1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Question for you, Shoot, do you have any gray hair pubes? 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: I haven't inspected that closely, but not noticeably. We'll get 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 2: my wife down here and ask me. You're going gray. 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: You go on, Clooney, I've got gray hairs on my 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: ball sack. 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: Oh my god. I know you could honestly start calling 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 2: him Clooney now and be like, hey, babe, Colooney's here. 8 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Two Dirty Dads, Episode three. 9 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, episode three, Well, time's flying. 10 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: If anyone doesn't know, my name is Mattie Ja. This 11 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: is a conversation all about parenting, good, bad, relatable. If 12 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: you're coming for advice, I have to always say turn 13 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: back now, yeah, stop right now. We may be two 14 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: doting dads, but we don't know what the fuck we're doing. 15 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: We're just doing our best, and that's all that mattered. 16 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: You look good, though, you've got like a little spring 17 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: in your step to happy. 18 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: A couple of days, no beers feeling good. Actually it's 19 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 2: been a bit of a rough couple of days. 20 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: Well happen. 21 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 2: I had a pregnancy scare. Now, I know what you're thinking, 22 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: What does that matter? First of all, when I say 23 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: pregnancy is head, I am petrified of having a third child. 24 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: But I've also had a vasectomy. 25 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: What percentage do they tell you, like, this is going 26 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: to be nine to nine point nine or what. 27 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: I honestly didn't watch the video they give you, and 28 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 2: I didn't watch the video that started it. I didn't 29 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: have a spression. But the thing is okay. So when 30 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: you go get a vasectomy, they say, okay, so in 31 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: three months or twenty wanks time round about that time, 32 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: or if the three months goes over. 33 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: Or in like a week if you're ash, or if. 34 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: The three months goes over your birthday and it's nineteen wanks, 35 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: then you go get tested to see if your stare up. 36 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: And like me and a lot of other men, we 37 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: didn't go back and get tested to see if I'm 38 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:02,919 Speaker 2: actually stare up. 39 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: Because it's non critical, right, You're like, if you've done 40 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: your job, we're fine. 41 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 2: Well, I have a lot of faith in that doctor. 42 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: So anyway, April comes to me a couple of days 43 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: ago and she says I'm late, and I was like, 44 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: I just sat awake on an operating table or someone 45 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 2: snipped away at my testicles, and now you're telling me 46 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to have a third mouth to feed we're 47 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 2: freaking out. I'm in the supermarket buying pregnancy test, running 48 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 2: into really close friends holding your pregnancy test, like hiding 49 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 2: it in the supermarket, going fuck, because it's like, I don't. 50 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: Know, it's always the way when you're buying eggs and milk, 51 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: you're seeing no one. When you're buying like hemorrhoid cream 52 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: and pregnancy tests, you bump into your old school teacher. 53 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: What she grab it? Yea condo? You don't well I 54 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: thought I did anyway. 55 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: Because yeah, obviously you wouldn't even have a pregnancy test anyway. 56 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: When did you get the snip last year? We're talking 57 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: six seven months ago, So. 58 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: When you're diving to the siftmarket or the pharmacy, what's 59 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: going through your mind? 60 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: I was thinking about just not stopping, continue red on 61 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 2: straight through, see what happens. But yeah, look she comes 62 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 2: to three or four days late, and I'm like, you 63 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: have got to be kidding me. 64 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: Wow. 65 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: Anyway, So finally, finally as you got a period, and 66 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 2: we're like, thank god, but we have that you know, 67 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 2: you have that conversation where you like, what are we 68 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: going to do? And we might have said, let's not 69 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 2: have that conversation until. 70 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: It's because it could be like it's a miracle child 71 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: could be a miracle. 72 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: Or but anyway, I probably should book in and go 73 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: and get tested whether I'm sterile or not knowing my semen. 74 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: They've figured it out down there. 75 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: And tried to re rooted, they re routed. 76 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: There's a little one down there with the detours this 77 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: way fellas, this way to the end of the cock. 78 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: So it's a hard no. 79 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: No for three. 80 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, always going to be two. 81 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: That was it. One was always going to be the case. 82 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: Then once you had one, like not doing it again, 83 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: but no, then we were like, we'll have two, and thankfully. 84 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: We had to still on the fence a little bit. 85 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: Well according to who weekly. 