WEBVTT - Instagram King Dethroned, Puppy Love & Trolls Caught Out 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:03.000 This episode of Outspoken is brought to you by Sitting 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:07.920 Pretty Halo Hair. This is Outspoken, the podcast is not 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:10.479 afraid to say exactly what you're thinking. 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:13.119 Our names are Amy Kate and Sophie Torborth. 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:17.320 We're identical triplets, but we often don't have identical opinions, 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:21.760 so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers all things 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:26.160 reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women. 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:28.440 That is so fetched. 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:33.160 Thank you, Welcome back to Outspoken. Thank you for joining 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.960 us for another episode. Now, Sophie is apologizing in advance 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:39.720 because she is going to be a little slow today. 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:41.800 Yeah, I'm absolutely wrecked. 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:45.040 I've had no sleep in three days because We've got 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:48.680 our dog Archie on Friday, and he is the most 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:51.440 beautiful dog I think I've ever laid my eyes on. 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:53.240 I love how croaky your voice sounds. 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.720 Oh my god. I have been up like five times 0:00:56.760 --> 0:01:00.400 every night. He wakes up at one, then two, then four, 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.960 then six, and then we cuddle until eight. Sophi's that 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:05.560 she feels like she has a newborn baby. I literally 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:08.200 do for anyone who's getting a puppy. Prepare yourselves because 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:09.360 it's a lot of work. 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:11.440 Well, the first night. He was pretty good, though, wasn't he? 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.840 Because I woke up expecting messages saying she was so 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:16.840 exhausted on Saturday morning, but. 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:18.479 You were like, oh my gosh, she was amazing. 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:21.120 That was the facade. I think he was exhausted the 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:23.919 first day, and now he's got into the groove of things. 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:27.000 He thinks it's fun to wake momentbad up. But yeah, 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.160 he is just so beautiful and I think we've popped 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.039 up a few photos on our Instagram page. He is 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:34.200 just the most gorgeous thing I've ever seen, and I'm 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:36.160 going to put it out there so because I'm his 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:38.560 proud auntie. If you do want to follow him, he 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:41.240 is on TikTok and Instagram, so we'll put all of 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:44.280 those details below because he's my little project at the moment. 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.240 I kind of want him to take off on TikTok 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:48.560 because he's so gorgeous. And we also add this is 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.640 another proud mum moment that he's sitting in a little 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.800 basket next to us asleep, just being adorable, and so 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.440 is gig our cat, So they're getting along famously at 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:58.720 the moment. Yeah. Well, other than the excitement of getting 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.480 Archie this weekend, Amy and I also had some fun. 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:04.320 I think Amy was more excited about this revelation than 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:05.240 getting Archie. 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:05.720 Yeah. 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.160 Well, on Saturday, I was driving home. I didn't have 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.800 too much to do. And as listeners of the podcast 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.959 will know, I absolutely love Gary Vee and I love 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.720 his world of flipping, so buying something for a cheaper 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:18.960 price and then flipping it for a more expensive price. 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:20.480 And I've been telling. 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:22.640 Kate that she should be getting into it because it 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:23.959 is a great way to make. 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:25.080 A little bit of extra money. 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:27.600 Well, I was reluctant to do so because Amy has 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.239 actually turned one of the bedrooms in her rental into 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:32.520 a flipping room, so it's literally full of like old 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:34.200 trash that she's turning into treasure. 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:35.000 So I know. 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.200 Reese was a bit worried when I said I was 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:39.079 going shopping with her because he. 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:40.560 Is very minimalistic. 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:42.920 But I went along and said, look, I'm just going 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:45.240 to support you and see what you do, because I 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:46.760 was pretty bored on the weekend. 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:48.840 Yeah, but as soon as you walked in, you were 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:49.359 loving it. 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:52.320 Oh well, I've always loved soft toys, so I went 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.360 straight to the toys and they had all these beanie 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:57.200 kids in there and I was just reliving my childhood. 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:59.960 But when we got out of the store, I looked 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:03.920 up the most valuable beanie bears, no so beanie babies, 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.080 and it came up with one that we already own, 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:10.840 that Sophie has, and apparently it's worth twenty one thousand dollars. Yeah. 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:13.400 I think that's because I don't think it will be 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.680 that because I don't actually want I don't know where 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:17.520 it is. Look, there's the two. There needs to be 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.600 specific tags. There's lots of rules around the valuable ones. 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:22.560 They have to have a mistake on the tag. But 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.440 I love it because this afternoon Kate is so pumped 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.200 about the beanie Bears that she and I are going down. 