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Speaker 1: Coming up.

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Speaker 2: On today's show, The Ato cracks down on influencer gifting,

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Speaker 2: Justin McKean and Kristin Fisher set tongues wagging, the contentious

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Speaker 2: wedding trend prediction list, and Kayla It's seen As takes

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Speaker 2: followers inside her delivery room. Hello, and welcome to Outspoken.

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Speaker 2: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture

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Speaker 2: news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torbert and I've got

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Speaker 2: a question for you guys and the listeners. Do you

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Speaker 2: put the toothpaste cap on after you brush your teeth?

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Speaker 2: And it was a very hard hitting question one Kate

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Speaker 2: Torbert and No, I wouldn't put the cap on and

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Speaker 2: I just let the toothpaste spew out and get all gross.

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Speaker 2: But apparently on New Year's Eve we found that the

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Speaker 2: three of us were in the minority because you do

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Speaker 2: that too, don't you. At No, I'm actually reformed because

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Speaker 2: it became a little bit of a discussion point with

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Speaker 2: Dale and I of a discussion point.

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Speaker 1: Was it argument or I was an argument?

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Speaker 2: We were just joking around and he said that my

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Speaker 2: worst habit is how I leave the toothpastes, as I've

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Speaker 2: never seen anyone get so much dried toothpaste around the

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Speaker 2: top of it, And I didn't realize that most people

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Speaker 2: didn't have this issue. For those who don't know, our

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Speaker 2: mum is a dental therapist, and our whole lives, we've

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Speaker 2: always had it ingrained in us that we must brush

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Speaker 2: our teeth and you are never to leave the house

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Speaker 2: without brush teeth.

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Speaker 1: So we're not.

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Speaker 2: Pigs when it comes to brushing your teeth. But I

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Speaker 2: think we must have just grown up in a household

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Speaker 2: where you don't.

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Speaker 1: Put the cap on. Now, after finding out.

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Speaker 2: That we were in the minority, I did some googling

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Speaker 2: and apparently your toothpaste can get contaminated by bacteria if

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Speaker 2: you leave the cap off, which really grace me out.

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Speaker 2: And this is particularly the case if you leave your

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Speaker 2: toothpaste in the bathroom with a toilet. Don't we all

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Speaker 2: need some bugs though, you know what I mean, like

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Speaker 2: to build up our immune systems. Maybe we're healthier people

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Speaker 2: for leaving the cap off and getting some of.

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Speaker 1: That Pooh particles going.

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Speaker 2: I've actually seen there's a product on Amazon Sophie, and

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Speaker 2: I feel like you need to get it. They're actually

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Speaker 2: selling a self closing toothpaste lid. Oh my god, we

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Speaker 2: need to get one game changer. Aren't there some people

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Speaker 2: who are also fanatical about closing the toilet lid because

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Speaker 2: they don't want particles coming out of the toilet as well.

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Speaker 1: I get that of it.

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Speaker 2: You should one hundred percent be closing the lid of

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Speaker 2: the tally, of course, because if you flush pooh, particles

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Speaker 2: fly everywhere, and if you've got your toothbrush hour maybe

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Speaker 2: this is what my white blood cells low. Had a

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Speaker 2: dreamless night that we went down.

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Speaker 1: Yep, who was terrible?

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Speaker 2: You were in it? Two. There is a colonial woman

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Speaker 2: on the wing.

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Speaker 1: I saw her. There's something they're not telling um. Let's

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Speaker 1: get out. Let's top the doors and get out.

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Speaker 2: Justin McKee and has been spotted holidaying with influencer Kristen Fisher,

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Speaker 2: just three months on from his shock split from former

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Speaker 2: wife Olivia Rodgers Kate. This isn't the first woman he's

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Speaker 2: been linked to, no so, We've previously discussed a few

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Speaker 2: of Justin's potential love interests, but this one seems to

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Speaker 2: have the most legs so The pair were photographed together

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Speaker 2: at the AFL Grand Final in September, just a month

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Speaker 2: before Olivia announced the split. Now it appears they have

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Speaker 2: spent Christmas Day together in Justin's hometown of Western Australia,

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Speaker 2: and also a trip to Rotnest Island. Now, just and

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Speaker 2: Kristin both uploaded the same selfie of them looking cozy

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Speaker 2: together on Christmas Day, and Justin's brother is also in