86 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: Having a third kid, Yeah, I don't know. I don't 87 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: know where we're at with the third. 88 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: Got to have sex first, I suppose. 89 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 1: Well, actually, little hang on, little adventure last night. You know, 90 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: I woke up this morning and the sun was shining brightly, 91 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: the birds were chirping beautifully, the flowers smelled beautiful. Skipping 92 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: to my car my neighborhood I don't really talk to 93 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: I was. 94 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: Like, Hi, Glenn, he got someone had sex beautiful. That's 95 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: up well that that's worth it. I'm going to call 96 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: her after and see how it was. 97 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: Oh, look it was. 98 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 2: It wasn't with Laura. 99 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: It hasn't been that long. Like Laura and I were like, 100 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: we're pretty good have sex, you know, regularly. She's been 101 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: really really busy, absolutely flat out, and then when we're 102 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: gonna have sex, she had a period, little roadblock, Yeah, 103 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: waiting patiently, and then Tuesday is a great day because 104 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: you know, Laura doesn't work too late. No, there's nothing 105 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: ever on on a Tuesday, really, and so that morning 106 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: when we left for work, Laura was like pre empted, Well, 107 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: ours is always preempted. Yeah, preempted, yeah, which sometimes sometimes 108 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: I don't like sometimes I want it to be this 109 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: like Sponge, You're just. 110 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: So desperately like, okay, turn for fifteen, we're gonna do it. 111 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: Then that's another thing too, with this pregnancy scare, because 112 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 2: I was like, how did this happen? And she was like, oh, 113 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: I tracked it back, and it just so happened that 114 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 2: I was ovulating that day. I'm like, oh my fucking god, 115 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a third kid. 116 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: This is gonna be really stupid. Ovulating happens before the 117 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: period I must do. I feel like I should. 118 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: Know that we are two men who have no idea. 119 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 2: Clearly we work that out. 120 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: We were lucky in that we never looked at the calendar. 121 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: Just one of those annoying couples where first or second time. 122 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like, I hate talking about this because 123 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: there's people out there that are really struggling. 124 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: Like IVF. That is hard, hard work. We were very, 125 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: very fortunate. Also got some some bloody strong swimmers. Surprisingly, yeah, 126 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: after what I surprised, what I put myself through in 127 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: my twenties, I think it just made them stronger, more resilient. 128 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 129 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: So we had this planned sexertem in the morning and 130 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: Laura was like, yeah, like later on you and me, 131 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, move And I was like, oh, I can't wait. 132 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: In the morning. You have really good intentions. You know, 133 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: you've got the whole day ahead. 134 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 2: Of you walking around with the direction all day. 135 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: I was like, I was waving goodbye to her with 136 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: a massive stiffy horn. 137 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 2: When are you coming back? 138 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be right here. And then by the afternoon 139 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: and you pick up the kids from daycare like five o'clock. 140 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: You then got to do dinner and that's it just 141 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: sucks out any energy that you have. 142 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: Buzz kill moments. Ah yeah, buzz killington right. 143 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: My children cock block the hell out of me. 144 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: I love it. 145 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: At the moment kind of fluctuates between if they like mom, 146 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: they like dad. At the moment, I feel like they 147 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: hate me. 148 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: Everything you ask. 149 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: Of, every mouthful. They don't want to sit at their 150 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: little kid's table, they want to sit at the you know, 151 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: just everything every step of the way is met with 152 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: like fierce resistance, even ash to the point where we 153 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: don't have a bath at home. It's got a shower, 154 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: and you know, you give them like five minute warnings, 155 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: one minute warning we're getting out of the shower. Like 156 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: they don't want to go in the shower. When they're 157 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: in the shower, they don't want to get out of 158 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: the shower. And I was like, Lola, she's two. I 159 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: was like, it's time to get out, and. 160 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: She's wasting water. 161 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's wrap up this show. We're going to get 162 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: ready for bed. And she looks at me. Dude, that's 163 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: what I did. 164 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: Oh no, I was like, that was a joke. You 165 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: just hit the reality of that. 166 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: Well, she's looking at me and she's like fuck you, Dad, 167 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: And I'm like, Lola, come on, I'm being as pleasant 168 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: as I can, and I'm like, do you know what, 169 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,679 Speaker 1: I'm just going to slowly put it a little bit colder. 