WEBVTT - Ask Uncut - Is This Normal? Bridesmaid Beef & Beers For One

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<v Speaker 1>Life Uncut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands

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<v Speaker 1>were never seated. We pay our respects to their elders

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<v Speaker 1>past and present.

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<v Speaker 2>Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. This episode was

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<v Speaker 2>recorded on Cameragle Land.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life

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<v Speaker 1>un Cut. I'm Brittany and I'm Laura.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry I forgot to my phone on silent now I'm good, shocked, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready, do.

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<v Speaker 3>Not disturb me.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know my favorite thing about you is your

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<v Speaker 1>someone's phone on golf And Laura's like, someone's phone's on,

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone looks at their phone and we're all on

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<v Speaker 1>do not disturb, and she's like, what's mine?

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<v Speaker 3>Every time.

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<v Speaker 1>We're all like, it's not us. She's like, I can

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<v Speaker 1>hear it. You're like everyone to know.

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<v Speaker 2>That I'm popular and that indeed people do try and

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<v Speaker 2>contact me.

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<v Speaker 3>It happens. I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, what I don't know why this memory

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<v Speaker 1>is flashing into my head. Oh god, when you said

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<v Speaker 1>I want everyone to think I'm popular, guys, please think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm popular. I think I might have told this on

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast like four years ago. Has to have been

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning, I had been seeing this guy that

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<v Speaker 1>I was obsessed with, that like couldn't care less about me.

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest, I remember, I was like, I was

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<v Speaker 1>so frustra It was hot, obviously, that's why I was

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed with him more. And I was so frustrated by

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<v Speaker 1>the way he treated me because he gave me enough

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<v Speaker 1>to keep me going and pretended he was interested.

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<v Speaker 2>Which one was he can we give him a give

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<v Speaker 2>me a two words that would explain to me who

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<v Speaker 2>he is.

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<v Speaker 1>I can, but I also don't ever want him to

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<v Speaker 1>hear what I'm about to say.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not listening. He doesn't care about you, Brett. He

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<v Speaker 3>never did.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's the thing he did.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, give me two words and we'll beat them.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah yeah. Anyway, very long on and off

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote relationship, but it wasn't anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>So I remember you thought it was a relations He

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<v Speaker 3>would let me go.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd be like it's not for me, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>would be like cool, then I'll move on with my

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<v Speaker 1>life and he'd reared me back in and it was

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<v Speaker 1>like that for years. Anyway. I remember this one time

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<v Speaker 1>it was like getting to the end of this, it

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be like a big blop, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, okay, it's now whenever. So I remember changing

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<v Speaker 1>my friend's name in my phone to this really hot

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<v Speaker 1>famous person, and I said, I'm going to be meeting

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<v Speaker 1>him for coffee at this time. I'm going to put

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<v Speaker 1>my phone in the middle of the table message me

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<v Speaker 1>multiple times. So this person's name pomps up. So do

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? I just faked.

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<v Speaker 3>I just faked my friend. I just changed their name.

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<v Speaker 1>So it looked like this hot famous guy kept messaging

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<v Speaker 1>me in front of him, and I saw him look down,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I was such a good actor. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry, and I turned it and turned my

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<v Speaker 1>phone over. But I knew that he had seen that

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<v Speaker 1>we're coming through. It worked. He was back in. He

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<v Speaker 1>was like, give it to me, Brittany, Okay, how hard

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<v Speaker 1>did you go?

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<v Speaker 4>Was it?

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<v Speaker 3>Chatting Tatum? No, it was attainable.

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<v Speaker 1>It was believable. It was a neighbor's star. It was

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<v Speaker 1>to Robert.

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<v Speaker 4>Someone from us Shift, Miguel, you got me.

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<v Speaker 1>Larry's hot.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, every single person I've mentioned has like a wife

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<v Speaker 2>or a lovely girlfriend, so not attainable.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like Timothy's shallow man, bit far shoot to the stars.

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<v Speaker 1>It was someone that like I shouldn't have even say

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<v Speaker 1>it attainable, but it was like it could have been

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<v Speaker 1>a long shot on any good day.

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<v Speaker 3>I need to know now who the attainable person is.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I can beat it again, you go.

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<v Speaker 3>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah sex speak, all those names.

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<v Speaker 3>Just my whole story is just going to be like

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<v Speaker 3>beetep beep.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, oh, guys, I wanted to say so.