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Speaker 2: the photo. Funnily enough, Justin originally shared a cropped version

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Speaker 2: of the photo, but in the version that Kristin later uploaded,

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Speaker 2: you can see that her leg is positioned towards his crotch,

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Speaker 2: which looks a bit suggestive. When I first saw this photo,

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Speaker 2: I thought, is this Justin's brother's girlfriend.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not his girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: Well, you say the photo is cozy, but I think

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Speaker 2: the thing that makes it not look cupply is the

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Speaker 2: that's been purposely done though, I don't know. I think

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Speaker 2: if you were trying to keep a relationship under wraps,

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Speaker 2: you wouldn't post about the person at all. Look, I'll

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Speaker 2: go into it because there's more clues that this could

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Speaker 2: be a relationship. So on Justin's holiday photos, Kristin wrote

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Speaker 2: what a Time, followed by three Blue Love heart emojis. Now,

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Speaker 2: while they didn't appear in a photo together at Rotnest Island,

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Speaker 2: a friend tag them both on the trip. Now there

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Speaker 2: are also a bunch of flirty messages back and forth

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Speaker 2: in the Instagram comments, just as I point out, you're

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Speaker 2: calling them flirt. Yeah, not necessarily flirt.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's deaf.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me see if you guys think this is flirty.

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Speaker 2: So Justin commented on Kristen's latest photo from the trip,

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Speaker 2: fucking miss our loose chats already, She replied, never forget,

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Speaker 2: then an emoji of a camel and the word woman,

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Speaker 2: kiss kiss kiss. That could almost be a matey conversation.

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Speaker 2: I just playing dead, was ada. Could they be family friends? Well,

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Speaker 2: she did grow up in Broom, so they clearly have

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Speaker 2: got a friendship previously. I think they probably hang around

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Speaker 1: Let me finish though.

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Speaker 2: So. Justin also responded to a commenter that wrote all

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Speaker 2: the boys, and he wrote back, she's one in a

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Speaker 2: million a I'd love if they turned out to be

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Speaker 2: family members or something, Kate, because you have egg Now,

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Speaker 2: I will point out that Kristin did share the photo

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Speaker 2: of her and Justin and Justin's brother to her story

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Speaker 2: when he originally uploaded it and wrote something about how

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Speaker 2: the boys were both single and slide into their dms.

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Speaker 2: And people are going to say, oh, well, she's they're

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Speaker 2: obviously not together. But I think that might be a

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Speaker 2: trying to put people off the scent, because this isn't

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Speaker 2: the first high profile relationship or rumored relationship Kristin is

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Speaker 2: meant to have been in. So back in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 2: she was accused of having an affair with hairdresser Tom Cole.

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Speaker 1: Now, the issue was that both of.

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Speaker 2: Them were married to other people at the time. Kristin

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Speaker 2: also romantically been linked to former cricketer Michael Clark. Now,

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Speaker 2: she reportedly hooked up with him at a New Year's

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Speaker 2: it's worth pointing out that wh're not saying that Justin

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Speaker 2: and Kristen had an affair. No, we're not. I'm just

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Speaker 2: with Stu Lawndi, who was previously on Sophie Monks series

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Speaker 2: Thing that I've quite interesting is that she's also an

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Speaker 2: for those who aren't across what she's known for. She

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Speaker 2: is known as the Eyebrow Queen and she was born

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Speaker 2: in Broom, as you said, Kate, before moving to Sydney.

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Speaker 2: She also has a bit of controversy around her. She

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Speaker 2: was caught by police in possession of cocaine in a

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Speaker 2: she was originally convicted of drug possession. However, the conviction

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Speaker 2: she's had quite a controversial background. I'm surprised this is

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Speaker 2: She does sound a little bit different to the golden

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Speaker 2: I'm going to put it out there. I'm not convinced

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Speaker 2: you're going out out with a bit of flirty though,

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Speaker 2: because they're both single, you know when there's a bit.

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Speaker 1: Of like, oh you're single.

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Speaker 2: I honestly think she's just trying to get people off

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Speaker 2: That's just my gut feel. I don't know why you

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Speaker 2: against your theory, k is it. A lot of these

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Speaker 2: does make sense that after going through a divorce, perhaps

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Speaker 2: you've made at home during this time. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I find it a bit suss that he was photographed

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Speaker 2: but it wasn't just those two together. It was a

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Speaker 1: There's always a group of friends.

