WEBVTT - BONUS: Ned Kelly with Scott Williams

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, everybody, welcome to Not Another Crime Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Georgia Love.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Sammy Peterson.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a journalist.

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<v Speaker 1>I am not, but hey what I am a big

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<v Speaker 1>fan of our guest. The third host of the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>Not Digs. It's Scott Williams. Yeah, yeah, yeah, hello, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome Scott with your beautiful clipboard. You've got a bag

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<v Speaker 1>today as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, we'll talk you hang on.

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<v Speaker 5>So if I'm a journalist and you're are not, what

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<v Speaker 5>are we going to call Scott? Because you're on so

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<v Speaker 5>often with us now we need to bring you into

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<v Speaker 5>the intro when you hear it.

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<v Speaker 4>If we're going to bring me into the intro, this

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<v Speaker 4>is what I think we'll do right Someday we'll find

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<v Speaker 4>it beautiful. The dream.

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<v Speaker 2>Mis understood where we were going.

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<v Speaker 4>So I can be just me and me beautiful. I

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<v Speaker 4>can be the third wheel.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's do it again. We'll go. Hey, every welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to Not Another Crime Podcast. I'm Smy Peterson.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Georgia Love.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a journalist. No, no, no more time. Hi everybody, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to another crime podcast. I'm Simmy Peterson and Scott you're fired.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll get it clean. This time.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, everybody, Welcome to not Another crime podcast. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia Love, I'm Sammy Peterson. I'm a journalist, I am not.

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<v Speaker 4>And I am just me. Yeah, just you are you?

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<v Speaker 3>You are everyone else has taken.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we have a present for you today, Scott. And

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<v Speaker 1>it is a letter that has come from the beautiful Claudia,

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<v Speaker 1>who you might know.

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<v Speaker 5>Sammy's got up to pass the envelope you might know

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<v Speaker 5>as Dick is by Claude, our listener who showers us

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<v Speaker 5>with gifts and has now showered you with a.

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<v Speaker 1>Gift a gift. Cry you dare? Don't you dare?

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<v Speaker 3>And me, don't you dare? At me?

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<v Speaker 1>Also, won't at me?

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<v Speaker 3>Going at me?

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<v Speaker 4>I'll resent hear it for a minute. Sorry, sorry, but

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<v Speaker 4>this like I have a life. I heard I heard

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<v Speaker 4>an expression the other day that said, the number of

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<v Speaker 4>beautiful things that happen in your life are entirely based

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<v Speaker 4>on your ability to recognize them. Oh lovely, And I

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<v Speaker 4>like that, yeah and it And I had a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of beautiful things happened to me in twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 4>But becoming a pseudo part of this podcast was one

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<v Speaker 4>of the most people. We love you guys have no

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<v Speaker 4>idea the joy that it brings me to write and

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<v Speaker 4>to share the stories and then to get fan my joking,

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<v Speaker 4>are you're even joking.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, Sammy, We're going to have to rethink firing him.

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<v Speaker 1>On this next one.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait until you see what this is. This is spectactuar.

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<v Speaker 4>Well it's buttons.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh the stick buttons because Scott told us the button

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<v Speaker 5>Man story.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, cla My heart could not be more full. That

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<v Speaker 4>is absolutely a dream.

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<v Speaker 3>That is three hundred and sixty five buttons for all

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<v Speaker 3>the days.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh god, I hope. So that is stunning. These are

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<v Speaker 4>going on the clipboard.

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<v Speaker 1>A huge.

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<v Speaker 3>The room.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a Claude claud I'm looking straight at the camera.

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<v Speaker 4>You're a beautiful human being. Go to the Rose Street

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<v Speaker 4>markets and visit Claude on the weekends.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, sticks plugs in and everything. Yeah, blood absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>that You've got your name there as well, on the

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<v Speaker 1>on the correct day, always right.

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<v Speaker 4>She said to Scott Williams. Sammy sent me a photo

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<v Speaker 4>just of this, and my heart almost burst. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>what do you mean, I've got fem mate, This is

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<v Speaker 4>just ridiculous. I'm just a dude, right, like just me

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's beautiful. It's so beautiful live unboxings on my no

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<v Speaker 1>the buttons.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I'm really glad that you said that. So

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<v Speaker 4>what listeners don't know is because of reasons we didn't

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<v Speaker 4>get together for a couple of weeks, you record today's episode.

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<v Speaker 4>I was supposed to come on the week of your

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<v Speaker 4>one year anniversary.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And the bag is in my lap is a little

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<v Speaker 4>gift for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I'm.

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<v Speaker 4>Going to got buttons. I'm going to go off for

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<v Speaker 4>a second and pass it to you. Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I've probably said this on the podcast before.

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<v Speaker 5>Gifting is my love language. Like, I can't tell how

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<v Speaker 5>happy giving gifts and receiving gifts makes me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, it's a beautiful What is a box?

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<v Speaker 4>And Sammy just said something off Mike, and I'm so

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<v Speaker 4>glad he did because waiting to open.

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<v Speaker 3>This, what did you say?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a box?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, please hold my joms, please.

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<v Speaker 1>Sir, please please, okaye.

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<v Speaker 4>How one year? I'm super excited for you, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, wait, oh my god, my god. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>it was really bad.

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<v Speaker 2>This is really bad audio.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, now, but Scott has gifted us champagne glasses that

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<v Speaker 5>are engraved with the word horrendous.

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<v Speaker 1>That is amazing.

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<v Speaker 5>You're right, damn it just said before we started recording,

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<v Speaker 5>he literally said, these are only two champagne glasses left

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<v Speaker 5>because Digs has broken them.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, Scott, that is.

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<v Speaker 5>The best surrendous thing I've ever said.

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<v Speaker 1>Carrendous.

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<v Speaker 3>There's another level.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like an unboxing past the past.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye oh my god, Oh my god. More, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>there's two more.

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<v Speaker 3>And then they say ring, ring, and off.

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<v Speaker 4>The new catchphrases, the new catchphrases, ring ring.

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<v Speaker 3>Scott, this is amazing.

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<v Speaker 5>This is unfortunately the end of today's episode that.

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<v Speaker 3>You are amazing. Thank you so much. That is so beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>We drink out of them right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's pour the jam.

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<v Speaker 4>Right right in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Which one do you want to drink right now?

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<v Speaker 3>I think we need ring, ring, buckling and funk off.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, well.

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<v Speaker 5>We're pouring champagne from one bush to another. You tell

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<v Speaker 5>us about your life.

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<v Speaker 4>I kind of just summarized it, right, like, my life

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<v Speaker 4>is full of beautiful moments and I continue to have

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<v Speaker 4>a beautiful, happy life.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really simple, beautiful.

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<v Speaker 4>We're coming up to March, we're coming up to Valentine's Day,

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<v Speaker 4>so absolutely, I'll say, last time I said something nice

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<v Speaker 4>about my wife at g C, I probably shouldn't do that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll say something nice to think of something.

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<v Speaker 4>That's just what I'll say. I'll say, beautiful woman, what

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<v Speaker 4>I like about She's sarcastic, Julia, Just in case you

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<v Speaker 4>were under.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to tell people because people my voice is

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<v Speaker 1>so psarcastic when I'm being genuine sometimes people go.

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<v Speaker 2>People you move by that.

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<v Speaker 4>But if people have seen you special, they know that

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<v Speaker 4>you're smirking. So you just look like you wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>say what I would say about us if I had

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<v Speaker 4>to say something nice, given it's coming out Valentine's Day.

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<v Speaker 4>Is our relationship sixty forty, But the trick is we're

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<v Speaker 4>both trying to be sixty.

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<v Speaker 3>That's better than both trying to be forty.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's cheers with your goals.

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<v Speaker 4>Happy anniversary.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh my god, that's the best.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>So welcome, Diggs.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to have to put these up so high,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, he.

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<v Speaker 3>Might have to live at my house and I'll bring

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<v Speaker 3>them over every.

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<v Speaker 2>Time we recorded we're cotton Wall also.

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<v Speaker 5>Talking about Valentine's Day. What else falls on Valentine's Day?

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<v Speaker 1>Diggs's birthday? Diggs birthday wasn't that makes so much sense.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a loveh my god full of He was bought

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<v Speaker 1>and believe it. When I got the certificate to say that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I officially adopted Digs and it had his

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<v Speaker 1>birthday as Valentine's Day, and I was like, that makes

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<v Speaker 1>total the kiss monster. And you've actually got him a

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful new gift today. So you didn't just bring his.

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<v Speaker 4>Birthday, sought him a beautiful gift. I always bring him

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<v Speaker 4>something you want to be the favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you usually bring him a pigsy or something.

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<v Speaker 1>This time you bought him a beautiful dinosaursaurus. He loves

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<v Speaker 1>it so much. So he's playing in between us right

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<v Speaker 1>now as you're about to tell this story and we've

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<v Speaker 1>got you beautiful wine glass.

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<v Speaker 4>We haven't.

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<v Speaker 3>They haven't given you a single thing.

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<v Speaker 4>She did You gave me stickers? No, but they came

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<v Speaker 4>because of this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true.

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<v Speaker 4>He gave me I.

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<v Speaker 3>Unloaded France, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 4>I do have a couple of pieces of housekeeping though,

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<v Speaker 4>because like I always come in here and tell us corrections.

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<v Speaker 4>And the sad thing about that, I've seen a few

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<v Speaker 4>of the videos of other people that you have on

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<v Speaker 4>like you have other people on.

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<v Speaker 3>A Thursday that was said with so much disdain.

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<v Speaker 4>Judi people they sit over there and Diz can sit

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<v Speaker 4>with them. So I just want to say for future, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not ideal for me. Yeah, I love Taxi. And

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<v Speaker 4>also I don't know, like I don't want to pinpoint

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<v Speaker 4>anybody on this podcast, but on a recent episode, somebody

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<v Speaker 4>had a poetry peeve. Now I'm not going to say

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<v Speaker 4>who it was. They were talking about people with very

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<v Speaker 4>loud motorcycles.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that was me.

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<v Speaker 4>And I do just want to point out that you've

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<v Speaker 4>seen my Harley, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But I haven't heard it.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the important part to our friendship.

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<v Speaker 4>So the two things that I will say about.

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<v Speaker 1>When I dress at the airport, tell me that I dress.

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<v Speaker 4>Well at airport, Yeah, don't you worry. I want I

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<v Speaker 4>want that. I want the security guard to go because

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<v Speaker 4>I did such a good job.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you want to be the fake belt.

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<v Speaker 4>Have my laptop out. I want to be at that.

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<v Speaker 4>I need a bit of that action. But I will

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<v Speaker 4>there's two times. If I'm driving up to a set

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<v Speaker 4>of lights and I see a little kid any waves

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<v Speaker 4>at me. You God, damn right, I'll read my mate, Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>because I was that little kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And also in a tunnel, because tunnels, because tunnel.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Loud as a very loud person self proclaimed you

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<v Speaker 5>love just talking about digs, squeaky toys. It really doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>make sense for me not to like the loud noises. Actually, no,

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<v Speaker 5>now I've said that out loud. It's probably because how loud,

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<v Speaker 5>because I'm not making the load noise and I'm jealous.

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<v Speaker 4>And the other thing I just wanted to share was

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<v Speaker 4>if I wrote an autobiography, yes we're talking about that,

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<v Speaker 4>it would be titled based on a true story.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's also kind of written in order bo I

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<v Speaker 1>did a little bit. Yeah, mister ordinary goes to jail

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<v Speaker 1>available online where.

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<v Speaker 4>All good books are sold at my house at the

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<v Speaker 4>moment because they're out of print.

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<v Speaker 3>That sounds a lot more sinister than it probably is.

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<v Speaker 5>You're like when you used to go to Barley in

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<v Speaker 5>like the nineties and two thousands, and you'd go into

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<v Speaker 5>those dodgy back room stores that had plastic leaves.

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<v Speaker 3>That's your garage with where we're BookTok stars now?

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<v Speaker 2>So where well book.

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<v Speaker 4>Fluences, yes, top booktops, bookto Stars. Bring ring Buckling?

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<v Speaker 5>Now, can we ring ring Buckle in to a story

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<v Speaker 5>you have brought us again today?