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<v Speaker 2>If you listen to Tuesday's episode, we talked about the

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<v Speaker 2>cultural and social phenomenon that is Reagan. We did a

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<v Speaker 2>deep dive, but we almost did like a premature deep dive,

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<v Speaker 2>because we talked about it on Monday morning, when you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there was quite a bit of information the news about it.

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<v Speaker 2>She was already going very very viral the time. But

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<v Speaker 2>that episode came out on Tuesday, and since then there's

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<v Speaker 2>been developments And maybe Reygun is a scammer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Turner's tape, ray Gun the break dancing scammer. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's not start the rumors in case they're not true.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's some due diligence, some further due diligence that

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<v Speaker 1>we do need to do here and the world needs

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<v Speaker 1>to do. But some spicy little things are starting to

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<v Speaker 1>come roll onto the dance floor.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is wild. Also, it's got fourteen thousand

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<v Speaker 2>signatures right now. The goal is fifteen thousand, so they're

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<v Speaker 2>almost there. They're actually there're on fourteen eight hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty eight signatures. So people really care about this. But

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<v Speaker 2>it says hold reygun Rachel Gunn and Anna me is

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<v Speaker 2>accountable for unethical conduct at the Olympic selection.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel that you guys are kind of dancing around

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<v Speaker 4>it just in case. But I don't mind kind of

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<v Speaker 4>throwing myself under the bus if this does end up

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<v Speaker 4>to not be correct.

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<v Speaker 3>We're dancing around it so we don't get sued.

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<v Speaker 4>And also I don't have as much to lose, so

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<v Speaker 4>hang on, you do try and sue me, but I

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<v Speaker 4>can claim bankruptcy.

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<v Speaker 1>We get sued, not you. No, I'm dancing around it

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<v Speaker 1>before we say it. This is allegedly. I'm dancing around

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<v Speaker 1>it because the worst thing you can do to someone

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<v Speaker 1>is go and publicly throw mud on them and accuse

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<v Speaker 1>them of something if they didn't do it. So until

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<v Speaker 1>we one hundred percent no, that is why I dance

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<v Speaker 1>around it.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so there's speculation, there's smoke and fire saying that

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<v Speaker 4>she set up her own governing body, her husband was

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<v Speaker 4>involved in the selection process, there was something to do

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<v Speaker 4>with how there was access to the competition of which

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<v Speaker 4>she was selected to then go on and represent Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just looking a bit cheap.

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<v Speaker 2>When you say the governing body, you mean around the

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<v Speaker 2>Olympic qualifiers. So that's why people are calling, Okay, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't go to someone who was the best dancer

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia when it comes to break dancing, and there

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<v Speaker 2>was a lot of allowances that allowed her to get

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<v Speaker 2>there in the first place.

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<v Speaker 3>There is people mad on the internet yet, but I'd

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<v Speaker 3>love to actually and this is why I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to accuse.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd love to wait till the facts are out, because

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<v Speaker 1>you don't just have a panel, a husband and wife panel,

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<v Speaker 1>with one person that goes, oh, this is the one

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<v Speaker 1>and there's evidently far superior athletes there. So there's definitely

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<v Speaker 1>still questions around this. For me, it still doesn't add up,

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<v Speaker 1>so I need to see receipts.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's looking as though there were issues with people

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<v Speaker 4>who were actually very talented in this particular field who

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<v Speaker 4>may have wanted to represent Australia being able to get

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<v Speaker 4>to the qualifier events. There's a cultural element to this.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of people are, you know, saying that there's

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<v Speaker 4>an element.

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<v Speaker 1>Of cultural appropriation.

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<v Speaker 4>But I do think it's important to point out that

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<v Speaker 4>we recorded at eight am on Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of this information wasn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Widespread by then, and that's kind of why I feel

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<v Speaker 4>like we're just saying there is.

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<v Speaker 1>More now to present.

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<v Speaker 4>If this information had been available and when we were recorded,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe we.

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<v Speaker 3>Would have had different opinions.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, it's wild to me how much we've spoken about

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<v Speaker 2>break dancing for something I've never talked about in my

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<v Speaker 2>entire life. It's now dominated my existence the past four days.

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<v Speaker 3>This person she haunts me in my sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to do it when I was a part

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<v Speaker 1>of a youth group. I'm not gonna lie. I used

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<v Speaker 1>to do that, the spin on the back.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we used to do it on Wednesdays and Fridays,

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<v Speaker 4>but then I ended up going into the band instead.

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<v Speaker 4>But break dancing, it was a big part of the

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<v Speaker 4>church culture.

