaker 1: fear that when Michael Jackson's music is played, his presence

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Speaker 1: may appear in the room, so she does try to

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Speaker 1: avoid his music at all costs. Now, this video was

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Speaker 1: intended to be a bit of fun, with Holly saying

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Speaker 1: that her family and friends have been giving her shit

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Speaker 1: about this for years. She said that the night Michael

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Speaker 1: Jackson died, she couldn't sleep for forty eight hours, so

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Speaker 1: her dad stood outside her room and made the he no,

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Speaker 1: it's is all night. What a dad. That's just such

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Speaker 1: a dad thing to do. I when I saw this,

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Speaker 1: I immediately sent it to you guys, and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: maybe this is a prank, because I have fallen for

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Speaker 1: some but it was dead set legit. And the funniest

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Speaker 1: bit is that Holly's comment section was flooded with users

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Speaker 1: saying that they shared her phobia. So one user wrote,

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Speaker 1: this is genuinely bizarre. I thought I was the only

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Speaker 1: person who had this fear. I used to have to

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Speaker 1: run down the stairs because I think he's behind me.

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Speaker 1: Another said, why is this fear of Michael Jackson so universe?

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Speaker 1: I do have a theory why. Because Michael Jackson died

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine, so that's fourteen years ago,

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Speaker 1: and for many people in the early twenties, they would

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Speaker 1: have been young kids at the time when he passed away,

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Speaker 1: and to kids, I feel like he's become more of

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Speaker 1: this caricature than a real person. So they don't really

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Speaker 1: know him for his music. They know him for a

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Speaker 1: lot of his scandals, so there was obviously a lot

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Speaker 1: of speculation in the press about his ever changing appearance

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Speaker 1: and his skin condition, and near the time that he died,

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Speaker 1: he had been in court over child molestation charges. And

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Speaker 1: also there was so much speculation about his theme park, Neverland.

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Speaker 1: There was a bit of a weird vibe obviously going on.

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Speaker 1: And I think that all of these are ingredients which

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Speaker 1: caused a lot of kids to be confused and skied

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Speaker 1: about him and create this really freaky character. I saw

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Speaker 1: that Holly the TikToker was asked if she would ever

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Speaker 1: go to never manch we never. Is there anything that

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Speaker 1: you have a weird phobia of, or used to have

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Speaker 1: a weird phobia of? Growing up, I remember as a child,

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Speaker 1: you and I wanted longer hair. Not much has change now.

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Speaker 1: We still do use hair extensions. And I remember watching

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Speaker 1: snow White and the Seven Dwarfs and that witch in

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Speaker 1: it really freaked me out, and for some reason, I

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Speaker 1: got it in my head that the witch from snow

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Speaker 1: White was going to creep into our room and cut

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Speaker 1: all my hair off. So I used to I used

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Speaker 1: to sleep with my blanket wrapped around my head, and

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Speaker 1: I actually still sleep like that now, not because of

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Speaker 1: the fear, but I'm just sleeping like that same phobia.

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Speaker 1: But a more recent phobia that I've had is about

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Speaker 1: John Benet Rams And that might sound really weird, but

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Speaker 1: she's that little pageant girl that was killed and the

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Speaker 1: circumstances are still unknown. I mean, it sounds like it

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Speaker 1: was her brother. But I remember just being really freaked

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Speaker 1: out to be alone because I don't know. Saying about

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Speaker 1: it just really put me on edge. I know we

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Speaker 1: watched it when we were like twenty eight, but I

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Speaker 1: remember we were like, can you come a bathroom with me?

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Speaker 1: Because we had just watched it and everyone was freaking out.

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Speaker 2: Are you thirty? This is not what a thirty year

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Speaker 2: old she'd be dealing. Shut up up. I didn't realize

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Speaker 2: filming videos had an agek I didn't realize filming yourself

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Speaker 2: making a cute utfit had an age gate.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize, Oh my god, I'm so sorry, let

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Speaker 1: me just retire. An old letter sent to Lily Brown's

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Speaker 1: mum Nat has been unearthed by gossip account influencer updates Au.

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Speaker 1: The letter was sent from the mother of an old classmate,

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Speaker 1: scolding Nat for allowing her daughter to do influencing as

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Speaker 1: a career. So if this letter was so bad, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I have to read it out and

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Speaker 1: fall to give it justice. So the letter read dear

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Speaker 1: missus Brown, as another MBGC mother with a daughter in

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Speaker 1: the same year as Lily, you must just be so

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Speaker 1: proud of who she is and what she has become.

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Speaker 1: After watching her latest exploit into social media and her

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Speaker 1: recent YouTube clip, it is just so disappointing to see

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Speaker 1: the young kids going down this path. I mean, really,

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Speaker 1: what a disgrace that your child has stooped so low

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Speaker 1: that she thinks this is actually a glamorous career for her,

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Speaker 1: and what a waste of private school education. Lily was

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Speaker 1: obviously never the brightest card in the pack, but surely

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Speaker 1: she could do better than being a simple sales assistant

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Speaker 1: or this hasn't she been encouraged to actually study. The

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Speaker 1: feedback from her peers is just laughable, And the sad

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Speaker 1: thing is they'll probably never tell her what they're thinking

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Speaker 1: or saying behind her back. It's not pretty, I can

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Speaker 1: assure you. Anyway, if creating an image of simply being

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Speaker 1: an airhead, that's great at talking crap applying makeup and

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Speaker 1: looking like a fake plastic doll is her thing, then

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Speaker 1: who am I to criticize? You just need to be

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Speaker 1: aware as a mother that a credibility is that of

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Speaker 1: a bimbo now and unfortunately that reflects sadly, Wow, what

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Speaker 1: was her problem? Like, that's ridiculous. I can't believe anyone

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Speaker 1: would even I mean disbelieve that an adult would write

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Speaker 1: a letter and then actually send it off. It is

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Speaker 1: clear that this mother is part of one of those

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Speaker 1: clique private school mother's groups, and they see Lily's career

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Speaker 1: choice as a reflection on the school and the year level,

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Speaker 1: which is just so laughable because now I'm sure that

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Speaker 1: there are so many of those girls in the year

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Speaker 1: level that are jealous of Lily's success that she's now

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00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: had with her sleepwear line. And also there's just so

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Speaker 1: many It's so funny because there's so many private school

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Speaker 1: girls now that wanna be influences. Yeah, that's literally the

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Speaker 1: number one job that kids want to be these days.

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Speaker 1: Lily shared the letter on Snapchat story and wrote, loll

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Speaker 1: to the bitch who wrote this letter to my mum.

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Speaker 1: When I first started doing YouTube, I know who you

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Speaker 1: are and I'm coming for you. You're pathetic. Who's laughing now?

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Speaker 1: I just don't get what Lily's mum was supposed to

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Speaker 1: reply to this letter. Did the mum actually want a response? Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's just a power play to kind of belittle her

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Speaker 1: and make her feel like shit. I mean, they're kind

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Speaker 1: of saying that it's her fault for not bringing her

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Speaker 1: up right as well. The letter just was so elitist

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00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: as well, sort of putting their nose up at someone

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Speaker 1: working as a salesis. The whole thing was really gross.

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Speaker 1: Now that is all we've got time for today. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us for another episode of Outspoken.

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