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Speaker 2: This is the Flex and Frooms catch up podcast.
Speaker 1: It's Friday Friday. I gotta get down fay.
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Speaker 2: You're listening to flex and rooms on kater do.
Speaker 3: Buy is literally so hot that they've opened the beaches
Speaker 3: at night. Can you imagine lifeguards, children, families, hammocks, beach
Speaker 3: towels at night?
Speaker 2: How can you see the water spotlights?
Speaker 3: Wow? I don't think I'm brave enough for that. As
Speaker 3: we know, I am afraid of the dark. That doesn't
Speaker 3: mean I don't spend a lot of time interacting in
Speaker 3: the dark because I do believe for myself and exposure therapy.
Speaker 2: So I just like will walk into dark rooms and
Speaker 2: be like, oh, I'm scared, but we'll be scared.
Speaker 1: That's really great of you. That's exposure to therapy, babe.
Speaker 2: Truly, we're practicing.
Speaker 3: But this got me thinking about is this the first
Speaker 3: step to nocturnal societies? Not bear with me, Okay, Dubai
Speaker 3: is not the only place that it's so hot for
Speaker 3: people to function in the daytime, they've had to make
Speaker 3: extreme adjustments. I stopped over in Kata like two years ago,
Speaker 3: and it was so hot outside that there were bus stops.
Speaker 2: With air conditioning whoall like outside.
Speaker 3: Outside, and you could also walk into them like old
Speaker 3: school payphones CoA. Which kind of feels like it's exacerbating
Speaker 3: the problem. But at this point, we recognize that we've
Speaker 3: kind of reached the tipping point when it comes to
Speaker 3: climate change and saving the world.
Speaker 2: Not to be a fearmongerer, but.
Speaker 3: I thought, Okay, it's gonna get to the point where
Speaker 3: we have to make some real adjustments to our lifestyles
Speaker 3: because we can't live with the things that have gone
Speaker 3: poorly right, Like, we can't just live in the heat.
Speaker 3: It's actually impossible. So we'll become a nocturnal society. What
Speaker 3: would be the hardest part about that? I know, I
Speaker 3: started doing some research. Yes, because I love vamporism. You
Speaker 3: do think, is this the first step towards vamporism us
Speaker 3: just living at night? That feels close enough. But I
Speaker 3: was thinking, Okay, Cicadian rhythms, people, we really do rely
Speaker 3: on a Cicadian rhythm, natural sunlights, let our body know
Speaker 3: when it's time to be up, when it's time to
Speaker 3: be not up. But we can make simulated sunshine. I'm
Speaker 3: sure the astronauts do it when they go to Mars
Speaker 3: all the time. You got the vitamin D tablets, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we've got that. That'll be easy. I think going to
Speaker 3: work and going to school would be chill. I just
Speaker 3: think if we can't function in the day, then we
Speaker 3: have less time for the night.
Speaker 1: So you're advocating for a nighttime society because.
Speaker 2: Of the heat, Well, I think it would just be
Speaker 2: the first step.
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought of those little stop gap while the
Speaker 1: everything gets sorted out.
Speaker 2: Truly, I just feel as though it's gonna get hard
Speaker 2: for us to just live in the day. But things
Speaker 2: thing to change. What happens to farming, You.
Speaker 1: Gotta farming doors, hydroponic hothouse, nice little bit, you know,
Speaker 1: government take it a bit back, doing a little bit
Speaker 1: of weed growing. Take it back.
Speaker 3: If people weren't adjusting, they honestly would just get picked
Speaker 3: off one by one. I think our bodies would soon
Speaker 3: evolve because I imagine there'll be people with certain types
Speaker 3: of body chemistry DNA that could adjust really well to
Speaker 3: nighttime living night hours being one.
Speaker 1: Of them people like us.
Speaker 3: Yes, So imagine after one hundred years of living at
Speaker 3: night the people who have evolved and had children are
Speaker 3: those who had the DNA or the chemistry that could adjust. Well,
Speaker 3: what was the next generation exactly? What would the next
Speaker 3: generation have that we currently don't have night vision?
Speaker 1: Night vision?
Speaker 2: How many generations until we have night vision?