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<v Speaker 3>I always thought I could be Olympian.

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<v Speaker 1>So fine, do you know what it would be?

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<v Speaker 2>I always thought I that's a lie. I actually don't

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<v Speaker 2>have any stamina for anything. I could never go to

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<v Speaker 2>the Olympics. You know how some people they had that

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<v Speaker 2>fighting spirit that when they feel as though they should

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<v Speaker 2>stop in their body, their brain takes over. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>think of people like Ned Brockman, for example. I was

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<v Speaker 2>born without that. When things get hard, I stop. When

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<v Speaker 2>my body says, like you're tired, now, I go. I

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<v Speaker 2>listen to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Ned Brockman inside, like that's who I want to be.

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<v Speaker 1>You're competitive, very competitive. I think we give up soon.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm tired.

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<v Speaker 4>If there was an Olympic sport right now that you

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<v Speaker 4>think you'd be most suited to, what would it be?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I need to sleep think about that. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>a sport.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to be the guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Was he Turkish?

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<v Speaker 4>Used to be military guy, just went up with the gun.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what silver? I know what I would

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<v Speaker 1>have if I could go back into another life, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>do tennis. I'd be a tennis player. That's interesting, dated one.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand why that's awkward at all, just funny.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what you you asked the question. I answered, That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I think I would.

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<v Speaker 3>I love playing tennis, and I think that that's what

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<v Speaker 3>I'd want to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'd be good at it. I think I picked

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<v Speaker 1>you guys great couples tennis back in the day. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he just came up. He was just in the Wimbledon final. Actually, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a segway. Keep going. We might have been a

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<v Speaker 1>great tennis couple, but we're not a couple. I'm in love.

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<v Speaker 1>Cut all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's like everything I've said on this podcast, so.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't exist to control altfully.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, guys, welcome back to another episode with Keisha and Laura.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we are here to answer your questions. I

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<v Speaker 2>promise we're getting into that. There's just one more thing

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do before we do unpack all.

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<v Speaker 3>Of your troublesome troubles.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you listen on Tuesday's episode as well, you

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<v Speaker 2>would know that Britt is now moving to Romania.

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<v Speaker 1>I live in Romania.

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<v Speaker 3>She lives in Romania.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Romanian and moving to Romania. Well no, but I mean, Ben,

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<v Speaker 2>look you your beautiful fiance. He's now living in Romania,

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<v Speaker 2>which means that you'll be spending a lot of time there,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a country that you seem to know absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>nothing about.

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<v Speaker 3>Except that's where Dracula is, except that you taught me that.

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<v Speaker 2>Except Dracula came from Romania, from Transylvania.

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<v Speaker 1>So actually one edition here. I know you're going somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>with it. But my favorite part of the other day

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<v Speaker 1>was Keisha saying, isn't Dracula a mosquito? That's what Keisha said.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we need that quote taken and put somewhere. Anyway, continued,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, he was like a mosquito.

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<v Speaker 4>You can see where the parallels are. Vampires and mosquitos

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<v Speaker 4>both suck blood.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's a bat. I didn't know it was a

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<v Speaker 1>bad He moved to Romania, which is where Dracula is from.

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<v Speaker 2>As a fun fact, dracular Aara not real but no,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's based on a real person.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's the But where.

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<v Speaker 1>He's from is real, which is Transylvania. In Romania, Dracula,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he thrives in a colder environment, but it

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<v Speaker 1>does get really cold in the winter there.

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<v Speaker 3>What does he do in summer?

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<v Speaker 1>I think he doesn't go out at night. Dracula is

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<v Speaker 1>a night animal. Isn't that the whole point?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not It's kind of like a mosquito, isn't he mosquito?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>I went up about Dracula.

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<v Speaker 3>He's about my bat. I don't know how you guys

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<v Speaker 3>don't know about Dracula. Where the fuck did you grow up?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's important to know some fun facts about

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<v Speaker 2>the place that you're going to be moving to.

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<v Speaker 3>And we're going to miss you when you live in Romania. Britt,

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<v Speaker 3>it's been good so far.

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<v Speaker 1>Am I going to die in Romania?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, here's one that one of our beautiful life has

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<v Speaker 2>sent us, she said. Britt needs to know what's going

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<v Speaker 2>down in Romania. So the country is home to eight

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<v Speaker 2>thousand brown bears, according to the Environmental Ministry, Europe's largest

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<v Speaker 2>brown bear population outside of Russia. Bears have killed twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six people and severely injured them two hundred and seventy

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<v Speaker 2>four others over the past twenty years.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>There were bears in Romania.

