1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: The Wiggles acknowledged the traditional custodians of country throughout Australia 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: and their connections to land, sea and community. We pay 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: our respects to elders, past, present and emerging. 4 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: Welcome to Wiggle Talk, a podcast for parents. I'm Simon Price. 5 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: I'm a Wiggle and I wear the color red. 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 3: Oh hello everybody. My name is Lucky, and I too 7 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 3: am a Wiggle and I wear the color purple. Hello Lucky, 8 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 3: Hello Simon. Great to see you. I's lovely to see 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 3: you too. I am wearing purple today. 10 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 2: You wear purple a lot, thank you. I'm wearing a 11 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 2: light blue. 12 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 3: You know who bought me this jumper? No, Captain Feathersword 13 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 3: and the Tree of Wisdom for my birthday? 14 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: Oh really what birthday was that? 15 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 3: I think it was the Big Four? Roh really think 16 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 3: it was last year in America. 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. It looks for like an important present, yes, certain 18 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: amount of value, yes, forever a big major. 19 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 3: Thank you. 20 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: Kavi. 21 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,279 Speaker 3: Well, look, today's episode is a bit different. But before 22 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 3: we get to that, I just wanted to tell you 23 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 3: a story. Okay, last week I was on my way 24 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 3: to the airport, didn't have a lot of time. 25 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 2: No, well you normally don't. 26 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 3: No, it's quite right. 27 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 2: Rush out of here. You're in the car, yes, VM two, 28 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: bump at a bumper. 29 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 3: As soon as you get to the tunnel. But I thought, 30 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 3: being a good step father that I am, I wanted 31 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 3: to buy Jasper a cricket bat. Oh, he loves his 32 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: cricket he does. And I thought it's time. That was 33 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 3: a little small, so I stopped at the cricket center 34 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 3: on the way to the airport. 35 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: Got that bats coming different sizes they do. Yeah, I 36 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 2: remember that name. 37 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: This is all new learning curve. But he was a 38 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 3: size three and I needed to get him a size four. 39 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 3: And I knew I would be very close to missing 40 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 3: my flight. But I'm like, no, I can do it. 41 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 3: I've got time. Stopped at the cricket center at the airport. No, 42 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 3: this is just North Sydney, and then found the bat. 43 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: Beautiful. What sort of bat was it? 44 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 3: It's a County English English willow. He's still around. I 45 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 3: bought that. I bought a mallet to did. 46 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: You remember you've got to bat them in? 47 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, all down the willow to get it ready to 48 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 3: be hit by a cricket ball. 49 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 2: And they had the other ones which had that sort 50 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 2: of like fiberglassy service on them where you didn't need 51 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 2: to mallet them. 52 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 3: Ye, no, this was so I bought the mallet, bought 53 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 3: the bat. He gave me a lovely slip to put 54 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 3: the bat in, and then literally as my savings card 55 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: went down to pay, I thought, I said out loud, 56 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 3: I can't tell this on the plane, can I. I 57 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 3: don't have any underneath luggage I've just got carried on. 58 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 3: I can't hold it with the mallet walking onto the 59 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 3: to the plate that he said, I don't think you can. 60 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 3: So then I drive to the airport trying to think, 61 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 3: how can I put my backpack under with the cricket 62 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 3: batsticking that would have got damaged before I knocked. 63 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: You buy some nails as well. You're there, so. 64 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 3: I had to. I had to leave it here for 65 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: the week in Sydney. You left it in your car, 66 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 3: left in the car and then got a very big 67 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 3: suitcase from Wiggles to take it home the next weekend. 68 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 3: So he missed out on a week. 69 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: Of But he has it now, he has it. He's 70 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: now size five. 71 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 3: He didn't get many runs. It's got you know what's 72 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,839 Speaker 3: tricky too. This is the first year that they get 73 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 3: out is out. 74 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: It's all what happens prior. 75 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: They get twenty balls and they can just you'll just 76 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 3: get a go. 77 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: Yep. 78 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 3: This is the first year under tens. If you're out, 79 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,839 Speaker 3: it's a tricky walk back for them. They all find 80 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 3: it quite emotional, so that's a big learning for them. 81 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: But do you find an emotional too. 82 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 3: No, I'm ready there on the sidelines to support him. 83 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 2: They don't worry. 84 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 4: That's okay. 85 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 3: Next week. 86 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, you bat and bawl all on the same day. 87 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty five overs each, that's gone about three and 88 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 3: a half hours. 89 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: Don't encourage your child to play cricket, No, just because 90 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: of the hours. 91 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 3: It is fun. Twenty five clothes pretty quick. 