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:30.959 We found someone on Facebook marketplace and we're going down 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:34.079 to buy them, and finally she understands the appeal of 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:39.160 the flip world. Let's get into the first topic, which 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.160 is all about influencer Reese Hawkins, who was shocked his 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:46.119 followers by announcing he's quitting YouTube. So, for those who 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:50.160 don't know, Reese is Tammy hembrose X and baby Daddy, 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:53.280 So they're basically the first Australian power couple. 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:54.200 Of Instagram, aren't they. 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:56.320 Yeah, well, a lot of people actually nickname them the 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.520 King and Queen of Instagram, and they basically dated for 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.800 four years before shocking all their followers when they broke 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.600 up in twenty eighteen. Yeah. Well, they're very young couple 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:07.400 and that's what attracted a lot of attention in the 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.560 first place, because they both had their first child I 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.080 think it was at nineteen years old, and they sort 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.600 of became this perfect family and someone to look up 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:16.920 to as a young person. To be honest, I don't 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:20.360 really follow Tammy Hembro or Reese Hawkins, and I've done 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:22.719 a lot of research into them, and they actually were 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:24.880 not insta famous at all when they first met, so 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:28.560 Tammy didn't have a massive following. She was basically once 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:31.640 they a massive ass. No, she was, for want of 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:33.960 a better word, and nobody at the time, and Reese 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.239 was working in a bar, not earning very much money, 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.600 and he was also working as a personal trainer. So 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:42.040 when Tammy found out she was pregnant, they basically were 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.560 living in a crappy little apartment. And this is at 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:46.480 the time when she was sort of starting off her 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.880 Instagram career, and by the time she had given birth 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.800 to Wolf, she had taken off on Instagram and the 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.000 money was coming in. Now, before we get further, what 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:57.640 is it with instagram as and YouTubers having the most 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:00.600 obscure name for their kids, like Wolf and the other 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:04.120 one the daughter Saski, isn't it? Yeah, Saski is the 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:08.119 name of Tammy Hembro's brand of athletic clothing as well. 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:10.600 It's really a marketing spin giving them unique names. Look 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:12.719 at Sarah's day. As soon as Fox was born, she 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.520 had Fox pajamas, which I do own. The thing is, 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:17.400 I think it's just a young person thing. People are 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.000 wanting more unique names, and they're actually pretty cute names. 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.760 I think I should have just called Archie dog or something. 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:24.679 No, it would have to be like cat. 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:28.080 Well, they did shock the Instagram world when they announced 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.080 their breakup in June twenty eighteen, and as you said, 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.200 we actually don't follow them, but I remember this being 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.880 big news back then. Yeah. Well, there were rumors that 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.960 Tammy had cheated on Reese with Rapper Tiger, which I 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.760 think is just basically bullshit because she came out and 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.120 she did a sort of tell all on YouTube and 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:46.640 she claimed that none of them had cheated and it 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.159 was just a fact that they'd grown apart. All things 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:50.960 really did start to get a little bit nasty on 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.480 social media. But it was actually Reese who came under 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:57.440 fire because he started a relationship very soon with another 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.480 insta famous girl called London, and it got a little 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.320 bit weird because fans noticed that London was leaving a 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:07.040 lot of strange messages under Tammy Hembro's photos. Well, I 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.160 don't know so much if they were strange messages, but 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.919 basically London, I think she was around twenty at the 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:14.360 time when she started hooking up with Reese, and she's 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.599 from America and she was a follower of Tammy Hembro, 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:19.280 like a lot of people. Well that's why I think 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:22.640 it's strange. Yeah, But fans basically spotted her commenting on 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:26.240 Tammy Hembro's posts, and she'd like photos of Tammy. She'd 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:28.760 also had light topless photos of Reese, and she actually 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.359 commented under one of Tammy's photo, which was a photo 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:33.960 of her, Reese and her two kids, and wrote something 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.320 along the lines of I love your family. I'm so 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:39.760 obsessed with your little family and it is so weird 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:43.880 and so embarrassing that those comments have been found. Have 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:47.080 Reese and London spoken publicly about how they met, because 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:49.120 I assume she must have slid into a DM as 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:51.280 soon as she heard of the breakup. Well, it appeared 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:53.680 that he went to America not long after the breakup, 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.039 and that's apparently where they met. But he has claimed 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:59.520 in a video that they were not talking beforehand when 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.080 he was with Tammy, that he didn't know her at all, 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:03.839 but they actually met while. 