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<v Speaker 3>So people are dropping dead from bears in Romania?

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<v Speaker 1>Are they where ben is? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>They're everywhere. The place is infested with brown mes So

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<v Speaker 3>what am I supposed to do? And bats?

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<v Speaker 2>It was the first city to have electric street lamps

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<v Speaker 2>in Europe, so they're advanced.

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<v Speaker 1>They're super fast and it is rapid. They're fast advanced.

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<v Speaker 4>One thing you will love is that Romania is one

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<v Speaker 4>of the countries with the fastest internet speed. It has

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<v Speaker 4>the sixth fastest internet speed in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, so I can record from there, we can reach you.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be able to get down the line real quick.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, it'll just buffer on our end. It's Australian Internet.

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<v Speaker 4>So shit.

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<v Speaker 2>It also has and this is one of the tourist

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<v Speaker 2>landmarks that apparently everyone needs to go and visit when

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<v Speaker 2>they're in Romania. Romania has one of the happiest cemeteries

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<v Speaker 2>in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>It is called the Merry Cemetery.

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<v Speaker 2>And all the tombstones are decorated colorfully and have poetry

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<v Speaker 2>or they have like funny jokes to try and relate

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<v Speaker 2>back to the person who's in them.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, but that screams Brittany as the person heads

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<v Speaker 1>with a joke. That is cool, man, it's nice. That

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<v Speaker 1>is the kind of cemetery I think should be everywhere

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<v Speaker 1>around the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's only in Romania. Sorry. You know what's not.

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<v Speaker 4>Only in Romania?

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<v Speaker 3>What Little Paris Book Arrest.

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<v Speaker 4>Its nickname is Little Paris because they built an Arcta

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<v Speaker 4>Triumph in nineteen thirty five.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen it all after in real life. No Ben

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<v Speaker 1>lives near the Arkda Triumph, the fake one.

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<v Speaker 2>It always surprises me when countries do that, when they

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<v Speaker 2>build like something from another country inside them.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like you never have to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>We have it all here, here's our little Paris version Vegas.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so weak.

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<v Speaker 1>He's fake countries everywhere. Yeah, anyway you feel like you're

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<v Speaker 1>in there. There's even a fake sky.

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<v Speaker 2>Chloe just wanted to make you feel a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more at home with some very interesting Romania facts.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that makes me feel at home.

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<v Speaker 1>By being like sober, you're probably going to die by

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<v Speaker 1>a brown bear. But if you do die, you can

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<v Speaker 1>have a joke on your headstone about the brown bear,

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<v Speaker 1>about the I actually have a joke about a bear.

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<v Speaker 3>What is it?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you coax a bear out of a tree?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, with some honey, with camon bear, You

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<v Speaker 3>and your fucking cheese jokes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even giving you a laugh.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I'm not even giving you a giggle.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you call a bear without any teeth?

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<v Speaker 1>Bare mouth?

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<v Speaker 3>A gummy bear?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not laughing back at a principle. I'm not giving

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<v Speaker 1>you a laugh.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's get into vibes onswer.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna kick it off today because I have a

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<v Speaker 2>vibe that I want everyone to get behind.

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<v Speaker 1>Great.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very insular vibe. It has come from within my

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<v Speaker 2>home and I'm extremely proud of my husband, So Matt

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<v Speaker 2>and his podcast partner Ash Wicks, who have the podcast

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<v Speaker 2>Two Doting Dads. You guys might have heard of it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fabulous, especially for any parents out there who just

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<v Speaker 2>want to listen to, you know, the normal trials and

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<v Speaker 2>tribulations of parenting, the relatable shit. They have written a

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<v Speaker 2>kid's book and it's called Two Doting Dads The Quest

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<v Speaker 2>for Free Time.

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<v Speaker 3>It came out yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>It is available in all Good bookstores and all Terrible bookstores.

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<v Speaker 1>They will sell it anywhere that you can buy a

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<v Speaker 1>book from.

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<v Speaker 3>What's it about it?

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<v Speaker 1>So like two dads that don't want to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>There are two dads who are in the park with

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<v Speaker 2>their children and they're reminiscing about life before they had kids,

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<v Speaker 2>how it was so easy for them to do things

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<v Speaker 2>together as friends. And then they devise a plan. So

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<v Speaker 2>that they can go and spend time together just the

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<v Speaker 2>two of them. But then all of the tribulations of

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<v Speaker 2>being a parent get in the way, like one of

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<v Speaker 2>the men's up in hospital because they've stepped on legook

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<v Speaker 2>too much detail ends up having a puna.