92 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved it when I was little. I love 93 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: cricket so much. Yep. But looking back, my parents didn't 94 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: come very often. I now I know. 95 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 3: Why they dropped. You have a good game. 96 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: See date was jas broket. They didn't score many runs. 97 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: No, No, he's found it hard, but a lot of 98 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 3: the boys have. But it's just that I remember that 99 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: it's a yucky feeling. 100 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: Do boys and girls playing the team together or is 101 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: it from that age? 102 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: Well, this is separate. Yeah, okay, but yeah, that's a 103 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 3: big lesson to learn in a sport like cricket where 104 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 3: you just you have one chance. 105 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you've you've got three and a half hours. 106 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 3: To wait, yep, and then you got to wait till 107 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 3: next week. 108 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: Does everybody get a bowl? 109 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, they have two overs each, so they get through 110 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 3: the whole team, which is really lovely. It's good yep, 111 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 3: just for a quite good medium pace actually really. 112 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: Oh he's learn from the best. 113 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. Anyway, surely we should mass it into it. 114 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 2: Well. 115 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 3: Now you may have seen that the Wiggles have recently 116 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 3: been responding to an issue with a yellow Emma style 117 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: bow on a headband that was sold at Wiggle shows 118 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 3: and elsewhere until a couple of years ago. Now, these 119 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 3: bows used a button battery to light up. 120 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two, mandatory standards for testing and labeling 121 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 2: products containing button batteries came into effect in Australia. Now, 122 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 2: these bows had been made by one of our licensees 123 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: before those standards were introduced. In fact, due to COVID, 124 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 2: the COVID pandemic and many of our concerts being canceled, 125 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: we had a surpose of stock. Now Regrettably, the products 126 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 2: didn't have the required warning information related to the button 127 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: batteries on them, which meant they didn't meet the mandatory standards, 128 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 2: which we didn't pick up at the time, and we 129 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: sold the headbands to customers without the required warning information. 130 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 3: As a result, yeah, we have been moving away from 131 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 3: the products containing button batteries and this was one of 132 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 3: the last products left in stock now. As always, children's 133 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 3: safety and well being is the wiggles highest priority, so 134 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 3: following investigation by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission the 135 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 3: a Triple C, we have been taking a number of 136 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 3: corrective steps. There is a recall for these bows and 137 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 3: if you have one, please head to the Wiggles dot 138 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 3: com forward slash recall for instructions on how to return 139 00:05:58,760 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: it for a full refile. 140 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: We've also made an undertaking to the HBRAC to take 141 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: a number of further measures to make sure all Wiggle's 142 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: products are compliant with all requirements and to help educate 143 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: families about button battery safety and children's toy safety. And 144 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: that's really what today's episode is about. We wanted to 145 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 2: take this opportunity to have a broader conversation about button 146 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: battery safety, children's toys and what parents need to know 147 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 2: if something does go wrong. 148 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: To help us do that, we are speaking to two experts. Firstly, 149 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 3: we are talking to Rod Bawling, CEO of Standards Australia, 150 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: the organization that develops and update standards for products including 151 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 3: certain toys and button batteries in Australia. Then we'll speak 152 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 3: with Sarah Hunstead, founding director of CPR Kids, who help 153 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 3: educate families about responding to children's illness and injury, about 154 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 3: what steps to take in relation to potentially very serious 155 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 3: risks that could be linked to toys or button batteries. 156 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: By the end of this episode, you'll come away with 157 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 2: a clear understanding of the requirements for children's products in 158 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: Australia and what steps to take if anything does go wrong. 159 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: So let's get into it. 160 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 3: Rod, thank you for joining us on will Talk this morning. 161 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 4: Na, thank you for having me. 162 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 3: We've heard a lot more in recent years about the 163 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: dangers of button battery. So for parents listening today, could 164 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 3: you just explain why they're taken so seriously from a 165 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 3: product safety point of view. 166 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, And look button battery, So something that 167 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 4: looks so innocuous can actually cause a significant amount of 168 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 4: harm for all humans, but particularly children, particularly when they're ingested. 