WEBVTT - When Is The Appropriate Time To Unfollow Someone? ✌️

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<v Speaker 1>Flex and Frooms Flex and Fromes.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Flex and Frooms catch up podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Friday Friday. I gotta get down fay.

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<v Speaker 2>Google search ugly ballet flat.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, so I my mate just asked me. What

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<v Speaker 1>did she say? She said, alright, I'm going to buy

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<v Speaker 1>some ballet flats simply watch out. I said, Wow, the

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<v Speaker 1>ones with the groppy cells. So I had these ballet

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<v Speaker 1>flights in twenty thirteen. When I wear them to my

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<v Speaker 1>castiles job, and they're this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, these an elasticated ones, elastigated, griepy bottoms, the ones

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<v Speaker 3>you're chucking your bag when you go to the races.

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<v Speaker 1>You just hear them creaking on the train line on

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<v Speaker 1>the way back from Flatterfying. Look, I'm going to buy

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<v Speaker 1>these ugly ass ballet flights because that's a real that's

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<v Speaker 1>a real thing that people aren't ready for. Look, they've

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<v Speaker 1>got like.

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<v Speaker 2>The so you've typed in ugly ballet flat.

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<v Speaker 1>And they've got the d or style ones.

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<v Speaker 2>They're sick.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, do you like them? They're really cute. But I

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<v Speaker 3>just need a little bit of a little bit of something.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you mean, I don't like the feeling in

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<v Speaker 3>my foot being fly to the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd rather be shoeless. If I'm gonna raw dog it,

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<v Speaker 2>let me row dog No.

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<v Speaker 1>But they've got the padding in it, so it's less.

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<v Speaker 1>They're actually pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well, just the showmarly ugly ones here Froo men

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<v Speaker 3>tho through me boommmy les Mom.

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<v Speaker 2>You're listening to flex and rooms on kater do.

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<v Speaker 3>Buy is literally so hot that they've opened the beaches

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<v Speaker 3>at night. Can you imagine lifeguards, children, families, hammocks, beach

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<v Speaker 3>towels at night?

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<v Speaker 2>How can you see the water spotlights?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow? I don't think I'm brave enough for that. As

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<v Speaker 3>we know, I am afraid of the dark. That doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>mean I don't spend a lot of time interacting in

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<v Speaker 3>the dark because I do believe for myself and exposure therapy.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just like will walk into dark rooms and

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<v Speaker 2>be like, oh, I'm scared, but we'll be scared.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really great of you. That's exposure to therapy, babe.

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<v Speaker 2>Truly, we're practicing.

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<v Speaker 3>But this got me thinking about is this the first

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<v Speaker 3>step to nocturnal societies? Not bear with me, Okay, Dubai

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<v Speaker 3>is not the only place that it's so hot for

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<v Speaker 3>people to function in the daytime, they've had to make

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<v Speaker 3>extreme adjustments. I stopped over in Kata like two years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was so hot outside that there were bus stops.

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<v Speaker 2>With air conditioning whoall like outside.

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<v Speaker 3>Outside, and you could also walk into them like old

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<v Speaker 3>school payphones CoA. Which kind of feels like it's exacerbating

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<v Speaker 3>the problem. But at this point, we recognize that we've

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<v Speaker 3>kind of reached the tipping point when it comes to

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<v Speaker 3>climate change and saving the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Not to be a fearmongerer, but.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought, Okay, it's gonna get to the point where

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<v Speaker 3>we have to make some real adjustments to our lifestyles

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<v Speaker 3>because we can't live with the things that have gone

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<v Speaker 3>poorly right, Like, we can't just live in the heat.

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually impossible. So we'll become a nocturnal society. What

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<v Speaker 3>would be the hardest part about that? I know, I

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<v Speaker 3>started doing some research. Yes, because I love vamporism. You

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<v Speaker 3>do think, is this the first step towards vamporism us

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<v Speaker 3>just living at night? That feels close enough. But I

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<v Speaker 3>was thinking, Okay, Cicadian rhythms, people, we really do rely

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<v Speaker 3>on a Cicadian rhythm, natural sunlights, let our body know

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<v Speaker 3>when it's time to be up, when it's time to

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<v Speaker 3>be not up. But we can make simulated sunshine. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sure the astronauts do it when they go to Mars

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<v Speaker 3>all the time. You got the vitamin D tablets, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we've got that. That'll be easy. I think going to

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<v Speaker 3>work and going to school would be chill. I just

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<v Speaker 3>think if we can't function in the day, then we

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<v Speaker 3>have less time for the night.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're advocating for a nighttime society because.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the heat, Well, I think it would just be

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<v Speaker 2>the first step.