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:04.599 He was out in the US. 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:07.160 Well, what really seemed to upset fans was that there 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.760 was only four months between the breakup with Tammy and 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.520 then his new relationship with London. Yeah, and that's what's 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:14.800 put a lot of people offside. So it seems that 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.320 London has really annoyed some of the fans. 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.520 So we should probably move on to the video. 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:23.000 So Reese uploaded a YouTube on Wednesday, and he addressed 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.920 a lot of issues. He basically used the YouTube to 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:29.200 apologize for his behavior during the breakup, and he also 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.800 addressed some of the behavior of London. Now, a lot 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.600 of fans were actually angried that London didn't appear in 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:36.840 the video. Yeah, I found that strange. Rees said that 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.800 she was downstairs watching a movie with the kids. But 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:41.640 it was quite funny because you could hear the kids 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.600 going crazy in the background. And London has been criticized 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:46.760 in the past for not actually wanting to look after 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.080 the kids. Well, I think we've all got to remember 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.000 the fact that she's a twenty two year old girl. 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.440 She may look a lot older on Instagram. People got 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:55.920 mad because she said in one video that she couldn't 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:58.440 imagine having kids. We can all reflect on us at 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:00.480 twenty two. I wouldn't want kids twenty two. 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:01.520 You know me either. 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.160 I can completely understand where she's coming from, but I 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.640 don't know if you should put that out publicly if 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.600 your partner has two kids talking about being shocked about 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.280 all their ages. I can't believe Reese Hawkins is only 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:15.000 twenty six. Well, I suppose he's been on social media 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.000 for so many years now that you just assume these 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.760 people are and having kids make them seem older. 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.120 But when he was nineteen, he looked about thirty. How 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:24.040 old is Tammy? Is she the same age? She's a 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:24.600 similar eight. 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.000 Well, we should probably go into what dirty laundry. He 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:30.160 did actually apologize, Well, he didn't actually address any of 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:34.160 it particularly, but the dirty laundry he was referencing. One 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.839 was most interestingly about the car that Tammy had repossessed. 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.160 So Reese had a land Rover that was a part 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.200 of Tammy's company and he was still driving around in it, 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:45.920 and there was a lot of drama about the fact 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.040 that Tammy took it back. Now he slammed Tammy on 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.760 Instagram for doing so, but then Tammy came out and said, well, 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:54.800 if you're not going to pay your registration or your 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:56.880 speeding fines, I'm not paying for it, so I'm going 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:58.760 to take it back. Well, the issue with the car 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.240 as well is Reese came out on his Insta story 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.480 and said that he was meant to have the car 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:07.080 signed over to him in their mediation as a result 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.480 of him agreeing to move to America. And he said 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:11.960 initially he wasn't happy that Tammy wanted to take his 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:15.280 kids to America, but they offered him the car and 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.520 he agreed to, which I thought was really odd to 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:20.040 air because it's like, oh, Okay, I'm happy to move 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:21.040 my kids to America. 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:23.480 Now I'm just great a car. Well, also the fact. 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:25.520 That he's hooked up with an American girl who clearly 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.320 would want to go back to America and potentially live there. 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:29.439 That's strange. 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.160 But he seemed to also make a lot of snipes 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:33.880 at Tammy just because, you know, insinuating she was going 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:36.360 to America to follow a bunch of rappers. 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:37.040 Yeah. 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:39.680 Well, the thing is in his video, Reese did address 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:41.600 this soul and was saying, you know, he was very 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:43.720 immature to say these comments, that he was in a 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:47.760 bad headspace, and he actually apologized, which is quite big 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:48.160 of him. 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:49.000 Yeah. 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:51.400 So the whole video, as we said, it skirted around 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:53.880 what the dirty laundry he was addressing, but he did 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.959 take full blame for it. It was interesting that London 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:59.120 wasn't in the video. I saw a few comments on 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:01.280 the YouTube saying they think that it would have been 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:04.440 good for her to be involved because she has been 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:07.079 part of the problem. So Reese has been replying to 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:10.360 comments about Tammy and London has been then backing him 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:14.120 up and liking rude comments about Tammy and just sort 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:15.720 of being accused of a bit of trolling. 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:16.680 Well, don't you guys think. 