WEBVTT - MARC FENNELL UNPACKS THE STUFF THE BRITSH STOLE

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<v Speaker 1>It's in the news today, but it was actually on

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<v Speaker 1>TV Reload the podcast last week Airline. Welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>and our streaming services today. On the podcast, I have

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Fannell, who is an Australian film critic, technology journalist,

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<v Speaker 1>radio presenter, author and television presenter. His new series Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>the British Stole on the ABC, which launches on November one,

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<v Speaker 1>is a fantastic dive into historical artifacts that have stories

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<v Speaker 1>that will surprise and provoke conversation amongst the viewers. Mark

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<v Speaker 1>has a great turn of phrase and he knows how

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<v Speaker 1>to look for the hidden story. For years, I've loved

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<v Speaker 1>him as a film critic and I love his curiosity.

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<v Speaker 1>In every program he puts his name to, I will

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<v Speaker 1>ask him about the show's origins, what he thinks of

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<v Speaker 1>the British after making this series. If he thinks we

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<v Speaker 1>should form a republic, and if he is a Royalist,

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<v Speaker 1>there's plenty to one pack. However, let's get started with

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<v Speaker 1>today's guest. I'd like to welcome Mark Fannell from Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>the British Stole to TV Reload.

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<v Speaker 2>I think part of our fascination with the Royals is

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<v Speaker 2>it's this tenuous connection to something that is the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>of fairytales.

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<v Speaker 1>History is messy.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no such thing as a kind of simple

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<v Speaker 2>and straightforward, clean narrative. The bottom line is neither of

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<v Speaker 2>us would be here were it not for the British Empire.

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<v Speaker 1>This is fun.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like artists a detective novel. The reason this

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<v Speaker 2>show exists to go, what about the people that the

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<v Speaker 2>British royal family exploit it? Official records call it a gift.

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<v Speaker 1>That's our absolute Lord of horseship.

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<v Speaker 2>Is now the time for republic? Is now? Not the

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<v Speaker 2>time republic? I was interested to see that debate happened

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<v Speaker 2>quite fast. This says the story of you and me

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<v Speaker 2>and the Stuff the British Stole. What does it mean

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<v Speaker 2>that the people that were left out for the first

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<v Speaker 2>draft of History.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi Mark, thanks for coming on to the podcast and

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this exciting new series on the ABC Stuff The.

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<v Speaker 2>British Stole Yes, my incredibly spicily titled show. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for having me. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the title, and I didn't think I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to love the show because I wasn't sure how

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<v Speaker 1>invested I was going to be. But for people who

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<v Speaker 1>are listening to this podcast, it is very interesting and

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of draws you in, and the episodes are

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<v Speaker 1>way too short. That's what all I'm going to say is, well.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I joke that it's it's Indiana Jones and

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<v Speaker 2>revert right, like say Indiana Jones goes around the world

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<v Speaker 2>and says it belongs to a museum and then I

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<v Speaker 2>come along and go does it?

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<v Speaker 1>Though?

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<v Speaker 2>Like does it? It's funny because it started off as

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast, and in fact it's still a podcast. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to do more episodes. But it was actually a

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<v Speaker 2>joke between me and Jan Fran who people will know

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<v Speaker 2>from the Question Everything. We used to do a show

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<v Speaker 2>together and we were just joking years ago about how

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<v Speaker 2>many am stolen things around museums and she ended up

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<v Speaker 2>getting busy making successful TV shows and I happened to

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<v Speaker 2>be on my way to London from tam Too twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just brought my microphone with me and I

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<v Speaker 2>just started interviewing people, and I realized that there are

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<v Speaker 2>these incredible stories, you know, but hiding in museums. The

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<v Speaker 2>plaques often don't tell you the most of the story.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you pull back the threads on objects that

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<v Speaker 2>sitting these things, you've get incredible stories that reveal not

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<v Speaker 2>just about themselves and own the strange heists and stories

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<v Speaker 2>that involved in getting them in the museums, but it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of reveal stories about us, right, Like you and I

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<v Speaker 2>are talking in Australia. I'm half Indian, half Irish, I

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<v Speaker 2>was raised in Australia. I speak English. The bottom line

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<v Speaker 2>is neither of us would be here were it not

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<v Speaker 2>for the British Empire. Like we just wouldn't be right now.