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<v Speaker 1>The book now just tell us what it's mostly, don't

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<v Speaker 1>ruin the plot.

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<v Speaker 2>No, But the reason why it's really sweet is because

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the book, the two dads end

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<v Speaker 2>up being able to spend time together without the kids,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they have the realization that the only place

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<v Speaker 2>they want to be is together but with their children.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop it you'd be really sweet. And yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>they've done such a great job. It's such a funny, humorous,

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful kids book. And also it's one where I think

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<v Speaker 2>so many kids books suck because they're great for kids,

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<v Speaker 2>but actually the parents are really find them really boring.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one where as a parent you will enjoy reading it.

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<v Speaker 2>So go and get it. Two darning dads a quest

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<v Speaker 2>for free time, and I'm so proud of Matt go

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<v Speaker 2>tell wonderfully.

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<v Speaker 4>Is my vibe for this week? Is the movie that

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<v Speaker 4>every single person is talking about. I went and saw

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<v Speaker 4>it last Thursday. It is the movie it ends with us,

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<v Speaker 4>starring Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni. It was initially a

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<v Speaker 4>book by Colin Hoover.

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<v Speaker 1>It was read by half.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the world, like it was so popular, and I

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<v Speaker 4>haven't read the book, but Beck, my friend who I

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<v Speaker 4>went with to the movies to go and see it,

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<v Speaker 4>she had initially before this was turned into a movie.

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<v Speaker 4>When they were filming the scenes, there was a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of criticism of the fact that the original storyline involves

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<v Speaker 4>a twenty three year old girl, and so what plays

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<v Speaker 4>out it's not a rom com, even though when you

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<v Speaker 4>kind of look at the imagery and the stuff that's

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<v Speaker 4>being used to promote the book, I thought it was

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<v Speaker 4>going to be more of a rom com than it was.

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<v Speaker 4>But I was aware of the theme of the movie

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<v Speaker 4>before I went in, and I actually think that for

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<v Speaker 4>anyone who is going to see it, you probably need

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<v Speaker 4>to be because it wasn't what I expected romantic drama.

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<v Speaker 4>The theme of the book and of the movie is

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<v Speaker 4>domestic violence, and it shows kind of the complexities about

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<v Speaker 4>these relationships, of abusive relationships, of how they can seem

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<v Speaker 4>to be one thing and then they can turn into another.

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<v Speaker 4>I really really liked the movie and not liked as

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<v Speaker 4>in like I thought it was such a good time

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<v Speaker 4>to watch. I think for anyone who has experienced any

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<v Speaker 4>forms of violence or abuse, the word triggering I think

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<v Speaker 4>gets thrown around a little bit too much. But I

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<v Speaker 4>actually do think you need to be warned that there

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<v Speaker 4>will be scenes in the movie that are confronting, because

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<v Speaker 4>I think if you're someone who has experienced that, you

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<v Speaker 4>know what comes next. I think they walked the line

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<v Speaker 4>really well for an audience who were much more likely

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<v Speaker 4>to be victims rather than perpetrators. I thought the acting

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<v Speaker 4>was really good. I put up a story last Thursday

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<v Speaker 4>after I saw the movie, and I got so many

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<v Speaker 4>messages from life on cut listeners being like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 4>what did you think? There are criticisms. One of the

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<v Speaker 4>main criticisms is that the power dynamic doesn't fit as

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<v Speaker 4>well in the movie as what it did in the book,

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<v Speaker 4>because Blake Lively is obviously not twenty three, so that

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<v Speaker 4>was an additional part. I actually think that they kind

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<v Speaker 4>of adapted really well in that way, so that that

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't something that played out so much in the movie.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of press at the moment about Justin

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<v Speaker 4>Baldoni not getting on with the cast and different reasons

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<v Speaker 4>that they might be feuding. There's criticism over the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that Blake Lively has launched a hair care line and

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<v Speaker 4>she's saying things like where your florals, get your girlfriends

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<v Speaker 4>together and go and see the movie when it's about

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<v Speaker 4>domestic violence. Yeah, I don't really know where I land

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<v Speaker 4>on that. I thought it was a really good movie

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<v Speaker 4>to help people understand that domestic violence relationships, there are moments,

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<v Speaker 4>and there are reasons that people stay, and there are

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<v Speaker 4>reasons that people still love perpetrators, and I thought that

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<v Speaker 4>the movie actually showed that in a really, really good way.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh it's so good.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen so much press around it, but genuinely haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I haven't seen it yet, obviously, And I

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<v Speaker 2>knew a little bit about the book because I started

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<v Speaker 2>it then didn't finish it. But I know at the

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<v Speaker 2>time it was a real TikTok sensation of a book.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's always interesting to see how films adapt something

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<v Speaker 2>that is so well loved and so well read. It's

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<v Speaker 2>good to know that, not that you can have the comparison,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's good to know that as someone who's coming

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<v Speaker 2>to it just as a movie.

