WEBVTT - FULL SHOW: Would You Rather... Mango or Sex? 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:05.200 A good pickup with Britt Hogley and Laura Burn. 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:10.719 Radio work, our windows done. That's my worldris in the dust. 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:12.200 Only good zabs. 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:12.559 Are all down. 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:17.600 I don't much, but yeah, I know our big. 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:18.640 Get and what I want. 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:21.360 It don't matter where. This is the. 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:24.279 Pickup, Hi, guys, it's the pickup with Brett Harkley and 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:27.120 Laura Burn. And look, before we get into the show today, 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:29.479 we do have something really important that we wanted to 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:32.800 talk about. You guys might have heard the horrible news. 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.600 There's a really devastating news story that's come out about 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.160 a little toddler who has lost their life, A family 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:40.879 who has lost their child today after being left in 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.520 a car. And you know, I think it's it's so 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:46.320 easy to not realize just how hot and how quickly 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:49.280 cars can get, especially in these very extreme temperatures that 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:50.879 we're having at the moment across the country. 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:54.080 And you probably don't realize, but children's bodies heat up 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.920 faster than adults. A few minutes in a car is 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.640 too much. So this might seem like something like, yeah, 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:01.400 of course we know that you don't leave children in 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.720 the car, but evidently we do need to put those 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:07.840 reminders out please remember this, do not ever leave your 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:10.320 child in a car. So that is our reminder for 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:12.479 the show. But we do have a big show coming 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:12.920 up for you. 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:13.319 Today. 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:18.520 We have the Maths relationship specialist John Aiken coming into studio, 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:20.720 and boyd, do we have some questions for him? 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:24.280 I mean, yeah, look, I love I love John, I 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.399 love him, I do, and I love Maths, but I 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:28.720 just have some questions as to how these people were 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:29.319 paired together. 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.280 Yeah, we'll put him on the spot. 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.200 Now we are talking about the show that everyone is 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:37.200 talking about, and I'm very sorry to my husband, but 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:38.160 it's not I'm a celebrity. 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:39.759 Get me out of here. We talk about that enough 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:40.720 enough enough. 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:42.280 It's the one that I'm missing out on at the 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.560 moment that I would love to be watching Married at 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.360 First Sight. I have watched every single season and we 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:48.760 are currently on season twelve. 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.400 But you've been keeping up. You've been at least keeping 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:53.000 up with what's happening this year. Do you know what 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:54.680 I'm trying to keep up? So I'm going to make 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:58.120 an admission here. I have not been a Maths watcher 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:00.480 in the last twelve seasons. I try, and it gives 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:05.360 me wild anxiety. Like the absolute train wrecks on that show. 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.360 I come the people, but sometimes the relationships themselves, the 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:11.000 relationtimes the people. No, sometimes the people too, like sometimes 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:12.880 I want to I'm all about love. We love love, 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:15.520 but sometimes I want to throw my remote at the screen. 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.200 But we are very honored to be in the presence 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:22.799 of relationship Expert Royalty Maths Greatness, Maths Greatness. 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:26.040 We have John Aiken here, relationship expert, also the man 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:30.079 who is responsible for pairing some of these seemingly mismatchpairs together. 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:34.080 Yes, indeed, and it's great to be here. Yeah, it's 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.400 nice to be in studio with you both. It's season twelve, 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.000 which is amazing because we didn't really see it happening 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.480 in this way. You know, when you start a reality show, 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.160 you're kind of not sure whether it'll hit or miss. 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:48.680 Yeah, you're just saying that the ratings are through the roof. 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:48.960 For this year. 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:53.320 Yeah, they've been monstrous, bigger than any of the episodes 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.400 of series eleven last year. The dinner Party one that 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:59.720 we had just recently, And it's hard to know what 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:01.640 it is. I mean, there's a real first that I 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:05.320 think people have for relationship shows, and this is kind 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:08.800 of unique in that couples watch it to learn what 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.720 not to do, but also singles watch it and go, oh, 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.840 there are red flags. I think we need to avoid that. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:19.120 So it sort of covers both sort of groups. But 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:22.680 then I think also there's this element of can strangers 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.280 get a fairy tale when you match them up? 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:25.640 Yeah? 