1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: This episode of Outspoken is brought to you by Sitting 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Pretty Halo Hair. This is Outspoken, the podcast is not 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: afraid to say exactly what you're thinking. 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 2: Our names are Amy Kate and Sophie Torborth. 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: We're identical triplets, but we often don't have identical opinions, 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers all things 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women. 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: That is so fetched. 9 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: Thank you, Welcome back to Outspoken. Thank you for joining 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: us for another episode. Now, Sophie is apologizing in advance 11 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: because she is going to be a little slow today. 12 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm absolutely wrecked. 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: I've had no sleep in three days because We've got 14 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: our dog Archie on Friday, and he is the most 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: beautiful dog I think I've ever laid my eyes on. 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: I love how croaky your voice sounds. 17 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: Oh my god. I have been up like five times 18 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: every night. He wakes up at one, then two, then four, 19 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: then six, and then we cuddle until eight. Sophi's that 20 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: she feels like she has a newborn baby. I literally 21 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: do for anyone who's getting a puppy. Prepare yourselves because 22 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: it's a lot of work. 23 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: Well, the first night. He was pretty good, though, wasn't he? 24 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: Because I woke up expecting messages saying she was so 25 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: exhausted on Saturday morning, but. 26 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 2: You were like, oh my gosh, she was amazing. 27 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: That was the facade. I think he was exhausted the 28 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,919 Speaker 1: first day, and now he's got into the groove of things. 29 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: He thinks it's fun to wake momentbad up. But yeah, 30 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: he is just so beautiful and I think we've popped 31 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: up a few photos on our Instagram page. He is 32 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: just the most gorgeous thing I've ever seen, and I'm 33 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: going to put it out there so because I'm his 34 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: proud auntie. If you do want to follow him, he 35 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: is on TikTok and Instagram, so we'll put all of 36 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: those details below because he's my little project at the moment. 37 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: I kind of want him to take off on TikTok 38 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: because he's so gorgeous. And we also add this is 39 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: another proud mum moment that he's sitting in a little 40 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: basket next to us asleep, just being adorable, and so 41 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: is gig our cat, So they're getting along famously at 42 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: the moment. Yeah. Well, other than the excitement of getting 43 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: Archie this weekend, Amy and I also had some fun. 44 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: I think Amy was more excited about this revelation than 45 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: getting Archie. 46 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 47 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: Well, on Saturday, I was driving home. I didn't have 48 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: too much to do. And as listeners of the podcast 49 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 1: will know, I absolutely love Gary Vee and I love 50 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: his world of flipping, so buying something for a cheaper 51 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: price and then flipping it for a more expensive price. 52 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: And I've been telling. 53 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: Kate that she should be getting into it because it 54 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: is a great way to make. 55 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 2: A little bit of extra money. 56 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: Well, I was reluctant to do so because Amy has 57 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 1: actually turned one of the bedrooms in her rental into 58 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: a flipping room, so it's literally full of like old 59 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: trash that she's turning into treasure. 60 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: So I know. 61 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: Reese was a bit worried when I said I was 62 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: going shopping with her because he. 63 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: Is very minimalistic. 64 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: But I went along and said, look, I'm just going 65 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: to support you and see what you do, because I 66 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: was pretty bored on the weekend. 67 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, but as soon as you walked in, you were 68 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: loving it. 69 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: Oh well, I've always loved soft toys, so I went 70 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: straight to the toys and they had all these beanie 71 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: kids in there and I was just reliving my childhood. 72 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: But when we got out of the store, I looked 73 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: up the most valuable beanie bears, no so beanie babies, 74 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: and it came up with one that we already own, 75 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: that Sophie has, and apparently it's worth twenty one thousand dollars. Yeah. 76 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: I think that's because I don't think it will be 77 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: that because I don't actually want I don't know where 78 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: it is. Look, there's the two. There needs to be 79 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: specific tags. There's lots of rules around the valuable ones. 80 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: They have to have a mistake on the tag. But 81 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: I love it because this afternoon Kate is so pumped 82 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: about the beanie Bears that she and I are going down. 83 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: We found someone on Facebook marketplace and we're going down 84 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: to buy them, and finally she understands the appeal of 85 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: the flip world. Let's get into the first topic, which 86 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: is all about influencer Reese Hawkins, who was shocked his 87 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 1: followers by announcing he's quitting YouTube. So, for those who 88 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: don't know, Reese is Tammy hembrose X and baby Daddy, 89 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: So they're basically the first Australian power couple. 