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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to the Rise and Conquer Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Georgie Stevenson. I'm a lawyer and health coach,

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Speaker 1: social media influencer, wife and dog mum. On the Rise

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Speaker 1: and Conquer Podcast, we dive deep into all things mindset, habits, career, health,

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Speaker 1: relationships and more. This is a podcast for women who

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Speaker 1: want to rise up to be the best version of themselves,

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Speaker 1: who have big dreams in who are willing to put

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Speaker 1: in the work to get there. I want to bring

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Speaker 1: you the tools and actionable steps to feel confident in yourself,

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Speaker 1: inspired to take bold action, and motivated to conquer your goals.

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Speaker 1: Are you with me? Your friends, Let's rise and conquer. Hi, guys,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to the Rise and Conquer Podcast. Today

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Speaker 1: I have a very special guest view and her name

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Speaker 1: is Katherine Marslin. She is a naturopath, nutritionist and best

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Speaker 1: selling author. Eight years ago, Katherine founded Brisbane Natural Health,

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Speaker 1: Australia's first membership based holistic health clinic, where she works

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Speaker 1: with her team to help patients navigate their healing journey

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Speaker 1: so they can live a life they love. In twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: Katherine will be launching her audio documentary this shift so

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Speaker 1: she can share her knowledge and experience with a wider audience.

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Speaker 1: The Shift is a first of its kind, a carefully

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Speaker 1: curated audio documentary on gut health and cuts through the

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Speaker 1: murk of misinformation and gives listeners the absolute facts from

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Speaker 1: some of the most well known global experts on gut health. Today,

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Speaker 1: me and Katherine chat about all things gut health. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: she has so much information on that, and we also

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Speaker 1: touch on topics like how to deal with stress and harder,

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Speaker 1: look after your drenals, women's wellness, natural fertility, what to

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Speaker 1: do after you have a miscourage, plus other topics like

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Speaker 1: everyday superfoods that you can include in your diet, and

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Speaker 1: so much more. This episode was so informational, guys, and

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait to share it with you. Hi, Catherine,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Hi, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: No problem. We're so excited to talk to you today.

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Speaker 1: I was so excited just for the sheer fact of

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Speaker 1: so many interesting topics. But I feel like we're kind

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Speaker 1: of getting to know about these things, but I feel

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Speaker 1: like we can dive deep into them. There's so much

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Speaker 1: more for us to know. But before we get into that,

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Speaker 1: as I ask anyone on the show. What is something

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Speaker 1: that you are rising up and conquering this week? It

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Speaker 1: can be big or small.

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Speaker 2: There is so much this week, but I guess the

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Speaker 2: biggest thing is that I'm about to release an audio

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Speaker 2: documentary project called The Shift, which is a twelve episode

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Speaker 2: all around gut So I've just been working really hard

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Speaker 2: in the background to try and work on that. I

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Speaker 2: a digital program is something that's new for me. So

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to bring as many elements of that individualization

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Speaker 2: It's just a lot of work to do. That's all well.

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Speaker 1: For the audience who doesn't know you, can you just

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Speaker 1: give a really quick snapshot of who you are, what

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Speaker 2: So my name is Catherine Maslin. I'm a naturopath, nutritionist, author,

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Speaker 2: and I'm also the founding director of Shift, which is

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Speaker 2: a wellness business. So We have a physical clinic in

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Speaker 1: So we're going to get into a lot of juicy

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Speaker 2: stress is massive for so many of us, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: So I'll just quickly jump in there. So is that

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Speaker 1: So personally, how would you recommend someone deal with stress?

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Speaker 2: clotting works and it can interfere with miscarriage risk. So

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00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 2: that's what I would look at to that. The other

434
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 2: part of it is alcohol and coffee. So we know

435
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 2: from research that as little as two cups of coffee

436
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 2: a day is enough to increase your miscape risk, and

437
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 2: that's from both the mother or the father. And this

438
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 2: is even in the preconception period, so leading up to conception,

439
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 2: which is massive, isn't it, Because coffee is such a

440
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 2: normal thing and it's something that's so many of us

441
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,439
Speaker 2: are addicted to, and this really shocks a lot of

442
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 2: our fertility clients because they might have come in they've

443
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 2: had three or four miscarriages, and nobody's ever told them, hey,

444
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 2: you need to stop drinking coffee. But coffee is a

445
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 2: big one. Alcohol is a really big one for fertility

446
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 2: and miscarriage as well. And it's sort of two folds

447
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 2: because it is a bit of a toxicon and depending

448
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 2: on the dose obviously as to how bad that's going

449
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 2: to be. But the other thing is, I think people

450
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 2: don't realize alcohol depletes nearly every single nutrient in your body.

451
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 2: It smashes your vitamin C, your B vitamins, your magnesium,

452
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 2: your zinc. So if you're drinking alcohol regularly, and it

453
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 2: might not even be that much, it might be a

454
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,679
Speaker 2: couple of glasses a day, it's enough to actually reduce

455
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 2: those nutrient levels and to put you into toxicity. So

456
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 2: we say for fertility, one of the very best things

457
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: that both partners can do, the mum and the dad,

458
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 2: is to act like you're already pregnant. So if you

459
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 2: were already pregnant, you wouldn't be drinking alcohol. You'd be

460
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 2: trying to eat a bit cleaner, you know, looking after yourself,

461
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 2: going to bed early, you know, doing all those good

462
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 2: things to try and help that baby to grow. The

463
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 2: challenge comes in just understanding people's journeys. A lot of

464
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 2: people have been on this fertility journey for years and

465
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,479
Speaker 2: other people are quite new. But I would say if

466
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 2: you're quite new and it's something that you're wanting to do,

467
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: like doing a good three or four months of preconception

468
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: care where you're eating really clean, looking after yourself. You know,

469
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 2: lots of plant based foods in the diet, with lots

470
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 2: of greens and reds and yellows and purples, is going

471
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: to be a really good way to go.