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.880 Well, Laura did, I'm living proof sometimes it does work, 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.080 and I proof that it doesn't. But we're not going 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.400 to go back and revisit that. So a question that 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:36.160 I was just asking you off air and you said, 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.560 you're happy to talk about it. How much of the casting? 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.960 Because sometimes you're like brilliant. We look at people like 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:44.240 Jules Robinson and cam like they were amazing, happy ending. 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:46.400 Sometimes I look at it and I said, who put 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:47.280 these two people together? 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:49.280 But it was you? So how much of it is you? 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:51.840 And how much of it is you know, the behind 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.800 the scenes casting. Do you work together to find these couples? 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.640 Yeah, so with the experts, we would look at them 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.800 over a two month period. We zoom call them, we 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:05.440 look at their background bios, we test them things like 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:12.800 attachment theory and communication styles, values, their personality traits, and 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.400 then we put them together and then it's really a 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:18.880 combination of the matches that we throw up, but also 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:24.400 the network and the production company, and like you could imagine, 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:25.880 one of the great things with Maths is that it 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.000 can be quite diverse. So we might have a great match, 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.240 but we've got too many blonds on the show, so 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:33.880 they might say, all right, well, let's look for a 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:40.040 different looking couple, or we need different culture Italian, Lebanese, Greek, 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.680 or we need a fifty something, so we can kind 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:44.800 of go out and really get quite a broad range. 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:46.880 But certainly the experts are heavily involved. 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:48.839 I also think that that's what really sets it apart 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:52.160 as a show, because as a viewer, there is always 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:55.640 somebody who is reflected like you're reflected back in and 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:57.680 I don't mean that like the craziness of it, but 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.720 there's always someone who you could potentially relate to in 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.720 that relationship dynamic, Whereas like when you look at shows 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.080 like The Bachelor, which obviously we have, I mean we've 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.680 put skin in the game with that, there is only 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.400 one kind and it's hot guy and lots of hot girls, 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.840 and that's it. So you know, for anyone who's in 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.760 an older demographic who's watching. They're isolated from that kind 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:17.760 of dating experience. 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:19.440 That's right, so, and I think that's one of the 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:22.680 secret sources of the show, the diversity of the cast. 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:24.600 I think also. 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.480 The experts role in the show has become very much 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:32.120 more about calling out bad behavior, which there's plenty of. 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:36.680 Which there is plenty of, and they come back at 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:41.120 us just as hard. And in most reality concepts or shows, 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.840 the experts is put on a pedestal, you know, and 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.240 they are seen as all knowing, and so if you've 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:52.320 burnt the lasagna, or if you've got a bad kitchen design, 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:56.000 you know, they don't really get too upset about it, 0:05:56.080 --> 0:06:00.200 you know, whereas on our show, the experts really are 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:02.960 in the firing line, and that when I sit down 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.240 with our couples, they want to get things off the 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.760 chest and I'm pointing out patterns in their lives that 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:12.400 are very very personal and they don't like it. And 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:14.240 so I think one of the interesting things when you 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:18.600 watch it is how we respond as couples but also 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:20.640 as experts to that confrontation. 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.280 Have you had any big brawls that haven't made it, 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:26.159 like made it to air, so you feel like that's 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.160 the stuff that's making it. You know, like sometimes I 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:30.840 feel like stuff goes on. I mean, I know I've 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:32.480 done reality, but I know there's a lot of stuff 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:34.560 that goes on that's left on the cutting room floor 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:36.440 for whatever reason. But has there ever been a moment 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:38.960 where you are having this confrontation with someone and it's 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:40.000 just gone too far. 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.200 I don't think it's gone too far, but I certainly 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.520 go as hard as I can because I don't know 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.640 what's going to make the edits. But it's better off 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:50.880 saying everything you want to say and getting it out 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:56.400 there rather than holding back and missing your opportunity. So really, 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.479 for me, when I'm sitting in front of them, I 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:01.920 don't know what's coming, and it's not scripted or staged. 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.520 We're just sitting there delivering. But I've got to say 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:06.400 it in a short, sharp way that's going to get 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:07.520 them to stand up straight. 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:09.880 You've already had some bombshells. I mean we're only a 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:11.840 couple of episodes deep, and there's been some bombshells. 