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<v Speaker 2>You could argue that's a good thing or a bad thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's a thing, right, And I think it's about

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<v Speaker 2>those are the objects. They're a doorway, and if you

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<v Speaker 2>pull on the thread of them, you can tell a

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<v Speaker 2>very big story about you and me and how he

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<v Speaker 2>ended up here. That's kind of the goal of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we're going to get into a little bit about

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<v Speaker 1>Australians and our fascination with our heritage as we get

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<v Speaker 1>into this, But I just want to start by saying

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<v Speaker 1>I've always been a fan of your work as a presenter.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it originates for me with your passion of

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<v Speaker 1>film and pop culture. I feel like I've been watching

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<v Speaker 1>you on television for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know whether.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the Indian in you or what it is, but

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<v Speaker 1>you look the same age as when I first started

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<v Speaker 1>watching you.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what's going on. Can you not see

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<v Speaker 2>the close ups of all the gray hairs? That's very

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<v Speaker 2>kind of you. I'm going to take it. I will

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<v Speaker 2>also say that I think this camera that I've got

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment is does some weird AI thing that

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<v Speaker 2>makes my face look a lot younger than it actually is.

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<v Speaker 2>But thank you, the ABC cameras did not do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the millions of dollars we spent on computer

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<v Speaker 2>generating all my wrinkles away, it's clearly Workwhile how you

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<v Speaker 2>justify that to the public, I'll never know, But no,

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<v Speaker 2>that's very kind of you. It's interesting, like I have

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<v Speaker 2>had a weird career, Like my first job in television.

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<v Speaker 2>I was eighteen years old when I started on the

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<v Speaker 2>movie show actually on SBS, and I have no qualifications

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<v Speaker 2>to do any so I've sort of went from being

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<v Speaker 2>a film critic to covering technology, to interviewing celebrities and

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<v Speaker 2>doing kind of documentaries for the feed on SBS and

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<v Speaker 2>now this, And I think part of why, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>part of why it works, if you can say that

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<v Speaker 2>does work, is I'm genuinely curious. Like I'm genuinely curious

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<v Speaker 2>about everything, people, the past, future, and I think as

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<v Speaker 2>long as you can maintain that curiosity and convey that

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<v Speaker 2>to an audience, then I think it's watchable. It would

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<v Speaker 2>be my sort of take on why I'm still employed all.

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<v Speaker 1>But that has to be the thing, though, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for me to followed you throughout your career, it has

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<v Speaker 1>been your careosity. And I think that if in radio,

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<v Speaker 1>in podcasting, in television, if you are investigating something, if

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<v Speaker 1>you are curious and you are genuinely interested, I think

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<v Speaker 1>people want to come along with you. Because the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that I've started with movies and I've come with you

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<v Speaker 1>now to the stuff the British stole and I'm still

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<v Speaker 1>loving it means that it has a lot to do

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<v Speaker 1>with you as an investigative journalist.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it's very kind of you. It's dangerous because

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<v Speaker 2>now knowing that I'm going to go and pitch to

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<v Speaker 2>the ABC, Hey, I want to do a show just

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<v Speaker 2>about tax law or you know, franking credits, just to

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<v Speaker 2>see if I can make it interesting. Very hard over friend,

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<v Speaker 2>but I do like it's challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>Well what made me think sitting down with you today,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I'm so excited to have this chat and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, what are the projects? Like? What is

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<v Speaker 1>it about a project like this that attracts you to

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<v Speaker 1>the subject matter?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's interesting because it did. I mean it did

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<v Speaker 2>start as a bit of a as a joke between

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<v Speaker 2>me and Jan and there's no question. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was the moment I happened to be in the

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<v Speaker 2>UK the tail end of twenty nineteen and I was

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<v Speaker 2>I remember just standing in a museum looking at something,

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<v Speaker 2>just an object that ends up being the first episode

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<v Speaker 2>of the podcast, and just being like why are you here?

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<v Speaker 2>Like how did you get here? And the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>surprised me most, I must say is that when I

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<v Speaker 2>first made the podcast along for it was a TV show.

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<v Speaker 2>It ended up hitting number one on the Apple Podcast charts,

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<v Speaker 2>which and I remember looking at that just going, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not the only one who's curious about how we

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<v Speaker 2>got here, because at the end of the day, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what it's about. You know, the objects for a doorway,

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<v Speaker 2>they open up into a bigger world, right, And I

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<v Speaker 2>think you know when we pick objects, right, when we

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<v Speaker 2>pick objects for either the podcast and now the TV show,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not just looking for an object that has twists

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<v Speaker 2>and turns in its history. You're looking for something like

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<v Speaker 2>what does it reveal? What does it tell us about ourselves?

