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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken, the podcast It's not afraid to say

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Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking.

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Speaker 2: Our names are.

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Speaker 1: Amy Kate and Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we

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Speaker 1: often don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated.

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Speaker 1: Outspoken covers all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues

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Speaker 1: facing women. That is so fetch Thank you, Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to another episode of Outspoken. Now today is just Amy

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Speaker 1: and me because Sophie is just too busy for us

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Speaker 1: at the moment.

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Speaker 2: She is.

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Speaker 1: She's totally snubbed us. Not that we sound sour about

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Speaker 1: it at all. Yeah, She's had a social event on

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Speaker 1: every weekday, which is very unlike us. So last night

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Speaker 1: she was at the Port Best and Fairest. Tonight she's

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Speaker 1: at a birthday dinner, so we thought we would, you know,

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Speaker 1: just get it done without her. Now, Amy, you have

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Speaker 1: quite a funny story for us, don't you. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: on the weekend, I went out for breakfast and I

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Speaker 1: was in a bit of a hurry because I had

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Speaker 1: was a house that I was quite serious about. I

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Speaker 1: returned to my car and there were two cars blocking

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Speaker 1: me into the car park, and I was fuming. I

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Speaker 1: was just like, what am I supposed to do in

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Speaker 1: but then I thought, how am I meant to know

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Speaker 1: where these people have gone? So thanks, just keep the car,

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, and there were no notes or anything like.

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Speaker 1: There was no note on my car. So thankfully Sophie

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Speaker 1: auction and anyway missed out on this house. I ended

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Speaker 1: up checking out a few more houses with my mum,

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Speaker 1: which was hilarious, and then she ended up dropping me

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Speaker 1: back at the car park to get my car. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: so we returned about two hours later to find that

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Speaker 1: And she's not somebody who gets angry pretty easily, but

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Speaker 1: I think anytime you wrong one of us, our mum

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Speaker 1: Red Ross, like yeah, friends, Yeah. So she ended up

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Speaker 1: I spotted a girl and asked her if she knew

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Speaker 1: begrudgingly moved their cars. There was barely an apology, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think that would have gone down too well

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Speaker 1: to the point where they ended up locking the doors

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Speaker 1: to come in there. And I just thought good on her,

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Speaker 1: because I just didn't have the guts to say anything.

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Speaker 1: It was just too awkward and I just wanted to leave.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like moms just go that extra mile

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Speaker 1: for their children.

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Speaker 1: Well, the best bit was that she didn't stop there.

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Speaker 1: She actually followed up in a restaurant with a phone

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Speaker 1: call complaining about it. I think she was trying to like,

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Speaker 1: maybe get a free meal for you. Yeah, well she

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Speaker 2: Probably spitting it after what went on. But do you kay.

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Speaker 1: I've never parked someone in, but I assume like there

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Speaker 1: So I'm assuming that a lot of people get parked

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Speaker 1: least leave a note on the car, being like, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm just working in this restaurant. Give me a call

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Speaker 1: if you need me to move my car. I want

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Speaker 1: to know in our Facebook community if anybody has ever

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Speaker 1: you going to move the car? No, I'm not going

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Speaker 2: Not put it in the garaine.

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Speaker 1: I love putting it in the garage.

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Speaker 1: Mummy blogger The Midwife Mama has accidentally revealed her Instagram paycheck.

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Speaker 1: Super Sleuth spotted a whiteboard in the background of her

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Speaker 1: Insta story that listed her collaborations, including payment. Firstly, Kate,

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Speaker 1: I actually haven't heard of this mummy blogger? Who is

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Speaker 1: the Midwife Mama? Yeah, I can't say I follow her either.

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Speaker 1: So her real name is a mere Leah Lamond and,

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Speaker 1: as her Insta handle suggests, she's a midwife and mum

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Speaker 1: to three children, Alfie, Essi and Coco. Now. On her website,

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Speaker 1: she offers a range of services for mums and mums

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Speaker 1: to be, including a pregnancy guide, birthing classes, and she's

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Speaker 1: even got an online baby store called Ziggi Booboo.

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Speaker 1: That show called honey Booboo? Yeah, it sounds like honey Baby.

