WEBVTT - BONUS: The Button Man with Scott Williams 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.320 Welcome to Not Another Crime Podcast. 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:05.800 I'm Georgia Love, I'm Tammy Peterson, and the I'm a journalist, 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:07.800 I am not, and you are. 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:12.240 Scott Williams, the official out of Visual, third host. 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:15.280 Of the podcast, host of the podcast Wheel. 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:17.840 Everyone's Favorite is back. 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:20.080 We can't get enough of you. 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:22.599 You can't get enough of writing stories, and our listeners 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:23.880 cannot get enough of you. 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:26.439 Good lord, it's so true. A little bit about writing stories. 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:29.320 The chlorine. 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:33.560 That's the return of the judgmental reading glasses, the return 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:35.520 of the clipboard clipboard. 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.159 So good. Did you buy this clipboard specifically for the podcast? 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:39.479 I didn't, but I think I'm going to get some 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:41.120 stickers from the lady that sent you stickers. 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.160 Yes, we love Claude so much. 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.200 She gave us some beautiful stickers of And that's Digs 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:48.760 in the background. 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:49.680 They're having a little drink. 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:51.959 If you can hear that, yeah, if you can. 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:54.520 G The other day was like when we're recording or 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.600 recording the other day and it was really hot out 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:00.400 and I had the water ball inside for the time 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:01.800 in a very long time, and was like, it's just 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:03.240 nice to have the water ball inside. 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:04.119 And then. 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:08.240 Then and then he started drinking during the podcast. Oh 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:12.199 that's why we don't inside. That's the world. 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.240 Yeah, really good. Actually, we've been moving house. We've had 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:18.240 a lot of been a very exciting time just about 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:18.919 to go on Christmas. 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:20.800 Break from moving is an exciting time. 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:25.039 That can be. It's hard work, right yeah, yeah, but 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:27.720 we all putched in and we got it done and 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:29.360 we'll get settled in the new house and it's gonna 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:29.560 be great. 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:31.320 It's gonna be great. It's gonna be fantastic. But it's 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.560 it's so exhausting moving as well. And then when you 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:36.399 get everything in there, you're like, oh now I have 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.039 to unpack everything. That's the other people where you're like, 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:40.360 but you know what, it's gonna be great. 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:41.759 And I don't know why I'm talking it down so much. 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:43.800 In a month's time, none of it will matter. 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:47.440 None of it's gonna matter. Careful right there, it doesn't matter. 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:48.080 It doesn't matter. 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:52.040 Yeah, actually for anyone it's a very straight look at 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:52.440 my arm. 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:53.040 It doesn't matter. 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:55.360 Imagine if I message you when I was moving and 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:59.640 just going just come around for a podcast. Everything boxes, Well, 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:02.920 you don't like a few boxes when you're all on deck? 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:07.480 Yeah, Oh no, I hate moving. Well, I unpacking. I 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:09.240 don't mind, because I like kind of. 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:10.400 Setting up a new place. 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:12.000 But you've got a pack to then be. 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:12.600 Able to unpack. 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:17.320 That's Julia. I get like the fact that I've been 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.160 in the house for three days and I'm not completely 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:22.239 unpacked stresses Oh yeah, I'm a person that can't leave 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:24.120 work at the end of the day with emails unread. 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:27.120 Yeah, okay, look it's too much for you. 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:29.720 I look at some of my friends emailing boxes at 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:31.960 work and I'm like, you've got nineteen hundred unread emails. 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:33.919 I can't when I look at someone's phone. 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:35.720 That stresses me out so much when they have like 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.760 eighty unread messages and unread emails as well, I just 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:40.880 want to go and help them with it. 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:45.120 Let me clear, clear it out, reply to people. 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:49.160 Maybe there could be like an air tasker service, clear 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:50.079 out my inbox just me. 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:52.079 I'd just come around. Just let me know if you're 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.200 going to come. Yeah, give me a glass of wine. 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:54.600 I'll be there. 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:58.560 Yeah, you don't need to pay through the app jam give. 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:00.400 Me three glasses of one. I'll start replying. 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:04.000 Trunk and replies to people we'd never ever met. 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:07.440 Quit for you, I'll abuse your boss whatever you want. 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:13.760 So I believe. I believe, because I believe through listener 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:15.520 that you guys are working through the holidays. 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:15.960 We are. 