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<v Speaker 4>I would love to. Now I've heard the listeners, so

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<v Speaker 4>this one's a little bit longer, is good. I've heard

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<v Speaker 4>you've heard them. I have also got a stegosaurus on

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<v Speaker 4>my foot right now.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't imagine that would be quite heavy, but I'm

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<v Speaker 5>going to do what's of thing the other day actually

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<v Speaker 5>saying that because feathers nor fur can fossilize, there is

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<v Speaker 5>serious possibilities that dinosaurs were actually feathered.

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<v Speaker 4>Feathered real would be funny.

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<v Speaker 3>Imagine t Rex with lots of feathers.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine that he loves he loves it.

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<v Speaker 4>He's just picked up his stegosaurus and gone like this one,

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<v Speaker 4>this one, Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>He breaks all the glasses in the house, Karen Mass

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<v Speaker 1>and hopefully that'll stop him.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, We see if I can tell you what's

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<v Speaker 4>story beautiful?

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<v Speaker 2>We could try.

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<v Speaker 4>We could drive forty minutes. Okay, it's June eighty eighty,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>It's January twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 4>Nice one, George, nice one. You did that in the store.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's actually February. You don't get a sticker, stickers,

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<v Speaker 1>it's June eighteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 4>The bush land surround in this local hotel feels eerily quiet.

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<v Speaker 4>A group of about thirty policemen move as quietly as

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<v Speaker 4>they can and surround the property. From inside the hotel,

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<v Speaker 4>they can hear the sounds of the people that the

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<v Speaker 4>criminals inside have taken hostage. One sergeant gives the signal

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<v Speaker 4>and the police start firing. The criminals inside the hotel fireback.

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<v Speaker 4>When the shooting stops, the hotel door opens very slowly,

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<v Speaker 4>and the female owner of the hotel steps out with

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<v Speaker 4>their hands raised. At the police's signal, she approaches them

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<v Speaker 4>and makes an offer on the criminal's behalf. Before dawn,

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<v Speaker 4>they will release all the women and children from inside

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<v Speaker 4>the hotel. She also tells them her young son has

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<v Speaker 4>been shot and she will bring him out first. The

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<v Speaker 4>police agree to the terms, and she returns to the

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<v Speaker 4>hotel true to their word. Just as the sky starts

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<v Speaker 4>to turn from the full black of night to the

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<v Speaker 4>slow rising gray of dawn. The hotel door opens again

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<v Speaker 4>and the women and children who have been held hostage,

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<v Speaker 4>start to exit the hotel. Suddenly one officer he is

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<v Speaker 4>a noise in the bush behind them. He turns to

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<v Speaker 4>see an extraordinary sight. A man steps through the fog.

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<v Speaker 4>He's wearing a long black trench coat and lock what

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<v Speaker 4>looks like a helmet made out of steel.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this where the wild things are?

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<v Speaker 4>The helmet is huge and only has a small slip

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<v Speaker 4>for the man's eyes. The figure is brandishing two pistols

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<v Speaker 4>in his yells come at me, your bastards, you can't

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<v Speaker 4>hurt me. This is the story of Australia's most famous criminal, Kelly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, as I call him Nended Kelly.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll try and remember that ned lead fun. I like it,

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<v Speaker 4>that's fun, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly because I've been I you know, I think in school,

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<v Speaker 1>like we've got taught about you know, Birkehm Wills Ned Kelly,

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<v Speaker 1>and you get taught that he is a hero. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's so interesting that we have a you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>in Australia one of the biggest heroes along with Chopper

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<v Speaker 1>May he rest in ps Well Leonard ned Ed. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but we always get taught that he's a hero. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm very interested in this.

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<v Speaker 4>So my next sentence is most Australians think they know

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<v Speaker 4>the story of Bushranger and Heroonically.

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<v Speaker 5>I do feel like the tide is turning on that

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<v Speaker 5>because like skinheads and yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>You mean like it's twenty twenty six and we have

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<v Speaker 4>to still tell people nazis a bad Is that what

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<v Speaker 4>I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Fortunately, natzis a bad. Yeah, but they kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a sign off for the podcast pss nazis a bad.

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<v Speaker 4>Ps Burke and Wills right yep. Near Melbourne Zoo when

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<v Speaker 4>you go around the avenue there there's a cairn on

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<v Speaker 4>the left hand side of the road that says that

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<v Speaker 4>it commemorates That's where they started their journey.

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<v Speaker 1>In Melbourne Zoo. I didn't know they had opposite opposite

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<v Speaker 1>a family.

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<v Speaker 4>Park family to see the elephants. They actually started their

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<v Speaker 4>story at Spencer Street station and that can outside Melbourne

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<v Speaker 4>Zoo is how far they got on their first day.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh really, from Spinster Street save to the zoo.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know they even had the V line.

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<v Speaker 4>They were deeply terrible explorers. They only they only decided

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<v Speaker 4>to get rid of the bath that they were carrying.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, it is so funny.

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<v Speaker 4>They owned four k's. Yeah about four case. That's the

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<v Speaker 4>first night they camned Will's, got on his horse and

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<v Speaker 4>went back into Melbourne to watch an opera and came

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<v Speaker 4>back because they'd only gone four case.

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<v Speaker 2>Relatable content, Yeah, totally relatable.

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<v Speaker 4>Not our man, not our man today. So Ned Kelly

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<v Speaker 4>is louded in modern Australian folklore as a hero, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>noble bush ranging outlaw who spoke out against the tyranny

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<v Speaker 4>of the early Australian government, a man who's innovative and led,

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<v Speaker 4>ended his life with an iconic catchphrase such his life.

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<v Speaker 4>But the truth we're about to explore is a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit different to that narrative. And I do wonder whether

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<v Speaker 4>if Need was committing his crimes today he would be

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<v Speaker 4>as popular.

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<v Speaker 1>No. I always thought his catchphrase was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah a little bit, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>That's from the Meryl Street movie played Kelly.

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<v Speaker 4>Said the famous was anything famously was in Evil and

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<v Speaker 4>Evil Angels as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Did I do forget that?

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<v Speaker 5>We discussed that on our last record that hasn't come

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<v Speaker 5>out yet, and you won't have heard that's not get

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<v Speaker 5>that reference.

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<v Speaker 3>But you will by the time you listened to this back.

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<v Speaker 4>Nice I love it all right. So in eighteen forty two,

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<v Speaker 4>John Kelly was transported from Ireland to Van Demon's Land.

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<v Speaker 1>Philip Ireland, Yes, the Republic of Philip.

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<v Speaker 4>Republic offilm. That's not far philip Land to tell me now.

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<v Speaker 4>His crime was stealing two pigs.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, pig, pig, pig pig hey y.

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<v Speaker 4>He completed his sentence in eighteen forty eight and he

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<v Speaker 4>was released as a free man. He moved to the

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<v Speaker 4>British colony of Victoria in eighteen fifty and he met

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<v Speaker 4>and married Ellen Quinn. Their records weren't great back then,

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<v Speaker 4>so sometime between December eighteen fifty four and June eighteen

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<v Speaker 4>fifty five, their third son, Edward Kelly was born. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 4>there's no records to say when he was eighteen?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I reckon, we could get someone who's really into

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<v Speaker 3>astrology to.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, as was the case with many irishmen named Edward,

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<v Speaker 4>the boy was referred to as Ned from a very

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<v Speaker 4>young age.

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<v Speaker 5>So I know someone called Edward like by birth and

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<v Speaker 5>has always gone by Ned, but changed his name by

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<v Speaker 5>deed poll to Ned.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, that's I wonder what I'm necessary.

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<v Speaker 4>And not Ward and not h Ed or in any

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<v Speaker 4>other fun combinations. So Ellen and John had eight children

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<v Speaker 4>in total. Oo oh boy, that no telling boy. The

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<v Speaker 4>family lived in Beveridge, Victoria, on a small plot of

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<v Speaker 4>land they at least from the government. The land was

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<v Speaker 4>described as poor farming land, which is why it was cheap.

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<v Speaker 4>In eighteen sixty five, Ned's father, John was jailed for

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<v Speaker 4>killing a neighbour's cow. His defense was that had wandered

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<v Speaker 4>on to his property. He stated, once the animal was

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<v Speaker 4>on his land, it was by right his to slaughter

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<v Speaker 4>to feed his family. Goldwall, that was a cow. Its

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<v Speaker 4>not June, and it was a cow. He served six

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<v Speaker 4>months in jail. Around six months after his release, in

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<v Speaker 4>December eighteen sixty six, John Kelly passed away. At the funeral,

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<v Speaker 4>Ned's mother, Ellen was enraged to see the wife of

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<v Speaker 4>the man whose cow John had killed. She screamed at

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<v Speaker 4>her at the funeral, yelling, you damn English Bible thumper.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you get enough for your heifer yet? I hope

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<v Speaker 4>you soon become a widow like me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that's that's huge a heifer as well.

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<v Speaker 3>How did you point at Diggs.

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<v Speaker 4>Out calling No, I wasn't calling him heifer at this time?

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<v Speaker 4>Around one quarter of Victoria's population was Irish. Some were

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<v Speaker 4>pre settlers, but a lot were, like Ned's father, convicts

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<v Speaker 4>who had been released and settled in the area. Many

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<v Speaker 4>of the irishmen joined the police, as it was a reg job.

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<v Speaker 4>Ned was brought up hating the idea of the police.

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<v Speaker 4>After the cow incident, the Kelly family saw themselves as

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<v Speaker 4>victims of police persecution.

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<v Speaker 5>They only went to for six months that much.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. In the Giraldary letter Sorry. In the Glary letter,

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<v Speaker 4>Ned wrote that the Irish police were the worst kind

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<v Speaker 4>of traders, saying that they were forgoing the Catholic heritage

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<v Speaker 4>to suckle at the English teat, and he called them

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<v Speaker 4>lazy loafers who had deserted this shamrock. Okay, now what

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<v Speaker 4>I like to imagine the great and good Jonathan Groff

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<v Speaker 4>just walking up behind Ned and going.

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<v Speaker 2>Officially one of us.

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<v Speaker 3>Can't you will be back my face when you said,

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<v Speaker 3>the great Jonathan, I know.

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<v Speaker 4>I know how much you love him, my husband. So

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<v Speaker 4>even though they made up twenty five percent of the colony,

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<v Speaker 4>the Irish were ostracized in the settlement Need was fiercely Irish.

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<v Speaker 4>In eighteen sixty six, the idea of being Australian as

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<v Speaker 4>we knew it today didn't exist. The national identity didn't

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<v Speaker 4>truly start to form until Australians.

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<v Speaker 3>Diggs just knocked Overgs.

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<v Speaker 4>Has just knocked over a camera. I love it, stand

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<v Speaker 4>by everybody.

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<v Speaker 5>That's a problem because you've you've made sure you're the

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<v Speaker 5>favorite so much, Scott that now when you're here, he

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<v Speaker 5>just wants to play. And he said, why are you

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<v Speaker 5>sitting there looking at them and reading.

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<v Speaker 4>We're doing pats while we're telling stories, just in case

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<v Speaker 4>people can't see that, all right, So the national identity

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<v Speaker 4>of Australians didn't really become what it is that we

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<v Speaker 4>know today until Australian soldiers serving in the Boer War

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<v Speaker 4>in eighteen ninety eight and eighteen ninety nine banded together

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<v Speaker 4>and began to be known for their solidarity to each other.

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<v Speaker 4>The German soldiers that served with them had a word

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<v Speaker 4>which roughly meant to sit together to eat. They started

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<v Speaker 4>using this term mate to describe the Australian soldiers who

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<v Speaker 4>always seemed to stick together, and the idea of mate

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<v Speaker 4>ship began to bloom yeah after federation in nineteen oh one,

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<v Speaker 4>the idea of being Australian really started to solidify in

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<v Speaker 4>the culture. But in Ned's lifetime he never considered himself

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<v Speaker 4>an Australian really yep. As an aside, he would have

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<v Speaker 4>had a very strong Irish accent, it didn't sound like

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<v Speaker 4>an Australian and he didn't identify as in Australian, very Australian,

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<v Speaker 4>very Australian, sound like an Australian Rude. Ned was twelve

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<v Speaker 4>when his father died, and being the eldest son, he

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<v Speaker 4>had to leave school and take up his role as

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<v Speaker 4>the head of the family. Wow, the Kelley family started

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<v Speaker 4>to spend more time on the wrong side of the law.