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:13.680 People are leaving. They're not happy with who they've been 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:14.080 matched with. 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:16.880 I know so to me, and I mean for most 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:19.320 people who watch it, I think The normal response now 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:21.560 is like, you've seen enough of the show that surely 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:24.440 you know as a participant that you may not get 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:26.200 matched with someone who is your. 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.200 Ideal bride or groom. 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.560 So we've seen Tim has walked out at this point 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.200 he wasn't happy with his bride who he would match with. 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:36.240 And I know Australia has some very big feelings about that, 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.000 big feelings. But how do you respond to that when 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.560 you're like, you know that this is the process of 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.640 the show. Why are you pretending like you didn't know 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:44.080 that this is literally the format? 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:45.920 Yeah, that's right. And Elliott also. 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:50.000 Yeah, yeah, right, this was Tradwife Matt, Yes, yes. 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:53.520 So I think what it does right now on the 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.320 show is it reflects what's going out on in the 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.280 real world. And that's one of the things with the 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:01.120 show is we tap into the zeitguy. So if it's 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.560 gas lighting, if it's trad wives, worry, I mean, you know, 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:07.200 if it's speaking your truth, whatever's going on out there, 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:08.360 I shows up. 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:10.600 No one's ever said to me, I'll be a warrior 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:11.440 because I don't. 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:12.520 Know how much that's happening, do. 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:12.920 You know what? 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:15.080 And I'd never heard that, And then when I was 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:18.160 interviewing them this year. I'm saying, okay, so what's your 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:21.160 approach to dating. I want to be a warrior. And 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:22.440 I'm like, well, what does that mean. 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.120 No one has ever gotten the ick faster than hearing 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:26.400 a man saying I'm a warrior. 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.240 Man, I'm your warrior. 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:28.160 But. 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:33.600 You know I'm not heavily and across TikTok. But then 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.120 I started to hear the women on the show talking about, well, 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:37.719 I want to be a trad wife, I want to. 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.240 Serve, I don't want a career. 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.160 I really want the guy to take the lead, but 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:46.480 also be really really rich, and so there's poor and 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:50.120 take the lead. So I'm sort of sitting there hearing 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.920 this stuff, thinking, Wow, this is a very different flavor 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:55.839 of maths that's going to hit this year, and I 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:57.840 think it's going to get very noisy, and I think 0:08:58.120 --> 0:08:59.520 it has as a result of that. 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:01.199 What about the feedback for you? 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.720 I mean, obviously, it is your job to guide these 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.760 couples so that they aren't completely toxic and don't destroy 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.200 each other in the process, But what about the feedback 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.679 when couples have been paired that seemingly from the outside 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.200 are very toxic to each other or seem to be 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:15.959 poorly paired. 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:18.280 How do they come like, why is it that you 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:19.959 put them together? So it made that choice. 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.440 Yeah, So what you're seeing there is what we're seeing, 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:25.960 which is after knowing them for two months and drilling 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:29.120 down and getting all the info to match them compatible 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.600 in a way that's very compatible. What we don't know 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:34.360 is what's going to happen when the camera's roll And 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:36.360 you will have seen this because you've experienced it, you 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.240 have skin in the game. What is going to happen 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.000 when at six am to ten pm you've got a 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.840 camera on you and you're trying to get to know 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.960 your partner and also get along in the group. And 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:53.080 what we find is that a seemingly compatible couple suddenly 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:55.880 blows up in front of us and they look dreadful together. 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:58.760 It might be a guy realizes, you know what, I'm 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:00.840 not into commitment, or I've got a type, or there's 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.120 no chemistry, or one of the women will say, you 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:06.559 know what I was really I thought I was ready 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:08.560 for intimacy, but actually not with him. 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:10.240 Not with him, or like I thought he had more 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:11.240 zeros in the bank. 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:17.199 Yeah, so you're getting this sort of explosion or implosion 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:19.720 of the couple that you've spent months and months getting 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.640 to know. So we get just as disappointed as everybody 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:23.280 else when they. 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:23.840 Don't make it. 