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<v Speaker 2>And all of the objects have actually come from the public, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So we set up an email address at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the making the first series, and we said to

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<v Speaker 2>people all around the world, and we said to people

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<v Speaker 2>all around the world, if you've ever seen an object

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<v Speaker 2>in a museum and you're curious about how God there,

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<v Speaker 2>just let us know. And that's where it's all come from.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's all come from people emailing us and going, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>there's this thing, and I don't understand how God there,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why they have a funnyccent what they do,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I think, you know, writing the wave of

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<v Speaker 2>that curiosity is I think in an important part of

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<v Speaker 2>why I think the show works and why it works

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<v Speaker 2>for me, because I genuinely love piecing together the story

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<v Speaker 2>and the two objects that I think the two episodes

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<v Speaker 2>that have been made available now, so some of those

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<v Speaker 2>objects are quite well known, but they've got all these

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<v Speaker 2>parts of their history that most people don't know. And

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<v Speaker 2>as we progress into the series further, the stories get

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<v Speaker 2>twistier and curlier. And I've been recently advised that the

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<v Speaker 2>word twistier is not a real world but to put

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<v Speaker 2>it into pilance, they get stranger as we go along.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's part of what I love about it,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like going on the journey. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>joke about it being Indiana Jones and reverse, but part

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<v Speaker 2>of me does enjoy sitting there and going, hold on,

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<v Speaker 2>how do these pieces fit together? That's obviously not just

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<v Speaker 2>me doing it. We did with the team, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>like I can hold on, if that guy got it

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<v Speaker 2>from there, how does it end up here? And you

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<v Speaker 2>look for the threads. It's it is a mystery. It

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<v Speaker 2>is unfolding history as a mystery. And that is I

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<v Speaker 2>think why it works.

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<v Speaker 1>It does, It really does work. And I think, overall,

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<v Speaker 1>what did you learn or what did you think you

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<v Speaker 1>walked away with thinking about the British Because for me,

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<v Speaker 1>I've watched two episodes and I'm starting to think that

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<v Speaker 1>they're elitist assholes dollar things like what did you walk

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<v Speaker 1>away thinking?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean it's interesting like I'm half Indian, half Irish,

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<v Speaker 2>raised in Australia. I wouldn't exist without a British Empire,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like that's that's the reality of it. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think the history of the British Empire is we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about an institution that at its peak commanded a

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<v Speaker 2>quarter the world's population and a quarter of the world's

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<v Speaker 2>land roughly. That's huge. It's fundamentally changed the course of history,

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<v Speaker 2>and to say it's all good or all bad is

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<v Speaker 2>probably not super helpful. And I think what is important

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<v Speaker 2>about the show is that focusing on an object in

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<v Speaker 2>one story allows you to illuminate the complicated parts of

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<v Speaker 2>that history, because if you just talk about the British

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<v Speaker 2>Empire being all good or all bad, you usually get

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<v Speaker 2>something wrong. And the other thing that really stands out

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<v Speaker 2>is that history is messy, and it doesn't just have heroes,

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<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't just have villains. It's always, always, always

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<v Speaker 2>more complicated, and I think picking apart one story allows

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<v Speaker 2>you to tell that story. In terms of what I

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<v Speaker 2>learned from it, I think the biggest thing for me

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<v Speaker 2>is that I realized that it had to be bigger

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<v Speaker 2>than just what British people in Britain did. And so

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<v Speaker 2>what you'll see as a series unfold is is we

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<v Speaker 2>look at objects that actually were taken by British subjects

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<v Speaker 2>in places like Australia and in places like Canada and

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<v Speaker 2>all around the world, because the Empire is so much

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<v Speaker 2>bigger than just the British isles, and so you know

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<v Speaker 2>there are objects that you know, I have a moment

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<v Speaker 2>where like is this stuff the British stole or stuff

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<v Speaker 2>the Australian style, And of course at the time those

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<v Speaker 2>events happened, it's both. You know, we're British subjects on

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<v Speaker 2>this land for a very long time, and so it

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<v Speaker 2>was about kind of taking a step back going this

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<v Speaker 2>story is so much bigger than just what a tiny

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<v Speaker 2>island in the north did. It's about it's about how

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the world was formed. And when you

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<v Speaker 2>start putting together those pieces, you get a really I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it definitely changed the way I saw Australia. It definitely

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<v Speaker 2>changed the way I saw Australia's history, both its colonial

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<v Speaker 2>history and its indigenous history, because you have to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of take a step back and go, oh, well, this

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<v Speaker 2>is our story too. We you know, it's not just

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<v Speaker 2>heading on the British. It's like it's like going, oh,

0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:44.200
<v Speaker 2>we as a nation have a fairly strong bit of

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<v Speaker 2>culpability here. It's like, oh, okay, oh that's why we

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<v Speaker 2>have that interesting and you know, like it's always tricky.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you've got institutions and galleries and museums that

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<v Speaker 2>really don't want the show to exist. I can tell

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<v Speaker 2>you that for nothing, and don't make it easy. And

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<v Speaker 2>you'll see some of the the very creative ways we

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<v Speaker 2>navigate that across the series. We've made it part of

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<v Speaker 2>the show. Whether when institutions didn't want to come to

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<v Speaker 2>the party and didn't want to be didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about what they had in their collections.