90 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: Of Instagram, aren't they. 91 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, a lot of people actually nickname them the 92 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: King and Queen of Instagram, and they basically dated for 93 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: four years before shocking all their followers when they broke 94 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: up in twenty eighteen. Yeah. Well, they're very young couple 95 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: and that's what attracted a lot of attention in the 96 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: first place, because they both had their first child I 97 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: think it was at nineteen years old, and they sort 98 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: of became this perfect family and someone to look up 99 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: to as a young person. To be honest, I don't 100 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: really follow Tammy Hembro or Reese Hawkins, and I've done 101 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: a lot of research into them, and they actually were 102 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: not insta famous at all when they first met, so 103 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: Tammy didn't have a massive following. She was basically once 104 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: they a massive ass. No, she was, for want of 105 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: a better word, and nobody at the time, and Reese 106 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,239 Speaker 1: was working in a bar, not earning very much money, 107 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: and he was also working as a personal trainer. So 108 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: when Tammy found out she was pregnant, they basically were 109 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: living in a crappy little apartment. And this is at 110 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: the time when she was sort of starting off her 111 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: Instagram career, and by the time she had given birth 112 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: to Wolf, she had taken off on Instagram and the 113 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: money was coming in. Now, before we get further, what 114 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: is it with instagram as and YouTubers having the most 115 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: obscure name for their kids, like Wolf and the other 116 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: one the daughter Saski, isn't it? Yeah, Saski is the 117 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,119 Speaker 1: name of Tammy Hembro's brand of athletic clothing as well. 118 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: It's really a marketing spin giving them unique names. Look 119 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: at Sarah's day. As soon as Fox was born, she 120 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: had Fox pajamas, which I do own. The thing is, 121 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: I think it's just a young person thing. People are 122 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: wanting more unique names, and they're actually pretty cute names. 123 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: I think I should have just called Archie dog or something. 124 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:24,679 Speaker 2: No, it would have to be like cat. 125 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: Well, they did shock the Instagram world when they announced 126 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: their breakup in June twenty eighteen, and as you said, 127 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: we actually don't follow them, but I remember this being 128 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: big news back then. Yeah. Well, there were rumors that 129 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: Tammy had cheated on Reese with Rapper Tiger, which I 130 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: think is just basically bullshit because she came out and 131 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: she did a sort of tell all on YouTube and 132 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: she claimed that none of them had cheated and it 133 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: was just a fact that they'd grown apart. All things 134 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: really did start to get a little bit nasty on 135 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: social media. But it was actually Reese who came under 136 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: fire because he started a relationship very soon with another 137 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: insta famous girl called London, and it got a little 138 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: bit weird because fans noticed that London was leaving a 139 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: lot of strange messages under Tammy Hembro's photos. Well, I 140 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: don't know so much if they were strange messages, but 141 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 1: basically London, I think she was around twenty at the 142 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: time when she started hooking up with Reese, and she's 143 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: from America and she was a follower of Tammy Hembro, 144 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: like a lot of people. Well that's why I think 145 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: it's strange. Yeah, But fans basically spotted her commenting on 146 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro's posts, and she'd like photos of Tammy. She'd 147 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: also had light topless photos of Reese, and she actually 148 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 1: commented under one of Tammy's photo, which was a photo 149 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: of her, Reese and her two kids, and wrote something 150 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: along the lines of I love your family. I'm so 151 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: obsessed with your little family and it is so weird 152 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: and so embarrassing that those comments have been found. Have 153 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: Reese and London spoken publicly about how they met, because 154 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: I assume she must have slid into a DM as 155 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: soon as she heard of the breakup. Well, it appeared 156 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: that he went to America not long after the breakup, 157 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: and that's apparently where they met. But he has claimed 158 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: in a video that they were not talking beforehand when 159 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: he was with Tammy, that he didn't know her at all, 160 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: but they actually met while. 161 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 2: He was out in the US. 162 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: Well, what really seemed to upset fans was that there 163 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: was only four months between the breakup with Tammy and 164 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: then his new relationship with London. Yeah, and that's what's 165 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: put a lot of people offside. So it seems that 166 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: London has really annoyed some of the fans. 167 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: So we should probably move on to the video. 