170 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: I was on fullball cold and. 171 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: She's still and she's just sitting there ice man copping it, 172 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: staring at me like whim hof. This is actually good 173 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: for me. I'm going to be here for two more 174 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: minutes and let my body adjust to this. 175 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: I was like, what is wrong with my children? I'm like, 176 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: this isn't normal. 177 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: Nice queen. 178 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: And then eventually I'm like, turn the water off, get 179 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: it in bed, and then we had dinner. It's now 180 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: once you send a couple of emails, check. 181 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 2: Your phone, it's midnight. I got I got a text 182 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 2: message when you are like eleven pm, so it must 183 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 2: have been after that. 184 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: You kind of get to that point where I'm looking 185 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: at Laura and she's like, oh, should we go to bed? 186 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: And then we're both kind of like we've missed the window. 187 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: The sex window is like nine o'clock. 188 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 2: Maybe I see what you do with the windows usually 189 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: duct tape them up. 190 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: Up in in bed and we're like should we Yeah, Okay, 191 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I get it, I can get it done. 192 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 2: You're already laying on the work bend. She might as 193 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 2: well just get some work done. 194 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: And guess who decides to come in? 195 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: Which one? 196 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: MALEI. She's curious and we were like in the midst, 197 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: in the midst, we heard her coming. We're like, oh, 198 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: come go back, go back to her coming. 199 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 2: That's good. 200 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: If you can't hear him coming, it would have been freaking. 201 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 2: I just had the worst flashback of my life. 202 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: Can you share? 203 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: I can share. I was like, I don't know, like 204 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 2: twelve thirteen, walked into my mum giving my dad a hand. Mom, 205 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. 206 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: In the bedroom, where was it? Yeah, did they say anything. 207 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 2: It's never been spoken about till right now. They've never like, 208 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: never been mentioned. And now my mom's going to find out. 209 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: Did you just open the door shut it straight away? 210 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah. 211 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: I couldn't get out of there quick. 212 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: What was the form? 213 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 2: Like great changed hands without missing? Oh my god, I 214 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: hope myself so much right now. 215 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: I feel like we're just uncovering some deep dark words 216 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: about parenting. 217 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 2: Not my parents parenting, our parenting. 218 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: Anyway it happens to us, all happens to us. All okay, anyway, 219 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: got the job done. 220 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: For comforting me, We're going to get through this. 221 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: Don't worry. All right, We'll got the job done. And 222 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the same. 223 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: Did you shush it back to bed or just be 224 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: like check a blanket over and get on with it. 225 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: At the time, I was thinking to myself, this is like, 226 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: show's over. 227 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not gonna yeah, it's not going to be 228 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:45,599 Speaker 2: any follow up after that. 229 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: I'm not going to have this crescendo moment. And then 230 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: I was like, do you want to get back to bed? 231 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: And she was like, yeah, okay, We're back to bed. 232 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: I was like, and then about thirty seconds later, I 233 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: was done. 234 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,239 Speaker 2: Thirty second it was about. 235 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: A good forty five here for a good time, not 236 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: a long time. I was like, well, Laura, good night. 237 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 2: She's like, you've already roll over. 238 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry about that. But today I've waken up and 239 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm s so good. I bumped into 240 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: a family at daycare and the drop off, you know, 241 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: someone you just want to like get the kids out 242 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: there and head down. I was chatting to everyone, tell it, yeah. 243 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:36,599 Speaker 2: Very good. I'm impressed and I'm proud. Mathew. Have you 244 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: ever heard about Annabelle. 245 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: Carmen's Annabelle Carmen's what person? 246 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 2: No, it's a frozen child's meal. So I've got something 247 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: to admit to you that I'm not proud of. No 248 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 2: one else knows this. I'm the sole person who knows this. 249 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 2: My wife doesn't even know this. I know she's gonna 250 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: find out. 251 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: Do you think she's listening. 252 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 2: It's not like something have Fuck, it's more it's embarrassing 253 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 2: for me. Okay, So anyway, Annibal Carmens is a frozen 254 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: kid's meal. You think this sounds harmless? Yes, absolutely harmless? 255 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: Lit a like microwave job. Yeah, yeah, lovely. 