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, because cats and stuff do.
Speaker 3: I'm really excited everyone. You keep it front of mind.
Speaker 3: I will write a book about it one day, hopefully
Speaker 3: in the next three years.
Speaker 1: I don't know, FLEXI. What's the etiquette around following or
Speaker 1: unfollowing somebody? I'll give you a little hypothetical story.
Speaker 2: Please.
Speaker 1: You're at a social event and you meet someone, get
Speaker 1: along with them pretty well straight off the bat. Midway
Speaker 1: through the night, they start pissing you. They start doing
Speaker 1: things that you find annoying, and you decided, actually don't
Speaker 1: want to be socially moored socially tired to this individual. However,
Speaker 1: you have already followed them. How soon after the party
Speaker 1: or the social gathering can you unfollow them without them
Speaker 1: being offended?
Speaker 2: Well, it's just that's two separate questions.
Speaker 3: Oh, how long after can you unfollow them immediately without
Speaker 3: them being offended.
Speaker 2: That's not up to you.
Speaker 3: If you really cared about offending them or not offending them,
Speaker 3: then you wouldn't be unfollowing them. It's always gonna be
Speaker 3: perceived as offensive, even if you're not big on social
Speaker 3: or does it matter to you, or it was an accident.
Speaker 3: Remember one time I used I was trying to clear
Speaker 3: up my followers list because I didn't like my algorithm.
Speaker 2: Oh whilst I was back.
Speaker 3: In like twenty nineteen, when we're like, oh, the algorithm's
Speaker 3: not chronological and I wasn't just I wasn't seeing my
Speaker 3: friends and I wasn't seeing people that I interacted with.
Speaker 3: So it's like, let me just get one of those apps.
Speaker 3: And I have friends, I have friends who use unfollowing apps,
Speaker 3: a track who follows them. I just wanted to clear
Speaker 3: out people that I wasn't engaging with, right, So I
Speaker 3: was like, let me clear out because when I would
Speaker 3: see content I didn't like, I wouldn't do anything about it,
Speaker 3: So like, let me just clear out people I haven't
Speaker 3: engaged with. But the option was like people you haven't
Speaker 3: engaged with and haven't engaged with you in the last
Speaker 3: I don't know, six months or something.
Speaker 2: So it unfollows a lot of people on my behalf.
Speaker 3: Why the next morning my best friends are getting messages
Speaker 3: from other friends being like, Hey, what's what's flex's problem
Speaker 3: with me?
Speaker 2: She's unfollowed me because of what.
Speaker 3: So the point is you can do it immediately after,
Speaker 3: and I think you should make a point I would say,
Speaker 3: better Yet, we've got to be better at trying to
Speaker 3: address poor behavior without being or feeling confrontational.
Speaker 2: True, that's a beautiful skill, and it's really difficult to do.
Speaker 1: It is hard to do.
Speaker 3: It's not always necessary. But I feel like sometimes you
Speaker 3: just fend for yourself and like do the unfollow and
Speaker 3: then never open their messages.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 3: I think that's a really great approach. And then on
Speaker 3: the other hand, it's a really beautiful skill to be like, ooh,
Speaker 3: I don't love that.
Speaker 1: And I don't love that, but is that my problem?
Speaker 3: Well, just so they know, so you can you can
Speaker 3: have context for your future behavior when they realize that
Speaker 3: you aren't interested in maintaining a friendship, they can circle
Speaker 3: back to, oh, there was that pivotal moment where I
Speaker 3: said something and for me didn't respond.
Speaker 2: Well, that was probably it.
Speaker 1: Beautifully done flex per as per.
Speaker 2: This is flex and Rooms.
Speaker 1: I'm Kaita. Kim Kardashian Kimberly Noel Kardashian for those playing
Speaker 1: along at home, is an actress, an actress. She recently
Speaker 1: was on American Horror Story.
Speaker 2: Did you see that coming? Really? What do you mean?
Speaker 1: American Horror Stories is like whether people that aren't actors
Speaker 1: go to start acting in good ways? Like Lady Yaga
Speaker 1: won an Oscar for American Horror Story from her playing
Speaker 1: a witch in it. I'm pretty sure whoa an Oscar
Speaker 1: or a golden globe. Anyway, she won some prestigious award.