168 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: So Reese uploaded a YouTube on Wednesday, and he addressed 169 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: a lot of issues. He basically used the YouTube to 170 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: apologize for his behavior during the breakup, and he also 171 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: addressed some of the behavior of London. Now, a lot 172 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: of fans were actually angried that London didn't appear in 173 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: the video. Yeah, I found that strange. Rees said that 174 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: she was downstairs watching a movie with the kids. But 175 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: it was quite funny because you could hear the kids 176 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: going crazy in the background. And London has been criticized 177 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: in the past for not actually wanting to look after 178 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: the kids. Well, I think we've all got to remember 179 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: the fact that she's a twenty two year old girl. 180 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: She may look a lot older on Instagram. People got 181 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: mad because she said in one video that she couldn't 182 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: imagine having kids. We can all reflect on us at 183 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: twenty two. I wouldn't want kids twenty two. 184 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: You know me either. 185 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: I can completely understand where she's coming from, but I 186 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: don't know if you should put that out publicly if 187 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: your partner has two kids talking about being shocked about 188 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: all their ages. I can't believe Reese Hawkins is only 189 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: twenty six. Well, I suppose he's been on social media 190 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: for so many years now that you just assume these 191 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: people are and having kids make them seem older. 192 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: But when he was nineteen, he looked about thirty. How 193 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: old is Tammy? Is she the same age? She's a 194 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 2: similar eight. 195 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: Well, we should probably go into what dirty laundry. He 196 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: did actually apologize, Well, he didn't actually address any of 197 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: it particularly, but the dirty laundry he was referencing. One 198 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 1: was most interestingly about the car that Tammy had repossessed. 199 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: So Reese had a land Rover that was a part 200 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: of Tammy's company and he was still driving around in it, 201 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: and there was a lot of drama about the fact 202 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: that Tammy took it back. Now he slammed Tammy on 203 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: Instagram for doing so, but then Tammy came out and said, well, 204 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: if you're not going to pay your registration or your 205 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: speeding fines, I'm not paying for it, so I'm going 206 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: to take it back. Well, the issue with the car 207 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: as well is Reese came out on his Insta story 208 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: and said that he was meant to have the car 209 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: signed over to him in their mediation as a result 210 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: of him agreeing to move to America. And he said 211 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: initially he wasn't happy that Tammy wanted to take his 212 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: kids to America, but they offered him the car and 213 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: he agreed to, which I thought was really odd to 214 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: air because it's like, oh, Okay, I'm happy to move 215 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: my kids to America. 216 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 2: Now I'm just great a car. Well, also the fact. 217 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: That he's hooked up with an American girl who clearly 218 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: would want to go back to America and potentially live there. 219 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 2: That's strange. 220 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: But he seemed to also make a lot of snipes 221 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: at Tammy just because, you know, insinuating she was going 222 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: to America to follow a bunch of rappers. 223 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 224 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: Well, the thing is in his video, Reese did address 225 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: this soul and was saying, you know, he was very 226 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: immature to say these comments, that he was in a 227 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: bad headspace, and he actually apologized, which is quite big 228 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: of him. 229 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 230 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: So the whole video, as we said, it skirted around 231 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: what the dirty laundry he was addressing, but he did 232 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: take full blame for it. It was interesting that London 233 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: wasn't in the video. I saw a few comments on 234 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: the YouTube saying they think that it would have been 235 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: good for her to be involved because she has been 236 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 1: part of the problem. So Reese has been replying to 237 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: comments about Tammy and London has been then backing him 238 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: up and liking rude comments about Tammy and just sort 239 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: of being accused of a bit of trolling. 240 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 2: Well, don't you guys think. 241 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: It's funny because if you look at the psychology of it, 242 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: fans are really angry at London, and I think it's 243 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,359 Speaker 1: because people have become so obsessed with couples on Instagram. 