472
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Speaker 1: And this is just for my information. I was just wondering, So,

473
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: if you're trying to get pregnant, what do you recommend

474
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: in regards to workouts exercise sort of thing.

475
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 2: So if you're only trying to get pregnant, do whatever

476
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 2: you love. The only thing that can be a little

477
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 2: bit problematic with fertility is if people are doing hit

478
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 2: or high intensity workout stuff or CrossFit stuff, just because

479
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 2: it's really intense and it burns a lot of calories.

480
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 2: And also depending on the type of exercise, it could

481
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 2: increase your body temperature around the wrong time, which could

482
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,479
Speaker 2: interfere with implantation, or it could put sort of like

483
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 2: pressure or take the blood away from the uterus at

484
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: the wrong time of the month. So if you can

485
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 2: imagine anyone who's ever done a HIT class, we feel

486
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: like you're going to die afterwards. All of that blood

487
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 2: flow and energy is it's in your brain, it's in

488
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 2: your muscles. Yeah, it's all directed from the internal organs.

489
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 2: So we want to make sure with pregnancy that we've

490
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: got blood flow. But conversely, exercise will improve blood flow

491
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: to the organs. But there is a bit of a

492
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: fine line. We have had a lot of patients and

493
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: I know you mentioned this in your history a bit

494
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: Georgie with over exercising and orthorexia type stuff. So too

495
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 2: much exercise, too much of a good thing. And it's

496
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 2: not an educational thing. It's a self love thing and

497
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 2: it's around people really understanding, well, what does my body

498
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 2: actually need. So we say that it becomes unhealthy when

499
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: you can't do it. So if something comes up in

500
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 2: your life and you're like, well, no, no I can't because

501
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 2: I have to exercise, and that's when you know you

502
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: need to really question what's going on with that. So

503
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 2: we want to definitely move our bodies for fertility, but

504
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 2: we want to do it in a way that's healthy

505
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 2: for us and that might present in someone really differently.

506
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 2: But the big thing is you want to have you know,

507
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 2: when you're doing any sort of movement, you here to

508
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 2: do something that you love. You know, if you're doing

509
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: something and it's making you really stressed and unhappy and

510
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,239
Speaker 2: you're not looking forward to it, then maybe you need

511
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: to try and choose something else. There's lots of options.

512
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I love that. That's perfect. And one last question,

513
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: what is your sort of view on how much you

514
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: should be eating? Sort of at the start of pregnancy

515
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: and when you're thinking about getting pregnant.

516
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: Your calorie intake and the amount of food shouldn't change,

517
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: But it's the nutrient density of the food. So I'll

518
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 2: give you an example. You might, for instance, for lunch,

519
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: be having something like a curry with some rice, right,

520
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 2: and you've got that meal and it's fifty percent white

521
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 2: rice or jasmine rice, and then you've got curry with

522
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 2: a few veggies. You know, you could easily switch out

523
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: that rice to the quemoa, really up the veggies in there,

524
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 2: reduce the meat in there. And put some fresh herbs

525
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: on there, and all of a sudden, you have the

526
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: same amount of calories, but you've got thirty percent more nutrients.

527
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 2: So it's looking at just how can we have some

528
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: of these foods that we know as and not necessarily superfoods,

529
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: but your every day superfood. So definitely cacalchia, you can

530
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 2: go for that, but every day superfoods I would call

531
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: things like broccoli quen onie, holliflower spinach is a fantastic

532
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 2: every day superfood. You know, all of these foods that

533
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: are sort of commonplace, but they're really quite nutrient dense.

534
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 2: The other nutrient dense food that I recommend preconceptionally for

535
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 2: hormones is nuts and seeds because they're really high in minerals,

536
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 2: but they're also really high in good fats as well.

537
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 2: I love that.

538
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: So really just looking after your body, practicing self love,

539
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: and making sure you're eating you know, healthy foods, nutritious foods,

540
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: basically like what you should be doing anyway, Yeah.

541
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: Exactly, And I think it gives us a good opportunity

542
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 2: to clean up our act a little bit. Okay, well,

543
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: because you're going to grow another human, so it's not

544
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 2: just about you anymore. So getting ready to have a

545
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 2: baby is a really good motivation, I think to just

546
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: step things up a little bit, maybe to look at

547
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 2: some of your emotional stuff that might cause you not

548
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: to be in that state of self love or look

549
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: after yourself. And this is where we look at, you know,

550
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: emotional eating or eating what you know you shouldn't because

551
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: it's bad for you. It's not often because you don't

552
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: know what you're doing. It's because there's an emotional trigger

553
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 2: behind that. So it's a good opportunity to just begin

554
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 2: to look at yourself a little bit more and be

555
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: honest with yourself and go, Okay, well, why is this

556
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: behavior really happening for me right now?

557
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: Being like more self aware, yeah, one hundred percent. So

558
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 1: I want to switch gears again. And I know you're

559
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: a bit of an expert on gut health. I personally

560
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 1: have gone through a couple of journeys with gut health.