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<v Speaker 1>Hasn't this kind of stirred up regardless, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about this, but it's kind of stirs up

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<v Speaker 1>a lot for me, you know, and it made me

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<v Speaker 1>want to ask you about have you wanted Australia to

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<v Speaker 1>become a republic and separate from the Commonwealth. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that Julia Gillard publicly predicted Australia will separate

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<v Speaker 1>from the Royals once the Queen passes. Do you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of think that she is right?

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting. I mean, we obviously shot the show before

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<v Speaker 2>the Queen passed away, and she has passed away, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there was conversations we all had with each

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<v Speaker 2>other about what does this change the way people feel

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<v Speaker 2>about the British Empire? Does it change the way it

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<v Speaker 2>feels about Australia as a constitution, monarchy or republic? And

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<v Speaker 2>I think what's fascinating is the Australian public is smart

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<v Speaker 2>enough to separate its general love and respect for Queen

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth I, who was obviously quite well liked and respected,

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<v Speaker 2>and then kind of separate that from like the Empire

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<v Speaker 2>and the Commonwealth and where do we sit within that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think now that she's past, I think we

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<v Speaker 2>are having a moment where we are starting to have

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation about Okay, well, this is a this is

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<v Speaker 2>an inflection point in our relationship with Britain. Right, This

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<v Speaker 2>allows us a moment to look around at each other

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<v Speaker 2>and go, do we belong in this personally? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I would like for us to have a big national

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<v Speaker 2>conversation about it. Now that sounds like I'm avoiding the question.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that, But I think the issue with this

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<v Speaker 2>is and I get that, I do, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's important that when we have when we talk about

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<v Speaker 2>us as a nation, we take a step back and go, well, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>One part of that component is our relationship with the

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<v Speaker 2>British Empire. Another component of that is our relationship with

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<v Speaker 2>the original owners of this land who never seeded, who

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just had the British come in and take

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<v Speaker 2>it right. And I think those two conversations need to

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<v Speaker 2>happen in concert, right, And they are happening in concert

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<v Speaker 2>because we're having a beginning of a national debate about

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<v Speaker 2>a voice to Parliament and it's kind of part of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you can separate the two, right, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Because how we as a nation, those of us who

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<v Speaker 2>are non indigenous, relate to the people that own this

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<v Speaker 2>land and had it taken from them, and then how

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<v Speaker 2>we relate to this tiny island up in the north

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<v Speaker 2>that you know masterminded this kind of overtaking. Those two

0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:34.120
<v Speaker 2>things are related, and I think there's been a debate

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment about well, we can't talk about a

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<v Speaker 2>republic until we've dealt with a voice department. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I actually think we should be talking about these things

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time. Like I think we should be

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the same time, and I think we should

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<v Speaker 2>be folding them into the same conversation. So I know

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<v Speaker 2>that's not a direct answer. I mean my personal feeling

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<v Speaker 2>on it is I don't understand why in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two we have a ahead of state in another country.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand it, but I would like it as

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<v Speaker 2>to have a more holistic conversation about our relationship with

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<v Speaker 2>the original owners of this land and the people that

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<v Speaker 2>colonized it, because I think they are related conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>I think another question then to ask you, because you

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<v Speaker 1>skirted around that a bit, but are you a royalist?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean except for the two weeks of the year

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<v Speaker 2>when the Crown drops on Netflix? No, not really. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you know and I don't you know. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I get what you're asking, and it's like I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have any ill feeling towards the British Royal family. I don't,

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't, because the whole point of this series

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<v Speaker 2>is to go, right, the way history is told is

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<v Speaker 2>told around them. Right. The crown exists, right, and it exists,

0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:47.040
<v Speaker 2>and it's popular because all this attention and all of

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<v Speaker 2>these documentaries have been made about the British Royal family

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<v Speaker 2>and all those attentions on them. The reason this show

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<v Speaker 2>exist is to go, hold on, what about the people

0:15:55.960 --> 0:16:00.480
<v Speaker 2>that the British Royal family exploits it over centuries? Right,

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<v Speaker 2>That's the point. The point of the show is to

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<v Speaker 2>go you know, put it this way. When we do stories,

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<v Speaker 2>when we do documentaries about the British Empire, usually they

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<v Speaker 2>are these very genteel documentaries that have a superannuated British

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<v Speaker 2>star trapesing around the world going look at this, this

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<v Speaker 2>is where that empire was and there is something important

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<v Speaker 2>and it hits slightly different when you tell the story

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<v Speaker 2>of the empire not from the point of view of

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<v Speaker 2>the colonizers, but from the point of view of the colonized. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And so while I personally don't have any negative feelings

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<v Speaker 2>about the individuals at the heart of the royal family.