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.000 So I brought your story today, but I thought, just 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:19.959 for fun, i'd give you some Christmas facts before. 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:21.960 Oh great, Chris. 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:23.239 The story doesn't have anything to do with Christmas, but 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:24.560 I thought some fun Christmas facts. 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:27.360 It is with the Christmas facts, all right. 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:29.120 Here's the first one. Did you know that the reindeer 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:31.280 in the song off the Red Nose Reindeer are all 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.000 pairs that compliment each other in some way? 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.080 No, so don't explain that, I can. 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:39.000 Donna and Blitzen can you expand? Please? 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:40.960 You're working, Please explain. 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:44.080 Donna and Blitzen are Old English names for lightning and thunder. 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.680 Dancer and prans are both words that refer to dancing 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:49.640 with joy or abandoned. 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:49.960 Yeah. 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:56.840 One igat dasher is an Old English name for comets 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:01.240 and comment. Oh, and Cupid and vic represent the naughty 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:02.200 and nice sides of love. 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.960 Oh really, when you started, I thought you were talking 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:09.320 about the fruit pear. Oh, they will relate to a 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:13.000 type of pair, some sort of apple with some sort 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:20.320 of pair. I've the that's great, and also can I 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:21.119 do share a fact? 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.560 It's always on the twenty fifth of December? What is Christmas? 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:24.800 Yes? 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.600 Is it where the moon is? 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:27.880 Yep? 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:29.120 No matter where the moon. 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:30.120 No matter where the moon is. 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:30.719 Matter. 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:32.159 I'm learning a lot. 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:34.719 Can happen the name of your autobiography no matter with 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:37.359 George Love somewhere between the New Moon y. 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:43.279 I Love a really vague title and it never comes back. 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.640 To Georgia Love. 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.680 We discovered the other day. I say we discovered. 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:51.320 I discovered it and then sent you many picture screenshots 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.520 of the article because I loved it so much. There 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:57.800 was a feature piece on Rhonda birch More. Her memoir 0:04:57.960 --> 0:04:59.040 is called Legs eleven. 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:00.000 That's exact. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:05.640 It's amazing, isn't a beautiful but Roonder birch More amazing 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:09.200 like in Australia, like the person in every musical, every 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.360 Carol's in the domain every She's just such a She's 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.520 been around for ages, but I would not She's always 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:16.280 kind of looked the same. 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.200 Yeah, she always looks. 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:19.720 The term that we're use in my family that would 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:21.719 be her, Which is she's world famous. 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:27.279 In Australia, Yes, the world famous Rob Milton mills, rob. 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.720 One John or John. So do you know that if 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:31.440 you add up at the gifts in the twelve Days 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:34.440 of Christmas, it's three hundred and sixty four gifts, one 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:36.560 for each day of the year, that are all presented 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:37.320 on Christmas Day. 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:41.400 Really, my God, when he gets to the pears. 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:45.840 Get and then finally, did you know that, in fact, 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:52.160 all the gifts in the twelve Days of Christmas are birds? 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.800 All of it? Would you like me to show my 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:58.800 working out? Three workings partridge in a pear tree, two 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:03.960 turtle dubs, three French hens, four calling birds. By now 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:05.840 you're the girl getting the president, so you're thinking, that's 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:06.160 a lot. 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.479 Of a lot of birds here. 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.920 Five gold rings refers to ring necked pheasants. 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.480 Of course that was the only good president of all 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:17.440 of them. I thought you got five gold rings. 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:21.679 So six geese laying seven to one swimming eight maids. 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:25.920 Milking refers to egrets, specifically cattle egrets, which are called what. 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:27.280 They what they what? 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:31.440 What I'm telling you cattle egrets which are called that 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:33.680 by locals because they follow the cattle around and sit 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.080 on their backs and they all steal milk from their artists. 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:42.960 Milking ye. Nine ladies dancing refers to a bird called lapwings. 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:45.600 There's all English a bird called lap wings, which are 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:49.640 common called dancing lap wings or dancing ladies because of 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:53.120 the elaborate aerial displays they used to communicate lap dancing. 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.840 Nine ladies dancing known as lap dancing. It's probably not 0:06:56.880 --> 0:07:01.279 where nap dancing comes from. I wouldn't more obvious the 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.200 lady dances on your lap would be. I think you 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:07.480 might be wrong there, Sorry, sorry, mate, I apologize. Ten 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.920 lords are leaping. It refers to cuckoos. Cuckoos at the 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:14.440 time were called leaping birds, and leaping was a form 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:17.720 of deception. Cuckoos are well known to lay their eggs 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.280 in other birds nests and leave them for the other 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:21.600 birds to hatch and raise. 