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Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily ODS. It is Thursday,

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Speaker 1: the seventh of July. I hope you've had a fantastic

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Speaker 1: week so far. My name is Sam Kazlowski, joined by

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Speaker 1: editor Billy Fitzimon's to take you through the news. Billy,

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Speaker 1: on today's deep Dive, we're going to be talking about

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Speaker 1: the latest scandal to engulf Boris Johnson and his Prime

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Speaker 1: ministership in the UK. It could be the straw that

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Speaker 1: breaks the camel's back. We'll talk you through why in

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Speaker 1: a minute. But first, Billy, what is the latest from

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Speaker 1: the flood zones in New South Wales.

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Speaker 2: Flood affected residents in New South Wales will be eligible

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Speaker 2: for a one thousand dollars recovery payment from today. Adults

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Speaker 2: living in the twenty three New South Wales local government

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Speaker 2: areas where a natural disaster has been declared will be

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Speaker 2: eligible for the one off payment, while children will receive

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Speaker 2: four hundred dollars. It will be jointly funded by the

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Speaker 2: New South Wales and Federal governments.

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Speaker 1: Australian tennis player Darius Saville revealed to The Dally Oz

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Speaker 1: yesterday that she needed to skip her period for Wimbledon

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Speaker 1: because of the all white dress code. It came as

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Speaker 1: other female players have spoke out about how the dress

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Speaker 1: code can contribute to elevated levels of stress at the tournament.

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Speaker 1: Saville said that she didn't want to worry about bleeding

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Speaker 1: through as we already have enough stress.

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Speaker 2: The suspected gun man behind the shooting that killed seven

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Speaker 2: people in Illinois this week is said to have planned

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Speaker 2: the attack for several weeks, according to a spokesman for

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Speaker 2: the county's Major Crime task Force. The sole suspect, a

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Speaker 2: twenty one year old man, is said to have legally

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Speaker 2: purchased firearms for the shooting, which also injured at least

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Speaker 2: thirty people.

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Speaker 1: And today's good news, New Zealand Cricket has struck a

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Speaker 1: five year deal that will pay its women cricketers the

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Speaker 1: same match fees as their male counterparts, in what is

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Speaker 1: being described as a landmark agreement between New Zealand Cricket,

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Speaker 1: its major associations and players' unions. The deal will begin

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Speaker 1: on the first of August this year. Billy, it's time

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Speaker 1: for another episode of what is happening to Boris Johnson's

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Speaker 1: Prime Ministership. It's been a bit of a saga, started

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Speaker 1: with Party Gate Now a few other things have happened

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Speaker 1: and we're going to take you through them in a minute.

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Speaker 1: But once again he is under some intense pressure. Just

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Speaker 1: last month, he faced a potential leadership spill from his

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Speaker 1: own Conservative party room, often referred to simply as Tories.

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Speaker 1: So when you hear Tories in this podcast, think Conservative Party,

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Speaker 1: think Boris Johnson. Now he survived this after receiving most

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Speaker 1: of his party's support. So why are we talking about

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Speaker 1: this again? Sam?

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Speaker 2: I've almost lost count of how many times we've had

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Speaker 2: a story come to us that is basically, will Boris

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Speaker 2: Johnson resign this week?

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Speaker 1: So why are we here this week?

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Speaker 2: Well, a number of high profile resignations from Tory members

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Speaker 2: of Parliament, which, as Sam said, is the party that

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Speaker 2: Boris Johnson is a part of. A number of resignations

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Speaker 2: have happened, and that's shown the dwindling levels of trust

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Speaker 2: and confidence that Johnson's party has in him. So this

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Speaker 2: week members of the Johnson government resigned from the UK cabinet,

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Speaker 2: and these were Rishi Sunak, who holds the role equivalent

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Speaker 2: to Australia's Treasurer, the Health Secretary, Saji Javid, and Solicitor

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Speaker 2: General Alex Chalk and so upon their resignations, each MP

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Speaker 2: took some parting shots at Johnson, with each of them

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Speaker 2: accusing the government of being incompetent and acting without integrity.

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Speaker 2: We also had the resignation of the Torri's Vice chair

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Speaker 2: for Youth, bim Afolami, who took to live TV in

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Speaker 2: Britain to announce his decision. All right, well, so if

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Speaker 2: you return your position, you're not resigning as vice chirv.

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Speaker 1: Well no, look, I think I have to.

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Speaker 3: I think you have to resign. You have to resign

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Speaker 3: because I can't serve under the Prime Minister. But I

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Speaker 3: say that with regret because I think this government's done

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Speaker 3: some great things.

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Speaker 2: So it's been a pretty bad week for Johnson, which

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Speaker 2: could stand to still get worse.

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Speaker 1: So it was only a month ago that Johnson faced

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Speaker 1: We saw it live on television. It was quite dramatic,

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Speaker 1: lots of shouting, but he did survive. Is there any

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Speaker 1: reason why these MPs only decided to resign now? Not

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Speaker 1: immediately after? Johnson kept his posting as so each.

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Speaker 2: Of the three MPs who resigned had a resignation letter

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Speaker 2: which had been made public, and in reading the statements,

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Speaker 2: it looks to be a cumulative effect of controversies and

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Speaker 2: mistakes from Johnson that has led them to break away

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Speaker 2: from the cabinet. But one thing was clear that the

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Speaker 2: common denominator is their lack of trust in Johnson himself.