561
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: When I was telling you previously about being in that

562
00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 1: state where I was overtraining and then under eating and

563
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,239
Speaker 1: very stressful lifestyle, I went through a period where I

564
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: was becoming too intolerant. I was becoming intolerant to like

565
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: every food I was eating, and I swear I was

566
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: having like a reaction to everything, and that sort of

567
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: went away after I started taking care of myself more.

568
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: But then also I recently went through another sort of

569
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: period where I did see a natural path and we

570
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: kind of got it down to I can't remember if

571
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: it was not cebow, it's like the lower intestine one dyspiosis. Yeah,

572
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: so I just had to cut out some foods and

573
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: sort of take some stuff and that cleared up. But

574
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: gut health is just so interesting because I feel like

575
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: everyone it's we're more aware, but I still feel very like,

576
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: not very knowledgeable about it. So let's get into that.

577
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: Talk us through what are some of like the major

578
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: breakthroughs that we are seeing in regards to gut health.

579
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: Oh, I love this. I love talking gut health. I

580
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: actually just gave a talk at south Bank on the

581
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: weekend about digestive health, but just for context, I mentioned

582
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: the audio documentary podcast I'm doing. So for the last

583
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: three months, I've been flying around and interviewing twenty four

584
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: of the world's experts on gut health. So I feel

585
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: like I'm pretty up with where things are at with it.

586
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: And from that, where you're creating about ten hours of

587
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: content all around gut health. So it's pretty massive. There's

588
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: so many pieces to it. So the first one I

589
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: think if we look at things basically and then we'll

590
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: talk about the microbiome, which is a bit more of

591
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 2: the new exciting stuff that's going on, is that your

592
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: gut is a window to the world and it's how

593
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: we digest everything and it's how we assimilate that. So

594
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: any disruptions to the gut means that you have disruptions

595
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: to multiple systems of the body because you've become deficient

596
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: in nutrients that are essential for multiple systems of the body.

597
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: So we know that there's always been this gut connection

598
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: with the rest of the body, and natropathically, we would

599
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: always say that all disease begins in the gut, and

600
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: that's hyppo hip hipper, but hyppocratic saying.

601
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: What are used to me mispronouncing like every word possibles.

602
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: So that's a hippocratic saying, is that all disease begins

603
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: in the gut. So we know that there's a gut

604
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: brain connection. For instance, so I mentioned that when we're stressed,

605
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: it actually affects our gut, and one of the ways

606
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: in which it does that is the little pumps that

607
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 2: produce acid in your stomach literally will stop producing acid

608
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: when you're stressed. That then means you eat a food,

609
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 2: it doesn't digest. It then goes into the intestine it

610
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: will ferment and cause bloating and indigestion and intolerance, etc.

611
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: So we have this huge gut brain connection. One of

612
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: the ways in which I make people realize this is

613
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: if you think of when you're nervous, where do you

614
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: feel it? So true, it's right in the gut right

615
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 2: and you can feel that physiological change from the effect

616
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: that that stress is having on you. So what happens

617
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: when we're in stress every day It affects the gut.

618
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 2: But also if our gut is unhealthy, it will affect

619
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 2: your nervous system, moods, and stress. Eighty percent of your

620
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: immune system is in your gut, so if you have

621
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: disruptions in your gut flora or issues with that, then

622
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: your immune function can really be problematic. We also know

623
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: that the gut and the intestinal permeability of the gut

624
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: will determine incidence of things like autoimmune disease. So leaky

625
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: gut is essentially where the intestinal membrane becomes a little

626
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: bit weak or why so a bit more like cheese cloth,

627
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: I guess, and then things can pass through into the

628
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: bloodstream and set off your immune system. So we know

629
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 2: that's associated, for instance, with things like hashimotos thyroiditis which

630
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: is really really common, and other autoimmune diseases. So we

631
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: need to look after our guts, super super super important.

632
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 2: We also metabolize hormones in our gut, so eighty percent

633
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: of your estrogen is actually metabolized through the gut as well,

634
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: so it's really important. Now we know that we need

635
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: to protect our gut and work on that, and there's

636
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 2: a number of ways in which we can do that.

637
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: The first one is just to make sure that we're

638
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: not eating food which are damaging to our gut and

639
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: to our gut barrier. And this is a challenging one

640
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: because this is the part where as a naturopath, when

641
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: you have someone with gut problems, you often are the

642
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: mean person that takes everything away. But the biggest ones

643
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: are gluten and dairy. And I want to talk about

644
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: gluten a little bit because I have always been pretty

645
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: anti gluten. So as a naturopath, there's something that I

646
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: take out of people's diet a lot. But since I

647
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: got back from the States, I am a lot more

648
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: strict with it, and to the point where even myself,

649
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: I'd probably eat it here or there, or go out

650
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: or have a burrito or whatever. And now I'm just

651
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: really put off by the fact of it because the

652
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: research now is suggesting that it's just so much more

653
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: than gut health. So what we know about gluten now

654
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: is that actually it causes neuroinflammation. So neuroinflammation is like

655
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: the easy way to think of it is like your

656
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: brain is on fire. So what happens is the gluten

657
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: affects the gut wall and you get molecules passing through

658
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: into the bloodstream. It crosses a thing called the blood

659
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: brain barrier, which essentially means it's allowed to get into

660
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: your brain, and then that causes this inflammation. So that

661
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: inflammation contributes to things like Alzheimer's and dementia, but also

662
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: anxiety and depression. It's massive, so humans don't actually have

663
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: the capacity to properly break down wheat, and as a

664
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: result of that, we eat it and then we have

665
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: all these byproducts and inflammatory things going on. So I

666
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: spoke to a neurologist called doctor David Perlmutter about this.

