1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome friends to the Christian O'Connell show podcast. 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 2: Amazing scenes yesterday, Djokovic saying, can people who are dressed 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 2: up as where's Wally? 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 3: Get out? It's distracting for me who was going just 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 3: us Where's Wally? 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: And the other thing that happened there was a citizens 7 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: arrest yesterday by one of the umpires. 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 4: He got off the chair real knows more about it. 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 5: Yes, at the end of the match, someone ran onto 10 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 5: the court, grabbed one of I think it was Lee 11 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 5: Zu's towel and tried to sprint away the chair. Umpire 12 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 5: leaps down from his chair but they're very high chairs too, 13 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 5: and chases him around the court and out of the 14 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 5: out of the place. Ben Hill chase and apprehends him. 15 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 3: What would in it like a citizen citizens arrest? 16 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 5: And then they got the tower back? 17 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 3: Right? 18 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: So do we know what is the legality around a 19 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 2: citizen's arrest? 20 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 3: All right? 21 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 4: So I've printed this off that says the three essential 22 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 4: elements of deforming a citizen? 23 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 3: Right, So do you know what they are? 24 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 4: Patsy, No, I need to be enlightened. Tell me, Jane, Well, 25 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 4: it is such a funny. We all know that it exists, 26 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 4: but it's not until now that I've actually thought what 27 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 4: a bizarre. 28 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: So that we can remember the citizens actually take the 29 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: law into our own. 30 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 4: Hands and just decide to arrest somebody. Yeah, okay. For 31 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,639 Speaker 4: number one, you must make it clear to the person 32 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 4: that you're arresting them and the reason for the arrest. 33 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 4: So if I'm arresting you in the street, I go, Christian, 34 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 4: I'm arresting you because you've been driving a car that's unregistered. 35 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 4: You are required to detain the person with reasonable force, 36 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:31,919 Speaker 4: not excessive force. 37 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 3: Reasonable force sounds like a Steven Sigar movie. 38 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 4: From an excessive force would be the sequel. And then 39 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 4: the third one is, which is so confusing. The person 40 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 4: must submit to your arrest. So does that mean they 41 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 4: can just choose to go? 42 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 3: No? 43 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: Has anyone actually placed someone under a citizen's arrest? Or selly, 44 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: because it's an incredible thing. You hear about it and 45 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: obviously happened yesterday, but we'd love to hear an eyewitness 46 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: support of actually have, especially if someone actually did it. 47 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: Ian ever made a citizens arrest? 48 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes, Timble. 49 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 3: Several like Dirty Harry, have you taken down Kenny? 50 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 7: I've worked in the industry over the year security and 51 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 7: I've made several in food goods. People stealing out of 52 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 7: the brender's bridges, putting him in their backpack. 53 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 2: This amazing food got take that dem sim out of there, 54 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: get down. 55 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: In one dim city of stolen. They're all stolen, you mongol. 56 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 3: It's good to stop the track. Hi, I thank you 57 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 3: very much. 58 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: You call rocking this one Caroline ever made a citizens arrest. 59 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 6: Well, not me personally, but many decades ago, when I 60 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 6: was just fourteen years old, my father stopped a possible 61 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 6: criminal in our backyard. Told my mother to ring the police, 62 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 6: handed me a cricket bat said this this like makes 63 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 6: a movie. You whack him for something? 64 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 3: You where is deputy? I depretize you with the powers 65 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 3: bestowed in me. 66 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 6: As he as he tackled into the ground, an illicit 67 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 6: substance fell out of his top pocket. The police then arrived. 68 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 6: The copper took one look at the blokes and said, mate, 69 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 6: what are you doing here? Put him in the put 70 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 6: him in the back of the bed. As it turned 71 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 6: out it was a copper's brother in law. 72 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 3: No way. 73 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 6: A couple of weeks later, this rather elaborate apology hamper 74 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 6: turned up for my one of. 75 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: Those storm I mean needed for my wife at the moment. 76 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 3: An apology my brother in law. 77 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: The Christian O'Connell show podcast. 78 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 4: The good news for you is that despite being not 79 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 4: a citizen, you can still make it arrest. 80 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: Anybody can actually have been accepted by the Immigration Department. 81 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: I'm now just waiting for my ceremony. 82 00:03:58,920 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 3: Forgot. 83 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: It's happened literally about a week after we ended for 84 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: the year. My wife and I did. Are yes, I 85 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: got ninety percent. My wife got ninety five, which she 86 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: loves that fact. 87 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 3: Well done, Yeah, well done. I was so nervous. 