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<v Speaker 4>A quote from the Banella Farmers and Squatter's Journal in

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<v Speaker 4>eighteen sixty nine, We're about to come to one of

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<v Speaker 4>my favorite names I've ever heard. And I checked this

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<v Speaker 4>four times. Make sure he is sure. I promise you.

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<v Speaker 3>I checked to make sure this really built this up.

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<v Speaker 4>I know. A quote from the Banella Farmers and Squads

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<v Speaker 4>Journal in October eighteen sixty nine said Ned Kelly answered

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<v Speaker 4>to the charge of robbery today from a Chinese person.

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<v Speaker 4>They didn't say Chinese person, but I said that.

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<v Speaker 1>Because that's what the cool way to describe him is today.

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<v Speaker 4>The man whose first name was Ah and his surname

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<v Speaker 4>was fwk Oh, okay, great name, great might like what

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<v Speaker 4>my champagne glasses. The man whose name was Ah Fook.

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<v Speaker 2>You're very grown up. Yeah, that's the only reason you.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't giggle when you said eighteen sixty.

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<v Speaker 4>Nine, he said Ned. He said Ned had stopped him

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<v Speaker 4>and stolen his purse, which contained ten shillings. The police

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<v Speaker 4>went to Ellen's home to arrest Ned, but he escaped

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<v Speaker 4>out the back of the house while Allan set two

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<v Speaker 4>vicious dogs loose on the police.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 4>Ned also spoke of this incident in the Jildary letter

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<v Speaker 4>which we're going to talk about, saying that he was

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<v Speaker 4>a free man and not shackled by the English law

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<v Speaker 4>of the colony. His defense to the charge was that

0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:20.240
<v Speaker 4>the Chinese man had approached their home and asked his

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:24.600
<v Speaker 4>sister for water. Ned's sister would not allow a person

0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:27.800
<v Speaker 4>with yellow skin to drink the family water, and so

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<v Speaker 4>offered in water from the creek.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, yep.

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<v Speaker 4>The man became angry at this slight, and he and

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:38.640
<v Speaker 4>Ned got into a small fight. Ned claimed the man

0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:41.080
<v Speaker 4>had run off after the fight and dropped his purse.

0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:44.360
<v Speaker 4>He was simply holding the purse until the man returned.

0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:48.399
<v Speaker 4>Sure Jan Ned gave the Ned gave the purse to

0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:52.240
<v Speaker 4>the police to return, although remarkably it was empty, and

0:24:52.400 --> 0:25:00.480
<v Speaker 4>Ned avoided a conviction. I did th think about that

0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:03.040
<v Speaker 4>if your champagn guys should say foreshadowing with a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of little music nights.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, beautiful as well, but.

0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:10.119
<v Speaker 2>I like the other one, my beautiful cut, beautiful catching.

0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:14.680
<v Speaker 4>One of Ned's companions was bush ranger Harry Power. It

0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:17.320
<v Speaker 4>was a fifty one year old high woman, and he

0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:19.480
<v Speaker 4>and Ned would stop and rob coaches together.

0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:21.200
<v Speaker 3>It's a pretty cool name for a bush ranger.

0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Also robin coaches and stuff like. It does feel cool

0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:27.640
<v Speaker 1>when it does sound cool.

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<v Speaker 4>In eighteen seventy, fifteen year old Ned and Harry were

0:25:31.119 --> 0:25:34.119
<v Speaker 4>caught by the police for a robbery. Ned was dismissed

0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:37.359
<v Speaker 4>on the charge because the witnesses could only identify Harry

0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:39.160
<v Speaker 4>Power and did not see Ned's face.

0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 3>So fifteen year old and a fifty one year old

0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:42.640
<v Speaker 3>are going about just.

0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:45.880
<v Speaker 4>Hanging out, Yeah, just hanging, just chilling, just robin.

0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Just Robing're not just chilling, just robin yep.

0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:50.679
<v Speaker 4>Neddi is said to have told his brothers that this

0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:53.320
<v Speaker 4>incident taught him to hide his face when undertaking criminal

0:25:53.359 --> 0:26:00.439
<v Speaker 4>like a bush. A few months later, ned was arrested

0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:06.800
<v Speaker 4>for stealing a horse. The horse name he was a horse.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, of course, of course, of course.

0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:14.840
<v Speaker 4>I like it. His defense was he could not have

0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 4>stolen the horse because he and his uncle had been

0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:21.640
<v Speaker 4>tending cattle. Yes, okay, at this time, the term tending

0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:28.440
<v Speaker 4>meant carstrating the young bulls young male cattle. Probably does. Yeah,

0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:34.400
<v Speaker 4>we're looking at you, mister Philip Island. The truth about

0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:37.640
<v Speaker 4>the incident was that there was a young woman, Missus McCormack,

0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:41.199
<v Speaker 4>who lived in the area. Ned's mother had been speaking

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:43.399
<v Speaker 4>at dinner a few minutes prior and said that the

0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:45.800
<v Speaker 4>mccormacks were having trouble conceiving a baby.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know where this is going.

0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:51.760
<v Speaker 4>Ned thought it would be hilarious to take a set

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:55.200
<v Speaker 4>of the car strated testicles, wrap them in a note

0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 4>for Missus McCormack definitely not on board, which offered her

0:26:57.800 --> 0:26:59.960
<v Speaker 4>the testicles to try in the place of her husb.

0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:03.560
<v Speaker 3>That is fucking disgusting, hilarious.

0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:06.879
<v Speaker 1>God, Yeah, I don't know about this. Ned. No, the

0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:07.640
<v Speaker 1>more I hear about this.

0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:08.760
<v Speaker 4>Need to you, I don't know if it's going to

0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:09.120
<v Speaker 4>turn out.

0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, I don't.

0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 4>He gave the package to a young boy and paid

0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 4>him a shilling to deliver it to the woman. The

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:22.120
<v Speaker 4>boy mistakenly delivered the package to mister McCormack.

0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 1>Maybe, yeah, okay, he didn't see it.

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:30.400
<v Speaker 4>He didn't see that. A lived to the wrong guy,

0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 4>and he was furious. The man went to the police

0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:35.879
<v Speaker 4>the next day to accuse Ned of stealing his horse.

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:41.040
<v Speaker 4>Ned said it must the worst. Ned said it must

0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:45.320
<v Speaker 4>have wondered off. Mister McCormack then challenged need to a

0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:52.480
<v Speaker 4>public fight. Tender commands, Yeah, fifteen sixteen?

0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 5>Sorry, would anyone older than a teenage boy thinks delivered

0:27:58.600 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 5>would be funny? Man?

0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:03.199
<v Speaker 1>Challenge to a fight? Yeah, bizarre, that is true.

0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:04.960
<v Speaker 3>He'd watched Hamilton.

0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:08.200
<v Speaker 4>Ned rode up to the fight on McCormack's horse.

0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Which his brother had stolen.

0:28:15.119 --> 0:28:19.119
<v Speaker 4>After Ned soundly beat him, McCormack returned to the police,

0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:22.359
<v Speaker 4>now with evidence that Ned had stolen the horse, was

0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:25.960
<v Speaker 4>charged with horse theft, and for the testical incident, he

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:29.400
<v Speaker 4>was charged with conduct unbecoming a man of the British Empire.

0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:31.400
<v Speaker 3>I agree with that.

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 4>It's a very excellent charge.

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:37.000
<v Speaker 1>So lucky.

0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 4>Ned's response in local court was he was a free

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 4>man and not a subject to the British Empire. However,

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:46.480
<v Speaker 4>he was found guilty on both counts and served six

0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 4>months three months reach charge.

0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:56.120
<v Speaker 1>My god, but have you seen that sasaurus Ny.

0:28:57.000 --> 0:29:00.520
<v Speaker 4>After serving his time, Ned walked out of jail and

0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 4>stole the horse that was in the main street to

0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:08.880
<v Speaker 4>ride home. He was immediately arrested again. He said to

0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 4>the judge that as a free man, he believed the

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:12.480
<v Speaker 4>evidence against him was false.

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:14.600
<v Speaker 1>A magistrate, I am.

0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:20.800
<v Speaker 4>He was sentenced to three years. Eighteen year old Ned

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:24.000
<v Speaker 4>was released in eighteen seventy three. He got a job

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:26.600
<v Speaker 4>working in a saw mill and for a time became

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:30.000
<v Speaker 4>quite settled. He worked there for three years and became

0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 4>a foreman at twenty one. He was walking in the

0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 4>bush one day and he saw a wild bull. He

0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:39.680
<v Speaker 4>went home to gather some things and return, capturing the

0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 4>bull before taking it to the farm of a friend.

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 4>The farmer had the animal butchered and sold the meat.

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:50.760
<v Speaker 4>Father of father, farmer, James Whitey, came forward the next

0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 4>day to say that Ned had actually stolen the bull

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 4>from his land.

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, the apple never falls far from the tree,

0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:57.080
<v Speaker 3>does it.

0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:01.640
<v Speaker 1>No it does, it doesn't, No it doesn't. It's nice

0:30:01.680 --> 0:30:03.320
<v Speaker 1>to be supported to the boys got here.

0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:03.840
<v Speaker 4>It's true.

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:05.240
<v Speaker 1>No it doesn't, No, it doesn't.

0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:08.680
<v Speaker 4>James Whitey was a free English settler who near hated.

0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:12.760
<v Speaker 4>James had been gifted land by Victoria's governor, and ned

0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:15.280
<v Speaker 4>believed that because the English yoke over the colony was

0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:18.240
<v Speaker 4>a false rule, that the ownership of land by James

0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:21.720
<v Speaker 4>was invalid. This made the land wild, and therefore the bull.

0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Was also wild.

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 4>A local policeman, Flood was his name, was well known

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 4>to steal livestock. He was very good at it.

0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:32.240
<v Speaker 3>The cob.

0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:35.520
<v Speaker 4>It was said he stole the same horse four times

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:36.920
<v Speaker 4>and sold it for four different people.

0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 1>It's amazing for the man who saw the Eiffel Tower twice.

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:45.960
<v Speaker 5>Yes, smaller scale, but double the double the number of times.

0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 4>When I was growing up, there was the lake at

0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:53.160
<v Speaker 4>Yielden was dry for a long time up in northern Victoria,

0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:58.080
<v Speaker 4>and there was somebody selling land in the lake as

0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:04.880
<v Speaker 4>development land. Okay, so he saw the world ball. So

0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 4>the local policeman sold the horse four times to four

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 4>different people. Officer Floods stole one of the Kelly's family

0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:14.120
<v Speaker 4>horses and hid it in a barn on James Whitey's property.

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:15.880
<v Speaker 3>Hard do you steal a horse?

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 3>What's the Here we go, what's the best.

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:24.840
<v Speaker 4>This is going to be great, Sammy, whatever this is,

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 4>I'm looking forward to this. I'm leaning forward.

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:31.680
<v Speaker 3>What kind of cheese do you use to hide a horse?

0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:35.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Georgia. What sort of cheese you use

0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:36.240
<v Speaker 1>to a horse?

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:37.440
<v Speaker 3>Mask a pony?

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:42.120
<v Speaker 1>N one? Is that what you've written there?

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 4>That's a classic I did. I didn't actually, Oh see

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 4>if I weave it into the story? Yeah, what's that

0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 4>I just did? How do you get a bear to

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 4>come out of his cave? Come on? Bear? I did

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:56.960
<v Speaker 4>that joke wrong. It should have been what sort of

0:31:57.000 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 4>cheese do you need to get?

0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:00.600
<v Speaker 3>You can't all be perfect to get a.

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 4>Clean edited here. So, in response to his horse being stolen,

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 4>ned went to the barn on James White's property, stole

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:11.840
<v Speaker 4>all eleven horses inside, and sold them in another town. Wow.

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:13.760
<v Speaker 4>What he didn't know at the time was that the

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 4>man he sold the stolen horses too was an under

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:20.040
<v Speaker 4>cover policemen and Ned and his brother Dan were now

0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 4>officially wanted men. This is huge. In February eighteen seventy eight,

0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:29.360
<v Speaker 4>a constable Fitzpatrick was on his way to work when

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:32.400
<v Speaker 4>he saw Dan Kelly walking along the road. It's brother.

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:37.120
<v Speaker 4>He arrested Dan on site. Dan said he would agree

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 4>to go to jail, but first could he go home

0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:42.120
<v Speaker 4>because his mother had already prepared a meal for him

0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 4>to eat.