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't thought of those little stop gap while the

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<v Speaker 1>everything gets sorted out.

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<v Speaker 2>Truly, I just feel as though it's gonna get hard

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<v Speaker 2>for us to just live in the day. But things

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<v Speaker 2>thing to change. What happens to farming, You.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotta farming doors, hydroponic hothouse, nice little bit, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>government take it a bit back, doing a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of weed growing. Take it back.

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<v Speaker 3>If people weren't adjusting, they honestly would just get picked

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<v Speaker 3>off one by one. I think our bodies would soon

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<v Speaker 3>evolve because I imagine there'll be people with certain types

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<v Speaker 3>of body chemistry DNA that could adjust really well to

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<v Speaker 3>nighttime living night hours being one.

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<v Speaker 1>Of them people like us.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, So imagine after one hundred years of living at

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<v Speaker 3>night the people who have evolved and had children are

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<v Speaker 3>those who had the DNA or the chemistry that could adjust. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>what was the next generation exactly? What would the next

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<v Speaker 3>generation have that we currently don't have night vision?

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<v Speaker 1>Night vision?

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<v Speaker 2>How many generations until we have night vision?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean yeah, because cats and stuff do.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really excited everyone. You keep it front of mind.

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<v Speaker 3>I will write a book about it one day, hopefully

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<v Speaker 3>in the next three years.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, FLEXI. What's the etiquette around following or

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<v Speaker 1>unfollowing somebody? I'll give you a little hypothetical story.

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<v Speaker 2>Please.

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<v Speaker 1>You're at a social event and you meet someone, get

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<v Speaker 1>along with them pretty well straight off the bat. Midway

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<v Speaker 1>through the night, they start pissing you. They start doing

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<v Speaker 1>things that you find annoying, and you decided, actually don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be socially moored socially tired to this individual. However,

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<v Speaker 1>you have already followed them. How soon after the party

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<v Speaker 1>or the social gathering can you unfollow them without them

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<v Speaker 1>being offended?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's just that's two separate questions.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, how long after can you unfollow them immediately without

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<v Speaker 3>them being offended.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not up to you.

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<v Speaker 3>If you really cared about offending them or not offending them,

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<v Speaker 3>then you wouldn't be unfollowing them. It's always gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>perceived as offensive, even if you're not big on social

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<v Speaker 3>or does it matter to you, or it was an accident.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember one time I used I was trying to clear

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<v Speaker 3>up my followers list because I didn't like my algorithm.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh whilst I was back.

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<v Speaker 3>In like twenty nineteen, when we're like, oh, the algorithm's

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<v Speaker 3>not chronological and I wasn't just I wasn't seeing my

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<v Speaker 3>friends and I wasn't seeing people that I interacted with.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's like, let me just get one of those apps.

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<v Speaker 3>And I have friends, I have friends who use unfollowing apps,

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<v Speaker 3>a track who follows them. I just wanted to clear

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<v Speaker 3>out people that I wasn't engaging with, right, So I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, let me clear out because when I would

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<v Speaker 3>see content I didn't like, I wouldn't do anything about it,

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<v Speaker 3>So like, let me just clear out people I haven't

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<v Speaker 3>engaged with. But the option was like people you haven't

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<v Speaker 3>engaged with and haven't engaged with you in the last

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, six months or something.

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<v Speaker 2>So it unfollows a lot of people on my behalf.

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<v Speaker 3>Why the next morning my best friends are getting messages

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<v Speaker 3>from other friends being like, Hey, what's what's flex's problem

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<v Speaker 3>with me?

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<v Speaker 2>She's unfollowed me because of what.

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<v Speaker 3>So the point is you can do it immediately after,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think you should make a point I would say,

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<v Speaker 3>better Yet, we've got to be better at trying to

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<v Speaker 3>address poor behavior without being or feeling confrontational.

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<v Speaker 2>True, that's a beautiful skill, and it's really difficult to do.

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<v Speaker 1>It is hard to do.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not always necessary. But I feel like sometimes you

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<v Speaker 3>just fend for yourself and like do the unfollow and

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<v Speaker 3>then never open their messages.