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Speaker 1: It's actually kind of a cool name. Well anyway, so

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Speaker 1: she's got ninety three thousand followers, so she's quite big

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Speaker 1: in the mummy blogging space. So now that we know

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Speaker 1: who she is, can you talk us through what actually

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Speaker 1: Well, there's a new account on the scene that's holding

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Speaker 1: influences to account and it's called Influencers in Trouble and

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Speaker 1: the account shared a screenshot of an alleged exchange between

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Speaker 1: Amelia and a follower. So it all started when Amelia

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Speaker 1: shared a story of her daughter sleeping under a calming

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Speaker 1: blanket and Amelia tagged the brand, but she didn't specify

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Speaker 1: if it was an ad or gifted. Now, a follower

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Speaker 1: saw the story and DMed Amelia, saying, I don't get

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Speaker 1: it either way. You're going to say it worked well

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Speaker 1: anyway because they are paying you. Now, Amelia has responded

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Speaker 1: to this follower and said who says they are paying me,

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Speaker 1: t's and c's attached. Now, the follower hit back with

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Speaker 1: a screenshot of a whiteboard that appeared in the background

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Speaker 1: of one of Amelia's stories and wrote, you have a

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Speaker 1: list of all of your collaborations on the whiteboard with

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Speaker 1: the amount they are paying you. Oh my gosh. Now

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Speaker 1: taking a look at this list. It is entitled collabs

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Speaker 1: and there's about six brand names on there, including Calming

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Speaker 1: Blankets and Hallo Fresh. Well, the exchange didn't stop there.

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Speaker 1: The Influences in Trouble page also shared screenshots from another

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Speaker 1: alleged exchange between Amelia and a follower. So Allegedly, Amelia wrote,

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Speaker 1: I have never once not advised when something is not

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Speaker 1: a collaboration. Thirdly, after growing a business for six years,

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Speaker 1: Have message then went on to say, so, yes, guess

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Speaker 1: what I will promote Calming blankets not because I'm getting

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Speaker 1: Blankets are paying me, which I have to legally disclose

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Speaker 1: when I do my stories later on. Anyways, but guess

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Speaker 1: what The clothes I promoted today were gifted and I

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Speaker 1: guess what that's defamation? Good luck? Gosh, another influencer throwing

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Speaker 1: it's defamation If she's literally sharing a screenshot of what

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Speaker 1: the woman's written, you're not defaming anybody that's called fat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, we just thought we'd do a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a refresher about what the rules are when it comes

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Speaker 1: to sponsored posts, because we have done a few episodes

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Speaker 1: which will link in the show notes that really go

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Speaker 1: into detail. But essentially, content creators are obligated to disclose

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Speaker 1: when a commercial relationship exists, and this is meant to

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Speaker 1: disclosure is not just required when money changes hands. These days,

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Speaker 1: you actually have to also disclose if you've got a

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Speaker 1: gift or a free product or service, So in terms

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Speaker 1: influencer and the company must be clear. So there's actually

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Speaker 1: no set rules on what you have to write, but

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Speaker 1: there are some guidelines given so you can use certain

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Speaker 1: hashtags like ad or sponsored, you can write in the

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Speaker 1: and you can also verbally disclose the agreement in an

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Speaker 1: it's a partnership to Is it just me or does

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Speaker 1: it seem like these days consumers of social media content

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Speaker 1: the inflo themselves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so true, because there are so.

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Speaker 1: Many people jumping on board telling influencers that they're doing

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Speaker 1: the wrong thing, and these influencers don't seem to know

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Speaker 1: again they don't want to because they don't want to

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Speaker 1: Well, things got really awkward when Amelia jumped into the

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Speaker 2: She wrote, girls, you got it wrong.

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Speaker 1: It's actually twenty thousand for the Calming collab with the

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Speaker 1: monkey laughing face. Someone replied, then why didn't you stay

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Speaker 1: just like these influencers just are not helping themselves at all.

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Speaker 1: And I wonder how Calming Blankets feel about all of.

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Speaker 2: This as well.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'd be so pissed off because not only are

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Speaker 1: you disclosing how much you're being paid, but you're bringing

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Speaker 1: the company into question. Like she did say, oh how

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Speaker 1: great the blanker has been for her daughter, But then

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Speaker 1: it's really got murky around what her relationship is with

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Speaker 1: the company. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: it's got nothing to do with Calming Blanket. They haven't

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Speaker 1: taken responsibility to actually disclose that this is actually an ad. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But the thing with the ad disclosure is it actually

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Speaker 1: comes down to the company as well if they are

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Speaker 1: in partnership with her, so they can be penalized if

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Speaker 1: But from what I can gauge in this situation is

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Speaker 1: that she does have a paid partnership with Calming Blankets.

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Speaker 1: But that's coming up and I feel like she has

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Speaker 1: just shared an instant story with her daughter and she's

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Speaker 1: tagged Calming Blankets, but that's not part of the paid post.