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 3>I also liked the I'll agree to go to jail, I'm.

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 4>Not sure I want, but the constable agreed, stop it.

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:55.960
<v Speaker 4>He did. They walked into Allen's house together, and the

0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 4>constable was surprised to see Ned, who everyone believed was

0:32:58.600 --> 0:32:59.080
<v Speaker 4>on the run.

0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:01.600
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 5>So he stitched his brother up as well. By bringing

0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:05.240
<v Speaker 5>the cop to his house.

0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:06.320
<v Speaker 2>He did a little bit hilarious.

0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:09.720
<v Speaker 4>A fight break out, A gun was fired, and Allan

0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:11.600
<v Speaker 4>hit the constable on the head with his shovel, knocking

0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:12.400
<v Speaker 4>him unconscious.

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:14.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, mom, please.

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 4>Know when he came to Ned was digging a bullet

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 4>out of the Constable's wrist, because if they had no bullet,

0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:21.000
<v Speaker 4>they had no proof.

0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:25.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh my, this hole just appeared in my wrist. But

0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:26.400
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how your honor.

0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 4>After he finished, Ned let the constable go, explaining that

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:31.840
<v Speaker 4>he should probably go back to town and say he'd

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:32.760
<v Speaker 4>fallen off his horse.

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 5>Oh wow, my god, this family man confortable.

0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 4>Fitzpatrick did not do this, and he returned to the

0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:44.480
<v Speaker 4>home with other policemen and arrested Alan Kelly and two

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:48.120
<v Speaker 4>of her daughters, ned Dan and their friends Steve Hart

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:50.800
<v Speaker 4>and Joe Byrne, avoided arrest by going on the run.

0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 5>Good, leave the girls behind, We'll just find for ourselves.

0:33:55.520 --> 0:33:59.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and one of the boys first. One of the

0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:04.480
<v Speaker 4>things in the in the Kelly folklore is that he

0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 4>only did what he did because of the way the

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:10.719
<v Speaker 4>cops treated his mother. But that's what happened. Yeah, and

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:13.480
<v Speaker 4>then he buged off so that he wouldn't get and

0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:15.000
<v Speaker 4>allowed his mother to get arrested.

0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Also, God, I don't know that, Kelly. I told you

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:18.719
<v Speaker 1>that about this guy.

0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:22.320
<v Speaker 4>Sure. In May ed robbed a young man of his horse,

0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:25.640
<v Speaker 4>watch and fourteen pounds. He and what the police were

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:29.040
<v Speaker 4>now calling the Kelly Gang committed many small robberies and

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:32.360
<v Speaker 4>held up several people over the next few months. Now

0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:34.360
<v Speaker 4>they were in the place called the border country. And

0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:36.359
<v Speaker 4>I've actually bought a map that's on the table there

0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:36.919
<v Speaker 4>between us.

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:39.200
<v Speaker 3>Good, let me grab it so.

0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:40.520
<v Speaker 4>That you guys can get an idea of what the

0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:43.800
<v Speaker 4>border country is. So for our international listeners or people

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 4>printed in color, yep, people that don't know Victoria very well. Technically,

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:50.400
<v Speaker 4>the Murray River is the border between Victoria and New

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:52.960
<v Speaker 4>South Wales and the towns on either side of it

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 4>are called the border country. So that's what we're talking about.

0:34:56.600 --> 0:35:00.040
<v Speaker 5>They owned area called the Wombat Rangers, which is a

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 5>lovely name.

0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 4>Is see wombats there? Because Australians are really good at

0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:05.520
<v Speaker 4>naming stuff.

0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 1>That's right.

0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 5>My favorite place name in Australia, well, no, sorry, I lie.

0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:12.480
<v Speaker 5>My favorite place name is in Tasmania called Eggs and

0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 5>Bacon Bay.

0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:15.319
<v Speaker 3>But I don't know why it's called that.

0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 5>But my favorite lazy place name is also in Tasmania,

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:22.839
<v Speaker 5>and it is there's a large bridge over the river

0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:27.239
<v Speaker 5>and the town is called Bridgewater Bridge later.

0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:30.200
<v Speaker 3>Bridge, Well, what can we see? Bridge water?

0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:31.879
<v Speaker 2>It's perfect, perfect.

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:34.520
<v Speaker 4>When we've had people here. Every time we have people here,

0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 4>they want to go and see the apostles. So you

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:38.480
<v Speaker 4>go down and so you drive through the town. So right,

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 4>what's this town called lawn. How do you know, Well,

0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:43.239
<v Speaker 4>there's the lawn Hotel. Yeah, exactly, and next to that's

0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:44.040
<v Speaker 4>the lawn fish tub.

0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:47.279
<v Speaker 1>Show the way.

0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:50.680
<v Speaker 4>So they rained the bush in what was called the

0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 4>Border country. This area stretches along the Murray, which is

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:56.640
<v Speaker 4>the border between New Southwest and Victoria. They traveled as

0:35:56.640 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 4>far south as Euroa and as far north as Geraldry.

0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:03.000
<v Speaker 4>In an effort to find them. The police set up

0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:04.560
<v Speaker 4>encampments at Stringy Buck.

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:07.440
<v Speaker 3>Creek another great name Oka. What kind of trees do

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:09.279
<v Speaker 3>you reckon? They had there. A kind of bark came

0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 3>off the trees.

0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:17.120
<v Speaker 4>Answer the question, show you working. There were four or

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:19.920
<v Speaker 4>five police at the camp. One day, Constable McIntire was

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:22.239
<v Speaker 4>at the camp cooking alone when he thought he heard

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 4>something in the bush. He looked about but found nothing

0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:28.080
<v Speaker 4>of concern. Later, two other men returned and they sat

0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:31.080
<v Speaker 4>around the campfire eating. They heard someone yell out, bailiff,

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:34.879
<v Speaker 4>throw up your hands. Three members of the Kelly gang

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:37.840
<v Speaker 4>stepped out of the bush. Ned was holding two rifles

0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:41.840
<v Speaker 4>and the other one were holding a gun each. Constable

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:44.920
<v Speaker 4>Lonigan ran from there towards the trees where his rifle

0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 4>was leaning. Ned turned and shot him in the temple.

0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:48.240
<v Speaker 3>Oh.

0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 4>Once he fell, Dan Kelly walked over and shot him again.

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:53.840
<v Speaker 4>Ned said, what a pity.

0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:56.239
<v Speaker 3>That fool ran Oh my god.

0:36:56.880 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 4>The gang tied up the other officers and took what

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 4>they wanted from the camp. Once it was done, he

0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 4>untied the man and said he would set them free.

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:06.879
<v Speaker 4>But it wasn't worth chasing him through the bush because let.

0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Me ask you this, he was quite hards the cop killer,

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 1>wasn't he.

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:12.160
<v Speaker 4>But that's this that was you know.

0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But like he killed quite a few cops in there.

0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:19.840
<v Speaker 4>He killed three. These are the main There was others

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 4>that were killed in the shootout that was at the

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:22.320
<v Speaker 4>start of the story.

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, yeah. It's just so interesting that we have

0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:27.360
<v Speaker 1>seen him as a hero.

0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 4>For lore and killed tolped me if you've heard this

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 4>story before, right, But he he shot three policemen and

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 4>then ran off into the bush.

0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:43.480
<v Speaker 1>There's nothing a little guy called Shrek one of her

0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:46.000
<v Speaker 1>please stop.

0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:48.200
<v Speaker 4>You please to continue. And he did call himself a

0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:54.920
<v Speaker 4>free man. Similarities at all? Is there no shrimp blood?

0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:57.399
<v Speaker 4>Shrek it's not a good color, and you shrimp, He'll

0:37:57.400 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 4>come to hell.

0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:07.799
<v Speaker 1>It's really quite nice. They're making a lord f word

0:38:09.000 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 1>far Quad.

0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:15.160
<v Speaker 4>Making an orange quarry of Lord far Quad and Robert

0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:17.120
<v Speaker 4>DeNiro Farwards.

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:22.200
<v Speaker 3>Oh well died. Sorry, Scott's having a moment.

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:23.319
<v Speaker 1>You broke me.

0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 4>Stop saying.

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Mister please, mister was my father, clef.

0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:42.759
<v Speaker 4>Okay, it's a good film. You're right. This story is

0:38:42.800 --> 0:38:43.600
<v Speaker 4>really about.

0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:47.320
<v Speaker 1>S when you really think about it. The big reveal

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:47.960
<v Speaker 1>at the end.

0:38:49.680 --> 0:39:03.719
<v Speaker 4>Cold Trail time, Oh dear. Before the Kelly kan could leave,

0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:06.000
<v Speaker 4>two other police returned to the camp and saw the scene.

0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:08.879
<v Speaker 4>They raised their guns and were immediately killed by need.

0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:11.920
<v Speaker 4>In the chaos, McIntyre jumped on a horse and rode

0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:14.680
<v Speaker 4>away as fast as he could. This incident became known

0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 4>as the murder at Stringing Buck Creek. Yes, McIntyre rode

0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 4>into town and returned with soldiers to find the campside,

0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:25.280
<v Speaker 4>but campsite burned and the bodies of the officers left

0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:28.600
<v Speaker 4>where they had been shot. A reward of two hundred

0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:31.360
<v Speaker 4>pounds was offered for information leading to the capture of

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:32.040
<v Speaker 4>the Kelly Gang.

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:34.319
<v Speaker 1>Two hundred pounds back, like that would be a lot

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 1>of money. Yeah, well, if we're talking.

0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:40.399
<v Speaker 5>About okay, so if I carry the two and then

0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:43.640
<v Speaker 5>divide by nine eighteen seventy three.

0:39:43.680 --> 0:39:45.560
<v Speaker 1>If the pound was going at two miles an hour

0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:47.880
<v Speaker 1>and it had to catch up to four miles an

0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:50.359
<v Speaker 1>hour over one hundred How much is that?

0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:51.080
<v Speaker 4>How likely is it?

0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:55.000
<v Speaker 3>I think it's yeah, it's a park was.

0:39:55.000 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 4>In your honor, so it was a lot. Anyway. A

0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:02.919
<v Speaker 4>reward of two hundred pounds was off of information leading

0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:04.840
<v Speaker 4>to the capture of the Kelly gang. Ned and his

0:40:04.960 --> 0:40:07.839
<v Speaker 4>gang disappeared into the Victorian bush who was said they

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:11.120
<v Speaker 4>knew the location of many Bushman's huts. They've been hiding

0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:14.920
<v Speaker 4>cashes of weapons and food around the area. Sounds like

0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:17.719
<v Speaker 4>something else as well, doesn't it. The papers called Kelly

0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 4>a most vindictive outlaws.

0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:22.280
<v Speaker 3>Beautiful thing to say, his most.

0:40:22.160 --> 0:40:25.719
<v Speaker 4>Vindictive, most dative. He's not behaving in the matter of

0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:27.760
<v Speaker 4>the British impart exactly.

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:29.239
<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you this Scot as well. At this

0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:34.680
<v Speaker 1>point there was no helmet at this point, was there?

0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 4>No? No, No, that's a long while.

0:40:36.600 --> 0:40:39.680
<v Speaker 1>She's so incredible as well. That is the most I

0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:41.319
<v Speaker 1>guess I'll tell you identify him.

0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:44.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah, So his response to being called that is

0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:47.160
<v Speaker 4>that in the Jerilledary letter was that he said he

0:40:47.200 --> 0:40:49.120
<v Speaker 4>was only hiding out until he found out if Allan

0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:52.640
<v Speaker 4>his mother was convicted of assaulting Fitzpatrick. If she was convicted,

0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:55.160
<v Speaker 4>he threatened to find and kill every man associated with

0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:58.920
<v Speaker 4>the conviction. Right Allen was found guilty and sentenced to

0:40:59.000 --> 0:40:59.560
<v Speaker 4>three years.

0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:04.440
<v Speaker 3>It's because she shot a police officer a bit, just

0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:06.239
<v Speaker 3>a bit, just in the wrist.

0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:08.440
<v Speaker 4>Allegedly because there was no bullet, no.

0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 3>Not allegedly.

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:11.480
<v Speaker 1>She was found guilty.