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:23.680 Oh come on. 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:30.000 Ten lords are leaping. Eleven pipers piping plovers. 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:29.840 Lovers a beautiful gift forever. 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.000 Due to the call that they say out they make, 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:33.760 which sounds like a pipe, which. 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:35.760 Now it doesn't. It sounds like a lady screaming. 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:39.520 Well anywhere from Philip wouldn't know it. I don't know 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:44.040 if there's anyone here today. And twelve drummers. 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:48.000 Twelve drummers sorry, I'm thinking the plovers don't sound like 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:49.400 peoples are lady screaming? 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.560 That's curlews, curls. 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:56.480 And twelve drummers. Drumming refers to grouse who are named 0:07:56.520 --> 0:08:00.840 ground drummers because of the noise that is their mating call. Wow. 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:04.080 So back to the last fact, it's three hundred and 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.080 sixty four birds that the lady gets given. 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:07.480 There's too many birds. 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:09.640 That's a lot of birds to give someone if you 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:10.120 love them. 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.680 It's a lot of to give someone if you hate it. 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:16.640 Yeah, but if you hate them, it's more fun fun. 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:21.040 Oh my god, four birds I don't like. 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:22.560 I didn't know that. I didn't know they were all 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:23.120 birds in that. 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:23.400 Yeah. 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.880 So is Alfred Hitchcock's movie The Birds a Christmas movie 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:27.520 could be? 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.560 Yes, it's one of those Christmas movie right with Gremlins. 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:35.800 What's your go to Christmas movie? 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:38.480 By the way, I love National Lampoons. 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.200 Oh yeah, lovely. 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:42.840 Yeah, I have reindeer eggnonglasses. 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:46.960 Oh oh great, because Jesus you got two that you 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:47.760 watch every year. 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.120 Well, my, they're in my favorite movies of all time, 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:55.200 let alone Christmas movies, and they obviously love actually and elf. 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.600 Okay, excellent, two of my top movies. So last time 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:00.920 I was here, I ruined disney Land. Yes, I'm not 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.320 going to make any comments. I'm not going to make 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:05.599 any comments. I'm actually I am not going to make it. 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.080 Yeah comments and I throw them out. 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:11.440 Yeah, fair enough to She's with its rom com. 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:13.040 It's movie, it's fiction. 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:16.640 It's fine, it's fine. Grow up, just grow up. 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:16.960 People. 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.040 Speaking of stories and documentaries, let me tell you a story. 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.720 So if this story was a Netflix documentary, it would 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.760 start with the sweeping shot of the Great Alpine National Park, 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.079 starting at the base of Australia's Great Dividing Range, just 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:34.119 outside of Bensdale, all the way up to Mount Ksiosko. 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:37.480 The Alpine National Park protects over one point six million 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:40.960 acres of Australian high country. Then the camera would sweep 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.840 in and start to focus on one section of the park, 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:47.200 the One and Gata Valley, the southern It's not the 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.679 story you think is. The southern end borders towns like Mansfield, 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.199 the skifields of Mount Buller and the majesty of Mount Stirling. 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:57.520 Campsites dot the landscape with places with names that we 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.280 know like wild Dog Bend and one and Gatda. But 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.920 as beautiful as the willness is, it is equally unforgiving. 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:08.000 Every year hikers and day trippers find themselves in trouble 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:11.520 needing to be rescued. People go missing, either because they 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.760 want to like the alleged killer Desie Freeman, or through 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:20.800 accident or misadventure. Occasionally people are even murdered. Campus report 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:25.480 strange encounters, huge wild dogs, and even panthers. Panthers and 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:29.400 one rumor is shared in huss whispers around campfires more 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.839 than all the others. Today, we're going to look at 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:37.000 four mysterious cases from the Victorian High Country, specifically in 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.240 the area in and around one and Gather, and we're 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:44.040 going to delve into the true story of the button Man, The. 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:49.120 Button Man, The Buttonman, The button Man. 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:52.880 Now you did I didn't look into this because you 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:54.760 did message me to say do you know about the 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:59.400 button man? Absolutely doesn't sound threatening, but it doesn't sound threatening. 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:01.640 Wow, button Man. Now do you want to say what 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:02.800 you were thinking of when. 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:03.920 When you said one again? 