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<v Speaker 2>Again.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's a really great approach. And then on

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<v Speaker 3>the other hand, it's a really beautiful skill to be like, ooh,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't love that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't love that, but is that my problem?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, just so they know, so you can you can

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<v Speaker 3>have context for your future behavior when they realize that

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<v Speaker 3>you aren't interested in maintaining a friendship, they can circle

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<v Speaker 3>back to, oh, there was that pivotal moment where I

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<v Speaker 3>said something and for me didn't respond.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that was probably it.

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<v Speaker 1>Beautifully done flex per as per.

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<v Speaker 2>This is flex and Rooms.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Kaita. Kim Kardashian Kimberly Noel Kardashian for those playing

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<v Speaker 1>along at home, is an actress, an actress. She recently

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<v Speaker 1>was on American Horror Story.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see that coming? Really? What do you mean?

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<v Speaker 1>American Horror Stories is like whether people that aren't actors

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<v Speaker 1>go to start acting in good ways? Like Lady Yaga

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<v Speaker 1>won an Oscar for American Horror Story from her playing

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<v Speaker 1>a witch in it. I'm pretty sure whoa an Oscar

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<v Speaker 1>or a golden globe. Anyway, she won some prestigious award.

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<v Speaker 1>Kim Kardashian is an American Horror Story. I haven't watched

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<v Speaker 1>it yet, but I read an article that said, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, she was actually good, and I thought that's

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<v Speaker 1>a bit shady. Do you think Kim Kardashian is underestimated? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>You think she always been?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And why do you reckon that?

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<v Speaker 2>Is? People hate women?

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's just for all the reasons that exists now, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think people can fathom that one person.

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<v Speaker 2>Can be excellent.

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<v Speaker 3>I think excellence is really hard people to stomach, even

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<v Speaker 3>when it doesn't come in a package that you want

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<v Speaker 3>to see it in, Like, we really make a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of room for sports excellence, for like academic excellence.

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<v Speaker 1>And what about Instagram excellence? Huh, I'll give you that one.

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<v Speaker 1>I really want to watch it. Do you watch American

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<v Speaker 1>Horror Story?

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't watched it since the first season. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just really not good at keeping up with watching

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<v Speaker 3>full series and paying attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I've never watched the ones that have the

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<v Speaker 1>full series. I watch the standalone episodes and they send

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<v Speaker 1>me into what some would refer to as a depression.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you refer to it as a depress? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>But really like American Horror Story is like so entertaining

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<v Speaker 1>but also makes me really sad and scared. So weird combo. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Kim Kardashian, do you think that she thought she would

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<v Speaker 1>become an actor?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, because I always see one of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite videos of her. Well, that's a lie. It's not a.

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<v Speaker 2>Favorite, but a video that I know is a video

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<v Speaker 2>you saw one time.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen the timetime in but it always piques my interest.

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<v Speaker 1>Is when she's like thirteen and she's at a party.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know the one she's a little bob and

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, my name's Kimbrilliant, I'm going to be famous

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<v Speaker 1>and down dada and then she starts dancing.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's like her birthday party and she's like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to be famous and da dada, and then she

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<v Speaker 1>went and did it. Like I know, we've spoken about

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<v Speaker 1>the Kardashians previously, and you're like, especially about North and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of being like her being online and stuff is

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<v Speaker 1>like another marketing tool. Do you think that, like from

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning, there's been this master plan or do you

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<v Speaker 1>think the Kardashian's is just good at like taking opportunities.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure the master plan started somewhere, if not with Chris,

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<v Speaker 3>before Chris, with Robert, where how to be business minded,

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<v Speaker 3>how to capitalize.

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<v Speaker 2>How to be opportunistic.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure that was like in the fabric of that

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<v Speaker 3>family structure, But I don't think they would have imagined

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<v Speaker 3>it'd be possible without seeing Kim's like meteoric rise from

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<v Speaker 3>being an assistant or like a professional friend to building

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<v Speaker 3>an empire and bring her whole family up along with it.

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<v Speaker 2>With a replicable strategy. Babes.

