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Speaker 2: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Friday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty ninth of March. I'm Emma Gillespie. I'm the

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Speaker 2: editor of the Daily OS.

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Speaker 1: I'm Lucy Tassel, I'm the fact checker.

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Speaker 2: That's right, a different cast today, where the cat's away

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Speaker 2: the mice will play. Happy good Friday, A good Friday indeed,

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Speaker 2: because we're here to talk about Beyonce's new album dropping today,

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Speaker 2: the twenty ninth of March, and Lucy, you're joining me

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Speaker 2: to talk all things Beyonce's foray into country music, why

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Speaker 2: some country fans aren't as excited as we are about

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Speaker 2: the new album and what it all means and where

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Speaker 2: it's all come from. Yance has made history again or

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Speaker 2: for her new song Texas Hold'em the song his debut

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Speaker 3: And I just don't country music, beyoncew afied, I want

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Speaker 3: country music to go backwards, not forward.

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Speaker 1: That's right. M It's not just a good Friday, it's

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Speaker 1: the best Friday. But first, what's making headlines?

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Speaker 2: The Australian government has announced an inquiry into the nation's

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Speaker 2: live music industry will go ahead. It comes after Splendor

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Speaker 2: in the Grass confirmed the festival will not be going

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Speaker 2: It follows a series of music festival cancelations due to

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Speaker 2: high costs and low ticket sales. Chair of the Communications

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Speaker 2: considerable operational challenges, particularly after COVID. The inquiry we'll look

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Speaker 2: into what's preventing the industry from growing and the potential

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Speaker 1: Many young Australians and low income households are now spending

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Speaker 1: around a quarter of their income on groceries, according to

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Speaker 1: also found people are opting for frozen food over fresh produce.

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Speaker 1: The survey is part of the A Triple C's inquiry

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Speaker 2: Jetstar has announced it'll begin flights from Singapore directly to

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Speaker 2: Broom in Western Australia in an effort to encourage regional tourism.

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Speaker 2: The airline is expected to run two return flights per

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Speaker 2: week in a service supported by the WA government's Aviation Fund.

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Speaker 2: again in April twenty twenty five. WA Tourism Minister Rita

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Speaker 2: Safiotti said the new route offers an entirely new gateway

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Speaker 1: And in some good news, a sixty four year old

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Speaker 1: to Sydney unassisted. Dean Summers swam for over thirty one hours,

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Speaker 1: enduring stings from swarms of blue bottled jellyfish. Newcastle is

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Speaker 1: about one hundred and seventy k's north of Sydney, or

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Speaker 1: aims to showcase our own coastal largely pristine waters.

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Speaker 2: Now any opportunity to talk about pop culture, but stay

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Speaker 2: with us. We promise there is a smart take on

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Speaker 2: this one today, very smart. Last month, Beyonce dropped to

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Speaker 1: Saints Texas hold them as are cut down, Down Down Now.

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Speaker 2: And sixteen carriages.

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Speaker 3: Sixteen characters driving away dreams.

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Speaker 1: Or two great songs. We loved them. But fast forward

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks and Beyonce ended up saying she

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Speaker 1: you're beginning to make country music. Where could this have

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Speaker 2: We're going to get into how we got to a

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Speaker 2: But first I wanted to touch on this relationship between

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Speaker 1: Well, we've seen Miss Taylor Swift move towards pop around

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Speaker 2: But back to Beyonce Lucy, who, as you mentioned, has

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Speaker 2: it means in its identity. The title of this new album,

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Speaker 2: whoever she is to you, the undisputed FACTSA. She reigns

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Speaker 2: from Houston, Texas, a state in America's South where country

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Speaker 1: Right and yet people were surprised.

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Speaker 3: Only eight of the one hundred and fifty stations that

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Speaker 1: The lefties in the entertainment industry just won't leave any

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Speaker 2: it's opened up a bigger conversation about this political identity

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Speaker 1: Well, you wouldn't necessarily know that this is true were

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Speaker 1: you to look at a country chart. You know, if

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Speaker 1: There's one really amazing black country artist that I can

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Speaker 1: When you think of country music, what kind of instruments

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking banjos, fiddles, maybe even a violin, strings, stomping barns.

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Speaker 1: Well, the banjo was actually developed by enslaved people in

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Speaker 1: All of these people have their own musical traditions and

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Speaker 2: How do we get from the idea of country music

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Speaker 1: I want to shout out an article I read. It's

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Speaker 1: Texas Hold'em Wow So good trivia, great trivia, great person.

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Speaker 1: So she draws this connection in this article between the

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking about the history and the story of someone

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean the story of rock and roll is

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, it's an incredibly country song. But a

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Speaker 2: She actually performed that song Daddy Lessons at the Country

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Speaker 2: So she basically came out and said, I'm not proud

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Speaker 1: So interestingly, last week, in a post promoting Cowboy Carter,

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Speaker 1: So people have read this. Certainly, I read this as

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Speaker 2: The track listers you mentioned Beyonce dropped in advance of

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Speaker 1: Well, yes, I mean there was a track called Joline,

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Speaker 1: So frankly, if one of country music's greatest ever songwriters

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Speaker 2: Well, Lucy, I'm sure the listeners are unclear about how

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