667
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: He's going to be on the shift. He has a

668
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: whole book about it called Brain Brain. I spoke to

669
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: a cardiologist called doctor William Davis on the effect of

670
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: wheat and diabetes incidents and heart disease incidents, and it

671
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: was huge, So to the effect where we hear a

672
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: lot about sugar, but I actually would say that wheat

673
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: is as bad as sugar, if not worse.

674
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: Wow.

675
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is a big statement. Yeah, it's a big statement.

676
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: Are you saying all wheat?

677
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? Or wheat, even organic wheat. And this is the thing,

678
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: there's varying levels of bad. If somebody eats whitebread three

679
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: times a day, it's definitely going to be not as

680
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: bad as someone having a little bit of sour dough

681
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: once a week. But essentially, all of the wheat that

682
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: we have on the earth is nothing like the wheat

683
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: we were eating even a few hundred years ago. It's

684
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 2: been quite modified. It just doesn't look taste or feel

685
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: like it used to. And humans we've never really meant

686
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: to eat large amounts of grains, so we haven't been

687
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: doing that for a very long time. But wheat is

688
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 2: one of the things I think that really underpins one

689
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: of the big reasons why we're so sick, and I

690
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: think it's twofold. I think that as the rise of

691
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: wheat and grains in the diet, we've had a reduction

692
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 2: in other foods that are just higher density. So if

693
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: I get somebody to go grain free, all of a sudden,

694
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: it cuts out rice, bread, you know, all of these

695
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 2: sort of more filling agents, and it means that they

696
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 2: have to replace that with something. And those replacement things

697
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: can be things like legumes or vegetables, et cetera that

698
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: are just more nutrient dense and help to prevent disease.

699
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 2: So gluten and the gut are not friends. And it's

700
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 2: good if you have any type of digestive symptom, any

701
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 2: type of immune problem, any type of history of Alzheimer's dementia,

702
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: history of diabetes, I would be avoiding gluten. And that's

703
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: the most of the population really there is. It's full on,

704
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: and it can be hard for people to digest as well,

705
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 2: because we've been brought up being told that whole grains

706
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: are okay, and that.

707
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: How lunch is at school, Like I was always I

708
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: had a sandwich and a whole bread and that was good.

709
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So it's changing a lot. The problem is

710
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: that with this type of research that's coming out, it

711
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 2: takes a very long time to get through to mainstream medical.

712
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 2: But the research is there. It's very easy to find online.

713
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 2: You can read the studies. But it's just that the

714
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 2: information we've been told for so long is just quite

715
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: wrong and it's difficult for that to change overnight. But

716
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: that's part of my mission is to really just give

717
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: give these people who were trailblazing in this area of

718
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: voice to do this.

719
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: I know you touched on it, but it took us through.

720
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: So what kind of happens when someone does eat gluten

721
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: or eat wheat, or eat grains that our body doesn't

722
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: know how to process, Like what's the sort of I

723
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: guess you chemical reaction or like what happens and then

724
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 1: how does that affect us.

725
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 2: There's a few different reactions that we know of, So

726
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 2: one of them is with insulin and blood sugar. So

727
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: we know that gluten or wheat in particular has a

728
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: high glycemic index than sugar. So if you eat a

729
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 2: piece of whole grain bread, it will increase your blood

730
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 2: sugar as much as or more than actually having sugar,

731
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: So there's that physiological effect. The other one is that

732
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: gluten it increases an enzyme called a zonulin on the

733
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: intestinal wall. So zoonuline is an enzyme that breaks down

734
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: the glue that holds the intestinal cells together. So more

735
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 2: zonulin equals more leakiga or intestinal permeability. So we know

736
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 2: from studies that every single puman that eats gluten will

737
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: have some increase in zonulin. So this is dependent of

738
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: if you're intolerant or not. And the other one is

739
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: that our bodies just aren't designed to break down the anylopectin,

740
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: which is the protein in the glue, and as a

741
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 2: result of that, it doesn't break down and it can

742
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 2: cause inflammation and just all kinds of issues with the gut.

743
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: So there's it's multi layered and it's really interesting, and

744
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: it's interesting because it's just such a successful, widespread food

745
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: that people eat every single day. But I mean, we

746
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 2: also have people are living longer than ever, but they're

747
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: sicker than ever as well, So it is something that

748
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: we need to be aware of and have a look.

749
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: The solution often isn't just switching to gluten free products,

750
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 2: because sometimes they can be like just as bad or worse.

751
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: And I'm talking gluten free bread, etc. Can be really

752
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: really processed, So you just got to be really careful

753
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: about that side of things. But as a general rule,

754
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 2: what I like to say is, if you're eating meals

755
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: with breads or pastas, you know what other meals at

756
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: those times, would you be okay with eating that just

757
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: don't include them? So if you're having, for instance, eggs

758
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: on toast for breakfast, would you be cool with doing like,

759
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: you know, just an omelet with some veggies in it,

760
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: or with a potato hash or Another really good hack

761
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 2: that I use for my patients is you can literally

762
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 2: cut off a piece of sweet potato, so say, like

763
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: you know, just a couple of centem is thick, and

764
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: you can put that in the toaster for like a

765
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: few minutes and toast it and you can literally just

766
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: eat it like that with your eggs.