169 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 4: There's a chemical reaction that can happen that can cause 170 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 4: inside chemical burns, which is where a lot of the 171 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 4: danger comes from, and those burns can actually lead to 172 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 4: quite serious life threatening injuries in the time of a 173 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 4: couple of hours. And then there's a secondary risk which 174 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 4: is obviously around choking. So between sort are the potential 175 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 4: for internal damage and then obviously the choking risk. It 176 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 4: is an area that we're hearing a lot more about 177 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 4: and one that parents are taking a lot more seriously 178 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 4: as well. 179 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: So what standards can be put in place and with 180 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: regards to the safety of button batteries in toys. 181 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 4: So what standards try to do, particularly in this case 182 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 4: is look to act as a bit of a frontline 183 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 4: defense for parents. And so that's from all the way 184 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 4: from the manufacture of a product through to the packaging, 185 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 4: through to warnings on the labels, through to providing advice 186 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 4: as to how to respond if your child does accidentally 187 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 4: ingest one of those batteries. And so in terms of 188 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 4: the products itself, there's some strong standards that talk about 189 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 4: the need to have labels on that product which identify 190 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 4: the risk associated with having a button battery involved in 191 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 4: a product. Then I think the actual compartment of the 192 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 4: button batteries are really really important one for parents to 193 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 4: take notice of from a standards perspective, making sure the 194 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 4: back compartment is really secure and childproof. 195 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: I want to make sure. 196 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 4: That it's got screws, a child can't open it with 197 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 4: one finger or one hand. It really is tamper proof, 198 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 4: to make sure that there's not the accidental access of 199 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 4: a button battery and a toy or a product for 200 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 4: a child. 201 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 3: Okay, button batteries are one example, but when it comes 202 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 3: to children's toys, how do safety standards actually help protect 203 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: the families? 204 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 4: As you said, button batteries are key one, but standards 205 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 4: are so much broader than just that one particular incident. 206 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 4: So safety standards are really broad, and they cover things 207 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 4: like sharp edges. They cover things like structural design and 208 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 4: strength of toys. You don't want a child leaning on 209 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 4: something thinking it's going to be safe and then it 210 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 4: falls and collapses underneath them. It also covers things like 211 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 4: flammability of children's clothes all the way through to things 212 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 4: like the very popular slime or those sorts of products that, 213 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 4: if they're not up the standard can have some actually 214 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 4: quite dangerous chemicals in them as. 215 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: Well as parents. Now we know in my household, for example, 216 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 2: a lot of stuff comes online and turns up with 217 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 2: our front door from all over the world. What is 218 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: it that we can look out for then to know 219 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: that these products that we're buying have reached those safety standards. 220 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's a couple of things. First of all, 221 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 4: I'd say use the parental intuition you have first and foremost. 222 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 4: If you're picking up a product and your gut tells 223 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 4: you it doesn't quite feel safe, and as I said, 224 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 4: there's that compartment that doesn't quite feel secure from a 225 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 4: button perspective, or it looks like something beings tampered with before, 226 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 4: I would say definitely either ask for a refund or 227 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 4: throw it away. But when you're looking at the standard 228 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 4: compliance itself, I'd be looking for things that come from 229 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 4: reputable sellers, whether it's online or through a store itself. 230 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 4: I'd be looking at the A Triple C website to 231 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 4: make sure that the products haven't been recalled. And I'd 232 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 4: also be looking for specific callouts on packaging that talk 233 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 4: about compliance with relevant safety standards and also provide those 234 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 4: warnings for parents around the potential risks associated with a 235 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 4: toyra product as well. 236 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 3: How much attention should parents pay to things like labels 237 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 3: and age guidance and battery security just overall quality of 238 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 3: the product. 239 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 4: I think it's really important and I think we're all 240 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 4: time for and whilst I have a couple of boys 241 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 4: that are a little bit older than wiggle age now, I 242 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 4: do remember that when they want that toy or they 243 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 4: want that product, the last thing you want to be 244 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 4: doing is sitting with them and trying to read the 245 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 4: instructions and the safety warnings carefully. They want to have 246 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 4: it in their hands and play with it. But it 247 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 4: is really important. Given i'll call it the increased level 248 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 4: of gadget complexity features that toys have now, inherently there 249 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 4: is a little bit more increased risk in that. So 250 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 4: as a parent, just actually taking that time to read 251 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 4: those safety warnings understand what the potential risk is by 252 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 4: actually giving that toy to your child and then making 253 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 4: sure that that product is compliant with those safety requirements, 254 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 4: I think it's a really really smart investment of time. 255 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: And I guess it is up to us as parents too. 256 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: Then if you've purchased a toy, whether it's online in 257 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: a store which you've got questions about, it's up to 258 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: us and to report that, because that's how then everyb 259 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: becomes aware that there are safety concerns around a certain product. 