244 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: I mean I follow a lot of couple couples like 245 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: Sarah's Day and Kerr And can you imagine if they 246 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: broke up, how devastated you'd be. You almost feel as 247 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: if you've been cheated on. Well, I think they feel 248 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: that they owe them something and they owe them an 249 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: explanation as well. Well, that's exactly what the YouTube felt like. 250 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: It felt like Reese was actually having a break up 251 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: conversation with all of Tammy's fans and trying to be 252 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: the good guy, trying to say, look, I understand how 253 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: you guys would have been feeling, but I was in 254 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: a bad headspace because I'm a young guy and have 255 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: just broken up with, you know. 256 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 2: The love of my life. 257 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: It is weird that he has to come out and 258 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: explain himself. I also feel like because the Instagram world 259 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: on YouTube, it's so fake and you only see the 260 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: best of couples, you know, you see their highlights real 261 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: so lots of fans are shocked when they come to 262 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: the realization that these people don't have a perfect relationship. Well, Kate, 263 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: you address the fact that he actually had to almost 264 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: have a break up chat with Tammy's followers. The thing is, 265 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: though he has acknowledged in the past that the only 266 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: reason the pair of them have been successful is because 267 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: they do share everything about their relationship online. So I 268 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: feel like it's almost this closure for people who do 269 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: follow them that he has addressed that he has done wrong. 270 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: And it's kind of funny because he almost did have 271 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: to share it so publicly on YouTube just. 272 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 2: To be a bit cynical. 273 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: It is quite self serving because he has just launched 274 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: a podcast with Mitchell Orville that went number one in 275 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: the country as soon as it was launched, and of 276 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: course Mitchell Orville has gained great praise for also releasing 277 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: a similar video sort of apologizing for his past bad 278 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: behavior with drinking and drug taking. So it was quite 279 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: interesting that he followed the same suit and did an 280 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: apology video. It is interesting timing when you do have 281 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: a national podcast to promote well. 282 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's just that I. 283 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: Actually think Mitchell has been quite a good influence on Reese, 284 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: and I feel like he has seen the praise that 285 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: Mitchell has got for owning up, you know, to his 286 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: drug issues and the way he might have treated Chloe 287 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: in the past, and he's seen the success Mitchell has had, 288 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: So I don't know if it's necessarily just him being 289 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: self serving, but maybe he has seen, as I said, 290 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: the success that he's got and wants to copy it. 291 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to preach about how to live 292 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: your life when you have that hanging over you that 293 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: there's a lot of negativity, and I feel like Reese 294 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: would be gaining a lot of fans that Mitchell has, 295 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: and a lot of them are looking, as I said, 296 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: to better themselves and to learn from their mistakes. So 297 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: it is interesting that Reese is kind of saying goodbye 298 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: to his past life as an influencer and YouTuber and 299 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: then forging this new identity. Well, the other interesting part 300 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: of this whole story is that Reese's podcast is on 301 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: the same podcast network as Tammy Hembro's. 302 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 303 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: I found that fascinating because of course that is the 304 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: Spin Studio network, and I was thinking, well, is that 305 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: going to be awkward when they see each other. But 306 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: Reese did address that in the YouTube video and said, hey, guys, 307 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: we actually see each other every week when we drop 308 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: the kids off to each other. Well, for those who 309 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 1: don't know, the Spin Studio network is run by Sam 310 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: Magnan and Courtney Magnet and they are PR wizzards, so 311 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure that there's been a lot of meetings behind 312 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: closed doors to address the way that they can make 313 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: sure these two look like they are working together and 314 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: happy to be spending more time together. Well, from a 315 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: PR perspective, I think it's a very clever move, and 316 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: it's also gaining more attention to mitchual and Reese's new podcast. 317 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 2: It's great. 318 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: It is a great rebranding exercise because I think there's 319 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: a lot of YouTubers who are wanting to move away 320 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: from it because they do see it as being in 321 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: negative space. And I think podcasting is becoming such a 322 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: huge platform, then influencers want to jump on board and 323 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: maybe have something more interesting and more important to say. 324 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 2: Well, they've got a ready made audience. 325 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: But Reese did address also in his YouTube video that 326 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: he wanted to step away from YouTube because he said 327 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: he felt uncomfortable in front of the camera and he 328 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: felt like it was negatively impacting his life. So maybe 329 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: now he does have the option of sort of sharing 330 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: parts of his life on his podcast. Maybe that's been 331 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: part of the decision. 