767
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: It's all about sort of just getting a bit creative.

768
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also just not getting caught up in the

769
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: fear of it. The other thing to know about gluten

770
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: is it's highly addictive. People are addicted to this wheat

771
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: and gluten and it does set off the pleasure centers

772
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 2: in our brain, much like sugar is. So just be

773
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: knowing that it's not your fault. If it's hard to

774
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: give up this stuff, it's literally hardwired into your brain

775
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: to want it more and more.

776
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: What are the common side effects if your gut is

777
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 1: trying to tell you that it's not happy, and obviously

778
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: like the obvious ones, and maybe they're not so obvious ones.

779
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: Let's talk about what a healthy digestive system looks like,

780
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: because if we know that, then anything outside of that,

781
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: we can know. Your body's giving you clues to try

782
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: and tell you that something's wrong. So the way that

783
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: I look at it is that science and symptoms are

784
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: your body's language trying to tell you that they need help. Okay,

785
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: so a normal digestive system. So we'll talk about pooh

786
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 2: to begin with, because that's the most fun. We should

787
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: be pooing every day, so one or two bow movements

788
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 2: even every single day is considered healthy. And the bower

789
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: movement should be formed like a log, not loose, not sticky,

790
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: not dry, not difficult to pass, but really quite formed.

791
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: You should feel good after you do a pooh, So

792
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: a good thing that I asked. My patience is like

793
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 2: you should feel like that was a good pooh yeah,

794
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: like you should feel properly evacuated, like you did the

795
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 2: job well. Another part of it is looking at you

796
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: shouldn't really notice your food digesting, and you shouldn't really

797
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: feel anything. So you might eat and have a feeling

798
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: of satiety or fullness, but there shouldn't be any bloating

799
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 2: bloatings like one of the actually the most bothersome symptom

800
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 2: that people get and that they definitely report back to

801
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: us bloating indigestion. There should be no reflux or heartburn,

802
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: definitely no cramping. Wind and irregular bow movements are another

803
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: sign of this as well, where sometimes the bowers are

804
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: normal but then other times they're not. That can definitely

805
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: give clues that something's going wrong. But if you feel

806
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 2: blur or you feel oh, it doesn't sit well, then

807
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 2: your body's trying to tell you there's something not right,

808
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: and that could be caused by a food intolerance, gluten

809
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: and dairy being the two most common. Nine times out

810
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 2: of ten, that's what it'll be, but it can be

811
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 2: other foods. But it could also be caused by a

812
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: food that you're not necessarily intolerant to, but the bacteria

813
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 2: in your intestines are at the wrong levels, which then

814
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: actually cause you to react to it. So a good

815
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: example of that is if people are intolerant to legumes

816
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 2: and they eat the legumes, they get really bloated, and

817
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 2: it's just because they have their bacterial levels aren't right

818
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 2: and they can't digest that food very well.

819
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: That's so interesting and so also took us through the

820
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: side effects of I know you were talking about like

821
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: mental health, and I've heard a lot about like brain

822
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: fog and that sort of thing caused by the gut.

823
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: Is that like a real thing.

824
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, and gluten if that's a real symptom

825
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: for gluten as well, brain fog. But brain fog can

826
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 2: be because of gut issues food and tolerance. But thyroid

827
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: is another really big place, so I would look outside

828
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: of that too. But in regards to the brain gut,

829
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: the microbes in your gut, which there's two to three

830
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: kilos of bacteria and yeats and viruses living in your

831
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 2: digestive system, so two to three kilos it is massive,

832
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 2: And we call this the microbiome or microbiota. Some studies

833
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: will call and the gut. Bacteria really its job is

834
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 2: to regulate nearly everything in your body. So the cells

835
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: in those bacterial cells communicate with one another, they communicate

836
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 2: with your cells, They produce hormones, vitamins, they do all

837
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 2: kinds of amazing, amazing things for us. And one of

838
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 2: the things that they do is they manufacture serotonin. So

839
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 2: about eighty percent of your serotonin, which is one of

840
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 2: your major feel good neurotransmitters, is made in the gut, right,

841
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: So when we're looking at treating anxiety, depression and mood disorders,

842
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 2: we have to look to the gut because that's where

843
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: all of these actual neurotransmitters are being made. Also, your

844
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 2: gut will produce gabba, which is one of your calming neurotransmitters,

845
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: so it has a huge role in moods. And it's

846
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: also the thing is you know what comes first, the

847
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: chicken and the egg too. And it's interesting because I

848
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 2: was speaking to Dr Dianne Ryan, who's a PhD in

849
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: eating disorders and she works in Arizona in the US,

850
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: and she was actually talking about things like cebow and

851
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: bloating and intestinal problems in her clients that have been

852
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 2: through disordered eating or eating disorders in the past or

853
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: that type of thing as well, and showed that, you know,

854
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: this emotion that we have around food is massive external

855
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: of an eating disorder or not. Is we have a

856
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 2: lot of emotion around food, and when we begin to

857
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: get digestive symptoms, we become more emotional about food because

858
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: we think, Oh, if I eat this, am I going

859
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: to get bloaated? Am I going to feel like this?

860
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: Is this going to happen? Am I going to have

861
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: to run to the bathroom? And that is actually causing

862
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: more stress and putting you into flight or flight before

863
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 2: you've even put that food in your mouth, which then

864
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 2: continuees a problem. So we need to really acknowledge this

865
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 2: gut brain connection, but also this emotion that we have

866
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: to food, and it's not going to go away overnight.