260 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 4: Definitely, I think education and awareness is really important, particularly 261 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 4: as you mentioned, given that we're getting more and more 262 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 4: of these products online and from overseas as well. The 263 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 4: best way to do that is through Product Safety Australia, 264 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 4: which is a website run by the A Triple C 265 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 4: where people can report products that they believe to be 266 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 4: non compliant or unsafe and they can do that either 267 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 4: anonymously or by giving their name, and the more information 268 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 4: they can provide the better. So that even goes to 269 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 4: providing some photos of examples of where the parent thinks 270 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 4: that there's an unsafe component or the packaging hasn't been 271 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 4: appropriate in terms of warning or security of the button 272 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 4: batteries or other potential risks, and then the A Triple 273 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 4: C acts quite quickly in terms of investigating those potential 274 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 4: safety concerns and if needed, will take the appropriate action 275 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 4: to try and protect parents and children going forward. 276 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: I don't know if this is relatable, you know, because 277 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 2: we buy things from all over the world now and 278 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: you buy a T shirt and a T shirt has 279 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 2: eighteen different tags on it. Is that because it's trying 280 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 2: to match safety standards in different countries all over the world. 281 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 2: Like you see it, one tag on a T shirt 282 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: Now it's like a little mini phone book attached to 283 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 2: your shirt. 284 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 4: It is, and it's right in the place, which itches 285 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 4: you as well. Person want to cut it off, right, 286 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 4: But no, Look, I think we have to try and 287 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 4: find a balance. So you're spot on. There's a lot 288 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 4: of information that's required to be given under standards at 289 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 4: the moment, and that does lead to things like a 290 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 4: lot more tags on products, including things like children or 291 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 4: even adult clothing. As an industry, we need to try 292 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 4: and move to finding the right balance between creating these 293 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 4: really important technical standards but making them user friendly for 294 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 4: the people who have the product in the hand at 295 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 4: the end of the day. And so there may be 296 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 4: a need to have those eighteen tags sitting inside the 297 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 4: shirt that you've bought, but I think there's probably an 298 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 4: opportunity to say, okay, well, what's the really most important 299 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 4: things around flammability of a child's piece of clothing, and 300 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 4: how do we get that front and center on the 301 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 4: packaging so a parent can actually make that informed assessment 302 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 4: as to whether or not they want to purchase that 303 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 4: product and whether it's fit for purpose in terms of 304 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 4: where the child's looking to wear it as well. 305 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really interesting, right. I mean, safety is always 306 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 2: our biggest concern for our children as parents and as 307 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 2: the industry wearin. If there's one takeaway for parents within 308 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 2: the whole standards and safety areas for children and toys 309 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: and products, what would that be. 310 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 4: I'm going to give you two. If that's okay, you 311 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 4: are the one. 312 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 2: You can give us three if you'd like to. 313 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 4: Now you put the pressure, But I think the first 314 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 4: one would be, as I said, just take that time 315 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 4: to read those warning labels on what you're purchasing and 316 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 4: look for those warning labels. I think it's as I said, 317 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 4: I know everyone's time poor, and I know sometimes our 318 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 4: children cannot wait to get their hands on the product 319 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 4: out of the packaging, But just that little bit of 320 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 4: investment in time up front, I think is a really 321 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 4: really good use of people's time from a safety perspectives. 322 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 4: The other thing I would say, and you mentioned it before, Simon, 323 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 4: in terms of the amount of online shopping that people 324 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 4: are doing now as well, there's a lot of i'll 325 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 4: call it very attractive price points out there online as well. 326 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 4: Don't compromise safety for savings. And I know we're at 327 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 4: a very tough cost of living environment at the moment, 328 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 4: but I think just making that conscious decision to not 329 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 4: compromise your child's safety for the sake of a little 330 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 4: bit of saving is a bit of advice we're looking 331 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 4: to give to people as well. 332 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: That's an excellent point. 333 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 3: It's a really good point. 334 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 2: Because online you'll see so many of the same product 335 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: and you think, what's the difference between and oh, that 336 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 2: one's cheapest, But that's quite possibly it's cheaper for a 337 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 2: reason exactly exactly such important work and it's great to 338 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 2: talk to you, and I know it's really important for 339 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: our audience to get a greater understanding all the safety 340 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 2: around our toys and the safety of our children. So Rod, 341 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: thanks for coming on Wiggle Talk. 342 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 4: Many thanks again. 