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Speaker 1: This is gem Nation with Jonesy and Claire Stevens from

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Speaker 1: MoMA MIA's canceled podcast.

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Speaker 2: Is here with us. Amanda's not here, She's.

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Speaker 1: Got the COVID has has there been stories that has

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Speaker 1: been heartfelt emotion coming from.

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Speaker 2: The corridors of Mama Mia about this course of people.

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Speaker 3: Concerned, absolutely devastated. But Jones are You're doing a great

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Speaker 3: job on your own.

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Speaker 2: Just a tad, it really is.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad now you've got some company.

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Speaker 2: It is you just look at the window.

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Speaker 1: It's so tragic, that is.

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Speaker 2: It's sad. It's like playing tennis by yourself. There's no point,

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Speaker 2: there's no point.

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Speaker 3: It's very sad. Well, I've got a story for you,

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Speaker 3: great gift.

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Speaker 1: Can I just start with Harry, Meghan, will and Catherine.

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Speaker 1: I think they're all getting on well. But every woman

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Speaker 1: I speak to they say, you're an idiot, and this.

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Speaker 3: Is why we need a woman to come talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Jones, Am I an idiot?

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Speaker 3: You're missing something? I am so on Saturday, You're right, William, Kate,

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Speaker 3: Harry and Meghan, they reunited at Windsor Castle, where they

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Speaker 3: greeted mourners after the death of their grandmother. Queen Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: I not sure if you're aware that she died, and

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Speaker 3: I was saddened.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm found out on Friday. You know how I

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Speaker 1: found out. I got to work here, there was about

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Speaker 1: eight million calls on my phone.

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Speaker 2: Got to work.

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Speaker 1: Jackie O was here and you never usually see JACKIEO

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Speaker 1: at this time of morning. Yeah, And I said, hey,

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Speaker 1: how are you because she parks next to me and

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Speaker 1: she says, well, it's a sad dad, And I said,

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Speaker 1: what happened?

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Speaker 2: She said, but the queen died.

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Speaker 3: She had no idea.

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Speaker 2: She gave me the news and I was like, really upset.

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Speaker 3: Had you not checked your phone? No?

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Speaker 1: I never checked my phone. I just got you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ride a motorbike, so I just got here.

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Speaker 3: You're the weirdest person ever. But okay, who doesn't check

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Speaker 3: their phone person in the morning, but anyone. It was

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Speaker 3: the first time that those four had appeared together at

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Speaker 3: a public engagement since March twenty twenty, and that's over

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Speaker 3: two years. They did all attend events for the Queen's

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Speaker 3: Platinum Jubilee in June, but reportedly they didn't speak. And

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Speaker 3: it was also fundamentally different because this event on the

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Speaker 3: weekend was just the four of them as a united

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Speaker 3: front greeting the public. Royal sources say the Duke and

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Speaker 3: Duchess of Sussex were only asked to join Prince William

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Speaker 3: and Princess Kate an hour before the appearance, and there

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Speaker 3: were negotiations beforehand that delayed their arrival super last minute.

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Speaker 2: So Charles has had the big word.

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Speaker 3: Yes, apparently it was a phone call from Charles and

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Speaker 3: then William extended the olive branch. So a lot of

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Speaker 3: people who have watched the footage say, Megan looks uncomfortable.

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Speaker 3: Have you seen the footage or have you just seen

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Speaker 3: phone I just still have pictures, okay, because in the

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Speaker 3: pictures they look great, Yes, they look great. They can

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Speaker 3: they really? They do well in a black.

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Speaker 2: Dress, don't they. It looks like a scene from a

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Speaker 2: TV show.

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Speaker 3: It does, and they just oh, it looks great. But

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Speaker 3: then you watch the footage and people have obviously zoomed

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Speaker 3: in on every interaction and number of stories have gone

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Speaker 3: viral about Meghan, including her being snubbed by mourners. So

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Speaker 3: there's this footage where you can see her going to

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Speaker 3: shake people's hands and there are people not shaking her

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Speaker 3: hand and then she kind of rubs their arms.

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Speaker 2: Well she does a scumit.

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Speaker 3: She does like oh god, it's so uncomfortable. And then

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Speaker 3: there's another woman who just averts her gaze and won't

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Speaker 3: look at Meghan at all and then kind of gives

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Speaker 3: the woman next to her like a smirk like I'm

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Speaker 3: not talking to her. It's very, very uncomfortable. It's painful

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Speaker 3: to watch. With that said, she did get a lot

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Speaker 3: of support from the crowd, with people giving her flowers

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Speaker 3: and one big hug that got photographed and plasted everywhere.