867
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 2: But if you at least acknowledge actually there's quite a

868
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 2: bit of emotion and when it comes to food, we

869
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: can start trying to unpack that and find out, Okay,

870
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: well what are we looking at here?

871
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 1: Talk to us more about that in regards to unpacking that,

872
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: do you just sort of mean making sure you're not

873
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: stressed around meal times or you know, not sort of

874
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: being too crazy with what you eat, or yeah, it

875
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: took to us a little bit more about that, like

876
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: the emotional sort of side of it.

877
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: If you think about a time where you've had a

878
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: battle in your head over food. So say, for instance,

879
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: you're like out of the cafe and you've just had

880
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: a salad for lunch and you're like, I wouldn't mind

881
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: a piece of that cake, And the conversation goes something

882
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 2: like this, No, you shouldn't eat the cake because you know,

883
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 2: like it's really high sugar. Oh but I'd really like

884
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 2: it and it's only just a little bit. Oh no,

885
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 2: but you're going to be really bloated later. And we

886
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: literally have this rhetoric going on in our head all

887
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 2: of the time about everything in life, but particularly when

888
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: it comes to food. There's this internal battle that goes

889
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 2: on depending on our beliefs and what we're trying to

890
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: get done. So it's identifying that if we have a

891
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: struggle around food, what is it really about. So, for instance,

892
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 2: if we're really struggling not to eat crab food all

893
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 2: the time, so things like sugar is a really good example, cakes, chocolates, etc.

894
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 2: Are we using that as a mechanism to deal with

895
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: other stuff. So is it an emotional response where either

896
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: you're feeling really stressed or overwhelmed or just not good

897
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: about yourself and you're looking for that short term high

898
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: that it's giving you. And by unpacking that I mean

899
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: you need to be asking yourselves the right question and

900
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: potentially going to work with someone in the emotional wellness space.

901
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: I think that we all could benefit from having someone

902
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: on our support team that helps with emotional wellness. I know,

903
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 2: for myself, Georgie, for the last fifteen years, I've been

904
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: seeing people like this, and it might have been a

905
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: hypnotherapist or an energetic healer, or a counselor here or there,

906
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 2: or a kinesiologist, someone who's really helped me to look

907
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: at my stuff and make me identify why I do

908
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: what I do. If I have this behavior that doesn't

909
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: serve me, then how does that work? I guess A

910
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 2: good example for me is not more food can definitely

911
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: do it, chocolate definitely, but more around alcohol. So I

912
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: know that is one of the markers for me, is

913
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: that if I see a bit more alcohol creeping into

914
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 2: my diet, and this might be you know, some organic wine,

915
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: which is like yes, So healthy, but I might see

916
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: it creeping in. But it's my barometer to go, ooh,

917
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 2: what's going on for me here? Because I know that

918
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: I do that when I'm stressed or I'm not wanting

919
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: to deal with something yeah, or I'm not wanting to

920
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: feel something in that moment. So it's just thinking about

921
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 2: if you're using things like food, alcohol, coffee, whatever, it is,

922
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 2: what is it that you're not wanting to feel or

923
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 2: what is it that you're not wanting to really look

924
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 2: at right now? And that might be something you can

925
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: figure out on your own. You might be like, oh, yeah,

926
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: I definitely do that, or it might be something you're

927
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: just not aware of. So I think we need to

928
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: remember that ninety percent of our minds are subconscious and

929
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: only ten percent if that, are conscious, So often it's

930
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 2: not the things that we consciously know about to drive

931
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 2: these behaviors. It's something going on in the subconscious around

932
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 2: beliefs or how we feel about ourselves, or potentially, even

933
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: if we want to go a bit deeper with it,

934
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 2: it's looking at what traumas do we have or what

935
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: emotional wounds do we have that are sort of triggering

936
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: us to this behavior around food and this stress around food.

937
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. That's something I definitely for

938
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 1: years I would binge eat and overeat, and a lot

939
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: of that had to do was I just wasn't eating enough,

940
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: So it was like that sort of physical reaction when

941
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: I did start eating. But also something that I realized

942
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: is instantly when I was overwhelmed or stress, I would

943
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: turn to food. It was just like an instant thing.

944
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 1: But it took me so long to even like realize

945
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: that that was a thing. And I had to do

946
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: like a bit of work with a natural path and yeah,

947
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: I guess like work through the feelings.

948
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's something that we're always on

949
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: this journey working through, aren't we. Like, and I know

950
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 2: I'm the same, like I've worked through some of this stuff,

951
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: but it's always something that's sort of there in the

952
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: background where you need to catch yourself and go, oh,

953
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: hold on a minute, I'm falling into that behavior a

954
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: little bit there, and just not judging ourselves because of

955
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 2: it as well, but just knowing that we're humans and

956
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 2: there's a lot of emotion with that, and a lot

957
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: of these beliefs come right back from childhood, you know,

958
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: think of your earliest memories around food? What was it like?

959
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 2: Were you made to finish all of your dinner when

960
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: you had to? Did your grandma give you a lolli

961
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: or a chocolate as soon as you cried? Like, you know,

962
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 2: we've got this huge emotion around food where we actually

963
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: have used it in this maybe not so healthy way,

964
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 2: and that can really come through right through our lives.

965
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: And so you recommend seeing someone if you are dealing

966
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: with something like that.