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:19.040 It's funny because if you look at the psychology of it, 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.080 fans are really angry at London, and I think it's 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:25.359 because people have become so obsessed with couples on Instagram. 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:27.840 I mean I follow a lot of couple couples like 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.600 Sarah's Day and Kerr And can you imagine if they 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.520 broke up, how devastated you'd be. You almost feel as 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:35.720 if you've been cheated on. Well, I think they feel 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:37.760 that they owe them something and they owe them an 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:41.120 explanation as well. Well, that's exactly what the YouTube felt like. 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.720 It felt like Reese was actually having a break up 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.920 conversation with all of Tammy's fans and trying to be 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.079 the good guy, trying to say, look, I understand how 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.000 you guys would have been feeling, but I was in 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.280 a bad headspace because I'm a young guy and have 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:54.760 just broken up with, you know. 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:55.560 The love of my life. 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:57.600 It is weird that he has to come out and 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:01.000 explain himself. I also feel like because the Instagram world 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.400 on YouTube, it's so fake and you only see the 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:05.719 best of couples, you know, you see their highlights real 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.640 so lots of fans are shocked when they come to 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:12.400 the realization that these people don't have a perfect relationship. Well, Kate, 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.959 you address the fact that he actually had to almost 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.960 have a break up chat with Tammy's followers. The thing is, 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:20.480 though he has acknowledged in the past that the only 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.439 reason the pair of them have been successful is because 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:27.040 they do share everything about their relationship online. So I 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:29.600 feel like it's almost this closure for people who do 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.160 follow them that he has addressed that he has done wrong. 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:34.679 And it's kind of funny because he almost did have 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:36.959 to share it so publicly on YouTube just. 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:37.960 To be a bit cynical. 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:41.000 It is quite self serving because he has just launched 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.320 a podcast with Mitchell Orville that went number one in 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.560 the country as soon as it was launched, and of 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:49.600 course Mitchell Orville has gained great praise for also releasing 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.920 a similar video sort of apologizing for his past bad 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.600 behavior with drinking and drug taking. So it was quite 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:57.640 interesting that he followed the same suit and did an 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.480 apology video. It is interesting timing when you do have 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.640 a national podcast to promote well. 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:03.679 I don't know if it's just that I. 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:06.640 Actually think Mitchell has been quite a good influence on Reese, 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:08.600 and I feel like he has seen the praise that 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.160 Mitchell has got for owning up, you know, to his 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.680 drug issues and the way he might have treated Chloe 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.800 in the past, and he's seen the success Mitchell has had, 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.480 So I don't know if it's necessarily just him being 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.480 self serving, but maybe he has seen, as I said, 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:24.400 the success that he's got and wants to copy it. 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.040 It's kind of hard to preach about how to live 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.640 your life when you have that hanging over you that 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.160 there's a lot of negativity, and I feel like Reese 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.720 would be gaining a lot of fans that Mitchell has, 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:36.439 and a lot of them are looking, as I said, 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.920 to better themselves and to learn from their mistakes. So 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.920 it is interesting that Reese is kind of saying goodbye 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.800 to his past life as an influencer and YouTuber and 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:48.280 then forging this new identity. Well, the other interesting part 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:50.920 of this whole story is that Reese's podcast is on 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.840 the same podcast network as Tammy Hembro's. 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:54.520 Yeah. 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.080 I found that fascinating because of course that is the 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:01.120 Spin Studio network, and I was thinking, well, is that 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:02.840 going to be awkward when they see each other. But 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.559 Reese did address that in the YouTube video and said, hey, guys, 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:07.560 we actually see each other every week when we drop 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:09.480 the kids off to each other. Well, for those who 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:11.839 don't know, the Spin Studio network is run by Sam 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.600 Magnan and Courtney Magnet and they are PR wizzards, so 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.640 I'm sure that there's been a lot of meetings behind 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.280 closed doors to address the way that they can make 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:22.200 sure these two look like they are working together and 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.600 happy to be spending more time together. Well, from a 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.680 PR perspective, I think it's a very clever move, and 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:31.920 it's also gaining more attention to mitchual and Reese's new podcast. 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:32.559 It's great. 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.520 It is a great rebranding exercise because I think there's 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.559 a lot of YouTubers who are wanting to move away 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:40.360 from it because they do see it as being in 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:43.480 negative space. And I think podcasting is becoming such a 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.800 huge platform, then influencers want to jump on board and 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.680 maybe have something more interesting and more important to say. 