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Speaker 3: But another story from the walkaround was about Meghan being

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Speaker 3: rude to a Royal aid. So there's no audio, but

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Speaker 3: there's footage of this aid that kind of taps her

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Speaker 3: and whispers something to her, and she's quite animated and

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Speaker 3: kind of points behind him, and it seems like she's saying,

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Speaker 3: leave me alone, go over there. That's what you would

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Speaker 3: think she was saying, but there's no audio, so we're

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Speaker 3: reading into that. But it is a little bit uncomfortable

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Speaker 3: because there were all the rumors that she bullied the

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Speaker 3: Royal aids, so people are like, this is evidence, this

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Speaker 3: is evidence. So that's going viral as well. But the

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Speaker 3: consensus seems to be that the appearance was an olive

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Speaker 3: branch Prince William trying to make peace with his brother,

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Speaker 3: and it's rumored that that decision did come from Charles.

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Speaker 3: But I do really want to talk about Meghan for

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Speaker 3: a moment, because I reckon this is such a crucial

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Speaker 3: moment for her. Because as humans, it's often easier to

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Speaker 3: feel angry than it is to feel sad. So when

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Speaker 3: people are grieving, I reckon, they go for, like, who

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Speaker 3: can we be mad at in this situation? I happened

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Speaker 3: with Diana and it was the paparazzi and it was

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Speaker 3: a little bit the Queen, and now it's Megan and

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Speaker 3: some of the trending hashtags Meghan Markle is a narcist,

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Speaker 3: Meghan Markle is a liar, She's toxic, Go home, She's

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Speaker 3: a monster. People are just so furious. And then these

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Speaker 3: are some of the headlines. They say the cause of

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Speaker 3: death was Meghan Markle's podcast. That's a headline from the Dailymail.

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Speaker 3: Charles told Harry not to bring me Egan to bow

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Speaker 3: Moral to see Diane Queen. Inside the half hour of

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Speaker 3: frantic discussions triggered when incredulous Aids heard that the Sussexes

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Speaker 3: were both coming.

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Speaker 2: To bow Moral, and is that true?

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Speaker 1: Did Charles actually say don't bring your missus?

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Speaker 3: Well, it does sound like the Sussexes did both say. Well,

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Speaker 3: there was an announcement that Meghan and Harry were going

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Speaker 3: to bow Moral, and then very soon after that was

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Speaker 3: retracted and it's like Harry's just going, but Kate's stay.

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Speaker 3: Kate didn't go either, So the women didn't go. It

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Speaker 3: was the brothers who went. So it's not as bad

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Speaker 3: as it looks. But there are rumors that it's because

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Speaker 3: of tensions with the royal family. But these headlines about

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Speaker 3: Meghan are so horrible, and there's nothing about Andrew, which

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Speaker 3: you know, maybe maybe the Queen died of shame, maybe

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Speaker 3: she like, there's none of that.

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Speaker 1: She don't do it to a man, so compared to

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Speaker 1: a podcast or being a pedophile, which ones.

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Speaker 3: Worse, which is worse, it's so bad. So already there's

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Speaker 3: been commentary about Megan not accompanying Harry to about Moral.

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Speaker 3: People reading into that, but there's so much we don't

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Speaker 3: and we'll never know, and so I hope in the

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Speaker 3: next few weeks it doesn't become about Meghan being a villain.

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Speaker 3: Do you think public opinions about.

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Speaker 2: Her my wife. She So you've seen the movie The

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Speaker 2: Big Lebowski, I have not.

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Speaker 1: In it, John Goodman plays this Vietnam veteran that's returned

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Speaker 1: and as soon as like it will be totally normal,

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Speaker 1: and then as soon as he talks about how they

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Speaker 1: were neglected during the war, he just goes into this tirade.

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Speaker 1: My wife does exactly that. She goes full John Goodman.

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Speaker 1: Every time you even mention the word Meghan, and my

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Speaker 1: wife's not a swearer, but the amount, it's like you're

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Speaker 1: you're at a Kevin Bloody Wilson show.

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Speaker 2: She just goes.

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Speaker 3: Crazy positive or negative.

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Speaker 2: Negative, It's just.

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Speaker 1: Like this whole tirade, and I just go, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 2: Relax. Men don't see the big deal. No.

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Speaker 3: I think women have really strong opinions about her either way.

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Speaker 3: And it'll be interesting to see what this situation does,

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Speaker 3: because it's bringing the family back together and whether people

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Speaker 3: read into it that Meghan know disrupted the family and

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Speaker 3: the queen's last few years, or if this is just

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Speaker 3: this is just how family is, This is just.

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Speaker 1: What happens, This is just how families are exactly always

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Speaker 1: comes with the dad ringing up.

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Speaker 2: Come on mate, come on, Grandma has passed away. Invite

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Speaker 2: your brother