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Speaker 2: And so these include the party gate scandal, which was

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Speaker 2: and for his management of a lobbying scandal by one

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Speaker 2: of his MP's last year. But it looks to be

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Speaker 2: the most recent gaff involving Johnson, which came out after

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Speaker 2: that leadership spill you mentioned, Sam might have been the

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Speaker 2: one that finally pushed these members over the edge. And

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Speaker 2: so this involves another Tory member of Parliament whose name

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Speaker 2: is Chris Pincher, and the handling of sexual misconduct claims

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Speaker 2: targeted at Pincher which surfaced last week. So Johnson's offers

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Speaker 2: claimed that the Prime Minister wasn't aware of these claims,

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Speaker 2: although a former public servant came out after this saying

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Speaker 2: that Johnson did in fact know for several years about

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Speaker 2: this and that he was told in person. And so

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Speaker 2: despite Johnson allegedly knowing about Pincher's alleged conduct. Pincher was

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Speaker 2: allowed to continue in ministerial positions and was even given

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Speaker 2: a promotion in February of this year. And this is

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Speaker 2: what Johnson said this week when asked if he thought

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Speaker 2: it was an error to appoint Pincher to his government.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think it was a mistake, and I apologize

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Speaker 3: for it. I think, in hindsight it was the wrong

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Speaker 3: thing to do. Apologize to everybody who's been badly affected

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Speaker 3: by it. So I just want to make absolutely clear

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Speaker 3: that there's no place in this government for anybody who

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Speaker 2: As you heard in that clip, Johnson did seem apologetic

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Speaker 2: for his actions and said that his government wouldn't tolerate

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Speaker 1: And so we heard a few comments from the Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister there in relafe two Pincher's misconducts. But has Boris

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Speaker 1: Johnson said anything about resigning from the position himself.

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Speaker 2: No, He has remained tight lipped about his own actions

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Speaker 2: in the wake of his cabinet's resignations, only thanking the

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Speaker 2: departing ministers for their service to the government. But he

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Speaker 2: has already appointed two new ministers to fill the gaps

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Speaker 2: that were left open earlier this week, which looks like

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Speaker 2: a sign that he's looking to refill his cabinet and

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Speaker 2: basically get back to business right.

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Speaker 1: And so, given there was a leadership spill last month,

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Speaker 1: are we likely to see another leadership spill or is

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Speaker 1: it more likely now that Johnson has to resign by himself.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So if Johnson is no longer to be the

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Speaker 2: because of a rule that says that there can't be

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Speaker 2: a confidence vote, which is the party room test that

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Speaker 2: And so this means that the next Tory confidence vote

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Speaker 2: won't be able to take place until June twenty twenty three. However,

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Speaker 2: that rule could be altered. It's being reported that some

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Speaker 2: Tory members are seeking a change to the rule, which

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Speaker 2: would allow an immediate confidence vote if there is a

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Speaker 2: higher than normal amount of MPs who wish to hold

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Speaker 2: the vote. So normally only fifteen percent of Tory representatives

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Speaker 2: in the House of Commons need to support a confidence

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Speaker 2: vote for it to happen, but under a proposed rule change,

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Speaker 2: a twenty five percent quoter has been floated for a

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Speaker 2: vote to happen immediately. Now, as it stands, this is

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Speaker 2: just talk. You know, there's no formal arrangements that have

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Speaker 2: been put in place to investigate the rule. So basically,

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Speaker 2: in the short term, to answer your question, Sam Johnson

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Speaker 2: would need to resign to pass on his duties to

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Speaker 2: someone else.

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Speaker 1: I love the idea that if you don't like a rule,

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Speaker 1: you can just change the rule. Just before we wrap up, Billy,

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Speaker 1: can you point us to any other examples of Tory

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Speaker 1: prime ministers who did end up resigning after surviving a

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Speaker 1: confidence vote like the position Johnson finds himself in now, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well there's been quite a so. Johnson's predecessor, Theresa May,

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Speaker 2: she resigned in twenty nineteen after surviving a confidence vote

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Speaker 2: just the year prior, and May's downfall was largely linked

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Speaker 2: with the UK's departure from the European Union, which you

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Speaker 2: might know is Brexit. And we can also look at

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Speaker 2: Margaret Thatcher, who was a Tory PM for eleven years,

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Speaker 2: and she was convinced to stand down in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: after she appeared likely to lose a second confidence vote,

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Speaker 2: So history basically tells us that if you have one

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Speaker 2: confidence vote, the future doesn't look too bright. But if

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Speaker 2: we come back to the president, Johnson's story still isn't

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Speaker 2: finished yet and there is a precedent that wouldn't bring

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Speaker 2: too much comfort to the current British PM.

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Speaker 1: As great Australian rock band Ocean Alley once said, it's

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Speaker 1: all about confidence, baby, and doesn't look like Johnson has

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Speaker 1: too much of that within his own ranks at the moment.

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Speaker 1: That's all we've got time for on today's episode of

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Speaker 1: The Daily Os. I'm going to be joined by Maddy

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Speaker 1: and Sophie from Your and Good Company on tomorrow's episode.

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Speaker 1: Until then, you can catch up with the news on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: There's some great stuff going up at the moment. I'm

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Speaker 1: very proud of the team. Have a fantastic Thursday and

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Speaker 1: we'll speak to you tomorrow