967
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 2: I think everyone needs an emotional wellness support team. I mean,

968
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 2: I think everyone needs a support team as that is,

969
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: but particularly on the emotional wellness side, because it's sometimes

970
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 2: the things that we're so close to it that we

971
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: can't see it. And sometimes it helps somebody to unpack

972
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: that and ask you the few of the right questions

973
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 2: for you to go, oh, that makes sense. And sometimes

974
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: we'll get those realizations by listening to a podcast or

975
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: a book or you know, meeting somebody who tells you

976
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: a story. You know, it's just trying to find these

977
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: little insights about ourselves can really help for me personally,

978
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 2: and definitely for our clients. We find that having someone

979
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: on their support team for that can be really really beneficial.

980
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: Okay, so back to the gut help because we kind

981
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: of went off on a rent there, But can you

982
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: talk us through how does someone treat an unhealthy gut

983
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: so you know, maybe they've got these side effects happening.

984
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: What do you sort of recommend where to start what

985
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: they do?

986
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: The first one is like cutting out wheat and dairy

987
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 2: straight up, and that's because that's the easiest thing and

988
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: probably no matter what's going on for you, even if

989
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: you're not intolerant to those things, it will improve it

990
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: in some way and at least take the pressure off.

991
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: The other one is thinking about, like how did you

992
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 2: get there in the first place, So what's actually the

993
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 2: root cause of this? So this is where we really

994
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: need to consider the health of the microbiome. And you

995
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: spoke before about you know, maybe CBO or dys biosis,

996
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: and this is where the bacterial levels in the gut

997
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 2: are wrong, and this is a root of a lot

998
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 2: of our digestive problems. Sods biosis is caused by not

999
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: eating the right foods, not having enough fiber in the diet,

1000
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 2: and so too many processed foods. It could be from

1001
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 2: over alcohol use, definitely antibiotic use. So if you've had

1002
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: antibiotics at any point throughout your life, potentially your gut

1003
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 2: microbiome is altered. But particularly, and this is a question

1004
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: I ask patients a lot, is when you're a kid,

1005
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: were you sick much? Did you have your infections, tonsulitis,

1006
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 2: chest infections, asthma, you know, these type of things that

1007
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 2: would mean that they would just ended up being on

1008
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: antibiotics or being under medical care a little bit more often.

1009
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 2: If a woman has frequent urinary tract infections, you know,

1010
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: means that often the antibiotic load can be really high

1011
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 2: if someone's prone to sinus infections, because the more antibiotics

1012
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: that you've had, the more risk of dysbiosis and damage

1013
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 2: to the microbiome. The other really interesting one is that

1014
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 2: to what I learned on my travels was that antibiotics

1015
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: definitely were a big conversation, but a lot of other

1016
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 2: drugs actually can impair your microbiome and gut function. For women,

1017
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 2: the oral contraceptive pill is known to alter your microbiome,

1018
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: and that's a really huge one because so many of

1019
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 2: us have been on that at some point. And the

1020
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: other really big one is a drug class called nonsteroid

1021
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: or anti inflammatory drugs so insanes, and they are things

1022
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: like painkillers, so paracetamol, ibuprofen, et cetera. These drugs actually

1023
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 2: have been shown to impact on our microbiome. And it's

1024
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 2: not going to hurt you if you have a headache

1025
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: every few months kind of thing. But if people have

1026
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,919
Speaker 2: chronic headaches or chronic pain or period pain every month

1027
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 2: and tend to be going through if this is something

1028
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: that's on your shopping list relatively regularly, then that has

1029
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 2: the potential to damage the microbiome as well. You know,

1030
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: add that to chlorine in drinking water, which is antimicrobial,

1031
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: which means that when you drink it, the upper intestine's

1032
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: going to have that effect on it. There's a lot

1033
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: of different things that we need to have a look

1034
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: at as part of this picture, but the biggest ones,

1035
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: like if anyone with health got rid of wheat, dairy,

1036
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 2: and sugar and eight mindfully so chew their food properly,

1037
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 2: really slowed down with that, that would probably help in

1038
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 2: some sense. It's the severity of the problem and where

1039
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 2: it's originating, which will depend on how quickly people improve.

1040
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 2: For a lot of people, they'll do those few things,

1041
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 2: and you know, maybe tweak things a little bit, and

1042
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 2: they do really well. For other people who have sebo,

1043
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 2: sebo's really challenging to treat. Sometimes it takes a more

1044
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 2: of a more specific route. If they have significant dys biosis,

1045
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 2: if they have really low stomach acid, you know, or

1046
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: low enzyme capacity because they've been chronically stressed or you

1047
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 2: know that's been going on, it can take a little

1048
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: bit longer to repair. But the gut it will repair.

1049
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 2: You know, our bodies have an amazing capacity to heal itself,

1050
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 2: and the gut definitely does that. I mean, personally with me,

1051
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 2: I think that herbal medicine is amazing for gut. And

1052
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: if there's anything natropaths to do well, it is gut health.

1053
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 2: And the reason for that is because of herbal medicine. Definitely,

1054
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 2: there's nutrients you can use, but nothing beats herbs for

1055
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 2: gut because we have herbs that will help to quell bloating,

1056
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 2: increase acid, increase enzymes, balance acid, heal the gut, lining,

1057
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 2: stop cramping. You know, if you name it, there's a

1058
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 2: herbal medicine that's going to be good for that. But

1059
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: it's seeing somebody qualified and really looking into what's right

1060
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: for you. That's probably the best way to go down

1061
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: that pathway.

