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Speaker 1: If you've been listening to the show in recent days,

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Speaker 1: what has come out of Alice Springs. We spoke yesterday

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Speaker 1: to the dad of the baby whose skull was fractured

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Speaker 1: in the home invasion last week. Now joining me on

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Speaker 1: the line is local member and independent for Aralu and

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Speaker 1: Robin Lamley. Good morning to you, Robin, Hello Katie, Robin,

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Speaker 1: lovely to have you on the show. How are things

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Speaker 1: going in Alice Springs over the last couple of days

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Speaker 1: following what can only be described as a horrendous week

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Speaker 2: Katie, I was just thinking about that. What does it

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Speaker 2: feel like in town and what are people thinking? And

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Speaker 2: it's hard to tell, Katie, it's just the impact of

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Speaker 2: what happened last week, last Wednesday, when that mother and

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Speaker 2: child were assaulted, that just took the win out of

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Speaker 2: everyone's sale. Everyone was as flat as attack, angry, distress, traumatize,

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Speaker 2: every word like that you can think of. A week later,

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Speaker 2: almost a week later, I think people are just really

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Speaker 2: tentative and it's been extremely hot here, Katie. That's the

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Speaker 2: weather context to what's happened. So we had a forty

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Speaker 2: of other factors coming into play. But I guess people

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Speaker 2: are also mindful that these problems are long standing and

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Speaker 2: So it's really just more of the saying that you

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Speaker 2: know that really shoved a sideways last week, Katie. It

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Speaker 1: It was horrifying, I think for everybody across the Northern Territory, Robin,

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Speaker 1: because you think to yourself, you know, when you've got

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Speaker 1: People are seriously scratching their heads, going things are absolutely broken.

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Speaker 2: And this is what we've all been talking about for years,

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Speaker 2: and this is what the new government hell band on changing,

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Speaker 2: this revolving door of bail and offending. So I think

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Speaker 2: You know, we're almost lucky that it doesn't happen more often.

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Speaker 1: People are people are quite perplexed and kind of and

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what the right word is anymore, Robin,

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Speaker 1: because we're all just we're well and truly over it.

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Speaker 1: But when something like that happens to a mum, and

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Speaker 2: Well, that's right, Katie. The Alice Springs community really stepped up,

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Speaker 2: putting pressure on the CLP. What are you doing you

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Speaker 2: promised this, that and the other, why having you delivered.

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Speaker 2: I'm still very mindful. And even before I was appointed

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Speaker 2: I think that is still very much the case.

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Speaker 1: Katie. Yeah, and you did say that you have been

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you've got a situation where a mother

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, they're great ideas, They're not most of them aren't

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Speaker 2: It's back to the future almost the use of sendling payments,

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Speaker 2: you know, the timing of sendling payments. You know, Katie,

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Speaker 2: when that changed, Katie, and the difference that made to

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Speaker 2: in some ways you could almost mark that as one

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Speaker 1: Well, So, Robin, by the sounds of it, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Well, I think they do. But I think I think

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Speaker 2: the best time, I would think. But look, you know,

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Speaker 2: big changes for the Northern territory if Dunton becomes the

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Speaker 2: conservative but totally accountable approaches to how we throw around

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Speaker 2: get them back to work, get them working for their dole,

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Speaker 2: whatever you like to call it. CDP. That was successful

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Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly right. It feels that way at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Changes. I look forward to big changes with a potential

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Speaker 2: change in federal government, and yeah, might at the end

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Speaker 2: of the tunnel, but it's going to take some time

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Speaker 2: and some courage on behalf of our leaders.

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Speaker 1: Robin, before I let you go, I mean, what do

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Speaker 1: you say to those people in Ellice Springs who who

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Speaker 1: are feeling like they're still being let down at this point?

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Speaker 1: You know, despite the change in government, those that are

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Speaker 1: that are really feeling like we'll hang on. I thought

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Speaker 1: that that more might have changed by this point with

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Speaker 1: the CLP and.

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Speaker 2: Power give them more time, give them, just cut them

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Speaker 2: a bit of slack, try and be a little bit

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Speaker 2: more rational about your expectations. But having said that, Katie,

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Speaker 2: if you've just been robbed or as if you're going

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Speaker 2: to be rational about anything, like, you know, it's it's

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Speaker 2: all very well for me to say that, But look

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Speaker 2: what I will say to people, particularly if they're listening

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Speaker 2: from Alice Springs and the other sort of areas around

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Speaker 2: the territory. If you're going away, make sure your house

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Speaker 2: is secure, get a house sitter, do everything you can

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Speaker 2: to make your home secure. And if you can't take

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Speaker 2: your precious things with you, because you know, the chances

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Speaker 2: of your getting broken into and having to bolt back

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Speaker 2: to town and clean up a mess and try and

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Speaker 2: to count for things that are stolen is very very high.

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Speaker 2: And that's the world we live in at the moment,

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Speaker 2: regardless of who's in government. That's just a reality of

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Speaker 2: life in Alice Springs and beyond and the other frustrated

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Speaker 2: saying to people, take your car keys to bed with you.

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Speaker 1: Oh goodness, yeah, but then what if someone bloody tries

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Speaker 1: to flog you in bed for them? That's the scary part, Robert.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, shove them in your undies or something.

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Speaker 1: Oh Robin, well, it is really good to speak to

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Speaker 1: you this morning. I really appreciate your time. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for all your time.

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Speaker 2: Throughout the year.

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Speaker 1: Have a lovely Christmas, and we'll talk to you again

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Speaker 1: in the new year. Thank you, thanks so much. Thanks Robin.