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.760 Yeah, but I also think this year, just coming back 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.319 to that thing that you were talking about with leaving 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.040 the show out there in the dating world, what they're 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.120 telling me is that commitment is hard to find. 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:38.320 Yes, absolutely, I dated everyone in Sydney and then ended 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:40.000 up on a reality show to find my guys. 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:41.880 It's so hard, right. 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:43.640 And so some of them even said to me, John, 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.960 I'm coming on maps because at least the guy that 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.000 you match me with will stick around for longer than 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:49.520 one date. 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:50.640 Wow, that is. 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.360 To me, John, if you can stick around, We've got 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.480 to go to a break. But I'm so fascinated and 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:59.400 I have so many more questions for you that we're 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.400 going to hit you. So short break and we'll be 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:03.320 back in a minute. It's a pick up on kiss. 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:06.000 If you were just joining us. 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:08.240 We are getting all of the goss on what is 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:10.160 happening at Maths at the moment because we are joined 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:12.079 by relationship expert John Aiken. 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.719 Now John, you don't know this. I mean there's no 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:16.679 way for you to know this, but I'm going to 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.640 tell you. You featured very heavily in our girls group 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:23.520 chat recently, and it's because there was a photo of 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:27.120 you that appears he knows what it was a screenshot 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:30.319 and there was something seemingly quite unfortunate or very fortunate, 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:32.560 depending on what circumstance you might be in in the 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:34.040 background of one of your photos. 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:37.600 We need clarity everyone, what is this? 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.000 Yeah, well, can you tell me? What? Are they suggesting 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:40.400 that it. 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:46.880 Is butt plugo? In case anyone's say in Spain. 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:49.680 Everyone's unsure. There's a very blurred background image. 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:52.920 Is a thing that's sitting on a mantelpiece. It looks 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.000 like it's holding up a book, but it could also 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:56.559 be inserted somewhere. 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:58.920 Yeah, elb plus holding something. 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:02.000 Over you know, I put it to be. I don't 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.480 know what it is, but I can tell you it 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:06.360 is not mine. 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:11.320 I that it never is. It's someone else's. 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:15.400 But because you know reality TV so well, when you 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:19.120 come on to do interviews, you will have sets that 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.640 you just walk in, you sit down, you do your thing. 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.319 John, you got stitched up somebody? 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:24.720 John? 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:25.000 You know what? 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:26.080 You know what you're reminding me. 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:29.120 Of the last thirteen years of my life. I've been 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.840 a hospital worker. I'm a radiographer in a hospital. 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:33.160 This big career. 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.000 Change and the number of people that come in, Like 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.240 a big part of my job was people that had 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:38.200 some el. 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.360 Butt plugs or whatever. Usually not that, not that the 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:42.239 correct apparatus. 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:45.959 Something foreign sucked up their buttons, right, So we've got 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:49.960 to find it in the abdomen. You just reminded me 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.400 of that, because the number one thing they say is 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:55.160 like they'll be like they'll be like, there'll be a 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.679 pool ball up there, and I'll be like, how did 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:58.080 this happen? 0:12:58.240 --> 0:12:59.040 They're like, I don't know. 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:02.520 I don't know. I was playing pool and then it 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:04.400 was there and it just happened. 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:04.800 You know what. 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.959 It's like I slipped and fell on the pool table. 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:11.400 There's so many things like that. That's you just gave 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:13.040 me anyway, all right, you heard it here. It was 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:17.120 a fake set, John. So the most controversial thing, I mean, 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.240 it's already happened on this season of mass one of 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.280 the most controversial episodes is the photo ranking. 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:23.840 Oh yeah, but it happens every. 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:25.080 Season every season. Now. 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:29.080 The thing about that, the thing about that challenge is 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:32.520 that it's really a test of emotional intelligence and how 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:36.880 you handled DELI well, hit me out, let me try 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:41.160 and describe it. Most of our couples do it very well. 