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Speaker 1: But that's where it gets a little bit murky because

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Speaker 1: it's like, well, you are getting paid later for approved posts. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty similar to what happened with McDonald's and Cosey,

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Speaker 1: who's a bit of a South Australian icon. So basically

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Speaker 1: he's a radio host. He was also on the Biggest

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Speaker 1: Loser about fifteen years ago. You might remember him, and

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Speaker 1: partnership with McDonald's and he posted a photo of his

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Speaker 1: with big bags of McDonald's. Now, he didn't disclose that

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Speaker 1: Not asking for a lot. There with that you have

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Speaker 1: because you'd assume.

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Speaker 2: That they're going to be in your life.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like when, because I've been watching a

436
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,880
Speaker 1: lot of Royal Family documentaries, it's kind of like when

437
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,640
Speaker 1: all the workers go rogue and tell all of their

438
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 1: secrets because they're not being paid enough. I feel like

439
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: this is going to happen to influencers.

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00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 2: So the task Sarah.

441
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,199
Speaker 1: Outlined to our source were pretty full on for an

442
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,480
Speaker 1: unpaid position. Kate, do you want to hear what they included?

443
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,920
Speaker 1: I definitely do. I can guess I can guess some

444
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,639
Speaker 1: of the things that would have included. So it's picking

445
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 1: up errands from the post office, typical influencer behavior, running errands, emails,

446
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 1: Facebook management, Instagram, upkeep filming, assistant, sending invoices and organizing

447
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 1: Sarah's schedule. Her email also wanted to say that she's

448
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 1: looking for someone who has content creation skills, camera and

449
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,679
Speaker 1: photography basics, and that invoicing and accounting skills were a

450
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 1: bonus but not essential. So to me, this does sound

451
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 1: like a paid position. I definitely think this person deserved payment.

452
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 1: Considering how much influencers do make from their brand deals,

453
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: it seems quite unreasonable to expect that amount of work

454
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:58,199
Speaker 1: and flexibility from someone, oh definitely, And it sounded like

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00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 1: a full time workload. It said that she'd need this

456
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: person all day sometimes, and she'd need to be able

457
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Speaker 1: to call them after work hours and all of this

458
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 1: kind of thing. It sounded pretty full on. Well, I

459
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 1: feel like there are some legalities around unpaid work because

460
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 1: I know universities seem to be clamping down on businesses

461
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 1: that seem to want to exploit the internship programs. So

462
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: there are actually instances where work experience or unpaid internships

463
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 1: are actually lawful. And as you mentioned, Kate, this is

464
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Speaker 1: in instances where it's lined up by the university. So

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Speaker 1: the main thing is the person must not be doing

466
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Speaker 1: productive work, and the main benefit of the work experience

467
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: should be to the person who is actually doing the placement,

468
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: so they meant to be learning on the job and

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Speaker 1: getting experience, and it must be clear that the person

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Speaker 1: is receiving a meaningful learning experience, training, or skill or development. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and as if it is a part of a vocational placement,

472
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 1: it needs to be a formal part of education or

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Speaker 1: a training course in order to be lawfully unpaid, and

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00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: it does not seem like this job fits into those categories.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because I feel like there are so many

476
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 1: companies out there that do offer unpaid internships and it's

477
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: just this thing that people accept as young people because

478
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 1: they just want to get their foot in the door

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00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 1: anywhere and get experience on their resume. Yeah, but don't

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00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: you think it must be this thing as well where

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Speaker 1: a lot of influencers know that a lot of their

482
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 1: followers are in awe of them and that they just

483
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: want to be around them, so they'll do this free

484
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: work for them. Yeah. I think they're really intriguing. Part

485
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: of this story is that Sarah's friend Tanika is her

486
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Speaker 1: current PA, and it appears that she has been her

487
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Speaker 1: PA for quite a long time now, taking a look

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Speaker 1: at Tanika's LinkedIn, she says she's been working with Sarah

489
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 1: since May twenty sixteen, so this post looking for an

490
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: intern was shared on May twenty seventeen, so the dates

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00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: don't really add up. I think sometimes LinkedIn gets the

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Speaker 1: dates wrong. I think it might have been May twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: But what's really interesting is I was a bit of

494
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Speaker 1: a super sleuth and I was checking out Tanika's Instagram,

495
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: and she used to work as a flight attendant. However,

496
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: it only said on her Instagram that she stopped working

497
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: at Virgin in September twenty twenty, and that was due

498
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: to being made redundant because of COVID. So whether she

499
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: was balancing being Sarah's PA for half the time and

500
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 1: then a flight attendant for the other half, it's all

501
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: very odd. Yeah. Well, I've definitely seen vision of Tanika

502
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: in the office with Sarah and the team working, so

503
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: I just assumed it was on a full time basis.