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:06.559 Are you thinking? Girl? And Carol Clay Let's we'll get 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:06.800 to that. 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.000 And that's why gasp, because I was like, we have 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:13.360 to be careful because it's now been his conviction has 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:13.920 been quashed. 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:16.400 We're going to mention it, okay, because it happened in 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.360 one in Gata Valley. Yes, okay. So in twenty seventeen, 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.440 a wildlife photographer spent several days in the high Country. 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:25.720 The area is really well known for amazing fauna like 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.840 wedge tailed eagles, wombats, a kidners and many different types 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:29.800 of Australian parrots. 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.400 You're a little bit obsessed with birds today. 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:36.840 A little bit of birds bead for gift. The photographer 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.280 had a successful trip, enjoyed spending his time alone in 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:41.720 the bush, and on his return home he started downloading 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:44.120 images from his camera. Good for him. In the middle 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.160 of a download was an image which made his blood 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:47.000 run hold. 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:50.000 A photo of digs running in the bush. 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:52.120 It was a photo of the inside of his tent, 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.400 captured with the glare of the camera flash. The picture 0:11:55.440 --> 0:12:00.440 showed him sleeping peacefully. What sucked into his sleeping and 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:02.880 completely unaware of the presence of another person. 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:06.400 No, God, that is terrified. 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:09.200 The man knew he had gone to sleep with his 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:12.000 camera hanging right next to his pillow. Oh my god, 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.319 it took The photo had silently entered the tent, picked 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.320 up the camera, taken the shot, and then put the 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:20.079 camera back without being noticed. 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.119 That is awful, so terrifying. 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:28.240 Yep. The photographer posted the photo to read it asking 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:30.760 if anyone had could help solve this mystery. 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.760 And you know what, Reddit are always a fun yeah, 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:34.880 the best place to go. 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.880 Amongst the comments and helpful suggestions like a panther or 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:41.800 a yowie, there was one reply which really stuck out. 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.320 The people that were saying it was probably a yowie 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:45.840 that took the photo. That is helpful. 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:50.120 That is super helpful. It might have been a panther. 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.680 Yeah, yeah, someone had to have constructed the yowi first 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:54.080 and beautiful photo. 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:56.440 So there was one reply which really struck out. You 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:59.360 met the button man. Consider self lucky. He was in 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:02.160 a playful moo, what my god? What? 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:04.720 Who the hell is this button man? 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.599 The button Man is not a legend, he's not folklore, 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.680 but he's an actual man now in his seventies who's 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:14.439 known to police. Police have confirmed that they have interviewed 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.080 him on two occasions. He has never been a suspect 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.679 in any High Country cases, and the police have been 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.520 at pains to explain that he has no criminal record, 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.200 but the rumors of his exploits persist. 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.360 I don't like this button like this button Man. 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:29.880 We're going to come back to the button Man soon, 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:31.280 but first we're going to look at some of the 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:33.000 mysteries of the Victorian high Country. 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.640 I'm scared the button Man's just lurking in the background 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:36.600 while you're talking about all this. 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:40.000 Yeah, I don't like but we each live on our own. 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:45.319 Yes, he listened A long way from here. The one 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:46.800 and gat of Valley is a long way. 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:47.720 Yeah, that's true. 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:49.960 The button Man travel a lot. 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:54.880 Of birds in this Warren Meyer disappeared on Easter Sunday 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.280 two thousand and eight. He was a fifty seven year 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:00.240 old experienced hunter and bushman. He set off from dom 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.000 Dom Saddle intending to go on a four hour bushwalk. 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:05.000 Dom Dom Saddle's a great place, though. 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:10.280 Yeah. He was carrying a phone, a GPS, additional food 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:12.880 and water. He had set a time with his wife 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.360 to meet her for a celebratory drink after the hike, 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:17.560 but he never made it to the meeting place and 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:18.400 he never came home. 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:19.080 Oh God. 