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:43.000 They will say, you know what, I'm going to put 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:47.280 my partner first. But there's always a handful every year 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:51.680 who completely dropped the ball and they will be putting 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:55.200 in their mind the hottest girl first. They will put 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:59.080 their partner way down the list and it completely blows 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:01.680 the relationship up totally. And what it's taught us is 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:04.160 that people really are not able to have delicate conversations 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.920 or read the room or even understand the bigger picture here, 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.320 and often they never recover from that. And you're just 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:16.359 seeing it now. You know, there's a couple of individuals 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:19.800 in this episode coming up that just do it very badly. 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:21.680 But do you think it's also because I mean, and 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:23.920 it's something we see in dating all the time, people 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:28.600 who disguise honesty as a reason to be me. It's like, oh, 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.240 I'm being honest, so you can't be angry at me. 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.640 It's objectively you're just not as hot as Sarah. 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.400 Yeah, we had that in Maths maybe two three years ago. 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:41.280 Dom and Olivia really had this great rivalry for the ages, 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:46.120 but it would get incredibly intense and very personal, and 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.120 they would say, look, we're just speaking our truth, and 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:52.600 what we had to reflect back to them is that 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.440 being honest doesn't mean that you can assassinate a person's 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:57.920 character and really be rude. 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:00.600 Well, it's also just like almost that I'm just speaking 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:04.520 my truth. Really from the sounds like you're weaponizing therapy 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:06.160 talk like you know enough of it, but now you're 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:07.200 manipulating how to use it. 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.720 But then on the flip side, like, are we then 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.520 encouraging lying? Like if you don't think your partner's the 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:15.000 hottest there, and yes, Brittany. 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.960 You lie. Why would you say anything else? Because I 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:19.840 don't think we even have the competition. 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.160 I don't think we have the challenge. I remember offer 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:25.520 our Bachelor audition like seven years ago. This is some 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.520 real goss for you, John, when in the audition there 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:30.560 were just maybe twenty girls in there in the room 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.720 and they'd say, cool, now it's time line yourself up. 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:37.320 Yourself hottest at this end, best dressed to it's to 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:39.280 me who you think is a little less attractive, And 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:41.520 you had to slought yourself in person. 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:43.200 Yeah, in person, and you. 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:44.840 Had to put yourself in the line, and sometimes you'd 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:45.840 stand somewhere and someone like. 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:49.440 Push you out and you put You did that in 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:50.240 the audition. 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:54.480 We did it as a group date. But I came 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:54.920 after you. 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.120 They probably realized quick, smart, we can't have this on TV. 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:58.120 I hang on back to maps. 0:15:58.360 --> 0:15:59.000 Another question. 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:00.320 Sorry, this is like a. 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:02.600 Railroad interview, pulling the curtain back. 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.680 John, It's like, we'll use it on the next season trademark. 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.200 So one question I do have. 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:11.160 And there's been two couples on this season that have 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:14.640 known each other like before they've had a like loose 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:16.640 date or they had a bit more of a connection, 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:18.200 and then they've ended up at the end of the 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:19.880 aisle being like, oh my god, you're the guy that 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:24.960 ghosted me. Is there any part of that that is 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.440 that you guys know about when you cast, because I know. 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:29.320 You go through you do your ji diligence, So. 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:30.880 You look at someone you're like, Okay, let's see who 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:32.880 they know on Instagram or what their life looks like. 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:35.920 Surely there was some sort of a flag where you 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:37.320 guys know that they might know each other. 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:42.360 No, it was absolutely had no idea. 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:43.640 That's grim for Australia's dating scene. 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.800 So it does reflect that the smaller pool that's out there. 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:48.520 But also. 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:51.600 You've got no hope but to date the guy that 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:52.640 ghosted you last week. 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:53.000 I know. 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:55.920 But the thing is when you when you're doing your 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:58.440 background checks and you're getting to know them, you talk 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:02.040 to them about their signals relationships. You know, three four 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.920 years together, they might have been married and now divorced, 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.640 but you don't find out about a one night stand 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:11.199 or a fling that happened a year ago that you know, 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.480 they may not even know the names of the people 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:14.880 that they've gone out in a date with. 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:15.320 Yeah. 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:15.520 Right. 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:17.359 We were talking about this on lafe on Cut our 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:21.640 podcast and because I think anyone who objectively would look 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:23.200