504
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: But it does make sense that she would be able

505
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: to do her work as a flight attendant as well

506
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: as balance the PA role. I just think it's really

507
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 1: interesting to know whether that's how Tanika and Sarah became

508
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: friends through this unpaid arrangement, or whether Sarah couldn't find

509
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 1: anyone that wanted to do the unpaid work and then

510
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: got her friend. That's where things are a little bit blurry. Yeah, Well,

511
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: it seemed like she was really up for making friends

512
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: in the Healthy rig group, so maybe Tanika was a

513
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:56,239
Speaker 1: member of that.

514
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: But there were some.

515
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 1: Pretty juicy tidbits also on earth on the healthy Riggs

516
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: facebook page. Okay, you've got to run us through some

517
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: of them, because this kind of made me feel awkward

518
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: because I was like, oh my god, it's the awful

519
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: moment where you forget what.

520
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: You've written online.

521
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: Well, I was surprised that she was writing these kind

522
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: of stuff in this Facebook group because she has had

523
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 1: a big following for quite a few years, and some

524
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,479
Speaker 1: of these posts dated back to twenty eighteen. So one

525
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: of the posts that I found really funny was on

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00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: January eighteenth, twenty fifteen, Sarah wrote does anyone have the

527
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: new k le Estinus BBG two point zero guide? Now?

528
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: It appears she was looking for a free link to

529
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: download this guide, which is quite hilarious considering she now

530
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: sells her own fitness ebooks now that are quite expensive

531
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: So someone replied to Sarah on the post and says,

532
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: scroll down a bit because another girl just asked the

533
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: same question, and Sarah replied that was just the fitness ebook,

534
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: though I want the clean eating one, but it's so expensive.

535
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 2: Look, she's got a point.

536
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: It was quite ironic. She's had a point. I remember

537
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: back in twenty fifteen and every one was just passing

538
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: around the link to Paul Kaylor's hooks. It was so expensive.

539
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: Who didn't download that for free? I actually I remember

540
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: paying for her food Guide because I wanted some vegetarian recipes,

541
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: but that was after I interviewed her, so I felt

542
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: like I couldn't. Yeah, just see I got a free

543
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: link for the first one a few times. There was

544
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: another post in February of twenty eighteen and she wrote, Okay,

545
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: so this is random, but what ebbs, I'm advertising on

546
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: air tasker for someone to come to my apartment after lunch,

547
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: clean it, do some laundry, and help one pack my

548
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: luggage from a trip. I'm in Crinulla. So if anyone's

549
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: a boss babe cleaner with a knack for organization and

550
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: wants one hundred dollars cash in hand, then please help

551
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: a sister out needs to be available after one pm,

552
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: working roughly one pm to four pm. This one cracked

553
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: me up because Sarah's date really does promote herself as

554
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: being a domestic princess, as she calls it, and the

555
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: fact that she publicly reached out for someone to help

556
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: unpack her her luggage. I think we've all been there.

557
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 1: It is literally the worst job to do to come

558
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: back from a trip. But how trusting is she because

559
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen she was huge, and you've got someone

560
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: unpacking your luggage.

561
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 2: I'm gleen for someone.

562
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: I would hate for someone to go through my luggage

563
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: and unpack it, like this is all of your dirty

564
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: undies and stuff in there. I was surprised that it

565
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: was only one hundred dollars cash in hand, because for

566
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: three hours, that's not really that attractive. Yeah, well maybe

567
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: they would get a rock up and it was just

568
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,239
Speaker 1: going to be Actually, this is a free position if

569
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: you want to go through my bag. Well, this last

570
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: post that we're going to read out particularly cracked me

571
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: up to because it just seems to kind of go

572
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: against her online image that she's presenting. Because a lot

573
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: of people will know that Sarah's Day really built her

574
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: brand on her skincare because she had really bad hormonal

575
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: acne that she claims she managed to cure using holistic methods.

576
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: Now on the twenty ninth of November twenty sixteen, Sarah wrote,

577
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: a month worth of sleepovers at the man friend's house

578
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: has left my skin absolutely rank. My breakouts are definitely

579
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: due to my laziness and not washing my face in

580
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: his gross bachelor pad sink, does anyone know of any

581
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: good and not too expensive facials in Miranda? I want

582
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: to go now, poor Kurt, he's always getting bag for

583
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: that bachelor pad? Is it?