332 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 2: To step Awa. 333 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 1: Well, maybe it's because a more mature listener base listens 334 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: to podcasts now. Maybe he feels like he's not going 335 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: to get those same young people that are perhaps throwing 336 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: him hate or trolling him. Yeah, the avenue control is 337 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: a lot harder on a podcast. Obviously, you can write 338 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: negative reviews, but it's not so as intense. One thing 339 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: I thought of when we were talking about Reese is 340 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: it kind of reminds me of the. 341 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,359 Speaker 2: Scott Disick factor. How Scott Disick. 342 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: Is that loved member of the Kardashian family despite him 343 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: and Courtney not being together, and the Hembros kind of 344 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: remind me of the Australian Kardashians. Do you think it's 345 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: like that he still wants to be connected to the 346 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: family and sort of right on their coattails a little 347 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: bit when you've got kids with somebody, I mean, that's 348 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: a difference with Scott Disick. He is always going to 349 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: be part of the Kardashian family because of the connection 350 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: with the children, and it's the same with the Hembros. 351 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: So I mean, from a pr perspective, it's better for 352 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: them to be friendly, and the fact that Tammy she 353 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: announced in a recent YouTube that she's dating somebody. Now 354 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: they've both got partners. It's probably just best for everybody 355 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: that they do genuinely get along, and also from a 356 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: pr perspective, that they're seen to be getting along rather 357 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: than having these petty feuds. Yeah, and what is so 358 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: interesting to look at is the fact that Reese has 359 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: dropped one hundred thousand followers since the breakup from Tammy, 360 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: And if you take a look at social Blade, that 361 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: means he's averaging a loss of twelve thousand followers a month, 362 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: which is pretty huge. Well, London's also dropping in her 363 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: follow account. She is averaging a loss of seven thousand 364 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: followers a day. She did spike on the day that 365 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: Reese actually released the YouTube. 366 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 2: I think she picked up. 367 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: About one thousand, five hundred followers. I'm assuming people who 368 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: are a little bit interested in finding out work about her. 369 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: Now. 370 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: He seems to also be not only directing people to 371 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: the podcast, but his new photography page, which just involves 372 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: nude not nude sorry, racy photos of her really. Yeah, Well, 373 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: what re said in his podcast is he is looking 374 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: at doing things that he actually gets fulfilled. So he 375 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: was basically saying that with his YouTube, he's not enjoying it. 376 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: He doesn't like the creativity behind it. So he has 377 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: launched a new photography page. But as you said, a 378 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: lot of the is it just nude photos but they're 379 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: taking quite well sliding Yeah, is it just me? I'm 380 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: going to be cynical again, But I feel like a 381 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: lot of people are jumping off YouTube because it's actually hard. 382 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: They have to film with themselves, Normally they have to 383 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: edit it themselves. It seems a lot easier for him 384 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: and Mitchell to go and do a podcast and then 385 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: the team will edit it up and they just have 386 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: to be there. But do you guys think there's going 387 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: to be issues with their podcast? Because if he's no 388 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: longer on YouTube, and if he's stepping away somewhat from Instagram, 389 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: are people actually going to be interested in his life? 390 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: I think so. 391 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: I think keeping Instagram will keep his audience still interacting 392 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: with him, and he can promote the podcast on there. 393 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: To be honest, his YouTube's weren't that good anyway. I 394 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: kind of disagree, though, I think that YouTube is a 395 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: really important tool. If you're known from being on YouTube, 396 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: You've got to keep that engagement up with your followers, 397 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: because I find lots of people that I follow when 398 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: they don't post anymore, I lose that interest in looking 399 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: at their Instagram stories as well because I don't feel 400 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: connected anymore. Yeah, but I feel like he's one of 401 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: those background characters in a YouTube. He can't be the 402 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: main person. He was sort of like with Shannie and Jonathan. 403 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: He was cool in the background to make a few comments. 404 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: But now that he's got his own YouTube channel, it's 405 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: very cringe. I'm gonna be honest. I used to actually 406 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: watch some of Reese's videos and I've found quite entertaining 407 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: because he does well. He does have the aspect of 408 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: that he is dating London and I do like watching 409 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: couples on YouTube. It's quite interesting because London doesn't have 410 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: a YouTube channel, which I was surprised. 