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:23.120 Searchers started immediately. His car was found exactly where it 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:26.600 should have been. During the police search, they stumbled upon 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:30.120 a commercial marijuana crop hidden in the dense bush. N 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:35.640 campers who were questioned consistently mentioned hearing something that sounded 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:39.520 like automatic gunfire echoing through the bush, not a sound 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:43.560 normally associated with camping or hunting. Police had suspicions that 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.080 Warren may have also stumbled into the crop, and before 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:49.480 he could leave or explain himself, he was shot. Warren 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:53.920 Meyer's body has never been found. Wow In twenty eleven, 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.880 David Prudeau went missing on June the fifth. David was 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:01.320 the governor of bow And Prison, a high security prison 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.560 in Lara needs Long. David was an experienced deer hunter 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.360 and had set out into the high country along Blackspur 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.040 Track at around seven am. He was dropped off by 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.080 his brother in law, who would be hunting in a 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:16.320 different area close by. Then there was nothing oh. David 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.119 and his brother in law had agreed to regular radio checkings. 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.040 When the first two did not come, David's brother in 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:24.280 law assumed that he was on deer stalk and he 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.400 would reply once the stalk was over, But he never responded. 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.840 Dear stalk, like dear John, Like when you're at a letter. 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:40.680 Dear dear, you're dying. Oh, dear dear, I've probably got 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:47.640 no idea where this guy is. David Pud's out into 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:49.600 the high country had taken him through an area of 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:53.840 the locals called the Crossroads. Several major bush racks bush 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:57.160 tracks meet at the crossroads. It's a high point in 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:59.280 the One and Gata Valley and there's a phone tower, 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.440 which mean he can has taken advantage of to checking. 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.280 The crossroads are also well known to be close to 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:07.960 the area of the Button Man's camp and the area 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:11.760 that he claims is his territory. But Man rumours say 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.280 that the hermit has established a camp in a cave nearby. 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.720 He uses the high vantage point to watch the comings 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:21.320 and goings of people in his bushland. The Button Man 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:25.040 is said to pay particular attention to hunters, watching and 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:29.080 sometimes tracking them while they track animals, making sure that 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:31.680 they treat the native land and animals with respect. 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.320 Several mixed feelings now about the Button Man. 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:37.840 No, I don't think he's treating people with respect. He's 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:39.200 taking photo them in their sleep. 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:40.600 Yeah, it's for animals. 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:43.480 Several hunters of told tales of sitting around their campfires 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:49.200 and the button man suddenly just being there approach, he's 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:50.480 just suddenly standing at the camp. 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:53.640 He's made of buttons. 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:55.960 He'll sit down at the fire, uninvited and question the 0:16:56.000 --> 0:17:00.320 hunt has never really really revealing anything about himself. Then 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:02.920 he will stand and silently disappear. Back into the book. 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:04.720 Oh my god, terrifying. 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:07.159 I hate this story. 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:10.119 That image of Homer. 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:16.840 But back to David P. Day, the missing governor of Bow. 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:20.640 In prison search has covered many square kilometers around where 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.520 David had been known to be hunting. They searched as 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.560 winter was coming on several times through the snowfall, and 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.760 again after spring forward the snow, but found no trace 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:33.480 of David. There were several conspiracy theories about what might 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.600 have happened to David. Less than a year earlier, Carl 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:40.480 Williams was killed in Bowing on David's watch, and some 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:42.439 people thought this could be a revenge killing. 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:43.080 Wow. 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:46.080 Other theories were that David had surprised a pack of 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.840 wild dogs and a bit attacked, or that he'd been 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:50.280 killed by the high country panther. 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:55.000 Diggs would never do that, he would never do that. 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.280 For years, people have believed and sometimes provided alleged proof 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:02.040 of a panther population of Virtis country. The story goes 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:05.240 that during World War Two, US soldiers kept big cats 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:08.960 as mascots on ships and encampments around the world as mascots. 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:13.400 That fact is actually true. There's many photographs of US 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.359 soldiers with large cats as their mascots in the encampments, 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.280 but the story continues that at the end of their deployment, 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:21.240 rather than take the animals back to the US or 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:25.080 have the mutinized, the soldiers release them into the Australian bush. Then, 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.520 over time they've bred with feral cats and produced a 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:28.520 viable population. 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:29.440 Whoa. 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:34.240 The story is widely unlikely, and even if it was true, 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.960 the melanistic gene which turns leopards and jaguar's black is 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:39.840 regressive and non hereditary. 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:42.560 Ah they would have been bred out by now anyway, 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:43.159 So if. 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.120 There were panthers or leopards in the bush, they would 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:46.719