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<v Speaker 4>You enjoyed it, Yeah, And I think that whenever there

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<v Speaker 4>are books that are that popular turned into movies, people

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<v Speaker 4>are automatically going to be critical because they've painted an

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<v Speaker 4>idea of what they think a character is going to be,

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<v Speaker 4>and then they see it on a screen they go,

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<v Speaker 4>that's not what I pitch it totally. So there are

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of criticisms about the adaptation. My friend beck

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<v Speaker 4>she thought it was a good adaptation.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the same with I know everyone got really obsessed

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<v Speaker 2>with One Day because One Day is a very very

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<v Speaker 2>famous book, and I would say the characters weren't the

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<v Speaker 2>way in which I envisaged them in the series. If

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<v Speaker 2>you guys watched it everyone was talking about a few

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<v Speaker 2>months ago, but they were different. But I absolutely loved

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<v Speaker 2>the adaptation, even though they weren't the way that I

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<v Speaker 2>pictured them to be.

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<v Speaker 1>My Vibe this Week is probably one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>podcast episodes I have ever listened to ever. It is

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<v Speaker 1>from Stephen Bartlett's diar over CEO, who you guys might

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<v Speaker 1>have listened to the episode we had Stephen Barlin on

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<v Speaker 1>our podcast. It is with a man named Francis Enganal.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a man from Cameroon in Central Africa. He

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<v Speaker 1>was the UFC heavyweight champion. He was a boxer and

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<v Speaker 1>a UFC fighter, both of them mixed martial arts. He

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<v Speaker 1>did it all, but his story is probably the most

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<v Speaker 1>inspirational and powerful story that I have ever heard. He

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<v Speaker 1>grew up in Central Africa so poor, with an abusive father,

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<v Speaker 1>and he decided at like ten years old that he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to fight. He's like, I wanted to be a fighter,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was no gym, no training facility, nothing anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>He was so determined that he he's like, I need

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<v Speaker 1>to get out of here. So he started working at

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<v Speaker 1>like twelve years old in a mine, Save Safe, Saved.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it's his story of walking, driving across Africa,

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<v Speaker 1>across the Sahara Desert, getting in the ocean and trying

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<v Speaker 1>to swim, trying across the ocean by a dinghy six times.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually he makes it to Europe with like zero money.

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<v Speaker 1>He has nothing and no one, and he finds a

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<v Speaker 1>gym and goes in nothing and says, I want to fight.

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<v Speaker 1>What can I do? They told him, and he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't afford that. They're like, let me speak to

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<v Speaker 1>a coach and they let him train for free. This

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<v Speaker 1>man that didn't owe him anything, put him up in

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<v Speaker 1>an apartment and they trained him and trained him and

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<v Speaker 1>trained him and trained him, and he ended up becoming

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<v Speaker 1>the heavyweight champion of the world.

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<v Speaker 3>That's amazing, what a story.

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<v Speaker 1>It gets even more incredible. The way he looks and

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<v Speaker 1>his personality are two polar opposite things. The things that

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<v Speaker 1>he has been through that is surface level. The things

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<v Speaker 1>that this man has been through is something that you

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<v Speaker 1>just wouldn't want to wish upon anyone. And then recently

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<v Speaker 1>he lost his fifteen month old son. But his story

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<v Speaker 1>and the way he speaks is the most powerful thing

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever heard. And I left that thinking, my God,

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<v Speaker 1>like he's the definition of if you want something and

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<v Speaker 1>dream and work hard enough and don't give up, that

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<v Speaker 1>you can get it. Like That's how I felt when

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<v Speaker 1>I left.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's also interesting when you hear stories like

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<v Speaker 4>that and you think about the people who didn't have

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<v Speaker 4>to help, but did.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I meant. I left thinking one person being

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<v Speaker 1>kind for no reason changed his entire existence. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have to do anything. It was just a random

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<v Speaker 1>off the street that had nothing. It was like, please

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<v Speaker 1>let me train for free? Like who would have said

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<v Speaker 1>yes to that? So anyway, that's my recommendation. It came

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<v Speaker 1>out last week on the eighth. It's Diary of CEO

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<v Speaker 1>with Stephen Bartlett and the episode is Francis Engernell Wonderful.

