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Speaker 1: It's been a fresh bid from developers to build thousands

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Speaker 1: of homes on undeveloped land in Darwin's rural area after

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Speaker 1: a similar proposal which rejected in twenty twenty due to

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Speaker 1: opposition from locals. Now, the ABC's reporting that Melbourne based

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Speaker 1: developer into Pack Property has written to Planning Minister Josh

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Speaker 1: Burgoyne asking for an amendment to the Northern Territories Planning

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Speaker 1: Scheme to make way for the projects, set to be

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Speaker 1: named Lloyd Creek Rural Village. The proposal would see four

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Speaker 1: thousand homes built south of Humpty Dew in an area

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Speaker 1: zoned for rural living. Now. Former Member for Goider Kesier

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Speaker 1: Puric is among those who opposed the initial development. And look,

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Speaker 1: we love having Keyesier on the show, and she joins

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Speaker 1: me on the line right now. Good morning to Kezier.

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Speaker 1: Let me drive that again. I've dropped her out for

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Speaker 1: some reason. I've lost Keesier. I'm not too sure what's happened,

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Speaker 1: so I will take have I got her on there,

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Speaker 1: let me try it again. I'll just wait until let's

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Speaker 1: see which one is that her. Hopefully I've got her.

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Speaker 1: Let's try Kezier. Good morning.

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Speaker 2: Can you hear me, Yes, I can hear you. Can

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Speaker 2: you hear me?

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Speaker 1: I can hear you now, Kezier, good to have you

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Speaker 1: on the Thank.

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Speaker 2: You, Katie, now, Katie. It wasn't just it wasn't just

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Speaker 2: the residents of the surrounding area that opposed it. It

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Speaker 2: was knocked back by the government. Power and Water had issues,

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Speaker 2: the Controller of Water Resources or Resources had issues. So

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Speaker 2: it was a combination, but definitely a strong opposition from

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Speaker 2: the residence in the area of not only a Keshia

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Speaker 2: and Elizabeth Valley are but also in those back areas

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Speaker 2: of Humpty Dew. And I mean this was always going

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Speaker 2: to come back on the agenda. The company was never

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Speaker 2: going to go away. The owner of the land clearly

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Speaker 2: wants to have his business deals go forward, and that's fine,

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Speaker 2: his land do business. But this company hasn't changed. They

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Speaker 2: might have given it a new pretty name, Lloyd Creek,

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Speaker 2: but they still look company that has a trust deficit.

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Speaker 2: They do not have a social license to operate because

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Speaker 2: they have been abysmal in the past in regards to

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Speaker 2: undertaking proper, decent community consultation. And they're just telling FIBs.

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Speaker 2: They tell Blake lies last time and they're telling FIBs

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Speaker 2: again this time, so you know, and we see through it.

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Speaker 2: We see through it.

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Speaker 1: So talk me through exactly what the concerns are. Like

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Speaker 1: you've pointed out there, it's not just residents. But talk

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Speaker 1: me through the concerns from residents that you've heard and

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Speaker 1: continue to hear.

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Speaker 2: Katie. What it's about is we're talking about four thousand

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Speaker 2: blocks of urbanization. A big chunk of the rule are

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Speaker 2: which is zone it's not actually Zone RL. A lot

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Speaker 2: of its zoned R, which means twenty acre block. So

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Speaker 2: you've got people that have mini farms, have cattle, have whatever,

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Speaker 2: donkeys have biggest move of chooks't even have a few

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Speaker 2: goats for help them. But it's also about the lack

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Speaker 2: of infrastructure. Now they've come out and say, yes, are

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Speaker 2: going to access there's an untapped and unno one knows

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Speaker 2: about this aquapher and we're going to use it.

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Speaker 1: No you're not.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you can't trick us. Everyone knows about the

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Speaker 2: aquapas in the rule and not the least the residents

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Speaker 2: and the government clearly knows what's going on. And they're

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Speaker 2: talking about using the water from this aquahat. They cannot

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Speaker 2: provide private water Power Water is the only one that

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Speaker 2: in the Northern territory. So there's issues with water and

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Speaker 2: the fact that the Arrows project is going ahead, that's good,

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Speaker 2: but at this stage it's not planned to make a

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Speaker 2: little detour into Acasia Hills, Nunama to provide water for

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Speaker 2: this project. And I sit on that community group and

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Speaker 2: there is no plant at this stage. But the biggest

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Speaker 2: thing at the heart of it is their poor lack

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Speaker 2: done consultation, we did this, you did no, you did it.

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Speaker 2: There's a load of bullshit. Jerry Wood and I organized

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Speaker 2: the community meetings which are attended by a couple of

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Speaker 2: hundred people. We organize a petition. Did survey work. The

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Speaker 2: company's just peggybacking and saying, oh, we've done this work recently.

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Speaker 2: They said they surveyed I don't know, twenty people or something.

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Speaker 2: That's bullshit. No survey work, no focus groups, nothing has

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Speaker 2: at the beginning, K there is no serious trust deficit

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Speaker 2: with this company and the proposal should be rejected again.