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<v Speaker 2>I genuinely don't. What I am interested in is going

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<v Speaker 2>all right, They've got their story, They've got mountains of

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<v Speaker 2>column inass dedicated to them. Totally fine with it. I

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<v Speaker 2>will be watching The Crown when it launches the new

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<v Speaker 2>season this year, of course I will. But there's a

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<v Speaker 2>part of that story, that big picture that's missing, and

0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:57.360
<v Speaker 2>that's everyone else. That's you and it's me, it's our story.

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<v Speaker 2>In relation to that, I think as you watch the

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<v Speaker 2>series progress, it's like it becomes a lot more about

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<v Speaker 2>So the British did that, But what does it mean

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<v Speaker 2>for the people that were left out of the first

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<v Speaker 2>draft of history? And that's what I'm interested in. The

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<v Speaker 2>people that don't get the Netflix series right, they're the

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<v Speaker 2>ones I'm like, Okay, so this big institution here with

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<v Speaker 2>the chiny Jewels, what's the impact they had on your

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<v Speaker 2>life because you got left out of the first draft.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what's more interesting to me. Does that explain the relationship?

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<v Speaker 2>Does that get Look?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's great, you know, I think there's a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of things I'd like to say. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>say I don't know if The Crown would be as

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<v Speaker 1>successful just because it is about the Royals and the

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<v Speaker 1>subject matter. I think it's a very well made show.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the acting, I think everything about that show

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<v Speaker 1>is right time, right place, you know, and absolutely the

0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:45.360
<v Speaker 1>subject matter is fascinating to people. But I also think

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<v Speaker 1>it gets really quite confusing because we've got a lot

0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.720
<v Speaker 1>of people in Australia who love the Royals, but they

0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:51.879
<v Speaker 1>love the Royals in the sense that I love the Royals,

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<v Speaker 1>as in talking about the fascination of what the Royal

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<v Speaker 1>family do. I'm still invested in the sense of I

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<v Speaker 1>thought King Charles should have passed down the title to William.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what do you think of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he can. I don't like whether he

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<v Speaker 2>should or not as a sort of a separate issue,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think like legally, he's been raised his whole

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<v Speaker 2>life with this preparation for this duty, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think either personally or or like constitutionally, he can, Like

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<v Speaker 2>he could always abdicate. Yes, okay, fair enough, I'll pay that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't think the reasons for the last abdication

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<v Speaker 2>were really the circumstances are quite different, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think that I think he's been raised his whole life

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<v Speaker 2>to do a job, and I think he's now going, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Do a job.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't think it's I don't obviously I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know him, so I'm guessing as much as anybody, But

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<v Speaker 2>I would guess that the sense of duty has been

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<v Speaker 2>imbuded upon him, imbued within him since they got literally

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<v Speaker 2>and I think he's taking it for I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>doing the job that he thinks he was meant to do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's look, it's complicated. I mean, yes, you could argue

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<v Speaker 2>that the British monarchy might be in better shape if

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<v Speaker 2>they did wholly pass it on to a younger, shininger face.

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<v Speaker 2>You could totally.

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<v Speaker 1>Argue that it'd be more appealing, right, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally I mean people. Yeah, But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like William and K. I mean, even if

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<v Speaker 2>you just look at the Buckingham Royal Instagram account, like

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<v Speaker 2>they're going overdrive to kind of like to give person

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<v Speaker 2>to give personality to Charles and Camilla and to fore

0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:37.560
<v Speaker 2>ground William and K. Like there's like they're presenting you

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<v Speaker 2>follow any of those accounts, and because I happen to

0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:42.359
<v Speaker 2>make your show called stuff, the British dole. The algorithm

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<v Speaker 2>has decided to serve me a lot of bridge information,

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<v Speaker 2>uh and content.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you've just been sitting there watching the Royals accounts,

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<v Speaker 1>just like I want to see Camilla with a room

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<v Speaker 1>full of Paddington Bears.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the content that came here for no look,

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<v Speaker 2>I think because of that, I think they are now

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<v Speaker 2>at they now present as a team, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>think you will definitely see lots of visibility for William

0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:10.240
<v Speaker 2>and Kate, would be my guess, because even though they're

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<v Speaker 2>not obviously William is not king and won't be for

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<v Speaker 2>some time, he can be. He's still a prince and

0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:18.840
<v Speaker 2>he can still be and can still be part of

0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:21.560
<v Speaker 2>the public face of this institution that has a really