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<v Speaker 4>You want to get into the question, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Question number one. I've been with my boyfriend for five

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<v Speaker 3>years now.

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<v Speaker 2>I have kids, he doesn't, and I've always felt like

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<v Speaker 2>he's my best mate, not necessarily my penguin. But at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, it's been five years, we've put in

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<v Speaker 2>the work, and my kids now adore him. His best

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<v Speaker 2>friend moved in with us over a year ago. I

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<v Speaker 2>obviously noticed that this man was attractive, and I've known

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<v Speaker 2>him for a long time, but I was happy and

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<v Speaker 2>content with my partner and thought, you know, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>normal to appreciate someone else's good looks. Until he messaged

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<v Speaker 2>me one night I was at work and he had

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<v Speaker 2>been drinking. It said, hey, please don't repeat when I'm

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<v Speaker 2>about to tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>All that never starts well, does it.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes on to tell me that he finds me

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<v Speaker 2>here is this and the reason he chose to take

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<v Speaker 2>a five fo three days on one day off was

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<v Speaker 2>because he struggles to be alone with me. He said

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<v Speaker 2>he thinks about me NonStop. I would be lying if

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<v Speaker 2>I said I didn't feel the lost. I went home,

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<v Speaker 2>I slept it off, and I felt so guilty that

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<v Speaker 2>I did show my boyfriend the messages.

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<v Speaker 1>He kind of just said, oh wow, he.

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<v Speaker 2>Was thinking with the wrong body part, isn't he and

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<v Speaker 2>has since pretended like it never happened. Now I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>a tailspin. I dream about this man. He creeps into

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<v Speaker 2>my mind constantly. He comes home in a week, and

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<v Speaker 2>I've tried gently suggesting to my boyfriend that he really

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<v Speaker 2>needs to move out. Obviously, I haven't told him that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm attracted to his best friend, but I just said.

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<v Speaker 1>That it's just a bit awkward for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, my partner has replied that the extra income is

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<v Speaker 2>helpful and he probably won't try anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Fuck This guy sounds like an idiot.

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<v Speaker 2>But what he doesn't know is that his friend has

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<v Speaker 2>also messaged me since telling me that he's sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>However, I am just so beautiful and kind.

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<v Speaker 2>How I'm the sweetest person that he knows, and he

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<v Speaker 2>can't help but think about me. I truly think that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm feeling this way because after five years of being

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<v Speaker 2>a full time working mom, I feel invisible to my family,

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<v Speaker 2>So having a man call me irresistible is truly just

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<v Speaker 2>a thrill. I do not want to go against my

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<v Speaker 2>morals and destroy someone's trust, but I'm really not sure

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<v Speaker 2>how to navigate this. Should I be looking at this

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<v Speaker 2>as a sign that I'm unfulfilled in my relationship and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it's time to move on, or is this a

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<v Speaker 2>normal reaction to having an attractive man show me attention.

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<v Speaker 1>There is nothing normal about this situation, and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say that by putting a full stop after every word,

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<v Speaker 1>like there is nothing more that is. Boyfriend is the

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<v Speaker 1>most complacent man I've ever heard in my life.

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<v Speaker 3>This okay he needs to or I just can't believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>If my partner if I was like, yo, like, you're

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<v Speaker 1>bestie and the guy that sleeps in the other room

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<v Speaker 1>he wants to have sex with me, he said, I'm irresistible. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he can't not resist me. He can't resist me,

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<v Speaker 1>he can't stop thinking about me. He wants me, And

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<v Speaker 1>my partner was like, oh, he's probably not want to

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<v Speaker 1>try it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think anyone's described me as irresistible in a

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<v Speaker 2>long time.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. The short answer of this is, if you want

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<v Speaker 1>your relationship to survive, he needs to go immediately, needs

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<v Speaker 1>to go, and you don't have to make it a

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<v Speaker 1>big blow up. But like, he cannot stay in the

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<v Speaker 1>same house. He cannot stay, he cannot stay. And when

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<v Speaker 1>you said, actually, there's a part of the question where

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<v Speaker 1>you were like, he creeps into my at night, he