343 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: Well, now we're going to speak with Sarah Hunstead, founding 344 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: director of CPR Kids, So Sarah, welcome, to Wiggle Talk. 345 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 5: Thank you for having me. 346 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 3: We're talking today about button battery safety because for a 347 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 3: lot of parents, this is one of those risks that 348 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 3: we've probably heard of but don't know that full understanding 349 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 3: of what can happen. So from a health perspective, can 350 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 3: you just talk to us about why they're so dangerous? 351 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? 352 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 5: Absolutely, And with our chat today as well, I just 353 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 5: want to start with this isn't about scaring anyone about 354 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 5: oh my goodness, you know there's all these things in 355 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 5: my home that can hurt my child. It's not about that. 356 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 5: It's about empowering everyone so they know what to do 357 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 5: in an emergency. So don't be scared, you know. It's 358 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 5: a really positive conversation. 359 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. Great. 360 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 5: Now, when it comes to button batteries, I think there's 361 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 5: some obvious things that as parents and care as we 362 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 5: might think of, like it's a choking hazard, and around 363 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 5: twenty kids every week present to emergency departments after some 364 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 5: kind of button battery injury related incident, so it's something 365 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 5: that's really, you know, reasonably common. But what we really 366 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 5: worry about is when a child either swallows or inserts 367 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 5: a button battery somewhere where they shouldn't because what happens 368 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 5: is is that even if a button battery is dead, 369 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 5: so you know, we've taken it out of you know, 370 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 5: the remote control or whatever it is, and we think, oh, well, 371 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 5: that's not going to hurt anyone that's dead. Now, when 372 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 5: it comes in contact with saliva, if they've swallowed it 373 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 5: or it's not, if they've stuck it up their nose, 374 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 5: it actually causes a charge. So basically an electrical circuit 375 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 5: occurs and what happens is a chemical reaction and that 376 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 5: ends up burning wherever it is that that button battery 377 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 5: has lodged. And the really worrying thing is that this 378 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 5: can happen in a really short amount of time. That 379 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 5: life threatening injuries can happen in as little as two hours. 380 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 5: And that's why we need to know what to do well. 381 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 2: And so then the important thing is as a parent, 382 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 2: if you've seen it happen, you need to act quickly. 383 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,959 Speaker 2: I guess is what the key to that is? 384 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 5: Yep, exactly, Because even if we're unsure if a child 385 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 5: has swallowed a button battery, if we just think, all 386 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 5: hang on a sec, I put that button battery that 387 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 5: I was changing up on the kitchen bench and that's 388 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 5: not there now, or we find them and they've got 389 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 5: you know, that musical birthday card or the flameless candle 390 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 5: that's got the button battery component open. We are absolutely going, Okay, 391 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 5: you need to get our child checked immediately, just in 392 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 5: case this has happened, because, as I said, within two hours, catastrophic, 393 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 5: life threatening injuries can occur. So acting quick and knowing 394 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 5: the first aid is what you need to do. 395 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 2: I haven't thought about those birthday cards or those can 396 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 2: I mean, there are a lot of button batteries around 397 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: that we might not necessarily be aware of. So it's 398 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 2: important that as parents to understand where they are and 399 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 2: what products have them. 400 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 401 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 5: Absolutely, so thinking about when you're buying something, have a 402 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 5: look and see what's it powered by. One thing that 403 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 5: we've often got in our house is a thermometer, so 404 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 5: many of them are powered by button batteries. Have a 405 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 5: look in your car keys, what about the remote controls 406 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 5: that you know you change the telly with? Thinking about 407 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 5: things like your mouse on your computer, you know what's 408 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 5: that powered by. So it's about making sure that you 409 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 5: know what you've got in your home that's powered by 410 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 5: button batteries, including the toys, because they can be really 411 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 5: common in kids toys as well. 412 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 3: Button batteries are one example, but more broadly, what are 413 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 3: some of the toys or small products that are at 414 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 3: risk and that can catch families off guard. 415 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 5: The good thing is is that here in Australia we've 416 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 5: got mandatory standards when it comes to kids toys, particularly 417 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 5: for ones under the age of three years. So that's 418 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 5: a good thing that helps us when we're choosing toys. 419 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 5: But things slip through and often we might give a 420 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 5: child a toy that perhaps isn't for their age bracket 421 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 5: or kids are. They will go around, they'll find stuff 422 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 5: they shouldn't. They're get to go through your drawers, you 423 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 5: know it, through your desk, They're going to get things, 424 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 5: and so accidents do happen. So thinking about things like magnets, 425 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 5: for example, what can happen is if the child swallows 426 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 5: more than one magnet, they can actually come together and 427 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 5: that can erode through whatever body part it's in at 428 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 5: the time. It might be the bell or you know, 429 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 5: the intestine, and so that's something that we need to 430 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 5: think about, particularly those high powered ones. They've actually been 431 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 5: banned in Australia, but you still can get them, you know, 432 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 5: that could be those little desk toys or in jewelry. 