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian is an American Horror Story. I haven't watched
Speaker 1: it yet, but I read an article that said, oh
Speaker 1: my god, she was actually good, and I thought that's
Speaker 1: a bit shady. Do you think Kim Kardashian is underestimated? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You think she always been?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And why do you reckon that?
Speaker 2: Is? People hate women?
Speaker 3: No, it's just for all the reasons that exists now, Like,
Speaker 3: I don't think people can fathom that one person.
Speaker 2: Can be excellent.
Speaker 3: I think excellence is really hard people to stomach, even
Speaker 3: when it doesn't come in a package that you want
Speaker 3: to see it in, Like, we really make a lot
Speaker 3: of room for sports excellence, for like academic excellence.
Speaker 1: And what about Instagram excellence? Huh, I'll give you that one.
Speaker 1: I really want to watch it. Do you watch American
Speaker 1: Horror Story?
Speaker 2: I haven't watched it since the first season. It's a
Speaker 2: bit of me.
Speaker 3: I'm just really not good at keeping up with watching
Speaker 3: full series and paying attention.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've never watched the ones that have the
Speaker 1: full series. I watch the standalone episodes and they send
Speaker 1: me into what some would refer to as a depression.
Speaker 2: Would you refer to it as a depress? Okay?
Speaker 1: But really like American Horror Story is like so entertaining
Speaker 1: but also makes me really sad and scared. So weird combo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian, do you think that she thought she would
Speaker 1: become an actor?
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I always see one of my
Speaker 1: favorite videos of her. Well, that's a lie. It's not a.
Speaker 2: Favorite, but a video that I know is a video
Speaker 2: you saw one time.
Speaker 1: I've seen the timetime in but it always piques my interest.
Speaker 1: Is when she's like thirteen and she's at a party.
Speaker 1: Do you know the one she's a little bob and
Speaker 1: she's like, my name's Kimbrilliant, I'm going to be famous
Speaker 1: and down dada and then she starts dancing.
Speaker 2: I don't know that one.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like her birthday party and she's like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be famous and da dada, and then she
Speaker 1: went and did it. Like I know, we've spoken about
Speaker 1: the Kardashians previously, and you're like, especially about North and
Speaker 1: kind of being like her being online and stuff is
Speaker 1: like another marketing tool. Do you think that, like from
Speaker 1: the beginning, there's been this master plan or do you
Speaker 1: think the Kardashian's is just good at like taking opportunities.
Speaker 3: I'm sure the master plan started somewhere, if not with Chris,
Speaker 3: before Chris, with Robert, where how to be business minded,
Speaker 3: how to capitalize.
Speaker 2: How to be opportunistic.
Speaker 3: I'm sure that was like in the fabric of that
Speaker 3: family structure, But I don't think they would have imagined
Speaker 3: it'd be possible without seeing Kim's like meteoric rise from
Speaker 3: being an assistant or like a professional friend to building
Speaker 3: an empire and bring her whole family up along with it.
Speaker 2: With a replicable strategy. Babes.
Speaker 1: You must admit it's pretty amazing. I'm very excited to
Speaker 1: watch American horror stories with her in it. The review
Speaker 1: said that like some of her lines are a bit wooden,
Speaker 1: you know, because she's not like a trained actor, but
Speaker 1: it kind of adds to it because her character is
Speaker 1: like a publicity, like a pr maven I'm pretty sure,
Speaker 1: which I thought was also an interesting casting. I love it.
Speaker 3: If you've been paying attention to anything I've said over
Speaker 3: the last six weeks to six months, you would know
Speaker 3: that I'm campaigning for a matriarchal society. Some said it
Speaker 3: was impossible that would be so fast, rooms that it
Speaker 3: wasn't possible. So those who don't really understand a matriarchy, yes,
Speaker 3: we should start with what a patriarchy is. It's a
Speaker 3: system of society or government in which men hold the
Speaker 3: power and women are largely excluded from it. Now, people say, well,
Speaker 3: what is a matriarchy the opposite for starters. Sure, I
Speaker 3: don't mind that, but I think that it is.