0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:26.080
<v Speaker 2>complicated relationship with the present, right, Like the idea of

0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:31.480
<v Speaker 2>a hereditary, like just a family inheriting wealth and power.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it is a concept that doesn't like in

0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:37.439
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two or twenty twenty three, when you really

0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:41.160
<v Speaker 2>think about it, it's strange, like when you really think

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<v Speaker 2>about it. But you know, I watch the You know

0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:45.520
<v Speaker 2>my kids. I've got an eight year old and six

0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:48.520
<v Speaker 2>year old, and they've watched every thing I do, and

0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:50.120
<v Speaker 2>they come up here in this office and they watch

0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:51.800
<v Speaker 2>rough cuts of stuff. But then when the Queen died

0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:55.119
<v Speaker 2>together we watched the funeral and I realized, you know,

0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:58.480
<v Speaker 2>watching them, two things happened. One which is my daughter

0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:00.800
<v Speaker 2>in particular, would point out every jewel and she'd go,

0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:02.800
<v Speaker 2>where's that from? Where's that from. I'm like, well, that

0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:04.600
<v Speaker 2>one's from Africa, that's from Da Da Da Da. The

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<v Speaker 2>other thing that happened is I realized that I think

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<v Speaker 2>part of our fascination with the royals, is it, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia, is it's this tenuous connection to something that

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<v Speaker 2>is the stuff of fairy tales, right kings and queen's

0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:23.520
<v Speaker 2>and it's it's this we have this tiny thread that

0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:26.040
<v Speaker 2>links us to this stuff that sounds like fairy tales.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think some of that's quite intoxicating. I think,

0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:31.960
<v Speaker 2>I think, I think that's an intoxicating thing. Like a

0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:35.760
<v Speaker 2>couple of years ago, I met the Queen's least problematic child,

0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.640
<v Speaker 2>Prince Edward, and I was at an event and you know,

0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:42.600
<v Speaker 2>I got excerted. I was meeting a royal like anybody

0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:45.159
<v Speaker 2>would do, even one that I didn't quite know existed

0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:48.520
<v Speaker 2>until I was invited and I'll be honest with you.

0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:50.479
<v Speaker 2>But they send you a thing and it's like and

0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:53.560
<v Speaker 2>he seems lovely, and they send you a thing of

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<v Speaker 2>like all the royal protocol. I was like, what you

0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:57.359
<v Speaker 2>should call him? And you sa. Then you read it

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, wow, it's it's like I feel like I'm

0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:01.359
<v Speaker 2>feel like I've stepped into the water of the rings

0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:04.320
<v Speaker 2>and I will say that I messed it up. He

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<v Speaker 2>walked towards me at this advance and I cid you not,

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<v Speaker 2>I felt my back leg. I'm gonna stand up. You're

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<v Speaker 2>saying I felt my back leg.

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<v Speaker 1>Just go oh no, you did not, You didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't bow and I felt instinctively, I mean maybe

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<v Speaker 2>so I instinctively curtsyed and he just did. It must

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<v Speaker 2>happen to him all the time. He's like, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm interesting. And you know how you have these outer

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<v Speaker 2>body experiences and you look at yourself going what are

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<v Speaker 2>you doing? I just loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>At that point I imagined you saying I'm Indian Irish

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<v Speaker 1>from Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for reading all my people. I know he

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<v Speaker 2>was looking lovely. I'll see myself out bye now, good bye. No, Look,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I understand the point of that whole yarn

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<v Speaker 2>is I understand why we're fascinated by the Royals. I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I do, and I'm and I'm as interested as anything.

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<v Speaker 2>The point for me is to go that exists, it's

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<v Speaker 2>worthwhile discussing why we're fascinating with it, but then just

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes go okay, well, that story is being told. It's

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<v Speaker 2>being told day and in and out in every tabloid

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, on Netflix and things like that. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's another side to that coin. And that's why I

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<v Speaker 2>do what I do, which is not to not to

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<v Speaker 2>say that the attention on the Royals is not good.

0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:29.359
<v Speaker 2>I think I think it's fine just to go, okay, well,

0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:31.600
<v Speaker 2>there's another side to this. And you kind of saw

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<v Speaker 2>that debate happen when the Queen died, right, it was,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was I was surprised at how fast it happened.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there was wall to wall coverage on to

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<v Speaker 2>be fair, on the ABC most a lot of the time.