433 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 5: So it's really pace to be aware of these sorts 434 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 5: of things and anything that can fit through through the 435 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 5: inside of a toilet roll a child can choke on, 436 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 5: which is basically everything in your house, let's be honest. 437 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 5: So it's a really good thing that if you do 438 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 5: have young kids, go around on your hands and knees. 439 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 5: You're gonna feel a little bit silly doing it, but 440 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 5: go around on your hands and knees, look at your 441 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 5: house from their perspective. What are those little things that 442 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 5: you can find that might fit through that inside of 443 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 5: the toilet roll, that little cardboard tube, and just move 444 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 5: them out of the way. It's not forever they grow up, 445 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 5: but it's about just being aware of what's around, particularly 446 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 5: if you've got older siblings there as well who like 447 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 5: to play with the little teeny tiny toys and leave 448 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 5: them out for the little ones. 449 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're probably quite diligent when our children 450 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 2: are really little, and we know we cover our corners, 451 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 2: we do all that, we pick everything up, and then 452 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 2: as they get a bit older, we probably kind of 453 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 2: lose that thought of the importance of it, but it's 454 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 2: you're actually still incredibly dangerous. That's that age. 455 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, by the time you've gone to the third kid, 456 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 5: it's like, oh, what happens to them? But yeah, it 457 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 5: does pain to put away the small stuff. 458 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 2: What are you looking out for? I guess with your child, 459 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 2: if you think maybe they've swallowed a button, battery, or 460 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 2: they've another part of the toy, or you've realized that's 461 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 2: something gone missing, do you look for signs with your 462 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 2: children or go you know what, we're taking you in 463 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 2: the car when you were going straight to emergency. 464 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 5: I wish this was just a black and white answer. 465 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 5: I could say look for this and this is what 466 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 5: you're going to do, But unfortunately I can't do that 467 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 5: because sometimes you're not going to know. Like if your 468 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 5: child has swallowed something, or maybe they have choked, that's 469 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 5: pretty obvious because you'll see them struggling, you'll hear that 470 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 5: big cough, you'll be alerted to that if they have 471 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 5: any breathing difficulty, so you go to see that. But 472 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 5: if they've swallowed something, you may not be aware of it. 473 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 5: And so that's why if you suspect it, you need 474 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 5: to take them to be checked out. If you are 475 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 5: ever unsure, then what you can do is that you 476 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 5: can ring in Australia. We've got some fantastic help out 477 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 5: there that's free. We've got Health direct, We've got one 478 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 5: eight hundred Medicare. You can call those twenty four hours 479 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 5: a day and that registered nurse at the end of 480 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 5: the line is going to tell you what you need 481 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 5: to do. So that's a great thing that we have 482 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 5: that here and it's free. So if you are unsure, 483 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 5: give them a call. You know they're phone a friend, 484 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 5: give them a call. But if it is an emergency, 485 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 5: and this is where I will usually say, trust You're 486 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 5: going to know whether this is an emergency. And I 487 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 5: have people say to me, you know, I get so 488 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 5: anxious and I panic with this. How will I know 489 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 5: to trust my guard? Trust me? 490 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 2: You will. 491 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 5: You will notice if your child is struggling to breathe, 492 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 5: if they are changing color, if it is that emergency 493 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 5: that needs that ambulance, call triple zero and they will 494 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 5: take you to the men emergency department. 495 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 3: And obviously, if you know the button battery has been swallowed, 496 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 3: either ring triple zero or get to a hospital straight away. 497 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 5: So what you need to do specifically for button batteries 498 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 5: is the Australian Resuscitation Council has actually just released some 499 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 5: new guidelines for the first aid, so I would love 500 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 5: to go through those step by step. Now, if that's okay. 501 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 5: If your child is having any difficulty breathing at all, 502 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 5: or you're having trouble waking them up so they've lost consciousness, 503 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 5: then you are calling Triple zero immediately. Okay, so that's easy. 504 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 5: But if you suspect or you know that they have 505 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 5: swallowed that button battery, then you are going to call 506 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 5: Poisons Information on thirteen eleven twenty six, so that is 507 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 5: the National Poisons Hotline. Put it in your phone thirteen 508 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 5: eleven twenty six, so you've got it there for an emergency. 