256 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: So last week we had quite a big boozy week, 257 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: mainly me. You were bury on your best behavior. Me 258 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: not so much. 259 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: You had a few beers, had. 260 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 2: A few beers, and I've stumbled home peckish. 261 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: Because roughly what times this is like thirty of the morning, 262 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: very hungry, ravenous, two thirty. 263 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: In the morning, knowing full well I'm gonna have to 264 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 2: be up at five thirty, but I'm starving. I walk 265 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: in that door. It's a long way home from wherever 266 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 2: we were, and I've stumbled in and I've. 267 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: Thought, oh, what's in the fridge, what's. 268 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 2: In the fridge. But before getting to the fridge, in 269 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: the corner of my eye, I've seen an Annibal Carmen's 270 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 2: box in the recycling and I've thought, on, my kids 271 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: had Annibel Carmen's for dinner, but I know they wouldn't 272 00:12:54,920 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 2: have finished it. 273 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: I know where you're going. 274 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 2: So I buried my head into the bin, scooped out 275 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 2: the remainder of a Annabel Carmen's, reheated it and ate it. 276 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: You are fucking disgusting. Shame on you, Ashton Wicks. 277 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 2: Do you want to know what flavor was? 278 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: Please? 279 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 2: But a chicken? 280 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: Did your second guess yourself? Or was it straight in? 281 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 2: Didn't even think about it. I was like it was 282 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 2: like I was hunting for food and just took it 283 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 2: down like a lion would take down to gell or 284 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: zebra when. 285 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: You're sitting there on the couch. 286 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 2: I ate it at the bench. Look, I'm not proud 287 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: of it. That's why I haven't told anybody. And you 288 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 2: know I woke up with a lot of anxiety. 289 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: Anyway, Did it even hit the side Okay, Daddy was full. 290 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 2: Daddy was. It was a nice little tree to get 291 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 2: me through the but it just led me to think, like, 292 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: what are some people desperate leftover moments? And like that 293 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: is like the bot, Like do you know I haven't 294 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 2: had a drink since. 295 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: Because before we started recording with that at the cafe 296 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: and you're invited for a couple of beers on Friday, 297 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: which you said. 298 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: If I'm not drinking? 299 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: Is this all because of the fact that it's a 300 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: part of it? You're eating out of the bin? 301 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 2: I essentially ate out of the bin. 302 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know what I think? Personally? Play on 303 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: I like, you don't want to waste food? 304 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: Play on six again. 305 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: The thing about buttered chicken is that it's a really 306 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: pungent dish. So you like, did you hop into bed, 307 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: did April at any point go you kind of smell 308 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: a bit like buttered chicken? 309 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: A rinse off? Whatsoever of me stenching? Like anyway, it 310 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 2: was a moment of weakness. I regret it, but I 311 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: feel so much better telling you that. 312 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: Do you think this non drinking phase will be like 313 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: a week, two weeks? 314 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 2: It'll be like two weeks, But it's like a two 315 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 2: weeks clance to forget because it was like, look, just 316 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 2: picture a fully grown man with no T shirt on, 317 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 2: scooping some buttered chicken out in half cup, eating his 318 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 2: back up, and eating it with his hands in the 319 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 2: kitchen fan. 320 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: You didn't even use fucking cutorio opened the gullet. 321 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: I didn't have time for that. 322 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: Ship. Oh dude, Sometimes you got to hit rock bottom 323 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: to then work your way back up. 324 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it was delicious. If anyone's gonna ask follow 325 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 2: up questions, don't because I say it was delicious and nutritious. 326 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of a story where I've done 327 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: something similar, except like for me, it's normally just the 328 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: cold toast that's still sitting there from breakfast at around 329 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: lunchtime level left. 330 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: I was just saying that this morning I had some 331 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 2: peanut buttered toast left over from Macy. I was like, yump, 332 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: that's mine. 333 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: My kids don't really eat, and so when you're feeding. 334 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 2: That way, I knew there was going to be some left. 335 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: That's why I went hunting for it. I thought. I 336 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 2: was like Sherlock Holmes, I'm like, hang on a second, 337 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: let me put a couple of things together here. There's 338 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: definitely gonna be some butter chicken in the bin. And 339 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 2: I was right, and I ate it. 340 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: Fuck, dude, look at yourself, look at who you've become. 