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<v Speaker 2>You could it. It was everywhere, no, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>wall to wall. And I think maybe it's possible that

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<v Speaker 2>we the media writ large overestimated in some cases our

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<v Speaker 2>level of reverence because you could kind of see that

0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:09.359
<v Speaker 2>there was very quickly a debate that formed about hold on,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, very quickly we're like, okay, are we too

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<v Speaker 2>obsessed with this? Is now the time for republic? Is

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<v Speaker 2>now not the time for republic? I was interested to

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<v Speaker 2>see that debate happened quite fast, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't actually purposely didn't say anything on Twitter or

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<v Speaker 2>anything like that. I was like, I'm just gonna watch.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna watch and see how people respond to this,

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<v Speaker 2>because it'll tell you where we're at as a nation.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like if you just mentioned the British at

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<v Speaker 1>all in Australia, and it has been like this for

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<v Speaker 1>a while immediately, whether you're at a barbecue, whether you've

0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 1>run out of things to say to your friend on

0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:43.520
<v Speaker 1>the phone or whatever. You know, we have leaned into

0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:46.600
<v Speaker 1>talking about this now for an extremely long time. And

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that if we did do like a plebiscite

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<v Speaker 1>like we did with same sex marriage, I do think

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<v Speaker 1>that Australia would separate themselves. And I think that that's fine.

0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:57.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I genuinely have believed for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been more interested in the politics and the gossip

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<v Speaker 1>of the royals then what we should have been doing,

0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:08.359
<v Speaker 1>and respecting who we are and where we came from.

0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Actually respecting is a really shit word because we invaded Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Complicated, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm interested in history. I think that's where I'm coming from. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying anything that's happened in the past has

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<v Speaker 1>been good or bad. I'm not throwing my hat on that,

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:25.960
<v Speaker 1>but I am saying that I'm interested in the history,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that we all should have some respect

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<v Speaker 1>of the history.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so. And look, I think it's hard to

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<v Speaker 2>choose words around this stuff, right, Just leart me do that, yes,

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:40.080
<v Speaker 2>because and trust me, I make a show called Stuff

0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 2>the British Style, and there are I would say, it's

0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:45.880
<v Speaker 2>not a case of either all good or bad. It's

0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:49.720
<v Speaker 2>a case of good and bad. There are profoundly horrific

0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:52.600
<v Speaker 2>things that happened in the name of the British Empire,

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<v Speaker 2>and then there's some things that you know, we're all

0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:58.400
<v Speaker 2>the great beneficiaries of. And those things don't cancel each

0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:02.240
<v Speaker 2>other out, they don't balance each other out, they simply coexist.

0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:05.560
<v Speaker 2>And I think partly why I make the show is

0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:09.919
<v Speaker 2>because I think we're smart enough as a people to

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<v Speaker 2>take in both to go, Okay, good things happened, horrific

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:15.760
<v Speaker 2>things happened, and we can be honest about it. And

0:26:15.800 --> 0:26:17.480
<v Speaker 2>that is, at the end of the day, what it's about.

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:21.480
<v Speaker 2>Let's just be honest about our past, like just let's

0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:23.080
<v Speaker 2>just be honest about the good and the bad. And

0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:25.280
<v Speaker 2>I think we're grown up enough as a people to

0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:27.680
<v Speaker 2>do that. And I guess that's my I guess I'll

0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:29.520
<v Speaker 2>wait and see, you know, how, to see how people

0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:30.240
<v Speaker 2>respond to the show.

0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:32.200
<v Speaker 1>I think it's going to happen. I think you cannot

0:26:32.200 --> 0:26:35.120
<v Speaker 1>avoid this conversation. I think in the first episode in

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:38.600
<v Speaker 1>regard to the jewel that was commandeered or stolen by

0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:41.199
<v Speaker 1>the English, and I want people to watch that episode.

0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:43.000
<v Speaker 1>If they haven't, they can catch up on that on iView.

0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:45.280
<v Speaker 1>But I think it's inherent that people are going to

0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:47.440
<v Speaker 1>ask these sorts of questions. I mean, I just kept

0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:49.480
<v Speaker 1>looking at these jewels and I'm like, if they still

0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:52.760
<v Speaker 1>are around, is Camilla going to be wearing these jewels?

0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:52.919
<v Speaker 2>Like?

0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:55.240
<v Speaker 1>Is Camilla going to be wearing qu.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's it's interesting because we nearly they they

0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:03.959
<v Speaker 2>wanted to put that in the press release. Will Camilla

0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:06.359
<v Speaker 2>were the grount? And I remember looking at it going, uh,

0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:10.200
<v Speaker 2>that his story is going to change fourteen times between

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:12.959
<v Speaker 2>now and May next year, because it's like she may, like,

0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:16.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's the consort ground, like she she could,

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 2>but then does she run risking the eye of like

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:22.639
<v Speaker 2>a billion people in India and Pakistan and Afghanistan, Like

0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:24.480
<v Speaker 2>is that the thing that she's willing to risk? I

0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:26.800
<v Speaker 2>don't know, We'll have to wait and see. And similarly

0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:31.639
<v Speaker 2>with the second episode with the stone that's that Charles

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:33.760
<v Speaker 2>is you know his mum was crowned on this stone?