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Speaker 2: You're never going to upload a single photo of you

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Speaker 2: with your you know someone that you're with that you're

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Speaker 2: trying to hide. Well yeah, Kate, you're convinced, Aman I

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Speaker 2: think in our Facebook group.

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Speaker 1: What have you been doing? Pop specs ad? What pop

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Speaker 1: Specs starting? We're doing a new ad upmarketing the image.

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Speaker 2: The Australian Taxation is cracking down on Australia's multi million

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Speaker 2: dollar influencer industry. It's vowing to tax influencers for gifts

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Speaker 1: So what is going on?

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Speaker 2: Well, The Daily Telegraph's entertainment reporter Jonathan Moran broke this

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Speaker 2: story and he revealed the influencers will now have to

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Speaker 2: declare gifted items on their tax return. So that means

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Speaker 2: the value of the gift must be declared as income.

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Speaker 2: So to put this into context, if we think about

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Speaker 2: influencer Jade Tunci, she's really well known for promoting high

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Speaker 2: end luxury brands, so quite often she receives Gucci handbags

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Speaker 2: in exchange for promotional posts. So therefore, if she receives

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Speaker 2: a Gucci bag that's valued at five thousand dollars, that

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Speaker 2: five thousand dollars is then added onto her taxable income.

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Speaker 2: This really relies on the influencer knowing how much the

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Speaker 2: products are that they're gifted. I can see this getting

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Speaker 2: very messy very quickly, particularly for those influencers that do

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Speaker 2: those massive holes on their channel and they just go through.

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Speaker 1: A bunch of cosmetics and other.

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Speaker 2: Random Well that's a thing in regards to some of

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Speaker 2: these luxury handbags. Often they're given handbags that haven't even

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Speaker 2: been released in stores yet, so it's really hard for

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Speaker 2: them to put a dollar value on that product. Well,

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Speaker 2: actually I disagree with that Amy. I think that luxury

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Speaker 2: items are a bit easier to track because they will

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Speaker 2: eventually go up for sale. I think it will get

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Speaker 2: to a point where the brands and partnership managers will

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Speaker 2: to make the whole process a lot easier. It also

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Speaker 2: reveals in this article that influencers won't be able to

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Speaker 2: be deceptive and hide what they've been gifted. So the

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Speaker 2: ATO actually has this data matching technology that allows them

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Speaker 2: to compare the influencers tax returns with their lifestyle and

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Speaker 2: valuables that they have splashed on their social media account.

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Speaker 2: I love to know how this works, and you need

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Speaker 2: to be very sophisticated technology. What if there's influencers out

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Speaker 2: there that genuinely have fake products because I remember back

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Speaker 2: But see, this is where it gets really murky, because

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Speaker 2: Every month they gifted about ten pieces in the new

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Speaker 2: same for renting out cars to influencers because they benefit

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Speaker 2: Because Kayla did several times ask her followers what she

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Speaker 2: recently that this sort of sounded pretty normal to Jackson's

436
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,720
Speaker 2: pretty popular, especially after Sons of Anarchy, so many people

437
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,000
Speaker 2: were called Jack's after that hot guy on there. I

438
00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,159
Speaker 2: just wonder if Kayla was watching Love Island and got

439
00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:57,399
Speaker 2: the name.

440
00:19:58,440 --> 00:19:59,680
Speaker 1: But here's what spelt disc.

441
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,919
Speaker 2: I mean, you can find out for you on now.

442
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 2: Kayla did reveal earlier in the year that she was

443
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,840
Speaker 2: planning on having a sea section and was preparing for

444
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,480
Speaker 2: the recovery process in regards to her fitness, so she

445
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,119
Speaker 2: said that the surgery means she will be focusing on

446
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 2: lower intensity workouts while rebuilding her strength. And the couple

447
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,919
Speaker 2: did share quite intimate photos that were taken in the

448
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,680
Speaker 2: delivery room. So we saw Kayla and Jay in their

449
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,320
Speaker 2: blue hospital gowns kissing before Kayla went into the delivery room,

450
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 2: as well as Jay looking over the curtain to watch

451
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,639
Speaker 2: the baby be born. Now, the Daily Mail described the

452
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 2: photos as graphic photos of the sea section, which just

453
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 2: wasn't true. I mean, there was a tiny bit of

454
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 2: blood on the baby's leg, but I'd hardly say that

455
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,400
Speaker 2: these were graphic photos.