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<v Speaker 1>You must admit it's pretty amazing. I'm very excited to

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<v Speaker 1>watch American horror stories with her in it. The review

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<v Speaker 1>said that like some of her lines are a bit wooden,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because she's not like a trained actor, but

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of adds to it because her character is

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<v Speaker 1>like a publicity, like a pr maven I'm pretty sure,

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<v Speaker 1>which I thought was also an interesting casting. I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>If you've been paying attention to anything I've said over

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<v Speaker 3>the last six weeks to six months, you would know

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<v Speaker 3>that I'm campaigning for a matriarchal society. Some said it

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<v Speaker 3>was impossible that would be so fast, rooms that it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't possible. So those who don't really understand a matriarchy, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>we should start with what a patriarchy is. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>system of society or government in which men hold the

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<v Speaker 3>power and women are largely excluded from it. Now, people say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>what is a matriarchy the opposite for starters. Sure, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't mind that, but I think that it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a slave triarchy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a slavetriarchy. It is a fallacy to say a

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<v Speaker 3>matriarchy is just patriarchy with women at the head. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just it's not It wouldn't be because we would do

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<v Speaker 3>things differently. For example, the eight hour work day is

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<v Speaker 3>heavily based on the way that a man hormones work right,

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<v Speaker 3>And so if we were making a matriarchy that was

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<v Speaker 3>considerate that women have a twenty eight to thirty day

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<v Speaker 3>home modal cycle, what would work look like?

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<v Speaker 1>Then I wouldn't be here.

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<v Speaker 2>What would work will look like? What would communities look like?

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<v Speaker 3>From the research I've done, and there's not a lot

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<v Speaker 3>on matriarchies because I guess it takes a lot to

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<v Speaker 3>think creatively about something that doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so extreme.

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<v Speaker 3>If we can't think about anything about capitalism, how do

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<v Speaker 3>you think we feel about patriarchy? But one thing that

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<v Speaker 3>comes to be is that in a matriarchy we operate

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<v Speaker 3>on a needs base first, So the way that we

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<v Speaker 3>manage what is important and what is not important is

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<v Speaker 3>what do people need?

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<v Speaker 2>They need shelter, they need food, they need a good.

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<v Speaker 3>Quality of life, how they need hugs, they need exercise,

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<v Speaker 3>they need therapy, they need community, And those would.

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<v Speaker 2>Be the priorities.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the FBI agent in my device said I've

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<v Speaker 3>got something for you. I started watching this TV show

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<v Speaker 3>called The Power and the thing with Me and TV.

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<v Speaker 3>It's background noise power. I put it on when I'm

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<v Speaker 3>doing other stuff, and rarely at that. Who would get

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<v Speaker 3>such a I have a beautiful TV babe, a beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>Samsung frame, beautiful gold gilded frame. I rarely use it,

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<v Speaker 3>why because TikTok exists. But as I've been thinking what

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<v Speaker 3>would society look like with women at the head? I

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<v Speaker 3>come across this show The Power. It starts Tony Collette,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's in this fictional reality, suddenly women develop a

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<v Speaker 3>mysterious new ability to electrocute at will. Leads is like

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<v Speaker 3>this extraordinary global reversal of the power balance, and so

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<v Speaker 3>from teenagers, I think thirteen year olds to sixty year

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<v Speaker 3>olds all have this power. It's sort of talking about

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<v Speaker 3>a world where literal teenage girls have had to develop

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<v Speaker 3>another organ which conducts electricity as a biological and evolutionary

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<v Speaker 3>response to the inherent danger women experience. Like our bodies

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<v Speaker 3>are literally going to evolve to protect us.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, why has it not happened already.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's not give anyone any ideas, but the point is

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<v Speaker 3>in this show, it's like you look at the way

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<v Speaker 3>people interact with women now, and they're scared in the show.

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<v Speaker 3>In the show, they're scared and they're fearful and they're suspicious,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, men are suddenly being like, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to go to women's only venues. That's really scary

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<v Speaker 3>to I don't want to go to schools where women

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<v Speaker 3>are the predominant gender. I don't want to be in

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<v Speaker 3>space where there's heaps of women. That's that's inherently dangerous

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<v Speaker 3>to me. I feel unsafe, I said, Oh, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Love something so crazy to imagine literally, like I'm giggling literally,

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<v Speaker 1>but keep saying.

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<v Speaker 3>When I've had conversations with friends about this matriarchy concept,

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<v Speaker 3>I say, before you even get to power structure and politics,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm surprised now why people aren't fearful of women. The

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<v Speaker 3>women I know are so powerful, even if they don't

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<v Speaker 3>feel it, the lengths that they go through to shield

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<v Speaker 3>the world from the vengeance that they have, the wrath

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<v Speaker 3>that they have.

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<v Speaker 2>People are not ready the women. We are ready.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk to me tsunami like explosion.

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<v Speaker 2>My legs are swinging. And of course everyone can come,

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<v Speaker 2>not all men, babe. I've got a few favorites of

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<v Speaker 2>mine that will come along. Fear not, but just know

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<v Speaker 2>the tides are changing, he said.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fine, it's fun.

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