411 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 412 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: Yet, maybe they'll start a couples one up in a 413 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: few months or something the podcast drops. Look, I definitely 414 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: think we'll see Reese Hawkin's return to YouTube. I think 415 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: it's just he wants to establish this new identity and 416 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: he's attracting different type of followers now, so it will 417 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: be really interesting when he decides to go back onto YouTube, 418 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: because he did say he might be dropping a few 419 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: exercise videos here and there. You know, I think it's 420 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: definitely a very clever move. He has clearly evolved from 421 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: this nineteen year old young dad, and he's clearly wanting 422 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: to make more for himself, and I think we should 423 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: applaud him for doing that and being brave enough to 424 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: remove all of the videos and apologize. 425 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, good on him. 426 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: I'm sort of looking forward to seeing what actually happens, 427 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: and I do quite enjoy his podcast, I have to admit. Well, 428 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: in regards to his YouTube channel, I don't think we 429 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: mentioned it earlier, but he's actually removed every single video 430 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: by the apology, so it will definitely be a fresh 431 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: start for him if he does return. And that video 432 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: is currently trending on YouTube, which is pretty crazy for 433 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: someone's final video. Well, he didn't actually have any ads 434 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: on it either, because when I clicked on it, I 435 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: was like, oh, is this going to have like six 436 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: ads on it? But it was a twenty minute video 437 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: with no ads, which was impressive. Well, I don't know 438 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: if he needs adds revenue, because apparently, according to Google, 439 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: he's worth about five million dollars, and Tammy Hembro is 440 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: worth an estimated sixty million dollars. 441 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 2: What for, I'm just actually last thing. 442 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: She's got an exercise program that she does, she's got 443 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: HERSASKI collection. Each post she puts up is worth forty 444 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. Oh god, that's crazy. You don't actually 445 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: think that they're earning that much money. 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Now getting into 486 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: the social media pit and peak of the week, Kate, what. 487 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 2: Was the peak? 488 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: The peak for me had to be when Anna and 489 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: Tim from The Bachelor shared that they were having a 490 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: baby girl. 491 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 2: It was so cute. 492 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: They had this really lavish part and they had these 493 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: beautiful floral designs that kind of went into a bit 494 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: of an arch and one side was blue and one 495 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: side was pink, and they released a slow mo video 496 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: of the pink confetti being burst open, and Anna's reaction 497 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: was so beautiful. She just burst into tears. She looked 498 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: so happy. Well, I think this baby is going to 499 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: be so gorgeous because if you look at the mum 500 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: and dad, it's going to be a pretty special baby. 501 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 2: Well, Kate, what about the Pit of the week. 502 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: Well, the pit this week was from Sky Wheatley, and 503 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: she just seems to be continuing to be extremely tone deaf. 504 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 2: Now. 505 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 1: I do enjoy her content, but I get surprised when 506 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: she puts things out like this and she gets negative feedback, 507 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: but she doesn't take her post down. So she released 508 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: a picture of herself doing the Vogue challenge and she 509 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: had all these topless photos of herself hosing put Vogue 510 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: Magazine over the top of it. 511 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 2: What is the Vogue Challenge? 512 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: Well, that's where it gets awkward, because the Vogue Challenge 513 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: was created as a tribute to the Black Lives movement, 514 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: and it started so that you could see some more 515 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: diverse people on magazine covers. And it was sort of 516 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: in response to Vogue coming out and saying in there 517 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty seven year history, they've only ever 518 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: had one black photographer and only twenty one black women 519 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: on the front cover. 520 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 2: So Wogue actually admitted that today. 521 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Anna Wintor came out and wrote a letter 522 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: to her staff apologizing, saying that they needed to get 523 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: more black editors and writers and photographers and more creatives 524 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: in the industry. And that sort of snowballed. So we've 525 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: been seeing an amazing array of photos of black women 526 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: on Vogue and it's the hashtag has been used one 527 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty thousand times. I mean, what the hell 528 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: is Skyweekly thinking? But she's just not educated on this 529 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: topic or something. But didn't James Charles get slammed for 530 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: doing the exact same thing as. 531 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, exactly right. 532 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: So James Charles got slammed and then Sky's there and 533 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: it seemed very self indulgent because she didn't just share 534 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,479 Speaker 1: one photo. It was so many different photos, and her 535 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: followers actually politely told her, Hey, this is actually for 536 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matters movement. What you're doing is actually wrong. 537 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: You're using the hashtag incorrectly, and the post is still up. 538 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: It's the least exciting to look at. 539 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: Please give it a thumbs, give it a life, because 540 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 2: it really supports my channel. If you're insignificant. 