1062
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: Do you recommend with your clients about doing the elimination

1063
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 1: diet in regards to you know, taking obviously you said

1064
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: about the gluten and dairy that other foods out or

1065
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 1: is that not something you've got to recommend.

1066
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: I wouldn't recommend severely limiting your diet without advice because

1067
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 2: what can sometimes happen is if you don't know what

1068
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 2: to replace it with and you're not educated around that,

1069
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 2: you can end up cutting out big food groups and

1070
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: become quite nutrient deficiency. We see this a lot in

1071
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 2: our clinic where people might have gone keto and they

1072
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 2: haven't done it properly, or they've gone vegan and haven't

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Speaker 2: done it properly, or have been on things like fod

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Speaker 2: maps long term, and fod maps can be really good

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00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 2: short term to kind of take the pressure off, but

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Speaker 2: all of the fodmap foods are what your bacteria live on,

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Speaker 2: so by eliminating the long term it can actually have

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Speaker 2: implications on the microbiome. So it's just just being a

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Speaker 2: little bit smart about that and just you know, doing

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Speaker 2: what's right for you. But if you're eating a food

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Speaker 2: and it's affecting you. So say, outside it you get

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Speaker 2: rid of wheat and dairy, and you notice every time

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00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 2: I eat capsicums, this happens. You know, eliminate it for

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00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks and then bring it back in

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Speaker 2: and then see what happens. So you can definitely do that,

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Speaker 2: But I wouldn't be eliminating total whole food groups just

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Speaker 2: based on not having the right information. You know, the

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Speaker 2: body is quite complex, and I mean our ultimate aim

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Speaker 2: with our clients is to teach you how to understand

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Speaker 2: your body and bring back that intuition. But unfortunately a

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00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: lot of people are quite disconnected from that, and they

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00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: can end up just taking advice that might just be

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00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 2: a little bit too blanket and not quite specific enough

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00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 2: for them and end up in a worse place than

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Speaker 2: they started.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I couldn't agree more. Like one of the

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Speaker 1: best things that I ever did was see a natural path,

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Speaker 1: and I saw a natural path slash nutritionness. And because

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Speaker 1: there's so many things that you just don't know and

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Speaker 1: you don't think about. So I definitely recommend seeing a

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Speaker 1: professional when you have these sorts of issues, because I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like a lot of people like

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00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: live with these issues. They're like, oh, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: like I just get bloated, it's normal. Bit it's not

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Speaker 1: actually normal. And even though they might not be like

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Speaker 1: life threatening things, it's still important to address them.

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Speaker 2: I think that's spot on, and I think too people

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00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: if you seek help when you are imbalanced, when things

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00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 2: are mild, it's easy to fix. It's when you deal

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Speaker 2: with things for years and years and ignore it and

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00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 2: suppress it, that's when stuff can be harder to turn around.

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Speaker 2: So it's just knowing what's normal, what's healthy, what's not,

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Speaker 2: and listening to your body.

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Speaker 1: Really love that and just quickly back talking about the

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Speaker 1: gut health. Something that I picked up on, is is

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Speaker 1: it true with that I've heard with the microbion that

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Speaker 1: it's kind of good to eat a wide variety of

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Speaker 1: food because when you sort of don't eat something and

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Speaker 1: then you put it back in, it may affect your

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Speaker 1: stomach or like, is that kind of true?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you should be eating a wide range of

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00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: fibers and from that you need a wide range of

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Speaker 2: plant based foods. So this is where like a lot

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Speaker 2: of people may be lucky to eat fifteen a week

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Speaker 2: and some of the experts I who said you should

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Speaker 2: be eating fifty to one hundred different plants every week,

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Speaker 2: which is crazy, isn't it. You know? And that might

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Speaker 2: be a blend of nuts and seeds and quenoire and

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Speaker 2: buckwheed and brown rice and your veggies and your food, etc.

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Speaker 2: But it just goes to show how little variety we

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Speaker 2: have in our diets compared to what we used to do.

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Speaker 2: So definitely trying to mix it up. Try some veggies

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Speaker 2: that you don't normally eat would be a good way

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Speaker 2: to go.

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Speaker 1: Yes, love that. That's definitely something I'm trying to do lately,

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Speaker 1: is just eat a variety of foods because I'm that

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00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: person who wants, like I like something, I will just

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Speaker 1: go ham on it and want to eat nothing else. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much, Catherine. This has been such an

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Speaker 1: interesting conversation and I just want to let the audience

1141
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: know where they can find you. What's some new exciting

1142
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: things coming up and all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 2: So definitely the most exciting thing on the radar is

1144
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Speaker 2: the release of the Shift, which by the time this

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Speaker 2: is in your should be out definitely, But if they

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Speaker 2: go to the Shift clinic dot com, forward slash gut

1147
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 2: that's a good resource, or you can follow me on

1148
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Speaker 2: social media at Katherine Maslin k A t h E

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Speaker 2: r I n E m A s l e N.

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Speaker 2: You should be able to find me pretty easily through there.

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Speaker 2: So The Shift will be released in May, start of

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Speaker 2: May hopefully, and as well as that, you know, our

1153
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 2: digital product, which will be called Gut Shift, will be

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Speaker 2: out in May as well, So I'm really excited about that.

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Speaker 1: Amazing and I'll make sure I leave all the links

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Speaker 1: in the show notes for you guys, so make sure

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Speaker 1: you go and check that out. Well. Thank you so much, Katherine.

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Speaker 1: This has been amazing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you it's been a wonderful chat.

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