456
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:41,480
Speaker 1: Now, learns her all.

457
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 2: It's not like the Daily Mail to beat things up

458
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,920
Speaker 2: with it no. Now. As we mentioned, Kayla does share

459
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,320
Speaker 2: her first child, Anna, with her ex Toby Pierce, and

460
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 2: she shared a very adorable first meeting between the new

461
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,439
Speaker 2: brother and sister. And in the video, Anna is holding

462
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 2: Jack saying I'm loving my baby, and she also gave

463
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,359
Speaker 2: a little Eskimo kiss.

464
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 1: These two look so cute together.

465
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Speaker 2: I just love Anna. She seems like she has such

466
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 2: a great personality and she seems like the heart and

467
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 2: soul of that family, Like everyone lights up when she

468
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 2: seems to be in the videos and in the room.

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Speaker 1: There's been an accident. I'm not a horse and buggy, No, Kim,

470
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:16,439
Speaker 1: it's Britt.

471
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 2: Apparently they found him down a Flinders street station, naked, tard,

472
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 2: faired and unconscious.

473
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,119
Speaker 1: They're cleaning him up, but he's going to be a

474
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Speaker 1: little bit late for the Church of my friend.

475
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 2: Typical heysam having a good time.

476
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Speaker 1: While I have more than I I can't even go.

477
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,640
Speaker 2: Like bloody Mary, if you're planning a wedding this year,

478
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 2: then you may have to brace yourself for an awkward conversation.

479
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 2: Apparently bride'smaids and having your dad walk you down the

480
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 2: aisle are both out in twenty twenty three. Now this

481
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 2: is very controversial.

482
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Speaker 1: Kate.

483
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 2: Your wedding is just ten days out. Is there something

484
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Speaker 2: you need to tell us? It's definitely too late for

485
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 2: me to be making any radical calls like that. I'm

486
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 2: like many people online have been taken aback by the

487
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 2: in and out list created by Instagram account the Bridal Journey.

488
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 2: For those who don't follow the account, they have over

489
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Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty four thousand followers and they are

490
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Speaker 2: the creators behind a great wedding podcast we have recommended

491
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 2: before called The U and Me Podcast. They also have

492
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Speaker 2: a bridle shop called Reveiled, where they resell premium wedding items.

493
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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Late last week, they shared a prediction list of what

495
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Speaker 2: will be in and out for weddings in twenty twenty three,

496
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Speaker 2: and I'm sure everyone's feeds have been flooded with these

497
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 2: types of lists ever since the new year. I don't

498
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 2: think the creators, though, anticipated the backlash that ensued. It

499
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 2: turned out the predictions were very controversial, so I think

500
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Speaker 2: we should go through the list.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

502
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Speaker 2: So the Bridal Journey predicted the following things to be

503
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 2: in long lunch weddings, eighty style cakes, color, candid photos,

504
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 2: small weddings, traditional wedding gowns, batite poquets, fun weddings that

505
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 2: feel like parties, authenticity, low key hair, sheer, fabric, baby

506
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 2: blue dressers, cute small embroidery details. I have to agree

507
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 2: with the retro eighties cakes because I've just ordered one

508
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 2: of those heart shape, brightly colored retro cakes for my

509
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 2: engagement party and I'm seeing them everywhere.

510
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Speaker 1: Eh, So you're saying you're a bit of a trendshit

511
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,719
Speaker 1: now I'm not following the trends now.

512
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Speaker 2: I think the reason why the list has got so

513
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: much backlash is because they've picked a side on some

514
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 2: very hotly debated topics. And I've found since getting engaged

515
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 2: that a lot of people ask, oh, so are you

516
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,679
Speaker 2: changing your name? And previously it was of course very

517
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Speaker 2: much expected for women to take on their husband's names,

518
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Speaker 2: But these days it's actually a decision, which I think

519
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 2: is great, but it does make things really tricky because

520
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: there are so many things to contemplate when making the decision.