341 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: And April, this is the man you've married, This is 342 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: of your dream, this is the father of your children, 343 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: the current father of So next week when we record again, 344 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: we'll be in like a really dodgy one bedroom hotel 345 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: because Ash has been kicked out of home. 346 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 2: Ouing animal essentially like a bird getting something out of 347 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: the bean. I am a bin chicken. 348 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: Hash. It's time for a couple of questions. Last week 349 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: we did our first our inaugural Q and A. 350 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, one of my. 351 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: Favorite questions that there's been a lot of chit chat 352 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 1: on socials about this. It was a placenta encapsulation. 353 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yes, and I actually this the different ways 354 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: to cook you. 355 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, the smoked fried steamed. I didn't think it was 356 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: widely done. I thought it was like. 357 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 2: I thought someone just threw it at us to be 358 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: like this will real fuck them up. 359 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: But people have come out of the woodworks and they're 360 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: advocating for I've had so many people put on stories 361 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: on our Instagram. Has anyone done this expecting maybe like one. 362 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 2: One of my neighbors came to me and she said, 363 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 2: we did this, but they didn't take them. So the 364 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 2: husband threw them out eventually because they have taken up 365 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 2: room and they could to keep the freezer. 366 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, people say they keep them the freezer. 367 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, this whole new world that we've just been opened 368 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 2: up to. 369 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: I had no idea, and also a couple of people 370 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: were like, hey you because I was kind of thinking 371 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: that's crazy talk, like who the hell is going to 372 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: eat the percenter? I thought people may come at us 373 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: and be like, how dare you attack the placenta eat 374 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: it's out. 375 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 2: The front of our house, protesting about it. 376 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, but they'd be really great. 377 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 2: They've actually they've been more informative, haven't they. 378 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: Very forthcoming with information. I think overwhelmingly the mums have 379 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: said that it helped, and they've also kind of said, like, 380 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was placebo, but like my 381 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: recovery was quicker. I felt better, and I was like, 382 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: hang on a second, how does it work? Like how 383 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: much does it cost? How much do you think it costs? 384 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,479 Speaker 2: Ten thousand dollars? 385 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 1: It's actually a lot more cost effective. It's very reasonable. 386 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: It's not in the realms of. 387 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 2: Unford one tablet or for like that, for a course. 388 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: Of to process the entire placenta. 389 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: I can't give me nudication on how many tablets you 390 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 2: get out of one placenta. Yeah, yeah, okay, and i'll 391 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: break it down cost from that point. Yeah. 392 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: So I'm on the kids iPad a photo of a 393 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: shit on it. Yeah, just do oneh you sent me 394 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: this morning, but the same shit, oh that was last night. 395 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't proud of it. 396 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: So from one placenta, this lady has said that you 397 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 1: get about three months worth of caps of placenter caps, 398 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: and so it looks like roughly about ninety. 399 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 2: Okay, let's go ninety caps. Let's go ten dollars a cap. 400 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 2: Nine hundred dollars. 401 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: Ain't way better than that. So between fifty four to 402 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: five hundred is what you're paying. 403 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, five dollars a cap. That's great value. 404 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: Except the weird thing is because I thought it's a 405 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: bit of a unique object. It's an organ, right, and 406 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: it's pretty full on. It's like, how do you get 407 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: it to the person? How does that process? Yeah? Yeah, 408 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: what are you sending? Just just they weigh it it's 409 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: kind of Queensland. You have to get it to them 410 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: really really quickly. So as soon as yeah, birth is over, 411 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: you got to put it on ice And one mom 412 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 1: was saying that they brought in like a like a 413 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: Peter's ice cream tub. Oh that was cleaned down. 414 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: She get really excited before they opened and his ice cream. 415 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: To Napoleana the dad after childbirth. The dad had to 416 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: get them to put it in a tub lid on 417 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: and he then had to walk out to the car 418 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: park like doing a drug deal, like handover oh my god, 419 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: the placenta. Yeah, so they. 420 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 2: Couldn't come and collect it. There has to be like 421 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 2: a mutual meeting spot. 422 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, car park sounds super dogic. 423 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 2: Like all done on that signal app so that the 424 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 2: message disappeared. 