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Speaker 1: the line from the Real Estate Institute of the Northern Territory,

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Speaker 1: Quentin Killian.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Quentin, Morning Katie. Quentin.

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Speaker 1: I know that you've stood very firm on your beliefs

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Speaker 1: with this. It's not the right move.

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Speaker 3: No far from it. Like this is a bit like

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Speaker 3: groundhog Day. It's just coming around again. Legislation that should

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Speaker 3: have been thrown out. In fact, it was the government's

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Speaker 3: that stood up and said this is nonsensical legislation. It

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Speaker 3: the time was Natasha Files stood up five minutes later

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Speaker 3: committee and passing the legislation. It is nonsensical. It flies

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Speaker 3: in the face of attracting investors of growing the market,

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Speaker 3: And they're introducing legislation which is going to scare away

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Speaker 1: Quentin, look for me, I can't understand why they've introduced this,

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Speaker 2: So what are they trying to fix?

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Speaker 3: Why is the committee, said Katie. Their own committee said

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's an example in Victoria of the in fact,

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Speaker 1: You know, Quentin, I know that those who own investment

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Speaker 3: Well, essentially, no. The way that the legislation works is

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Speaker 3: Katie, They're allowed to have a pet now, there's nothing

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Speaker 3: Well, the argument that they're putting forward in their lame

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Speaker 3: This is the thin edge of the wedge about landlord's rights,

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Speaker 1: Well, you're not taking that same level of risk that

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Speaker 2: How many people signed that petition?

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Speaker 1: So they've not listened to those eight thousand people. Were

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Speaker 2: Goodness, may Quentin. I know that.

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Speaker 1: Look, I know that people, some people listening this morning

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Speaker 1: feeling quite demoralized by these changes. You know, if they

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Speaker 3: Consumer Affairs will have some information on it. But you

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Speaker 3: Your own committee told you that this was a big mistake.

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Speaker 2: And you've done it anyway you.

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Speaker 3: Continue to do this groundhole day activity and push through

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Speaker 2: Well, Quentin Killian, we are going to have to leave

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Speaker 2: it there.

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Speaker 1: SEEO of the Real Estate Institute of the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate your time this morning. Thanks so much

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Speaker 3: You time, Katie. People ring your ring your local member

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Speaker 3: and let them know how upset you are.

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Speaker 1: changed on urgency due to COVID. Now, to me, this

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Speaker 2: Have they gone through?

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Speaker 1: Now there are a lot of you getting in contact

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Speaker 1: if you if you own a property and do you

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Speaker 1: want to make your voice heard, give us a ring.

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Speaker 1: Eight nine one four nine is the number. We've got

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Speaker 1: quite a bit of time after ten o'clock. If you

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Speaker 1: want to make sure that your voice is heard on

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Speaker 1: this issue, call through. I've got a message here, Katie.

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Speaker 1: I can only rent as I don't have money, but

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Speaker 1: my daughter is highly allergic to cat here and some dogs.

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Speaker 1: This is going to make things harder to find a properties.

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Speaker 1: That message I read out a little earlier as well.

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Speaker 1: I've got one here. This pet law is something the

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Speaker 1: Victorian government did. This mob just follows them. Another one, hi, Katie,

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Speaker 1: was the community provided opportunity to input. I did not

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Speaker 1: get anything to indicate it was about to change. What

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Speaker 1: about constant barking dogs, arrogant and high handed behavior?

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Speaker 2: Says that Texter. Another one here, Katie.

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Speaker 1: The cynic in me says the government want to push

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Speaker 1: through the ability for people to be allowed to have

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Speaker 1: dogs in particular to maybe influence the break and entry numbers,

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Speaker 1: maybe reduces the crime stats as well. I think that

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Speaker 1: one's matting driver. There's another one high Katie and co.

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Speaker 1: Regards to the Tenants Act to allow dogs. This is

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Speaker 1: a way for the government and their mates to in

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Speaker 1: litigation to make more money. Government thinks landlords are all rich,

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Speaker 1: so tax, tax, tax in any way to rip people off,

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Speaker 1: silly people running the looney farm. And yeah, look there

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Speaker 1: is a lot more. There's a lot coming through. One

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Speaker 1: here says my property, my rules. If you choose to

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Speaker 1: rent from me, you choose to follow my rules. Don't

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Speaker 1: like my rules, don't rent from me, says that texter.

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Speaker 1: Another one here. The last time you had this pet

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Speaker 1: story on, I told you about my tenant who kept

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Speaker 1: pigeons in the internal cupboards. Oh my goodness, they had

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Speaker 1: permission to have a dog. I shudder when I think

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Speaker 1: of my public housing neighbor who had seven dogs and

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Speaker 1: then went to prison. Goodness, gracious, that is crazy stuff.

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Speaker 1: And look, if you do want to send us a message,

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Speaker 1: feel free to do so. Zero four one eight nine

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Speaker 1: out I know that there are a lot of wonderful

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Speaker 1: renters who have dogs and other animals who actually look

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Speaker 1: after homes beautifully. And I've been one of those people

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Speaker 1: who has had a small dog while renting my property

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Speaker 1: and done everything I could to keep that property immaculate.

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Speaker 1: So I do definitely want to point out that there's

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Speaker 1: lots of people who do the right thing. But the

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Speaker 1: concern here, of course, is that you know that people

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Speaker 1: who own these properties sort of are feeling like they

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Speaker 1: don't have a leg to stand on.