584
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: I know?

585
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: I just thought it was hilarious because she's often promoting

586
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: so many skincare companies, it's just so relatable to be like, Oh,

587
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: I actually couldn't be stuff to remove my makeup for

588
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: a month. Yeah, I actually like this twenty sixteen Sarah's Day.

589
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: That's just been real and raw and honest, saying she

590
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: can't be stuffed to wash her face. Kay, on the

591
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: topic of old messages surfacing, I feel quite lucky that

592
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: where in our early thirties, because I feel like back

593
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: in the day, you would go and have these conversations

594
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: with strangers on a forum where it wouldn't actually have

595
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: your name attached to it. Yeah, because I'm trying to

596
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: think kaya forum back. Oh day, God, if you're hopefully

597
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: that's gone, because I was gonna say, can you imagine

598
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: some of the embarrassing cringe stuff you said on that

599
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: forum and it being like servicing now, Oh my gosh.

600
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: I found my MySpace page probably like six years ago now,

601
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: and I was horrified, like not because there were offensive

602
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: comments on it, but I had like Dean Guya on

603
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: the background, and it was just that I actually I

604
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: remember I found my MySpace page and I couldn't remember

605
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: the password, and so the only way you could remove

606
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: it is if you sent through a picture of you

607
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: holding your passport or a driver's license to say that

608
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: you wanted it removed.

609
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: Or I think this is what Sophie did.

610
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: She actually got mum to write an email because apparently

611
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: if you were someone's parent, you could also get it removed. See.

612
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: I think I just reported mine and it's got moved.

613
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: I hope it's gone. You said, you sit up, give

614
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: it up, normal out on your behind, My my my,

615
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: I for Balla. On Thursday, Mia for Volet announced she

616
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: had split from her partner Western Bulldogs footballer Jamara ugle Hagen.

617
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: On her Instagram's story, Mia wrote, thank you to everyone

618
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: for all the photos and messages. Jamara and I have

619
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: now gone our separate ways. I appreciate your messages and

620
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: thank you for respecting my privacy. The timing of this

621
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: was very intriguing because I found this out just when

622
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: I had finished listening to Shameless's episode on Thursday. Now,

623
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: for those who didn't listen to the episode, Shameless had

624
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: a male bag question sent in from an anonymous person

625
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: saying wanting advice about what they should do because they

626
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: had seen a photo of an influencer's boyfriend kissing someone

627
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: else and they were wondering should they reach out and

628
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: tell the influencer or should they stay out of it?

629
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,959
Speaker 1: And the Shameless girls didn't name who the influencer was,

630
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: but Mia is a very big influencer in Melbourne, where

631
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: Shameless record their podcast and are based. So it did

632
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: make me think that these stories connected somehow. So what

633
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: was their advice? Did they say that you should tell

634
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: the influencer? No, they were very much of the opinion

635
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: that they should keep it to themselves because how sure

636
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: can you be Well, there was some sort of discrepancies

637
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: around how one hundred percent certain they were that it

638
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: was this influencer and the person it's sent in, saying

639
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 1: that they would want to remain anonymous and do it

640
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: in some kind of burner account. So Michelle and Zara

641
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: were saying, well, if you're not happy to put your

642
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: own name to it, I would suggest not doing it,

643
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: and that if the photo is circulating, then it's most

644
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: likely being sent to the influencer already or a family member. Well,

645
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: it seems like it's quite likely they were talking about

646
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: Mia because she's gone on to remove all the photos

647
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: on her Instagram account of her and Jamara together, and

648
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: there's been lots of instant stories of Jamara and the

649
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: Bulldogs players partying in Perth surrounded by women, and this

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Speaker 1: is of course after the Bulldog's loss at the Grand

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Speaker 1: Final last weekend. Well, we were joking around that we

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Speaker 1: would not like to be any of the partners of

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Speaker 1: these players because Victoria is in lockdown and the players

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Speaker 1: have escaped to Western Australia where they can go and

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Speaker 1: party and do all their mad Mondays, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of them were interviewed after the game and they're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: so when are you going back to Melbourne? And they

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Speaker 1: were acting as if it's just sort of like this

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Speaker 1: open ended thing, like a lot of them didn't know

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Speaker 1: when they were going home. I would be so pissed off.

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Speaker 1: I'd be like, just come home. This is ridiculous. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for today. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining us for another episode. And

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