425 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: I was never here, but a lot of people did 426 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: say that it tasted pretty bad, like the burping afterwards 427 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: after burp was no good. But like some people were 428 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: saying that they would take it and then because they 429 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: were going, I feel amazing, the husbands would take it 430 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: as well. 431 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 2: Not for mate, look like we went over this last week. 432 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: If someone wants to do it, go for your laugh. 433 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: But it's not something I would do. 434 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: I did get a really good message though, from one 435 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: lady who didn't get placenta caps made you. 436 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 2: Got placenta heroin mate. 437 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: Just booting up. So this lady who was super lovely, 438 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: spoke to her on social media and she was saying 439 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: for a first child, and she's a really lovely midwife. 440 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: And the midwife was saying, oh, I'd like to take 441 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: your placenta and I'd like to make something with it 442 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: a keepsake. And the lady was like a child. 443 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 2: Not keep taking up you've got You've got that thing now. 444 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 2: Like it's like saying, I want to give you something 445 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: to remember that, and you push that child out. It's 446 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: like the child is the memory of that. 447 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: Is it? And she didn't want to because this midwife 448 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: was a bit older, super experienced, delivered hundreds of babies 449 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: and just yeah, just like goes into her basement and 450 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: pulls out these percenters. I think that maybe her friends 451 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: hadn't had kids. So you know, when you're one of 452 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: the first in your group of friends to have kids, 453 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: kind of flying blind, you don't know what's normal or weird. 454 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: You're just like it's all brand new territory. Childbirth. The 455 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: midwife took the placenta, and then she said, I'll be 456 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: in touch in a couple of weeks with this keepsake. 457 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: So then she reaches out, calls and says it's ready. 458 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 2: What is ready? 459 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 1: And she's like, what is this? 460 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 2: Lady? Way too scared to pick that up? 461 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: Do you want to see what she made? 462 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? 463 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, she sent me photos, She. 464 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 2: Sent you photos of this. Am I going to be disgusted? 465 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: So this midwife, I'm not. 466 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 2: Rip it off the band aid. 467 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: Who am I to judge? This is a lovely gesture 468 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: and it would be rude of me to laugh. 469 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 2: I'm scared. 470 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: It's a dream catcher? 471 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 2: What the fuck is that? That looks like something one 472 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: of my kids to bring home from the KINDI. 473 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: It's not even like a nice circle. 474 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 2: Which is the placenta bit obviously not the feathers. 475 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it almost looks like the umbilical cord. But 476 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: there she will drop it in in the video afterwards. 477 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 2: Oh my god. I love how she's included the anal beads. 478 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: It's lovely. 479 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: And I said to her, I was like, so like, 480 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: what did you do with it? Obviously you would have 481 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 1: you would have accepted it and said thanks very much. 482 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: And then I'm going to put this in the bit. 483 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 2: Awkward of that being like do you love it Christmas? 484 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 2: You don't like, You're like, oh socks, You're like, oh, 485 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 2: perfect dream catcher. 486 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: It's still they're hanging in a kid's bedroom. Still there. 487 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 2: Oh my god, imagine that. 488 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: I thought, like the smell in the bedroom. 489 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 2: There you go, that's okay, I'm just gonna put that's 490 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 2: fucking disgusting. 491 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 1: No, Ash, shame on you, Shame on you to be 492 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: so close minded. Okay, a dream catcher. 493 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 2: It's not the placenta. It's the whole DreamCatcher thing. I 494 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 2: don't believe. 495 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is fine, it's fine. 496 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 2: Hanging up it looks like skin from a sausage. Yeah, 497 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 2: why was I expecting like a bagpipe looking thing. 498 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: It's quite tasteful. I think the craftsmanship is actually quite impressive. 499 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm worried what else she can do with the 500 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 2: human body? 501 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: Why waste it? Why waste it? 502 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: Anyway? 503 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: Ash, last week we did three We're going to trim 504 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: it down to two questions. 505 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 2: There was too many for the listeners. 506 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was exhausting. Question number one, Ash, Yes, do 507 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: you ever have dad guilt, Dad guilt. 508 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 2: So like, in context of dad guilt, my brain automatically 509 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 2: goes to whether I've been sitting on the toilet too long, 510 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 2: And I can hear the kids going absolutely mental and 511 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 2: my wife's like trying to herd them in, and I'm like, 512 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 2: do I feel guilty about this? So that's what comes 513 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 2: to mind? 514 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: What about afterwards when especially I've yelled at them? Yeah, 515 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: actually disciplining. 