509 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 5: They will advise you what to do. Now, what they 510 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 5: will probably tell you to do, and certainly what the 511 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 5: Australian Resuscitation Council tells you to do is to give 512 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 5: your child honey. Because two teaspoons of honey, so that's 513 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 5: about ten mills. What all the evidence shows is that 514 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 5: that actually puts a coating around that button battery. So 515 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 5: obviously this is only if your child has swallowed a 516 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 5: button battery, if they've stuck it under their eye lid 517 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 5: or up their nose, then we're following what poisons tell 518 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 5: us to do. We're not pouring honey up their nose 519 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 5: anything like that, but we're going to do that every 520 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 5: ten minutes until either ambulance arrive or we arrive at 521 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 5: the destination where poisons has told us to go, and 522 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 5: it coats that button battery and it helps stop that 523 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 5: burning process. There's a couple of things around that though. 524 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 5: Number one, if a child's under the age of twelve months, 525 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 5: you shouldn't give them honey because there's risk of something 526 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 5: called infant brtualism. Jam works well, so if you can't 527 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 5: give them honey or you don't have any use the 528 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,479 Speaker 5: two teaspoons of jam. The good thing is is to 529 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 5: call poisons first, because there are some times that we 530 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 5: might not do that if your child is, for example, 531 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 5: vomiting blood, which can happen if a button battery has 532 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 5: been sitting there a while, and so taking their advice 533 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 5: is a great thing to do. And they'll also tell 534 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 5: you where to take your child or whether to call 535 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 5: an ambulance because not all hospitals are equipped to quickly 536 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 5: remove button batteries. They may actually tell you, depending on 537 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 5: where you are, particularly if you're rural, exactly what you 538 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 5: need to do. So in a nutshell, if your child 539 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 5: has breathing difficulties, call Triple zero. If they're okay, but 540 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 5: you suspect or you know that they have had a 541 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 5: button battery ingestion, call Poisons Information on thirteen eleven twenty six. 542 00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 5: Follow their instruction. 543 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: That's great advice. Now, Lucky, I'm going to test you. Yes, 544 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 2: what's the poisons. 545 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 3: Hotline thirteen eleven twenty six. Well done, Well done, Lucky. 546 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 2: With regards to you know, we buy a lot of 547 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 2: products online now and we don't necessarily always know where 548 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 2: they come from. And not not just with button battews, 549 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 2: but products in general. As parents, what do we need 550 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 2: to be looking out for just to make sure that 551 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 2: these toys that we're buying are going to be safe 552 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 2: for our children. 553 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sorry, I'm laughing. 554 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 3: Busy said this. 555 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 5: I'm just I'm shaking my head because it's not just 556 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,239 Speaker 5: the parents I received when my kids were little, I 557 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 5: received a package from my nan and so I bless her. 558 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 5: I opened it up and there was a toy clown inside. 559 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,239 Speaker 5: Now Number one, I was sure this clown was going 560 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 5: to come alive at nighttime and I'd wake up and 561 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 5: it would be staring at me. But not just that, 562 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 5: as I've taken it out of the package, the clown's head. 563 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 2: Fella. 564 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 5: Now, mind you, my children are two and three at 565 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 5: the time, and I've immediately thought, okay, hang on, this 566 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 5: isn't safe. The pediatric nurse in me has immediately gone, 567 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 5: this is not safe at all. But not only that, 568 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 5: there was a five centimeter metal spike that was coming 569 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 5: out of the clown's body that was holding the head on. 570 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 5: So I'm like, oh, my goodness, thank goodness when I 571 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 5: actually unwrapped this that I saw, you know, because if 572 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 5: one of the kids had been playing with it, that 573 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 5: could have been a terrible, terrible accident. So going back 574 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 5: to your question, make sure that you vet toys before 575 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 5: they come into the house. Well meaning grandparents, aunts, uncles 576 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 5: might have done a little you know, online shopping from 577 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 5: places where they may not have the mandatory standards that 578 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 5: we do, or have gone to a shop that may 579 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 5: have imported you know that might not be following those standards. 580 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 5: So check the toys, give them a good one. And 581 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 5: if they you deem them to be safe and their 582 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 5: age appropriate, then of course do they have a battery 583 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 5: compartment and the battery compartment for when it's a toy 584 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 5: for kids under the age of three, it should have 585 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 5: a mechanism that either requires a screw that keeps it 586 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 5: down so you need to physically unscrew it to get 587 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 5: to the battery compartment, or it's that movement that it 588 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 5: takes two separate movements to open it, so essentially trying 589 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 5: to make it child resistant with that. And so where 590 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 5: are you buying your toys from, check them before they 591 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 5: come in, and of course are they age appropriate. 