Speaker 2: It's a slave triarchy.
Speaker 3: It's a slavetriarchy. It is a fallacy to say a
Speaker 3: matriarchy is just patriarchy with women at the head. It's
Speaker 3: just it's not It wouldn't be because we would do
Speaker 3: things differently. For example, the eight hour work day is
Speaker 3: heavily based on the way that a man hormones work right,
Speaker 3: And so if we were making a matriarchy that was
Speaker 3: considerate that women have a twenty eight to thirty day
Speaker 3: home modal cycle, what would work look like?
Speaker 1: Then I wouldn't be here.
Speaker 2: What would work will look like? What would communities look like?
Speaker 3: From the research I've done, and there's not a lot
Speaker 3: on matriarchies because I guess it takes a lot to
Speaker 3: think creatively about something that doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: That's so extreme.
Speaker 3: If we can't think about anything about capitalism, how do
Speaker 3: you think we feel about patriarchy? But one thing that
Speaker 3: comes to be is that in a matriarchy we operate
Speaker 3: on a needs base first, So the way that we
Speaker 3: manage what is important and what is not important is
Speaker 3: what do people need?
Speaker 2: They need shelter, they need food, they need a good.
Speaker 3: Quality of life, how they need hugs, they need exercise,
Speaker 3: they need therapy, they need community, And those would.
Speaker 2: Be the priorities.
Speaker 3: And then the FBI agent in my device said I've
Speaker 3: got something for you. I started watching this TV show
Speaker 3: called The Power and the thing with Me and TV.
Speaker 3: It's background noise power. I put it on when I'm
Speaker 3: doing other stuff, and rarely at that. Who would get
Speaker 3: such a I have a beautiful TV babe, a beautiful
Speaker 3: Samsung frame, beautiful gold gilded frame. I rarely use it,
Speaker 3: why because TikTok exists. But as I've been thinking what
Speaker 3: would society look like with women at the head? I
Speaker 3: come across this show The Power. It starts Tony Collette,
Speaker 3: and it's in this fictional reality, suddenly women develop a
Speaker 3: mysterious new ability to electrocute at will. Leads is like
Speaker 3: this extraordinary global reversal of the power balance, and so
Speaker 3: from teenagers, I think thirteen year olds to sixty year
Speaker 3: olds all have this power. It's sort of talking about
Speaker 3: a world where literal teenage girls have had to develop
Speaker 3: another organ which conducts electricity as a biological and evolutionary
Speaker 3: response to the inherent danger women experience. Like our bodies
Speaker 3: are literally going to evolve to protect us.
Speaker 1: I mean, why has it not happened already.
Speaker 3: Let's not give anyone any ideas, but the point is
Speaker 3: in this show, it's like you look at the way
Speaker 3: people interact with women now, and they're scared in the show.
Speaker 3: In the show, they're scared and they're fearful and they're suspicious,
Speaker 3: and you know, men are suddenly being like, I don't
Speaker 3: want to go to women's only venues. That's really scary
Speaker 3: to I don't want to go to schools where women
Speaker 3: are the predominant gender. I don't want to be in
Speaker 3: space where there's heaps of women. That's that's inherently dangerous
Speaker 3: to me. I feel unsafe, I said, Oh, I.
Speaker 1: Love something so crazy to imagine literally, like I'm giggling literally,
Speaker 1: but keep saying.
Speaker 3: When I've had conversations with friends about this matriarchy concept,
Speaker 3: I say, before you even get to power structure and politics,
Speaker 3: I'm surprised now why people aren't fearful of women. The
Speaker 3: women I know are so powerful, even if they don't
Speaker 3: feel it, the lengths that they go through to shield
Speaker 3: the world from the vengeance that they have, the wrath
Speaker 3: that they have.
Speaker 2: People are not ready the women. We are ready.
Speaker 1: Talk to me tsunami like explosion.
Speaker 2: My legs are swinging. And of course everyone can come,
Speaker 2: not all men, babe. I've got a few favorites of
Speaker 2: mine that will come along. Fear not, but just know
Speaker 2: the tides are changing, he said.
Speaker 1: It's fine, it's fun.
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