0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:15.760
<v Speaker 4>Police were now undertaking a full man hunt, with rumors

0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:17.920
<v Speaker 4>that the Calligang were heading to New South Wales. The

0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:20.480
<v Speaker 4>police and soldiers set up patrols on both sides of.

0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:21.080
<v Speaker 1>The Murray River.

0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:25.000
<v Speaker 4>One evening, a patrol on the New South Wales side

0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:28.200
<v Speaker 4>of the river came under fire. It turned out it

0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:30.160
<v Speaker 4>was a patrol on the Victorian side of the river

0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:31.000
<v Speaker 4>shooting at them.

0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh Desi Freman, Ned.

0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:36.439
<v Speaker 5>Ray didn't get that we were saying Dei Freman before

0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:38.920
<v Speaker 5>you thought we're talking about and now you brought him.

0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:41.000
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't reference him at all.

0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:46.319
<v Speaker 4>When when Ned heard about this incident, he wrote, I

0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:48.759
<v Speaker 4>kept them policing work, even getting them double pay for

0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:50.719
<v Speaker 4>their long hours, but they seemed to be ungrateful.

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:51.600
<v Speaker 3>Ned.

0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:54.839
<v Speaker 5>The correct use of English is those, not them. Come on,

0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:56.440
<v Speaker 5>this guy, couldn't get any worse.

0:41:57.320 --> 0:41:59.000
<v Speaker 4>I think your dog wants to come back inside La

0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:02.759
<v Speaker 4>Park and just during his dad. Okay. The reward for

0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:04.920
<v Speaker 4>the Kelly Gang was raised to five hundred pounds. In

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:09.960
<v Speaker 4>November eighteen seventy eight. A special law was also passed

0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:15.120
<v Speaker 4>in Parliament called the Victorian Felon's Apprehension Act, named the

0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:19.719
<v Speaker 4>Kelly Gang Ned, Dan, Joe Burn, Steve Hart, and made

0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:23.120
<v Speaker 4>them legal No Paul, no Paul, no Ringer. It made

0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:27.360
<v Speaker 4>them legal outlaws. This meant any common man could legally

0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:30.839
<v Speaker 4>shoot them. WHOA, if someone did shoot them, it would

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:33.240
<v Speaker 4>not be treated as assault or murder.

0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:36.240
<v Speaker 1>That's all interesting because that's like the Santa Claus robbery

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:38.440
<v Speaker 1>that when we spoke about that that it was like

0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:42.719
<v Speaker 1>a five thousand dollars reward. Any to any robber that

0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:45.319
<v Speaker 1>held up a bank, you'll be able to shoot them

0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:46.880
<v Speaker 1>and you get be rewarded.

0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:50.440
<v Speaker 4>And this law also imposed a fifteen year mandatory sentence

0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:53.760
<v Speaker 4>for anyone who was found to have aided the Kelly Gang. Wow,

0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:56.839
<v Speaker 4>so five thousand dollars reward ned. Kelley and his gang

0:42:56.880 --> 0:43:00.160
<v Speaker 4>made plans to rob a bank in Euroa arrived in

0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:03.960
<v Speaker 4>town at about three pm. The bank was closed, got

0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:06.799
<v Speaker 4>it putting that perfect yep. So Ned knocked on the door,

0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:08.120
<v Speaker 4>and when it was opened, he put a gun to

0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:10.440
<v Speaker 4>the clerk's head and forced his way inside, declaring, I

0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:11.320
<v Speaker 4>am Ned Kelly.

0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:14.920
<v Speaker 1>The gang would to identify yourself in a situation.

0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 4>The gang kept watch while Ned took around two thousand

0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:20.160
<v Speaker 4>pounds from the banks safe.

0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, wow, it could have.

0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:26.080
<v Speaker 4>Been more, But in front of the terrified clerk and manager,

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:28.960
<v Speaker 4>Ned counted out five hundred pounds and put it on

0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:31.359
<v Speaker 4>the counter, saying it was to help the government pay

0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:32.160
<v Speaker 4>their ransom.

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:34.560
<v Speaker 3>No, sorry, do not try to act like a good

0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:35.680
<v Speaker 3>guy in this situation.

0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:39.840
<v Speaker 4>Well, he's saying, here, government take this, yeah, yeah, exactly,

0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:42.920
<v Speaker 4>really being a good guy. The government's response was swift.

0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:45.160
<v Speaker 4>They sent more than fifty soldiers to guard banks in

0:43:45.200 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 4>the surrounding towns and employed local Aboriginal men to work

0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:51.640
<v Speaker 4>with them to hunt the gang. Steve Hart, one of

0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:54.080
<v Speaker 4>the Kelly gang, was known to dress up as a

0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:57.920
<v Speaker 4>woman and ride into town to gather information about the

0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:01.320
<v Speaker 4>police's movements.

0:44:01.680 --> 0:44:04.839
<v Speaker 2>Britain the height of Humor.

0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 1>And Shakespeare, it's in the bank, compete said.

0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:14.520
<v Speaker 4>No, he's just there in his helmet.

0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:17.879
<v Speaker 2>Everyone else going, what's a computer to be a funny skin?

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Some good stuff like that.

0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:23.760
<v Speaker 4>So one day, while undertaking this deception, Steve was stopped

0:44:23.760 --> 0:44:26.640
<v Speaker 4>by a group of shearers who said they were concerned

0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:29.920
<v Speaker 4>about a young lady riding alone, especially with dangerous men

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:33.640
<v Speaker 4>on the loose. Kelly Gang said that no, Steve was

0:44:33.719 --> 0:44:35.000
<v Speaker 4>dressed as a woman. Right.

0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:39.839
<v Speaker 5>I was lost in the humor of that thought.

0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:43.160
<v Speaker 4>So Steve, dressed as a woman, said I fear nothing

0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:45.479
<v Speaker 4>from them, and nor should they for me, and rode off.

0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:50.879
<v Speaker 4>In February eighteen seventy nine, the Kelly Gang rode into

0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:53.760
<v Speaker 4>the town of Gildry at around three pm on a Sunday.

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:58.600
<v Speaker 4>They went directly to the police station, captured the officers

0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:01.239
<v Speaker 4>and locked them in their cells. Oh my god, bull the.

0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we are not lording that. We don't like it.

0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:11.799
<v Speaker 4>We don't like that behavior, yeah to the police. The

0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:14.640
<v Speaker 4>cops up at three o'clock on the Sunday. They then

0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:16.879
<v Speaker 4>took control of the local hotel and had to wait

0:45:16.960 --> 0:45:18.600
<v Speaker 4>until Monday morning for the bank to open.

0:45:19.120 --> 0:45:20.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, last night's.

0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:25.080
<v Speaker 4>Late During the night, Ned had written a manifesto, and

0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:27.680
<v Speaker 4>he read sections of the manifesto to his hostages.

0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh how painful.

0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:34.959
<v Speaker 4>This fifty six page document became known as the Giraldry Letter.

0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:38.879
<v Speaker 5>Right when you were saying the Giraldary letter before, because

0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:40.360
<v Speaker 5>hadn't heard of that. I thought it meant like he

0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:43.520
<v Speaker 5>had written like open letters to the local newspapers.

0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:44.400
<v Speaker 2>That's quite interesting.

0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:48.120
<v Speaker 4>I wrote what people who have studied it since said,

0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:52.200
<v Speaker 4>is an insane fifty six page manifesto about manifest about

0:45:52.360 --> 0:45:55.040
<v Speaker 4>freedom and really why he's not guilty and all that.

0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:58.839
<v Speaker 4>So after they robbed the bank on Monday, Ned gave

0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:02.040
<v Speaker 4>the manifesto to the publican and made him promise to

0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:02.840
<v Speaker 4>have it published.

0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:05.759
<v Speaker 3>It was a public and not a publisher.

0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:10.040
<v Speaker 4>He got that wrong. The manifesto was never published and

0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:13.560
<v Speaker 4>the police were given it by the publican. In the

0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:17.400
<v Speaker 4>manifesto been released ever, like was not published, but it's available,

0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:20.040
<v Speaker 4>but you've got to a request for it. I forget

0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:25.759
<v Speaker 4>it in the manifesto. In the manifesto, Ned is it

0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:27.799
<v Speaker 4>pains to explain that he was a victim of the

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:30.160
<v Speaker 4>English yoke of law, which was a blight on his

0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:34.359
<v Speaker 4>country and something he did not accept. On the murder

0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 4>at stringing Bart Creek, he said, I never meant to

0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:39.440
<v Speaker 4>shoot Kenny, Kennedy Orlon Again, they could have saved their

0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:43.400
<v Speaker 4>own lives by laying down their arms. It cannot be

0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:46.160
<v Speaker 4>considered a brutal murder as it was simply a case

0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:46.880
<v Speaker 4>of survival.

0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:52.560
<v Speaker 5>It sounds like bloody that ice Raiders Alex pretty anyway

0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:54.399
<v Speaker 5>stopped American.

0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:56.560
<v Speaker 3>Politics a little bit. But he had a gun, so

0:46:56.600 --> 0:46:57.319
<v Speaker 3>we had to shoot him.

0:46:57.480 --> 0:47:00.399
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, even though we've been fighting for men to say

0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:01.239
<v Speaker 4>that he could have a gun.

0:47:01.400 --> 0:47:02.040
<v Speaker 3>Correct.

0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:05.600
<v Speaker 4>After the Jewildary incident, the reward for the capture of

0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:09.960
<v Speaker 4>Ned Kelly was increased to fifteen thousand pounds, who huge

0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:15.200
<v Speaker 4>amount of money. In June eighteen eighty, Aaron Shirt was

0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:19.719
<v Speaker 4>sitting inside his home when someone called him to come outside.

0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:22.120
<v Speaker 4>When he walked outside, Joe Byrne, a member of the

0:47:22.200 --> 0:47:24.120
<v Speaker 4>Kelly gang, immediately shot and killed him.

0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:28.920
<v Speaker 4>Joe killed Aaron because they had heard a rumor that

0:47:28.960 --> 0:47:32.480
<v Speaker 4>there were police hiding in his house. The rest of

0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:35.400
<v Speaker 4>the gang stepped out of hiding and started shooting at

0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:40.439
<v Speaker 4>the house. The police who were hiding inside escaped through

0:47:40.440 --> 0:47:43.400
<v Speaker 4>the back door because the Kelly gang didn't think to

0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:44.000
<v Speaker 4>walk around.

0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:44.839
<v Speaker 3>Oh my good.

0:47:45.719 --> 0:47:47.640
<v Speaker 4>Ned Kelly set fire to the house and the gang

0:47:47.680 --> 0:47:50.000
<v Speaker 4>waited and watched it burn to see if anyone came out.

0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Hell, he's a folk hero, George.

0:47:55.760 --> 0:47:56.880
<v Speaker 4>Why are you're looking at me like that?

0:47:57.560 --> 0:47:59.480
<v Speaker 3>Very angry.

0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:02.960
<v Speaker 4>In late June eighteen eighty, the station master at glen

0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:05.920
<v Speaker 4>Rowland was woken by a knock at his door. When

0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:09.759
<v Speaker 4>he opened it, Ned Kelly, brandishing a gun, asked him

0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:13.240
<v Speaker 4>to come to the station. When they arrived at the station,

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:15.759
<v Speaker 4>the station master saw at least ten men trying to

0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:18.960
<v Speaker 4>work out how to lift the tracks. Ned told the

0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:21.160
<v Speaker 4>station master to show the men how to remove the

0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:23.719
<v Speaker 4>track sections because there was a special train coming from

0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:26.160
<v Speaker 4>Melbourne that we need to intercept, the.

0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:28.239
<v Speaker 3>One carrying burken wills from Spencer Street Station.

0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:31.960
<v Speaker 1>That's correct, making it to the zoo on the first day.

0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:36.080
<v Speaker 4>The special train was filled with provisions, fresh horses, ammunitions

0:48:36.080 --> 0:48:38.400
<v Speaker 4>and soldiers who were coming to continue the hunt for

0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:39.000
<v Speaker 4>the Kelly Gang.

0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:41.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't like the term fresh horses.

0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:47.799
<v Speaker 4>Beautiful delicious fresh, Ned Ward and the station manager not

0:48:47.840 --> 0:48:50.960
<v Speaker 4>to signal the train. After their work was done, the

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:53.480
<v Speaker 4>gang retired to the James Hotel to wait for news

0:48:53.520 --> 0:48:57.440
<v Speaker 4>of the debailment. What Ned did not know is that

0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:00.319
<v Speaker 4>the station master's wife somehow got word to the train

0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:04.520
<v Speaker 4>and it stopped well before glenrow Yes, queen, yes, quel,

0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:07.080
<v Speaker 4>are we going to do with the young folcus?