592 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 2: And stay away from clowns. 593 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 5: And stay away from clowns. 594 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 2: Yes, it's reminded me now when Lauren, my wife, and 595 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 2: I had Asher, who's five now, we did a whole 596 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 2: CPR training and first aid course before Ash was born, 597 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 2: but it's reminded me we should actually do that again, 598 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 2: just you know, as a safety thing for the home. 599 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 2: Do you recommend, I mean obviously for all families to 600 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 2: update and keep updated with the safety in CPR. 601 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 5: Absolutely, because that key to not panicking when something goes 602 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 5: wrong is actually knowing what to do and so the 603 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 5: more often that you do it, the more it becomes 604 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 5: that muscle memory, and particularly if you do a pediatric 605 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 5: specific one where it's really focusing on the kids. If 606 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 5: you're doing that, you know the CPR component every year. 607 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 5: The Australian Resuscitation Council recommends that you do the first 608 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 5: aid component every three years. But obviously children grow there 609 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 5: are different issues as they grow up as well. So 610 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 5: refreshing that memory and just being confident to go, you 611 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 5: know what, I probably will panic if my kid gets injured. 612 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 5: I probably will, but on the outside, I'm going to 613 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 5: be composed. I'm going to take action and I'm going 614 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 5: to know what to do. I'm going to get help 615 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 5: when I need it. So empowering, and then when everything's fine, 616 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 5: that's when you fall apart later. 617 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. We learn how if actually was a 618 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 2: baby and with a choking hazard what to do, But 619 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 2: now being a five year old, I actually wouldn't know 620 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 2: what technique to use if we found ourselves in that 621 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 2: situation now that he's older, So yeah, it's. 622 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 5: A very important thing to do and now is the 623 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 5: best time to book into one of those classes. It's 624 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 5: one of the things you think I've got to do it, 625 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 5: but life happens, everything else comes up and you go, yep, yep, 626 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 5: I know I've got to do it, but now's the 627 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 5: best time. You won't regret three hours going and learning 628 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 5: and knowing what to do in an emergency. 629 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 3: This is so wonderful, Sarah. Have you just got like 630 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 3: a few practical safety reminders that you'd like to leave 631 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 3: leave the listeners with today? Just more in general? 632 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 5: Absolutely so. First of all, your child will look to 633 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 5: you in an emergency, so being able to stay calm 634 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 5: even if you are falling apart on the inside is 635 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 5: so important because you're the grown up and they are 636 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 5: looking to you, so know what to do. Secondly, there's 637 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 5: so much help out there. You're not alone. You don't 638 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 5: need to go on to doctor Google. We have these 639 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 5: fantastic health advice lines here in Australia one eight hundred 640 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 5: Medicare Health Direct jump online if you are ever unsure. 641 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 5: And I guess the other thing is too, is that 642 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 5: you know what, we can't wrap our kids up in 643 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 5: cotton wool. They've got to get out there, they've got 644 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 5: to explore the world. We just need to know how 645 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 5: to patch them up afterwards. 646 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good point. Be prepared. Thirteen eleven, 647 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 2: twenty six. Sarah, that is so helpful. Thank you so 648 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 2: much for your time today. It's a reminder for a 649 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 2: lot of parents the importance of safety and what to 650 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 2: do and the importance of not panicking. But the only 651 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 2: reason why you won't panick is because you're prepared and 652 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 2: you have an understanding of what to do in a 653 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 2: given situation. Thank you for that reminder, Sarah. Thank you 654 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 2: for those wonderful, helpful tips, and thank you for coming 655 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 2: on wiggle Talk. 656 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 5: Thank you for letting me come on and talk about 657 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 5: something that I love. 658 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 2: Thanks so much to Rod Bulding from Standards Australia and 659 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 2: Sarah Hunstead from CPR Kids for joining us today. We 660 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,959 Speaker 2: hope this conversation has given you a clear understanding of 661 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 2: button battery safety, children's toy safety and what to do 662 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 2: if something goes wrong. 663 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 3: And just to remind you again that there is a 664 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 3: recall in place for the yellow Emma style light up 665 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 3: bows that we mentioned at the start of the episode. 666 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 3: If you have one of these, please head to the 667 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 3: Wiggles dot Com forward slash recall for instructions on how 668 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 3: to return it and to get a full refund. 669 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 2: But we're also continuing to take steps to make sure 670 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 2: Wiggles products meet all the right requirements and to help 671 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 2: families better understand button, battery and toy safety. So thanks 672 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 2: for listening to wiggle Talk Ah Bye. It's a podcast 673 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 2: of parents. Look it is, see you out everyone for bye.