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 2>Will that that was taken from Scotland? Will he sit

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:38.600
<v Speaker 2>on it just like his mom did? Wait and see?

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:41.600
<v Speaker 1>Can you tell me your favorite episode? I've only watched

0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:43.920
<v Speaker 1>two episodes and I'm really enjoying it. But I want

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:45.640
<v Speaker 1>to know you're I mean, obviously you've watched.

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:50.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, we've just we're just delivering because the show's

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:53.160
<v Speaker 2>all done. It's just see animations. The last thing gone straight.

0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Look, the Scottish episode is really fun and it's a

0:27:56.880 --> 0:27:59.960
<v Speaker 2>wild heist. The third episode is about something that live

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:05.720
<v Speaker 2>in Australia that probably shouldn't be here, and it connects

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 2>us to a whole bunch of different nations. A favorite.

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:12.080
<v Speaker 2>It's really hard because I think every episode is every

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:14.680
<v Speaker 2>episode is really different. Like that's the other thing. Every

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:16.720
<v Speaker 2>episode is like different part of the world. It's like,

0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:21.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, Dora the Explorers and another continent. I think

0:28:21.920 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 2>for me, I'm going to say the third episode because it's.

0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Just got me as soon as you said that to me,

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I guess that's the narcissist in me.

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:36.240
<v Speaker 1>Or I'm like something in Australia, something that's mine, something

0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:38.080
<v Speaker 1>that I've stolen, you know, I think that there's some

0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 1>interest in that.

0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:43.240
<v Speaker 2>I think the third episode is the twistiest tail and

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 2>it's a little it's a full on scavenger hunt around

0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:48.800
<v Speaker 2>the country and around the world, and I think that

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 2>was like that was like and also it's an object

0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:56.000
<v Speaker 2>that the institution that has it were really not helpful.

0:28:56.760 --> 0:29:00.640
<v Speaker 2>They really didn't want the story told. So there's that

0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:02.320
<v Speaker 2>which I guess which people will see.

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 1>When I watched the episode, everyone who joins the podcast

0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 1>gets asked this question, what's something from behind the scenes,

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 1>something that we didn't see, that we won't see kind

0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 1>of like a behind the scenes secret of the making

0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:14.440
<v Speaker 1>of this series.

0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:20.480
<v Speaker 2>So we flew from I did a bunch of filming

0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:22.920
<v Speaker 2>in Australia, then I flew to Israel and then from

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:26.000
<v Speaker 2>there I flew to London. They left my bags on

0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:30.640
<v Speaker 2>the tarmac in Israel, and so I arrived in London

0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:38.520
<v Speaker 2>with no clothes and so I had to but I

0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 2>had to film at the Tower of London at six

0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 2>o'clock the next morning. I arrived on a plane at

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 2>three in the afternoon on a Sunday. So I ran

0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 2>to an uber to basically go to Westfield. Westfield watched

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 2>in London and I was like, I need a long coat,

0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 2>and then it's a really bad time to wear long cakes.

0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:01.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I know, I need to wear one for

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 2>this thing. And so I basically ran all around London

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:10.960
<v Speaker 2>trying to find basically accruing clothes so I could shoot

0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 2>at the Tower of London in the morning. But stuff

0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:16.080
<v Speaker 2>like that happens all the time, and a show like this,

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 2>you're constant, like six countries I think we went to

0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:22.240
<v Speaker 2>in the end, it's like all over like the world,

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:26.480
<v Speaker 2>like so many things top and change, and I think

0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:29.680
<v Speaker 2>you have to go to make a show like this,

0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:32.240
<v Speaker 2>and I say this now with like the benefit of mindsight.

0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:33.520
<v Speaker 2>I think at the time I was quite stretched out

0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:35.920
<v Speaker 2>of my mind. But you have to just roll with

0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:38.520
<v Speaker 2>it a little bit, like it's an adventure. It's an

0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 2>adventure to watch, it's an adventure to make, and you

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 2>have to roll with it. And there's so many times

0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:46.000
<v Speaker 2>where like little things, you know, you get a text

0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 2>from the day before going so and so who was

0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 2>going to be in the Show's like no, we can't

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 2>do it. Now, I'm like, God, quickly, let's find somebody

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:54.720
<v Speaker 2>else like it. It's you know, it's it's wild, you know,

0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:57.600
<v Speaker 2>making a show like this is it's it's hard. It's

0:30:57.600 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 2>not I've made television for twenty years. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>shop made a by file MHM