0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:11.520
<v Speaker 2>That's skibbity, that's s gibbty.

0:49:11.840 --> 0:49:12.959
<v Speaker 1>That's good. That's good.

0:49:13.040 --> 0:49:19.440
<v Speaker 4>I just found bad. That sounded felt ugly? Man yuck? Okay.

0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:22.680
<v Speaker 4>The soldiers and police got off the train and walked

0:49:22.719 --> 0:49:26.640
<v Speaker 4>into Glen Rowe and quietly surrounding the hotel. At a signal,

0:49:26.680 --> 0:49:28.960
<v Speaker 4>the men started shooting into the hotel and the Cali

0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:31.520
<v Speaker 4>gang fired back. The son of the hotel owner was

0:49:31.520 --> 0:49:34.920
<v Speaker 4>shot but not killed. The shooting lasted over thirty minutes,

0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:40.560
<v Speaker 4>and once the shootout lasted over, whoa. And once the

0:49:40.600 --> 0:49:43.160
<v Speaker 4>shooting slid down, Ned sent the female owner of the

0:49:43.200 --> 0:49:45.640
<v Speaker 4>hotel out to tell the police that he would release

0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:49.920
<v Speaker 4>all the women and children before daybreak. True to their words,

0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:53.480
<v Speaker 4>sometime before sunrise, hostages started to leave the hotel. This

0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:56.239
<v Speaker 4>was a ruse which allowed Ned to sneak out of

0:49:56.239 --> 0:49:59.279
<v Speaker 4>the hotel, get into the armor he had hidden in

0:49:59.360 --> 0:50:02.520
<v Speaker 4>the scrub, and surprised the soldiers from behind.

0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:08.800
<v Speaker 3>How did he manage to sneak out.

0:50:07.600 --> 0:50:09.200
<v Speaker 4>The back door because they also forgot to go.

0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:11.160
<v Speaker 3>Everyone's just forgetting to go to the back door.

0:50:14.320 --> 0:50:16.359
<v Speaker 1>A film there.

0:50:19.040 --> 0:50:20.920
<v Speaker 4>The police were shocked when a figure stepped out of

0:50:20.920 --> 0:50:23.640
<v Speaker 4>the fog behind them. He was wearing a metal breastplate,

0:50:24.160 --> 0:50:29.160
<v Speaker 4>shoulder armor and an iron helmet. The police started, yeah.

0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:33.160
<v Speaker 3>That was now, that was the armor. You never would

0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:34.000
<v Speaker 3>have guessed.

0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:36.120
<v Speaker 4>And there was. I haven't written it out in full

0:50:36.160 --> 0:50:39.000
<v Speaker 4>detail here, but there were several reports in the local

0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:43.040
<v Speaker 4>area of plows being stolen over the months prior to

0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:46.640
<v Speaker 4>this this standoff at glen Rowan plows like a plow

0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:51.200
<v Speaker 4>to plow the field, you know, And so that's that,

0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:53.279
<v Speaker 4>that's the metal that they used to make their own,

0:50:54.480 --> 0:50:56.839
<v Speaker 4>stole them flowers and beat down the metal to turn

0:50:56.840 --> 0:51:01.040
<v Speaker 4>it into my god. So he was wearing a metal breastplate,

0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:03.840
<v Speaker 4>shoulder armor and an iron helmet. The police started shooting,

0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:07.719
<v Speaker 4>but the bullets bounced off Ned Ned's armor. Wegh forty

0:51:07.719 --> 0:51:13.080
<v Speaker 4>four kilos Diggs, it's about that Dick's worth. At one

0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:15.239
<v Speaker 4>point a policeman noticed Ned did not appear to have

0:51:15.280 --> 0:51:18.240
<v Speaker 4>any armor on his legs, and he called out shoot

0:51:18.280 --> 0:51:21.040
<v Speaker 4>the legs, to which Ned yelled, don't do.

0:51:21.080 --> 0:51:24.200
<v Speaker 1>That, Yeah, don't do that.

0:51:25.120 --> 0:51:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Please, don't do that something.

0:51:31.200 --> 0:51:33.640
<v Speaker 4>Ned was hit by multiple shots and staggered and then

0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:37.680
<v Speaker 4>fell yelling out I'm done. Ned was taken into custody

0:51:38.000 --> 0:51:41.040
<v Speaker 4>while other officers kept firing at Joe Stephen Dan, who

0:51:41.080 --> 0:51:44.879
<v Speaker 4>was still inside the hotel. Paul call, Dan Kelly, Joe Byrne,

0:51:44.920 --> 0:51:46.840
<v Speaker 4>and Steve Hart were all shot dead in the gunfight.

0:51:48.000 --> 0:51:52.120
<v Speaker 4>Ned Kelly's helmet showed at least five bullet strikes when

0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:55.279
<v Speaker 4>he was arrested. Kelly was twenty six years old. Oh

0:51:55.400 --> 0:51:57.680
<v Speaker 4>my god, twenty six.

0:51:57.800 --> 0:51:59.040
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was much older than that.

0:51:59.440 --> 0:52:02.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, well it would be older if he was

0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:03.920
<v Speaker 3>still alive today. That's probably what you're thinking.

0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:06.320
<v Speaker 1>His brother, Paul Kelly, still sings in a very famous

0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:07.160
<v Speaker 1>band to this day.

0:52:07.840 --> 0:52:09.080
<v Speaker 4>They don't sing any songs about it.

0:52:09.160 --> 0:52:11.240
<v Speaker 1>No, no, he doesn't talk.

0:52:11.120 --> 0:52:13.600
<v Speaker 4>Famously, doesn't talk about me. That is very interesting.

0:52:13.840 --> 0:52:16.880
<v Speaker 5>Don't talk about Is that what to make gravy? Is

0:52:16.920 --> 0:52:18.239
<v Speaker 5>that the brother who talks about Ned?

0:52:18.480 --> 0:52:19.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:20.279
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I never realized that.

0:52:20.800 --> 0:52:22.719
<v Speaker 4>Although it does say hello Dan, it's Joe here and

0:52:22.760 --> 0:52:23.839
<v Speaker 4>either of those names in Ned.

0:52:23.920 --> 0:52:28.560
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, it's called changing creative license.

0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:30.720
<v Speaker 4>I've never done that. Ryni a wook or nothing.

0:52:30.800 --> 0:52:33.160
<v Speaker 3>Ye, yeah, no you haven't.

0:52:34.160 --> 0:52:37.320
<v Speaker 4>Ned was tried and found guilty. The Jewel jury deliberated

0:52:37.320 --> 0:52:41.320
<v Speaker 4>for thirty minutes, talked before returning the verdict. The judge

0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:43.839
<v Speaker 4>sentenced him to death, saying God, have mercy on your soul.

0:52:44.680 --> 0:52:47.479
<v Speaker 4>Ned replied, keep your mercy. I'll see you where I'm going.

0:52:48.400 --> 0:52:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, seven.

0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:56.600
<v Speaker 5>Least he knows he's going to oh.

0:52:56.760 --> 0:52:59.319
<v Speaker 4>On November eleventh, thirteen eighty neg Kelly was hanged at

0:52:59.320 --> 0:53:03.600
<v Speaker 4>Pintridge Prison. Folklore says his final words were such as life.

0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:05.200
<v Speaker 3>Why do you say folk law?

0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:10.399
<v Speaker 1>Why do you say folklore? Explain your mind clean? Let's

0:53:11.120 --> 0:53:11.720
<v Speaker 1>say folklore.

0:53:12.640 --> 0:53:13.000
<v Speaker 4>We got it.

0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:14.520
<v Speaker 3>I don't like having two men in the room.

0:53:14.760 --> 0:53:16.440
<v Speaker 1>We got it, got one outside.

0:53:16.600 --> 0:53:19.480
<v Speaker 4>In fact, what is officially recorded as his final words

0:53:19.560 --> 0:53:21.600
<v Speaker 4>is oh well, I suppose it has come to this.

0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:24.919
<v Speaker 4>A reporter from the Argus who is at the execution

0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:28.279
<v Speaker 4>wrote the words more sinctly for the paper, and it

0:53:28.360 --> 0:53:30.960
<v Speaker 4>was actually him that coined the phrase such his.

0:53:31.040 --> 0:53:33.760
<v Speaker 3>Life, Oh my god, So all those.

0:53:34.280 --> 0:53:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Football if Ben Cousins regrets that Ben Cousins regrets a

0:53:41.120 --> 0:53:41.560
<v Speaker 1>lot of things.

0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Now that says no regrets he has.

0:53:45.600 --> 0:53:47.520
<v Speaker 4>On the other side, it says, oh well, I suppose

0:53:47.560 --> 0:53:48.359
<v Speaker 4>it has come to this.

0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:51.240
<v Speaker 2>Because that's what he actually said as an asterix.

0:53:52.520 --> 0:53:55.080
<v Speaker 4>Not nearly as cool as such as life, right, but

0:53:55.120 --> 0:53:55.919
<v Speaker 4>he never said it.

0:53:56.520 --> 0:53:57.080
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:53:58.320 --> 0:54:02.720
<v Speaker 4>So after his execution, Ned's body remained suspended for thirty minutes.

0:54:03.360 --> 0:54:05.680
<v Speaker 4>This was the requirement at the time to ensure the

0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:06.520
<v Speaker 4>prisoner was dead.

0:54:06.960 --> 0:54:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow.

0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:09.640
<v Speaker 4>He was then wheeled across the yard to the Dead House.

0:54:10.160 --> 0:54:11.200
<v Speaker 3>A nice name for a house.

0:54:11.760 --> 0:54:14.200
<v Speaker 2>How did they name that same the way they named Bridgewater?

0:54:14.760 --> 0:54:18.040
<v Speaker 4>That's right. The bag covering his face was removed and

0:54:18.160 --> 0:54:20.880
<v Speaker 4>Kelly's figures had not been disfigured by the hanging. He

0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:23.960
<v Speaker 4>was described as having a placid expression and his eyes

0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:27.759
<v Speaker 4>were bright. The governor allowed a death mask to be

0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:33.040
<v Speaker 4>made from plaster. Wax works owner Max Krechmeyer shaved Kelly's

0:54:33.040 --> 0:54:36.320
<v Speaker 4>head and beard to make the mask. He made several

0:54:36.360 --> 0:54:39.360
<v Speaker 4>copies and had one hanging for many years in his

0:54:39.480 --> 0:54:41.440
<v Speaker 4>waxworks on Burke Street in Melbourne.

0:54:41.480 --> 0:54:41.879
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow.

0:54:42.840 --> 0:54:49.160
<v Speaker 4>After the mask was casts, so yes, mister mister. And

0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:52.160
<v Speaker 4>if you go to the old Molturne jail in in

0:54:52.200 --> 0:54:55.040
<v Speaker 4>Victoria there they're still they've got one of the death

0:54:55.080 --> 0:54:59.239
<v Speaker 4>masks there. After the mask was cast, Ned's body was

0:54:59.280 --> 0:55:02.520
<v Speaker 4>talking taken to Melbourne University, where the head was severed

0:55:02.520 --> 0:55:04.279
<v Speaker 4>from the body so that the contents of the head

0:55:04.280 --> 0:55:07.759
<v Speaker 4>could be examined. An article in the Herald described the

0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:12.279
<v Speaker 4>treatment of Ned's body. The body was given over after

0:55:12.320 --> 0:55:15.080
<v Speaker 4>the execution to the medical men, and a nice mess

0:55:15.120 --> 0:55:18.279
<v Speaker 4>I am told they made of it. The students particularly

0:55:18.320 --> 0:55:21.240
<v Speaker 4>went in heavily taking a part his body and generally

0:55:21.320 --> 0:55:25.400
<v Speaker 4>examining every organ. It was a ghastly site, indeed, hardly

0:55:25.440 --> 0:55:28.600
<v Speaker 4>ever paralleled. I am told that portions of the corpse

0:55:28.640 --> 0:55:31.960
<v Speaker 4>are now in nearly every curiosity cabinet in Melbourne medical

0:55:32.000 --> 0:55:36.120
<v Speaker 4>men's places. The skull was taken possession of by one gentleman,

0:55:36.719 --> 0:55:40.000
<v Speaker 4>and it is possible that he may hereafter enlighten us

0:55:40.040 --> 0:55:45.520
<v Speaker 4>on the peculiarities of the great criminal's brain. H So

0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:47.280
<v Speaker 4>basically what they're saying is.