541 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: Asscare Now let's get into the reality rap. And first 542 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: we're going to be discussing Big Brother. And I'm so 543 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: excited because it is finally getting good. I know, I 544 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: actually am up to date with all the episodes. I'm 545 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: quite proud about that because I've also been watching Master Chef, 546 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: so it's a bit of a feat to fit both 547 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: of them in. 548 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 2: And it is getting really good. 549 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: As you said, I think you've got to push past 550 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: and think of it as a totally new show because 551 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: it's not like the old Big Brother, but it still 552 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: has some of those good elements. And then there's new 553 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: good elements that I'm really enjoying with the whole talking 554 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: about nominations and all the challenges. All my favorite is Angela, 555 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: and at the moment they've got her acting as little 556 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: sister or as a big sister. No, it's little sister, 557 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: little sister, and I think that is an excellent element. 558 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: And I mean, the only thing that I don't like 559 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: is the fact that this whole voting process is getting 560 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: rid of the big characters on the show. So that's 561 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: obviously why they're trying to keep her as part of 562 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: the show. I was so happy when they announced this twist, 563 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: because if she had left, it would have been so crap. 564 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: But I am loving Angela being in control of the house. 565 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: And I loved when she pulled in Garth last night 566 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: and led him in on the secret. And I just 567 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: love because she's so manipulative. She's excellent for the show. 568 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: I'm kind of in two minds about the fact she 569 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: was trying to get rid of Ian. I understand they're 570 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: trying to break that alliance there, but I am so 571 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: over Kieran, Like can he just leave already? Yeah? I 572 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: understand that, but I think I was happy that Ian 573 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: went because I think he's done his time. I think 574 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: we've seen and laughed at him, and what I was really. 575 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 2: Surprised about him. We laughed with him, well, a bit 576 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 2: of both. 577 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: I was pretty surprised because they've been saying, you know, 578 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: he's this socially inepped person. But it came out that 579 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: he's had a girlfriend for four years and there's been 580 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: pictures of him out partying. Now I'm not saying I 581 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: think it was an act, but I'm saying, you know, 582 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: they were trying to make us all feel so sorry 583 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: for him. So he's still going out with the girlfriend. Yeah, 584 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 1: he's still dating the girl. 585 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,719 Speaker 2: Oh why have we heard anything about that? 586 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? Well that's where it gets interesting because he came 587 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: out and he was interviewed and said, look, he mentioned 588 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: the girlfriend. 589 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 2: It was just edited out. 590 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: And he also said that his favorite night of the 591 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: show was when he and the ball guy I can't 592 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: remember what his name is they dressed up in drag 593 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: and they put on a bit of a show, and 594 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: of course that wasn't shown. And it turns out that 595 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: a lot of the Big Brother contestants are getting annoyed 596 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: about how it's being edited. They're saying that all the 597 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: like feel good bonding moments, they're having no one seeing 598 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: anything of it, and I think we need a few 599 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: of those moments though. I think that is what the 600 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: show is lacking. They could literally put out a whole 601 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 1: second series of Big Brother just based on the actual 602 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: fun stuff that they didn't show, because all they're showing 603 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: is stuff that's based on who they're going to vote 604 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: for and all that strategy strategy. Well, why not be 605 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:39,959 Speaker 1: a bit like Love Ireland and have that, you know, 606 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: that show that used to be on on the Sunday 607 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: night or something and it was sort of all the 608 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: fun moments. 609 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 2: I think that would work well. 610 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: Well. An insider has actually said that the Big Brother 611 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: contestants have a WhatsApp group where they vent about their 612 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,719 Speaker 1: bad edits, and it's come out that Garth has slammed 613 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: the show for not showing any of the fun parts, 614 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: as I've just said, but Dan has also apparently stopped 615 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 1: watching altogether. Well, I must admit I've actually stopped watching, 616 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: and I'm in two minds whether to actually watch a 617 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: whole show exact really good. That is interesting about Dan though, 618 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: because initially when they introduced him, I thought, oh, he's 619 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: going to be the fitsy of the show, the lovable 620 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: Arakin and they've shown a real strategic side to him. 621 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 2: Well that's because the whole show is now about strategy. 