521
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 2: And for me, I've been reflecting on whether creating my

522
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: own new family unit and the desire to have the

523
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,959
Speaker 2: same names as my kids is and good enough reason

524
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Speaker 2: to then give up my name that is linked so

525
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 2: much to my own personal identity. But I think they've

526
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: got it right on the list then as putting this

527
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Speaker 2: as an out, because I think that a lot of women,

528
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Speaker 2: now because it is a choice, are moving away from

529
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Speaker 2: just doing the stock Center thing of taking on your husbands. Yes,

530
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Speaker 2: but I think people have found that effect. It's because

531
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 2: it's such a personal decision, and I think there's somewhat

532
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 2: of this vibe that if you do take your husband's name,

533
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Speaker 2: then you're not a feminist and you're not doing the

534
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 2: right thing. I think it's more so that there have

535
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Speaker 2: been some high profile people recently who have decided to

536
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Speaker 2: keep their own name, and you know, like Laura hensh Or,

537
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 2: her husband took her last name. So I don't think

538
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Speaker 2: it's saying you have to do this in twenty twenty three.

539
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Speaker 2: It's just saying, these are predictions of big trends that

540
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Speaker 2: are about to happen. Yeah, but I think it's hard

541
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Speaker 2: for people to say it's a trend and something trend.

542
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Speaker 1: But these lists are a bit of fun as well.

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Speaker 2: And the fact that, as you said, it used to

544
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Speaker 2: not be a choice, the fact that it is a

545
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Speaker 2: choice now it means it is. But the thing is

546
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Speaker 2: that even though we're seeing high profile people do it,

547
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Speaker 2: I would say the majority still are taking their husband's name.

548
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Speaker 1: And I feel like it's.

549
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Speaker 2: Putting pressure on people that already feel enough pressure about

550
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Speaker 2: the decision that they should make and saying, oh, well,

551
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Speaker 2: you're not in.

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Speaker 1: Trend if you do changing her.

553
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Speaker 2: Well, you guys haven't decided triggered by listening, but a

554
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Speaker 2: lot of people are triggered by this listen.

555
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Speaker 1: That's for that reason.

556
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Speaker 2: A lot of older women I've spoken to say they

557
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: wish it was an option for them, and they would

558
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 2: have actually really loved to keep their surname. And I

559
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: think the reason it is such a big thing now

560
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 2: is because women are getting married so much older, so

561
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 2: they're having this identity where their surname is attached to it.

562
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 2: And even for me, I'm older than my partner, so

563
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Speaker 2: I think, why should I change my name when I've

564
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 2: been so But the debate, the debates about not whether

565
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: you should or shouldn't. It's saying that I don't think

566
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 2: it should have been on this controversial One of these

567
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 2: lists are supposed to create controversy. The one that's more controversial,

568
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Speaker 2: I think is the dad walking you down the aisle. Well, again,

569
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 2: like the name change, it has been seen as a

570
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Speaker 2: little bit anti feminist and old fashioned because the practice

571
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 2: dates back to when women were property of their fathers,

572
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: and the father giving the brider way was in exchange

573
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 2: for a dowry. But nobody that goes to a wedding.

574
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: I think in twenty twenty three views that as as

575
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Speaker 2: that tradition. It's you walk down the aisle with your dad.

576
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Speaker 2: That's what I agree. I totally agree, and I think

577
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 2: I think it's now just a tradition. Yes, it had

578
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: bad roots, but a lot of women look forward to

579
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: that moment and it's a special time with them and

580
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 2: their dad. I think a lot of people are also

581
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 2: including their mum in that as well, So I think

582
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: that's moving away from that old school view of what

583
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: it is. Again, there's not the thing that it comes

584
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: back to is it's all personal preference. There's nothing wrong

585
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 2: with doing it your.

586
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: Way, but it's just a list.

587
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like Laura Henshaw sort of sparked this

588
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: trend because she chose to walk down the aisle by

589
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Speaker 2: herself and not with her dad. What about no bridesmaids

590
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: because it seems like this idea has been sparked by

591
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Speaker 2: the pandemic and a lot of people had elopements and

592
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: smaller weddings.

593
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Speaker 1: I don't like it. I hate it.