0:55:47.600 --> 0:55:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Go second that for George.

0:55:50.480 --> 0:55:52.359
<v Speaker 4>What they're saying is they made a ghastly mess about

0:55:52.360 --> 0:55:55.280
<v Speaker 4>and chopped him to pieces, and all of the students

0:55:55.280 --> 0:55:57.120
<v Speaker 4>who were there took a little souvenir of him, and

0:55:57.120 --> 0:56:00.720
<v Speaker 4>there's probably all over Melbourne. And one of the doctors

0:56:00.719 --> 0:56:01.360
<v Speaker 4>took his skull.

0:56:02.680 --> 0:56:04.919
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I did hear you, I would stand by

0:56:04.960 --> 0:56:06.640
<v Speaker 5>my original moment.

0:56:08.600 --> 0:56:10.279
<v Speaker 4>The next morning, his body was taken back to the

0:56:10.320 --> 0:56:13.480
<v Speaker 4>prison and placed in a coffin. The common practice at

0:56:13.480 --> 0:56:15.560
<v Speaker 4>the time was to fill the coffin with a quicklime

0:56:15.920 --> 0:56:19.719
<v Speaker 4>to speed decomposition. However, the governor stated, had given the

0:56:19.719 --> 0:56:21.560
<v Speaker 4>state of the corpse and the hot summer ahead, it

0:56:21.600 --> 0:56:25.480
<v Speaker 4>will be not required in Nick Kelly's case. I'm telling

0:56:25.480 --> 0:56:31.640
<v Speaker 4>you this for a reason. Trust me, Trust me, self

0:56:31.680 --> 0:56:34.760
<v Speaker 4>proclaimed phrenologist Archibald Hamilton.

0:56:35.239 --> 0:56:39.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh, great night. Yeah, it just doesn't quite have the

0:56:39.480 --> 0:56:40.120
<v Speaker 3>right syllables.

0:56:40.239 --> 0:56:43.040
<v Speaker 4>I still that's right. He could have been a dentist.

0:56:43.120 --> 0:56:44.440
<v Speaker 4>But then I've sung too much.

0:56:48.960 --> 0:56:49.840
<v Speaker 3>Really wants to forget.

0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:55.920
<v Speaker 4>You have a talent for causing pain.

0:56:58.000 --> 0:57:00.440
<v Speaker 5>It's going to be the name of my second memohile,

0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:01.880
<v Speaker 5>you have a talent for course.

0:57:04.960 --> 0:57:05.040
<v Speaker 1>So.

0:57:05.480 --> 0:57:08.680
<v Speaker 4>Self proclaimed phrenologist Archibald Hamilton had been following the murder

0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:13.279
<v Speaker 4>troll of Ned Kelly with interest. Phrenology, the study of

0:57:13.360 --> 0:57:17.720
<v Speaker 4>science of studying a person's personality based on the shape, curvature,

0:57:17.760 --> 0:57:21.160
<v Speaker 4>and significant landmarks of the head oh was a common

0:57:21.240 --> 0:57:25.040
<v Speaker 4>and popular study at the time of Ned's death. Many

0:57:25.080 --> 0:57:27.600
<v Speaker 4>people in the eighteen eighties strongly believed in the method

0:57:28.320 --> 0:57:31.320
<v Speaker 4>there were stories of men having their potential brides assessed

0:57:31.440 --> 0:57:33.280
<v Speaker 4>for suitability by phrenologists.

0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:38.720
<v Speaker 5>It's a different thing than I thought when people say

0:57:38.760 --> 0:57:42.000
<v Speaker 5>they want to just check the woman's head before Sorry.

0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, that's so sorry.

0:57:44.000 --> 0:57:46.080
<v Speaker 3>There, and I had to say it. I'm really sorry.

0:57:46.240 --> 0:57:47.920
<v Speaker 4>I thought reading that line, you'd pick up and read

0:57:47.920 --> 0:57:48.640
<v Speaker 4>your champaign glass.

0:57:48.640 --> 0:57:51.120
<v Speaker 2>To be honest, a dirty joc.

0:57:52.640 --> 0:57:54.960
<v Speaker 4>So they had their potential brid's assessed for suitability by

0:57:55.000 --> 0:57:59.360
<v Speaker 4>phrenologists before committing to marriage. The practice has also been

0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:03.400
<v Speaker 4>cited and this is disgusting by the British government, as

0:58:03.560 --> 0:58:07.280
<v Speaker 4>proof that Aboriginal people could not become civilized and that

0:58:07.320 --> 0:58:11.080
<v Speaker 4>the European skull bore serious marks of superiority.

0:58:11.360 --> 0:58:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh gross gross.

0:58:13.240 --> 0:58:16.560
<v Speaker 4>Phrenologists would also often state the shape of a woman's

0:58:16.600 --> 0:58:20.040
<v Speaker 4>skull suggested a person far more suitable to occupy the

0:58:20.080 --> 0:58:23.680
<v Speaker 4>sphere of the home, and not business occupations that required

0:58:23.680 --> 0:58:24.480
<v Speaker 4>a sharper mind.

0:58:24.800 --> 0:58:27.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, thank you. I hate it. I hate it.

0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:33.720
<v Speaker 4>Thank you. As well as providing phrenology services, Archibald Hamilton

0:58:33.840 --> 0:58:39.320
<v Speaker 4>was an activist against capital punishment. He had established two lectures.

0:58:39.760 --> 0:58:42.600
<v Speaker 4>He had published two lectures on the topic, and reportedly

0:58:42.640 --> 0:58:45.680
<v Speaker 4>headed a group called the Society for the Abolition of

0:58:45.680 --> 0:58:50.520
<v Speaker 4>Capital Punishment. In eighteen eighty, the Society for the Abolition

0:58:50.640 --> 0:58:54.360
<v Speaker 4>of Capital Punishment had two members, Archworld and his wife.

0:58:54.520 --> 0:58:57.040
<v Speaker 3>Can we call a society just a married couple?

0:58:57.960 --> 0:58:58.720
<v Speaker 1>Whole society?

0:58:58.920 --> 0:59:05.600
<v Speaker 4>I like it. But after ned was sentenced, Archibald Hamilton

0:59:05.640 --> 0:59:09.120
<v Speaker 4>met with Ned Kelly's solicitor, his brother and sister, and

0:59:09.160 --> 0:59:14.040
<v Speaker 4>his cousin and formed a reprieve committee for interest. This

0:59:14.120 --> 0:59:17.360
<v Speaker 4>meeting occurred at the Robert Burns Hotel in Smith Street, Collingwood.

0:59:17.400 --> 0:59:19.439
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, really, oh my god.

0:59:19.880 --> 0:59:22.720
<v Speaker 4>And that's not called Burns Hotel, called the Robbie Burns,

0:59:22.840 --> 0:59:23.920
<v Speaker 4>called the Hotel Colinwood.

0:59:24.040 --> 0:59:26.360
<v Speaker 1>There you go, but it was Robie.

0:59:29.360 --> 0:59:32.680
<v Speaker 4>On November fifth, Archibald Hamilton held a public meeting calling

0:59:32.720 --> 0:59:36.280
<v Speaker 4>for clemency in the case of Ned Kelly. He opened

0:59:36.280 --> 0:59:39.200
<v Speaker 4>the meeting saying, I'm glad to act because he didn't

0:59:39.200 --> 0:59:41.439
<v Speaker 4>think he should be put to death. That's why, because

0:59:41.440 --> 0:59:42.760
<v Speaker 4>he didn't believe in capital punishment.

0:59:42.840 --> 0:59:45.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but that doesn't mean clemency surely, Well.

0:59:45.320 --> 0:59:48.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, clemency to have a change from death to life imprisonment.

0:59:49.000 --> 0:59:53.160
<v Speaker 3>That's a bit late, bab, a bit late late bab.

0:59:54.320 --> 0:59:56.640
<v Speaker 4>You're on record, by the line in several podcasts saying

0:59:56.680 --> 0:59:58.680
<v Speaker 4>you think people shouldn't get no.

0:59:58.760 --> 1:00:00.440
<v Speaker 3>I agree with that. I'm saying a bit it's a

1:00:00.440 --> 1:00:00.760
<v Speaker 3>bit late.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about a.

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<v Speaker 4>Bit late, Bub, and he done some bad stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You've done bad ship, bad on your boys.

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<v Speaker 4>I should bring a bit late. Archibald Hamilton opened the

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<v Speaker 4>meeting saying I'm glad to act as a chairman, not

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<v Speaker 4>merely on behalf of Edward Kelly, but as advocate for

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<v Speaker 4>the abolishment of capital punishment. Archibald then listened while ned

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<v Speaker 4>solicitor gave an account of Kelly's life and circumstances. Archibald

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<v Speaker 4>then concluded by saying, this meeting, having considered all the

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<v Speaker 4>circumstances of Edward Kelly's case, believes it is one fit

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<v Speaker 4>for the exercise of the royal prerogative of mercy, and

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<v Speaker 4>therefore earnestly presses he's excellently the Governor to favorably regard

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<v Speaker 4>the prayer of this meeting, namely that the life of

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<v Speaker 4>the prisoner be spared.

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<v Speaker 3>Before after he died. Yeah, I can understand my confusion.

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<v Speaker 1>All a bit late, Bub.

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<v Speaker 4>The Governor was not swayed and ned Kelly was not No,

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<v Speaker 4>this was just before sorry, it was after his sentencing,

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<v Speaker 4>before his hang on not to lay bor not to.

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<v Speaker 4>The governor was not swayed. Ned was not granted a reprieve,

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<v Speaker 4>as we know, and this put Archie Belt in an

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<v Speaker 4>awkward position because as well as calling for a reprieve,

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<v Speaker 4>he wanted to seek permission to examine the living head

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<v Speaker 4>of Ned Kelly.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so weird.

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<v Speaker 4>If you didn't like the term fresh horses, how do

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<v Speaker 4>you feel about the term living.

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<v Speaker 3>Living examine the living head.

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<v Speaker 4>He wanted to seek permission to examine the living head

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<v Speaker 4>of This permission was not granted. However, he was given

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<v Speaker 4>access to examine Kelly's death mask.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, Yes, exactly the same.

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<v Speaker 4>A quote from his report, Sir, the outline which I

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<v Speaker 4>propose to give of the character of Edward Kelly is

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<v Speaker 4>drawn entirely from phrenological data. I had no previous knowledge

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<v Speaker 4>before the examination of his head, and I trust that

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<v Speaker 4>the public and especially the authorities of the law, may

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<v Speaker 4>give due consideration to the character herein drawn in strict

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<v Speaker 4>accordance with phrenological science.

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<v Speaker 1>You, sir.

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<v Speaker 4>He goes on to outline the measurements of Ned Kelly's

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<v Speaker 4>skull before saying these measurements to the phrenologist are remarkable.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>His head is scarcely medium size for so big a man.

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<v Speaker 1>Rude, thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>The measurement from caution to caution is fully an inch

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<v Speaker 4>less than it should be in a well proportioned head,

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<v Speaker 4>and in the moral region there is a deficiency of

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<v Speaker 4>one inch. Therefore, in circumspection and in moral regulating power

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<v Speaker 4>there is a marked deficiency, while there is a woeful

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<v Speaker 4>lack of development in those organs which give reflective judgment

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<v Speaker 4>and stability to character.

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<v Speaker 3>This is by measuring a death mask.

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<v Speaker 4>That bumps on his head. That's right, it's science. Excuse man.

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<v Speaker 4>His language would be fair, but it would be remembered

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<v Speaker 4>pompous or passionate. He could take from the rich and

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<v Speaker 4>give to the poor, as long as the latter deferred

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<v Speaker 4>to him as the cleverest man in the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Did he ever give to the poor.

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<v Speaker 4>No, he took from the poor from everyone he was

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<v Speaker 4>the poor. Yeah, Power, praise, freedom and money were equally

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<v Speaker 4>valued by him, and his acts, which had the appearance

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<v Speaker 4>of charity, were dictated by vanity. His smile in death

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<v Speaker 4>was a result of active hope, self esteem, and firmness.