516 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 2: Okay, Never if my kids are listening, I never feel guilty. 517 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: Do you do a little bit though? Right? 518 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? 519 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: Look, if I feel like your heartless animal, if. 520 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 2: I unfairly had yelled or unfairly thrown something in the 521 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 2: bin and then reflected on it and thought that was 522 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 2: diveraish of me? 523 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: Is this something you throw on the bin that you 524 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: then go eat afterwards? 525 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 2: No non food, non food related. If there's voogun in 526 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 2: the bin, arms straighten after it. 527 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: So has Oscar? For example? Has Oscar ever gone to 528 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: you and said, like, Daddy, can we like? 529 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 2: So? 530 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: Marley likes to draw, that's her jam. She loves it. 531 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm good. Other times I'm two minutes in and 532 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: I'm like. 533 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 2: This is boring? 534 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, does Oscar have any games? That he loves 535 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: to play any wants, like Daddy can't play with me, 536 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: and you like the. 537 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 2: Hot Wheels car the tracks, I've actually hidden them so 538 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 2: that he can forget, because look, I don't mind playing 539 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 2: with the hot Wheels with him. But then it's like 540 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 2: whatever I make is never good enough, so I've got 541 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 2: to remake it so often to the point where I've 542 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 2: been like, no, fuck. But yeah, after I feel bad, 543 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 2: it's like he doesn't know. He just wants to have fun. 544 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 2: So yeah, look, I'll say, yes, I do feel dad girl. 545 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: Because I think I feel guilt. Normally, it happens when 546 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 1: the kids are in bed, and it's at the end 547 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: of the day when you know, you kind of look 548 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: into their bedroom. The doors ajar a little bit. I 549 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: see Marley sleeping there so peacefully, and it's at that 550 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: moment when you also you get a little second window 551 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: of energy and you think, I wish, I wish I 552 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: just gave a little bit more, And I never have that. 553 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: Really, I'm like, I gave everything I have today. I 554 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 2: put in that everything, that time is gone, that time 555 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 2: is mine. I always say, like, when everyone's asleep in 556 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 2: the house, that's the time for me to just sit 557 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 2: on the couch or go to bed. A lot of 558 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 2: the time I found myself going to bed, and I 559 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 2: have time for guilt. Like I said, if I've yelled 560 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 2: them unnecessarily or whatever, then yeah, but I feel like 561 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 2: in the moment, I've put as much as I can into. 562 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: The day, making me feel a lot more. 563 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, be better. You're not putting enough, but it happens. 564 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: It happens. 565 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: I think different types of guilt we both have, which 566 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 2: is okay because we're not perfect. 567 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: When you're about to discipline, do you ever have I've 568 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: read a few things where I've seen a few videos 569 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: where it's like, when you're about to react to something 570 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: a situation, stop, take a breath, and then reconsider how 571 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: you're going to respond. Do you have any or you're 572 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: just off the cuff knee jake reaction. 573 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 2: I've tried to stop. Breathe, gentle parent, bigg as a 574 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 2: waste to fucking die. 575 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: It doesn't I mean, if you can do it. 576 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 2: Going from nor to a hundreds the only way to 577 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 2: get anything done in this house. 578 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: They don't fucking listen. Sorry, they don't listen. I'm getting angry. 579 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 2: Let's go, let's move to the next question. 580 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: We'll put disciplining on pause because I could go on. 581 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 2: All right, So, Matthew, question number two, do you have 582 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 2: a favorite child of yours? 583 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: Yeah? Can I say that? No? No, hang on a second, No, 584 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: I gotta I'm going to Okay, I will say this. 585 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: You know when people say during childbirth, the moment you 586 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: make eye contact with your garbage your child. Okay, I 587 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: will say like, the first time I held Marley, it 588 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: was that cliche like, holy shit, hit me like a 589 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 1: ton of bricks, and I'm like a couple of tears 590 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I'm opening up here. Sorry, 591 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: I'm opening I fucking cuddled you and comforted you when 592 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: you told me about eating stuff out of the bin, 593 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I cried to want to help my 594 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: daughter and you're that. 595 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 2: With you. I'm just being a jerk off about it. 596 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 2: Go yeah, you're lucky. 597 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: I like you. 598 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 2: I'm so lucky. 