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Speaker 2: But if they are serious about trying to move forward

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Speaker 2: with something for goodness sake, you get off your little

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Speaker 2: how it will have minimal impact on their amenity, their lifestyle,

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Speaker 1: So pleasia with that water issue. The developers have apparently

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Speaker 1: pointed to construction of the Strass water treatment plant, saying

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Speaker 1: I mean, could that happen? You're I don't live in

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Speaker 1: better idea than I.

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Speaker 2: I sit on that community reference group for the Arrows

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Speaker 2: project along with other stakeholders. Now there has been no reference,

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Speaker 2: and we've been going for about two or three or

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Speaker 2: they're going to get that water. I'd like to see

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Speaker 2: some evidence, show me some evidence of your discussions with

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Speaker 2: the Northern Urchar government and Power Water that says and

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Speaker 2: proves that you're getting watered from that treatment plant, which

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Speaker 2: is a treatment plant, right, it's not a holding dam now.

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Speaker 1: So I am hopefully going to have the developer on

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Speaker 1: the show tomorrow, so I'll see what I can find out. Kens.

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Speaker 1: I guess from the other side of this, the Northern Territory,

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Speaker 1: as we know, is in the you know, we are

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Speaker 1: in a in a housing shortage. I mean, what do

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't be cheap, Katie. They're kidding themselves that they

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Speaker 2: think it's going to be cheap. You know, by the

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Speaker 2: time infrastructure gets put in, it will just be a

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Speaker 2: dormitory suburb. You know, everyone will just sleep there and

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Speaker 2: then go and work and place somewhere else. Okay, let's

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Speaker 2: look at the land that's available. Nicole is still not

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Speaker 2: fully developed. Marlo's Burn, the second stage has not been developed.

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Speaker 2: You've got nor Crest at Behrmar that's got a massive

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Speaker 2: Head with the fence land out there. I know there's

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Speaker 2: two four years or something like that. So don't tell

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Speaker 2: me there's a lack of land and potential for development.

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Speaker 2: Oh and the old Malac caravan park. That's another one.

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Speaker 2: So if people think I'd get a nice little piece

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Speaker 2: of land and go and live in the rule there,

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Speaker 2: oh you won't. You'll be in an urb little jungle

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Speaker 2: with small blocks and you'll be ending up just like

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Speaker 1: So what do you think that there is something like?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that they could make some changes for

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Speaker 1: this to be viable in your opinion or to you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe viable is not the right word, but workable.

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Speaker 2: No workable that fits in with their obviously profit agenda.

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Speaker 2: And that's fine. Don't have an issue. They're a private company,

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Speaker 2: they really need to look at as a rural setting

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Speaker 2: for starters, like the zoning is for twenty acre blocks

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Speaker 2: people would be happy, be comfortable with big chunks for

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Speaker 2: five acres step down to possibly one ak. I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure what that is in hectares, but it's still a

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Speaker 2: But at this point of time, that's not what's on

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Speaker 2: their agenda. They want to have four thousand smaller blocks

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Speaker 2: like a new Parmesan. That's basically what it is. And

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Speaker 2: the residents rightly so, are very concerned and very angry

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Speaker 2: because of what I've said is the misrepresentation and the

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Speaker 2: misleading information that this company keeps putting out.

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Speaker 1: Well case, what are the next steps from your perspective.

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Speaker 2: But what people and I'll be helping too what and

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Speaker 2: Jerry Wood has as well, because I've been very disappointed

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Speaker 2: with the current members of the COLP, both member for

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Speaker 2: Goiter and the member for Nelson. But it was almost

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Speaker 2: as if they're not interested. You know that someone else's problem.

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Speaker 2: I don't know whose problem it is, but they're not interested.

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Speaker 2: What people need to do is to get their concerns

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Speaker 2: into the development concent authority. They've got till I think

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Speaker 2: the sixteenth of may express their concerns right to the

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Speaker 2: government as to why they don't believe this development proposal

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Speaker 2: is appropriate. And also I still say, why isn't the

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Speaker 2: company talking to the government about Woodell? They reckon in

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Speaker 2: the past with the Labor government they did in Labor

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Speaker 2: wasn't interested. Have they spoken to the Colp government about

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Speaker 2: doing business in regards to Wodell. So people need to

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Speaker 2: get their submissions in. Then the consent will hold a

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Speaker 2: public meeting and hopefully see that that this this whole

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Speaker 2: development application is flawed from the very beginning.

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Speaker 1: Well, Kesier, Puriic always love having you on the show. Jeez,

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Speaker 1: we miss you. I wonder if your mom that's not

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Speaker 1: your mom is going to text in.

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Speaker 2: She is deadly with that telephone. I tell you, you keeps

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Speaker 2: putting it on night mode and sometimes it's on aeroplane.

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Speaker 1: Every time you come in. Usually people message in every

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Speaker 1: time you come on. And remember we always had the

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Speaker 1: text that said love Kesier, but not keasy as mom. Remember,

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Speaker 1: oh not. I don't know they might be back. I

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Speaker 1: reckon they'll be back, Kesier, I've no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: It is always again, Okaie.

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Speaker 1: Good on your thanks, Keezier,