622 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: But how easy is it for producers to actually manipulate 623 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: how all these people are portrayed when all they're showing 624 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: is half an hour? No sorry, And when you take 625 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: out the ads, literally twenty minutes from a twenty four 626 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: hour day, it's not even twenty four hour days. Really 627 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: three days packed into one. 628 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 2: Well, that's true. 629 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: Can I just say this revelation about Ian has made 630 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: me think? Is it the girlfriend that forgot to feed 631 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: the spider? Is that why the spider's lied? Or gosh? 632 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 2: I hope not. 633 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: Well, moving on to my other favorite reality TV show 634 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: that Amy and Soaphy. You need to start watching his 635 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: Master Chef now it's hotting up because I think there's 636 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: like seven contestants left. 637 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 2: Still seven contestants. My good. 638 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 1: This show has been a marathon. I feel like it's 639 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 1: been going on for eff and I love it. It's 640 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: been getting me through isolation. And interestingly, the bookkeepers have 641 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: tipped Amelia Jackson to win who, which I'm quite shocked 642 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: about because she's always been an outsider. It's always been 643 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: about Poe and Reynold and even Callum. But Amelia's the 644 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: woman that cooks amazing cakes. So I'm really surprised because 645 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: apparently a production insider has leaked that information. And now 646 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: you know all the bookkeepers have her as well. 647 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 2: It might be worth putting a bit of money on them. 648 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: Well, not really, because the odds are pretty bad. I 649 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,239 Speaker 1: think we're just moving on to some Bachelor news and 650 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: we have to address some of the horrific trolling Abby 651 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: Chatfield has brought everyone's attention to. Now. This trolling was 652 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: when she was on the Bachelor, and she has saved 653 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: some of the screenshots and some of the voice messages, 654 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: and they're absolutely revolting. Oh my god, this was disgusting. 655 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: I could not believe it. There was one man that 656 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: sent her a voice note saying that he was going 657 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: to strangle. 658 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 2: Her to death. 659 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: I just had chills going down my spine listening to this, 660 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: so I can't imagine actually receiving it. 661 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 2: It was horrific. 662 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: There was another woman who said she'd kill herself if 663 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: she was related to Abby, and it's just so troubling 664 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: that people think is acceptable to send these sort of 665 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: messages to other people. I actually couldn't believe it because 666 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: Abby did keep up the people's photos and their names 667 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: and zooming in on them. 668 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 2: They look just like normal girls. 669 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: I just was like, who the fuck would send this 670 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: with their own name and photo attached. I just don't 671 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: get why they do it. I just I just doesn't 672 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: make any sense to me. And Abby actually touched on 673 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: the fact that she's got a hard drive full of 674 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: hundreds of comments like the ones she's shared, and she's 675 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: actually planning to do some good with them in the future. 676 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: So I look forward to seeing what projects she's got 677 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: planned well getting into awkward Turtle. And I've actually got 678 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: a pretty funny story that happened this week to Kate, 679 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: Sophie and I. So we were driving in our car 680 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: and we've often discussed how funny it is, well not funny, 681 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: but how annoying it is when people look at you 682 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: at the traffic. 683 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: Was not people, it's men. 684 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, so when you stop at the traffic light and 685 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: you accidentally glance to the person that's to the right 686 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: of you, and they look at you, and then they 687 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: won't stop staring, and it's off for trad ees. I 688 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: was gonna say, it's always all these men in like 689 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: a trading car, or like young guys with pea plates on. Anyway, 690 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: So we were driving in the car and we noticed 691 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: these trade's were staring in and we were a bit like, oh, 692 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 1: of course, we must have sounded so arrogant, but we 693 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: weren't trying to be. We were just saying that young 694 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: girls often get boys staring at them. It's like those 695 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: guys that drive past and twoed at you for no, 696 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: it's just because it's a girl walking gosh. Anyway, so 697 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: we were trying to get ahead of them because they 698 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: were still staring as we drove off a lot kind 699 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: of sort of gesturing, and we're like, God, this is 700 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: going a bit far. 701 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:30,959 Speaker 2: What's this about. 702 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: Well, it turns out that Sophie's fuel door was open. 703 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,479 Speaker 1: So that's a little door where you put your petrol in. 704 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: We would like the biggest wayan kiss because we were 705 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: trying not to pay attention to these people when they 706 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: were just honestly trying to help us out. Well, thank 707 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,479 Speaker 1: you so much for listening to Outspoken. 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