599 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: So it was that cliche moment, and you know, we 600 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: had a really instant bond. I find it takes a 601 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: little bit longer for baby number two. And also because 602 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: when youah baby number one, you know. 603 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: They're all that your attention is just. 604 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: Just you know, down and the two of you are 605 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: just you know, every kind of noise, every movement, You're like, 606 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: oh my god, Yeah, this is incredible, this is amazing. 607 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: And then when we had the second we had Lola 608 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: got a name for a second what's her name? 609 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:09,719 Speaker 2: The favorites Marley. 610 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: Well, it just like it took a little bit longer 611 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: to have that bond because when Laura was at home 612 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: with Lola when she was a newborn, to give her 613 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: some reprieve and to make it easier, I would take 614 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: Marley out of the house and we would go and 615 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: do activities. Also, because Marley was so young, she was 616 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: like eighteen months. Marley and Lala are so close together 617 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: that it was tough for Marley because she was like, Mum, 618 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: play with me. She couldn't cuts she had a newborn, 619 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: and so Marley would get frustrated. So then in that 620 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: period and maybe the first six months, me and Marley 621 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: bonded like nothing else. And Lola's come around yeah Lola, 622 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: and I like, yeah, well yeah, when she's not cock 623 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: blocking me. Yeah, But it depends because sometimes kids are 624 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: really easy and sometimes kids are really hard. Absolutely, and 625 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: on the days when one is being easy, that's the 626 00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: one I want to hang it here. 627 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly what I was gonna say. I was going 628 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 2: to be like, look, these kids have a favorite, and 629 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 2: it's not me, very obvious, all right, it's always mummy, mummy, mummy, mummy, mummy. Right. Fine, 630 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 2: I'm allowed to have a favorite if I want. You're 631 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 2: gonna pin them against each other. 632 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: I'm seeing you with the kids. I think they do 633 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: like you. 634 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 2: They do, they can't. I think they're warming up to me. 635 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 2: We don't know each other that well. But yeah, look, 636 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 2: you definitely I don't want to sit here and say 637 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 2: your favorites. I do have one. I prefer. 638 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: Go on. 639 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 2: No, obviously, Macy's like the second one, and she's a girl, 640 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 2: She's stated a little girl, right. But at the same time, like, 641 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 2: I won't sit here and say that I like one 642 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: of them more than the other. I hate them both equally. 643 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 2: I love them both equally equally, is not just the other. 644 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 2: So yeah, but like what you were saying on the day, 645 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 2: you definitely have your favorite, and yeah, get the kid 646 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: away from me moment. 647 00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes some even it's most mornings 648 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: to be fair, when Lola wakes up and you can 649 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: hear her yelling she wants someone to get her, and 650 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: I'll put my head in and I'll go, hey, baba, hey, 651 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: good morning, you're awake. And she looks at me and 652 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: she's like, not you, yeah, And I'm like, she wants you. 653 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 2: It's heartbreaking sometimes, isn't that. But also like she wants mum, 654 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 2: so that's mum's problem. 655 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Also like it's kind of I would take her. 656 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 2: I would help you out of that bed, but I 657 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 2: don't know. You're start idiot, use your brain. 658 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: I will say any other questions that you want, They're 659 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: not going to be answered, seriously, Oh absolutely not. Don't 660 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: take what we're saying as any formal advice. Go see 661 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: a professional, read the books. 662 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 2: Love your kids equally or equally exactly. 663 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: But if you do have any questions, you can submit 664 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: them either ashes social media, my social media or two 665 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: dotting Dads. And if you haven't followed us, I'm. 666 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 2: Just a cheeky pH. 667 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: I've really been waiting for stop playing hard to get 668 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: and also fucking good reviews, which has been great. 669 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 2: My favorite one was just one star and then. 670 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,479 Speaker 1: I was like, obviously that's an next girlfriend. But if 671 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: you haven't subscribed, with you, because if you starts. We 672 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: would love that more than. 673 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 2: Anything, absolutely, and again thank you for joining us. 674 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: That's it, that's us there yeah two. Doting Dad's podcast 675 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional custodians of country throughout Australia and the 676 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: connections to land, sea and community. We pay our respects 677 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: to the elders past and present and extend that respect 678 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples today. This 679 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: episode was recorded on Gaddagal Land