594
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 2: I understand that it would be very cost effective to

595
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 2: have no bridesmaids or perhaps have one bridesmaid, but I

596
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 2: think bride'smaids or bridesmen create a lot of fun around

597
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 2: the event. They're very expensive. I can see why people

598
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 2: would want to cut them from a cost perspective, But

599
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 2: as you said, it's you know, it's such a nice

600
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: moment to share with your close friend. I do understand

601
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: though it can be controversial if maybe you're someone that

602
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: doesn't have a standout best friend, or you don't have

603
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: sisters and stuff. It's kind of like ranking your friends.

604
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 2: Well maybe there's listers all just based off inflation, because

605
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 2: everything's based on cost cutting. Keep your name, you don't

606
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 2: have to pay the fee, no dad, no suit and

607
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 2: everything involved. Also, it's quite costly to be a bride'smaid,

608
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: so maybe some people don't want to inflict that on

609
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: their friends. Why not just cancel weddings altogether? On this listen,

610
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: it is what you're getting married in good's not I

611
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 2: think one of the most contentious items on the outlist

612
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 2: was the multi day weddings, and a lot of people

613
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 2: took offense to this because in Asian culture it's tradition

614
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: to have multi day weddings. Someone commented, multiday weddings aren't

615
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: a trend for some, it's our tradition. Another person wrote,

616
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: multi day weddings out looks like someone who wrote this

617
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 2: has never been invited to an Indian wedding their loss.

618
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 2: I love feeling like I'm at wedding camp. I do

619
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: understand that, But I also think that people are being

620
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: a little bit over the top about an inns and

621
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Speaker 2: hours because I don't think they posted it with any

622
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: intention I beect. I think it was I think that

623
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 2: point was a bit silly to include. Probably just didn't.

624
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: I don't think that they meant harm. I think they

625
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 2: probably just didn't. Yeah, but that's a bit culturally insensitive,

626
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 2: particularly because multi day weddings are known to be, you know,

627
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: Indian weddings. A lot of people know them to be

628
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: multi day. So I can see how you would be

629
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 2: personally offended if your cultural tradition is seen as to

630
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: be on an out list and it's no longer trending.

631
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: Well.

632
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 2: The Bridal Journey was forced to put out a statement

633
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 2: following the backlash. They told their followers to take the

634
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 2: predictions with a grain of salt. They wrote, we decided

635
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: to jump on this lighthearted trending post where the Internet

636
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 2: is hilariously predicting twenty twenty three trends in and out.

637
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Speaker 1: It's a joke.

638
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: We are not saying that no one should have their

639
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: dad walk them down the aisle or anything like that,

640
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: but rather it is an observation of what we think

641
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: will happen this year based on the weddings we have

642
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: seen recently. They went on to say that there is

643
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: so much to be genuinely outraged by, like police brutality,

644
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: racial bias, climate change, that people need to direct their

645
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: anger to rather than a wedding trend list. They finished with, also,

646
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: no one is hated on the internet like someone who's

647
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: done something not that bad. I saw a story from

648
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: a photographer calling us to be canceled.

649
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: I roll emoji.

650
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: Can we just have fun again?

651
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: I have to.

652
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: Agree with their comment. I think that the intent of

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00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: this list was for it to be lighthearted, fun and yes,

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Speaker 2: a little bit controversial in parts, because that's what those

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Speaker 2: lists are, They're supposed to be a bit controversial. I

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Speaker 2: know when we put our power food Hierarchy list, we

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Speaker 2: always have a bit of fun and choose something that

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Speaker 2: we really like that we know a lot of people

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Speaker 2: don't like and put it up in the high tier.

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Speaker 2: This was all intended to generate engagement on the post

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Speaker 2: and chat. Just because something's in the outlist, it doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean you can't do it. I just feel like so

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Speaker 2: many people are triggered these days. I mean, for example,

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Speaker 2: Kate was getting triggered over the name change things. People

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Speaker 2: see these.

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Speaker 1: Lists and go, well, I don't agree with that. Maybe

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Speaker 1: we shouldn't go on about it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we shouldn't be poking brides though. Five ten days

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Speaker 2: out from my wedding and you know what, the list

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Speaker 2: did trigger me a bit. And I can see why

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Speaker 2: there was a lot of backl because your personal choices

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Speaker 2: for your wedding are so personal. I think maybe they

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Speaker 2: thought they were being woke in you know, having don't

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Speaker 2: have your dad walk you down the aisle and then

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Speaker 2: you know, keeping your name. Well, I think we should

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Speaker 2: wrap things up there, because we could go on for hours.

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