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<v Speaker 4>He was so impressed with a sense of his own

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<v Speaker 4>importance and buoyed up by a false hope, that he

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<v Speaker 4>entertained no fear of future punishment. To sum up in

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<v Speaker 4>a sentence, his brain is abnormally wide at the base,

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<v Speaker 4>tapers narrowly towards his self esteeming crown, and is retreating

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<v Speaker 4>at the upper region of the forehead is remarkably broadened

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<v Speaker 4>deep over the eyebrows, and though it is rounded over

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<v Speaker 4>the coronal surface by large hope and fair venteration, it

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<v Speaker 4>is in the moral region deplorably low.

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<v Speaker 5>Deplorably low is my opinion of Archibald hamilted well.

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<v Speaker 4>Remarkably, Archibald's assessment of Ned Kelly based purely on the

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<v Speaker 4>science of phrenology, and has he said, without any previous

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<v Speaker 4>knowledge of the prisoner, was almost exactly aligned with the

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<v Speaker 4>narrative he had heard from ned solicitor at a public meeting.

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<v Speaker 3>Change, isn't that weird?

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<v Speaker 4>Crazy?

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<v Speaker 3>I hate this guy.

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<v Speaker 4>There's not anybody to like in this story. There really isn't.

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<v Speaker 1>And Shrek apart from.

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<v Speaker 4>Shrek, let's get back to Shrek. My clickboard just betrayed me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Ned. Kelly was buried in an unmarked grave inside Penridge Prison.

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<v Speaker 4>In nineteen twenty nine, renovation works were begun to convert

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<v Speaker 4>the defunct Pentridge Prison into a similar into the Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 1>Ja Correct which it is famous.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not Champagne next time.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, you know you're having a lot of time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very weird though that that they still do like

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<v Speaker 1>ghost tours and everything at Penridge.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but it is yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The as well, Yes, isn't it our apartments.

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<v Speaker 1>Cinema into I j and oh look at you roes

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<v Speaker 1>as well Centura.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a there's a there's a section that hasn't been

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<v Speaker 4>that's where they do the ghost tours.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a section that hasn't been done and he's still

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<v Speaker 1>They've got like a wine bar and everything there now.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's like the old facade is quite beautiful. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all the way around. It's still quite nice working building.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just yeah, I actually sis.

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<v Speaker 4>Written the wrong jail here. So was buried in an

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<v Speaker 4>unmarked grave inside Old Melbourne Jae. Oh okay right yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it makes more sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, he was hanged at Pendridge but buried at Old Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 4>He was hanged at both both Yeah, just both. It's

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<v Speaker 4>a it was a It was all at old Melbourne Jail.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So nine nine, renovation works began to convert the defunct

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<v Speaker 4>prison into the Melbourne Central Police Station. All the graves

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<v Speaker 4>on site had to be exhumed. The contractor, Harry Lee,

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<v Speaker 4>was assured that because the prisoners were always buried with quicklime,

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<v Speaker 4>it was very unlikely there would be any bones remaining.

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<v Speaker 4>But he wasn't right, you did you?

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<v Speaker 3>I was listening job.

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<v Speaker 4>But when he struck the remains of a coffin in

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<v Speaker 4>a grave that was marked e K, he was surprised

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<v Speaker 4>that an almost complete skeleton remained. Wow Onlookers, believing this

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<v Speaker 4>was near Kelly's grave, rush to the site and grabbed

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<v Speaker 4>what they could ew Henry Lee jumped into the grave

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<v Speaker 4>and snatched the skull before anyone else could.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, why before what else could?

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<v Speaker 4>If anyone else could?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, sure, no for the questions.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, that's why when pleas were made to the public

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<v Speaker 4>to return this even years, everything including the skull, was returned.

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<v Speaker 4>The skull remained in the Australian Institute of Anatomy until

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<v Speaker 4>the nineteen seventies when it was sent back to the

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<v Speaker 4>Old Melbourne Jail to be displayed with Kelly's death mask

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<v Speaker 4>and helmet. Then in nineteen seventy nine, a skull which

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<v Speaker 4>was on display and marked as ned Kelly's, was stolen

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<v Speaker 4>and by some means, came into the possession of Tom

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<v Speaker 4>Baxter need Kelly enthusiasts. He described keeping the skull safe

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<v Speaker 4>in a tuperway container.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, container's bizarre.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, we're really not expecting that.

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<v Speaker 4>What in a tuperway container that he hid in a

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<v Speaker 4>hollow log on his property in Western Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>What going on to Western Australia. That's crazy as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep yep. So on November eleventh, two thousand and nine,

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<v Speaker 4>which is the anniversary of Kelly's hanging, Tom Baxter decided

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<v Speaker 4>it was time to hand the skull over to the

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<v Speaker 4>Australian government. The way the skull had been stored in

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<v Speaker 4>a tupperware in Polo Loshness meant that DNA was almost

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<v Speaker 4>impossible to draw. The forensic team put out a national

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<v Speaker 4>call for any artifacts which might exist from the exhumation.

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<v Speaker 4>In nineteen twenty nine, local man Chris Ott came forward

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<v Speaker 4>with a photo of his grandfather Act the Exhumation sight

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<v Speaker 4>in nineteen twenty nine, holding Kelly's.

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<v Speaker 3>Skull more like Chris Odd.

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<v Speaker 4>I see what she did then?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Remarkably, he also had a tooth that he believed had

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<v Speaker 4>been taken from the skull.

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<v Speaker 3>People are weird.

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<v Speaker 4>The tooth matched the skull, the tooth still contained DNA

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<v Speaker 4>and this was compared to that of a living Kelly

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<v Speaker 4>relative approved beyond doubt that the skull stolen from the

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<v Speaker 4>old male in jail in the nineteen seventies and returned

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<v Speaker 4>by Tom Baxter was not the skull of Nick Kelly.

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<v Speaker 5>So this man has had a skull in a top

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<v Speaker 5>ware contained one famous one, that's right, And the old

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<v Speaker 5>Melbourne jail had a skull on display that wasn't engraved.

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<v Speaker 4>To say it was Nick Kelly's, that wasn't Nick Kelly.

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<v Speaker 4>To date, Kelly's skull has never been found. However, some

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<v Speaker 4>forensic team suggests the skull was probably swapped by a

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<v Speaker 4>professor when Ned's body was initially examined by Melbourne University

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<v Speaker 4>right after his hanging in eighteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder why would the point of that to keep.

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<v Speaker 4>The skull sure's famous?

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<v Speaker 1>In that yeah, but for it to never be discovered

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<v Speaker 1>even now, Yeah, that's very strange.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a scott Reckons, but I reckon it's probably

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<v Speaker 4>in somebody's medical collection somewhere something and it's not labeled.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, So they've just got no idea that that's whose

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<v Speaker 4>skull it was. What they found was this was actually

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<v Speaker 4>the skull of another prisoner who had been examined at

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<v Speaker 4>Melburn University at the same time as Kelly was exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why they think that they were swapped at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't agree with that.

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<v Speaker 5>If I found out that the skull I've got my

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<v Speaker 5>freezer is not my skull, which I think it is, I'll.

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<v Speaker 4>Not on my skull, and that, my friends, is the

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<v Speaker 4>real story of Edward ned Kelly, an irishman born in Australia,

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<v Speaker 4>a man who today would most likely call himself a

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<v Speaker 4>sovereign citizen, a man who robbed only for his own means,

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<v Speaker 4>A man who killed three policemen, took no responsibility for

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<v Speaker 4>it and fled into the Australian bush. To end the

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<v Speaker 4>episode today, I thought I'll oppose the question which I

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<v Speaker 4>asked at the start, if Nellie if Nellie Nelly if

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<v Speaker 4>Nellie for Tata, if Shrek was in this story, if

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<v Speaker 4>Ned Kelly was committing these crimes today, do we think

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<v Speaker 4>that he would be lauded as the folk hero that

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<v Speaker 4>so many people think he is.

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<v Speaker 1>No, absolutely not, absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know why he is or ever has been,

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<v Speaker 3>just because the famous mask.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of that story. I think it's because that

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<v Speaker 4>over time, the story goes from yeah, the mask is

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<v Speaker 4>probably the anchor for people into it, and the story

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<v Speaker 4>goes from you know that story which is all fact too.

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<v Speaker 4>He was a bushranger, he was fighting against the tyranny

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<v Speaker 4>of the Yes, that little bit of information gets left out,

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<v Speaker 4>and then that little bit of information gets left out.

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<v Speaker 4>Gerialdry letter in folklore is him lamenting the way his

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<v Speaker 4>family had been persecuted and trying to justify why he

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<v Speaker 4>did what he did. But it's not actually what the says.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm fascinated by that. Yeah, I think next time

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<v Speaker 1>we should do far Lap, the story of far Lap

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<v Speaker 1>poisoned by Nick Kelly.

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<v Speaker 4>Shrek was he poisoned by?

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<v Speaker 1>Not say that.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought of doing this one because I think we

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<v Speaker 4>were talking about I think we were talking about jack

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<v Speaker 4>On Wilson. Yes, yes, and we talked about what happened

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<v Speaker 4>to her husband and that he avoided the death penalty. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and then I thought, oh, I should I should investigate

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<v Speaker 4>Robert Ronald, right, which I have.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you that story in the future is the

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<v Speaker 1>last man hanged in Australia. Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I thought, oh, Kelly too. It's fascinating because

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<v Speaker 4>there's a whole lot of stuff in it that's not

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<v Speaker 4>in the focal.

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<v Speaker 3>And there are a lot of comparisons to Daisy Freeman

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<v Speaker 3>as well.

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<v Speaker 5>They're really yeah, it's quite similar. And that's what I

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<v Speaker 5>was saying at the start that while Ned Kelly has

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<v Speaker 5>always kind of been lauded as an Australian hero bush ranger,

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<v Speaker 5>his like the picture of him, you know, with the

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<v Speaker 5>two pistols and in the armor, is being very.

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<v Speaker 3>Much used by.

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<v Speaker 4>Sovereign citizen movement.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes exactly, and so.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like that is that the thought of Ed

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<v Speaker 5>Kelly is actually changing or turning to be more like, well,

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<v Speaker 5>hang on, no, he was someone who killed police officers

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<v Speaker 5>and it was an outlaw, even though that's always been known.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's probably he's been being seen less as

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<v Speaker 5>an Australian hero now because that is being used in

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<v Speaker 5>a disgusting movement.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I think people have in time like they

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<v Speaker 4>looked at it and gone, oh well, Australians Americans and

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<v Speaker 4>we don't like the law and we don't like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>rules though so not true Australians line up.

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<v Speaker 3>Better than any Yeah, maybe not in the eighteen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think that's the thing as well, because obviously

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<v Speaker 5>we were colonized and we our country came to be

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<v Speaker 5>for you know, having convicts. I think probably it was

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<v Speaker 5>maybe more seen, probably maybe seen more as you know,

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<v Speaker 5>all the evil British people came over here and the

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<v Speaker 5>whole place was just trying to you know, jail people

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<v Speaker 5>for stealing a loaf of bread and all of this.

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<v Speaker 5>So they were fighting back against that, and there could

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<v Speaker 5>be an argument for that, while you also look at

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<v Speaker 5>the argument that the people were trying to keep the

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<v Speaker 5>peace and.

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<v Speaker 3>Hold the law will be shot by these outlaws.

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<v Speaker 4>And he hated the Irishman that became policemen, and they

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<v Speaker 4>only became policemen because it was a job. Yeah, of

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<v Speaker 4>course they had to have a way to support their families.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you, Scott, thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like We've all grown up in Australia learning

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<v Speaker 5>history at school and this is.

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<v Speaker 1>The most about the.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely thank you. So then we should finish with good afternoon,

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<v Speaker 4>mister Williams like I'm the teacher.

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<v Speaker 3>Then good afternoon, mister Williams. While Sammy's being an.

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<v Speaker 1>Outlaw by not doing it, continue, I want to hear it.

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<v Speaker 3>We're meant to be doing it to thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>Also telling good afternoon.

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<v Speaker 4>We're saying let's get it clean.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, two, three, good afternoons.

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<v Speaker 3>Putting a school bell sound

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<v Speaker 1>Here, very nice rear that light up