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:51.200 Well, they've got a ready made audience. 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.760 But Reese did address also in his YouTube video that 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.120 he wanted to step away from YouTube because he said 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.320 he felt uncomfortable in front of the camera and he 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.880 felt like it was negatively impacting his life. So maybe 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.080 now he does have the option of sort of sharing 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:08.679 parts of his life on his podcast. Maybe that's been 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:09.880 part of the decision. 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:10.000 To step Awa. 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:12.839 Well, maybe it's because a more mature listener base listens 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.120 to podcasts now. Maybe he feels like he's not going 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:18.040 to get those same young people that are perhaps throwing 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.920 him hate or trolling him. Yeah, the avenue control is 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.080 a lot harder on a podcast. Obviously, you can write 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:26.360 negative reviews, but it's not so as intense. One thing 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:28.480 I thought of when we were talking about Reese is 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:29.640 it kind of reminds me of the. 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.359 Scott Disick factor. How Scott Disick. 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:36.000 Is that loved member of the Kardashian family despite him 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.800 and Courtney not being together, and the Hembros kind of 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.120 remind me of the Australian Kardashians. Do you think it's 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:43.680 like that he still wants to be connected to the 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:47.000 family and sort of right on their coattails a little 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.280 bit when you've got kids with somebody, I mean, that's 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.560 a difference with Scott Disick. He is always going to 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.880 be part of the Kardashian family because of the connection 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:56.000 with the children, and it's the same with the Hembros. 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.920 So I mean, from a pr perspective, it's better for 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.680 them to be friendly, and the fact that Tammy she 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.680 announced in a recent YouTube that she's dating somebody. Now 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.760 they've both got partners. It's probably just best for everybody 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.680 that they do genuinely get along, and also from a 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.520 pr perspective, that they're seen to be getting along rather 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.480 than having these petty feuds. Yeah, and what is so 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.360 interesting to look at is the fact that Reese has 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.600 dropped one hundred thousand followers since the breakup from Tammy, 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:24.560 And if you take a look at social Blade, that 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:27.760 means he's averaging a loss of twelve thousand followers a month, 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:31.120 which is pretty huge. Well, London's also dropping in her 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:34.800 follow account. She is averaging a loss of seven thousand 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.360 followers a day. She did spike on the day that 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:39.120 Reese actually released the YouTube. 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:39.960 I think she picked up. 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:43.200 About one thousand, five hundred followers. I'm assuming people who 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:45.720 are a little bit interested in finding out work about her. 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:46.080 Now. 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.240 He seems to also be not only directing people to 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.240 the podcast, but his new photography page, which just involves 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:55.000 nude not nude sorry, racy photos of her really. Yeah, Well, 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.320 what re said in his podcast is he is looking 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.480 at doing things that he actually gets fulfilled. So he 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:03.320 was basically saying that with his YouTube, he's not enjoying it. 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.240 He doesn't like the creativity behind it. So he has 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.800 launched a new photography page. But as you said, a 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.760 lot of the is it just nude photos but they're 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:15.760 taking quite well sliding Yeah, is it just me? I'm 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:17.640 going to be cynical again, But I feel like a 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:21.080 lot of people are jumping off YouTube because it's actually hard. 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.640 They have to film with themselves, Normally they have to 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.360 edit it themselves. It seems a lot easier for him 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.760 and Mitchell to go and do a podcast and then 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:30.840 the team will edit it up and they just have 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:32.800 to be there. But do you guys think there's going 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.160 to be issues with their podcast? Because if he's no 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:39.000 longer on YouTube, and if he's stepping away somewhat from Instagram, 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:41.360 are people actually going to be interested in his life? 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:41.880 I think so. 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:45.400 I think keeping Instagram will keep his audience still interacting 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:47.520 with him, and he can promote the podcast on there. 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.120 To be honest, his YouTube's weren't that good anyway. I 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:53.000 kind of disagree, though, I think that YouTube is a 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.440 really important tool. If you're known from being on YouTube, 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:57.680 You've got to keep that engagement up with your followers, 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:00.400 because I find lots of people that I follow when 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.960 they don't post anymore, I lose that interest in looking 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:05.520 at their Instagram stories as well because I don't feel 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:07.720 connected anymore. Yeah, but I feel like he's one of 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:10.280