88 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 4: I was so ceremony or you still have to wait, still. 89 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 3: Got to wait and see congratulation. You should have. 90 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: Mentioned that thing. 91 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 4: And the other thing they specify for making the citizens 92 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 4: arrest is you have to actually catch somebody committing offense 93 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 4: merely having a hunch that someone will would be doing it. 94 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: Something about you, the face, whatever it is, the energy. 95 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: All right, let's get some more stories about you making 96 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: citizens arrest A J. 97 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 7: Tst Off. I just want to make sure that that 98 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 7: no one actually commits the citizens of the rest unless 99 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 7: they are trained, unless like one hundred percent sure if 100 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 7: the are in fear of their life or their partner's life. 101 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 7: At the time I was doing corporate security, I was 102 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 7: looking at Prince Frederick of Denmark before he got married 103 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 7: to Mary. 104 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: Slow this down. This is all incredible, right, this is great. 105 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 2: First of all, thank you very much for considering one's 106 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 2: safety right, because people could get her trying to do 107 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: the right thing. 108 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 3: So I appreciate that. But who which prince were you 109 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 3: looking after? 110 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 7: Prince Frederick of Denmark. He was over and over in 111 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 7: Melbourne for the two five Flemington Cup. 112 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: Gotcha, this Prince Vederick is one of his I was. 113 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 7: Looking after himself and two of his entourage. One of 114 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 7: his entourage had his phone stolen. I took chase. Uh 115 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 7: if I started, Obviously the guy lost, explained. 116 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 3: All right, John winning. Obviously he lost. You don't take 117 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 3: on a j and you walk away. 118 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 7: Now look, I'm no tough guy, but respectful, respectfully, I 119 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 7: was trained. I did it without without without causing any 120 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 7: damage to him. Among the citizens arrest. I made him 121 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 7: sit down while I gave thee to call the police. 122 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: But there's a bit more of that. 123 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 7: You must see this person through to the length of 124 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 7: the law. You must make sure he is arrested. You 125 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 7: make sure, must make sure he is not harmed, and 126 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 7: you know you've got to make sure that he is charged, 127 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 7: and you've got to be present to that charging. 128 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: My horse is about the race, Prince Frederick Waite, sorry, 129 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 3: Frederick Off. We've got to go and god him. No, no, no, 130 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 3: we just need to read him as rights. You could. 131 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 7: If you give me a link. I also have art 132 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 7: and I can prove that all this happened. 133 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 3: This is. 134 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 7: I have a better security where it's declassified. Now it's 135 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 7: I'm allowed to talk about it, but don't be it. 136 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 7: But please don't, please do not attempt to citizen arrest 137 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 7: someone unless you know your rights, that your rights, you 138 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 7: can get in more trouble than they can. So yeah, 139 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 7: we don't only do it if you are half percent 140 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 7: sure that this person needs to out of jail or 141 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 7: needs to get arrested for the crime for that committed. 142 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 2: Good advice feels like the first time this year had 143 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: grownups called in all show. Feel free to do that anytime. 144 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:03,799 Speaker 2: Sometimes we need like a lifeguard. 145 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 3: Go hey, hey, Ben Bens on the line. 146 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: Christian a long time listener, first time caller. 147 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: Thanks you, Ben, Thank you very much. Welcome to the show. 148 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: So I understand that you tried to make assistance the 149 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 2: rest when you were fifteen. 150 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was a young lad just waiting for 151 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: the waiting for the bus, and then a young lady 152 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: had a walt stolen. You have the classic. I stopped, stop, 153 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: he's got my wallet. He's ran down. He's done a 154 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: sharp left and ran down the alleyway, very familiar with 155 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: the fish and chip shop, knowing they have the way 156 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: to the back alley. He was doing straight down there 157 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: and we met. 158 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: In something a Jackie Chan movie where someone ros soon 159 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 2: jumps through a window and then they carry on the chase. 160 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, so what happened there? If you go through the 161 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 3: site or rejoin the chase. 162 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: Side and then we meet to blindside him to the ground. 163 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: An older gentleman caught up with us and he's taken 164 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: over taking charge of said he's under. He's putting them under, 165 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: and the rest all three of us are just staying 166 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: there in silent wait. 167 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 3: The old now is going to put me off if. 168 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 6: You do it. 169 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: The Christian O'Connell Show podcast