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<v Speaker 1>said he creeps into my mind at night, and I

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<v Speaker 1>thought the sentence was going to go he crips into

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<v Speaker 1>my bed at night, and I was like, well, there's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing normal about this. Like, the only thing that is

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<v Speaker 1>normal is that you feel good knowing that someone's attracted

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<v Speaker 1>to you. That is a really normal thing, especially when

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<v Speaker 1>you feel unseen and underappreciated in your relationship. If you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't felt like you've got a few kids, two kids,

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<v Speaker 1>and you've been together a long time, if you haven't

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<v Speaker 1>felt that spice and desire in your own relationship, which

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<v Speaker 1>chances are you're not because your partner couldn't care less.

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<v Speaker 1>If someone else wants to fuck you, then totally, then

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<v Speaker 1>I think that it's so normal, like everyone, it's human

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<v Speaker 1>nature to feel wanted and appreciated and if anything, to

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<v Speaker 1>feel seen. And it sounds like this guy sees you,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wonder if that is tricking you into thinking

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<v Speaker 1>you want something with him, like a chemistry trick, because

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<v Speaker 1>chemistry can be pretty tricky. Say tricky again, Britt, chemistry.

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<v Speaker 3>Can be pretty tricky.

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<v Speaker 2>I look, I don't want to I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>come into hot in terms of like criticizing your partner,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think some people would look at this situation

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<v Speaker 2>and go, would your partner has so much trust in

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<v Speaker 2>you that that's something that's admirable, Like he trusts that

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<v Speaker 2>you are never going to do anything that goes against

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<v Speaker 2>the foundation of the relationship that you've built together. And

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<v Speaker 2>he also just kind of trusts his friend in a way,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, and he's like.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>But totally there's a sense of naivity, there's a sense

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<v Speaker 2>of complacency in there. But also I do agree with you,

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<v Speaker 2>Britt in saying that it's no wonder to me that

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<v Speaker 2>there is no desire. And it's not because I expect

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<v Speaker 2>my partner to have jealousy, but I would expect my

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<v Speaker 2>partner to care if their friend was showing interest in me,

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<v Speaker 2>sexual interest, I would expect them to have some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of response to that, some sort of sense of protection,

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of sense of like, you know, no, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to prioritize our relationship and our intimacy over my

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<v Speaker 2>friend who's literally trying to have sex with my girlfriend,

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<v Speaker 2>or is you know, behaving inappropriately and creating a situation

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<v Speaker 2>that's uncomfortable in our own house. The complacency pisces me

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<v Speaker 2>off right, and I think, yeah, be careful about looking

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<v Speaker 2>at it as though, oh my god, we trust each

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<v Speaker 2>other so much. I don't think that that is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of that.

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<v Speaker 1>To me is weird. It's not the trust thing. Trust

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't come into this for me. It's not, Yeah, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not caring that your friend.

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<v Speaker 3>Has gone behind your back in your house.

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<v Speaker 1>A house that he has given you. He's gone behind

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<v Speaker 1>your back to message your wife and say I want

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<v Speaker 1>to be with you. I can't stop thinking about you,

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<v Speaker 1>but please don't tell anyone totally. And that's why I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's complacency. So if he is that complacent around that situation,

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<v Speaker 1>how complacent is he in the relationship in total?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, from all the.

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<v Speaker 2>Conversations we've had on this podcast before, Esther Perella is

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<v Speaker 2>the first person who comes to mind, because she's someone

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<v Speaker 2>who speaks so well on the concept of desire. You've

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<v Speaker 2>literally said, after five years, I feel invisible to my family.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no desire in your relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>If you feel invisible, if you feel unseen, your needs

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<v Speaker 2>are not being met. So it is no surprise to

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<v Speaker 2>me that when someone is showing you a level of

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<v Speaker 2>attraction of intimacy, telling you that you're beautiful, that you're irresistible,

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<v Speaker 2>that you are fantasizing about them, course of course you are.

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<v Speaker 2>In no way do I blame you for having those thoughts,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that you have navigated this in the

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<v Speaker 2>best way so far because you haven't cheated on your husband,

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<v Speaker 2>you haven't done anything wrong. But there does have to

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<v Speaker 2>be some boundaries that put in place, and there has

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<v Speaker 2>to be some conversations that I had, like honest, honest conversations,

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<v Speaker 2>because otherwise nothing's going to change. And then this whole

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<v Speaker 2>situation is just put on you to resist temptation rather

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<v Speaker 2>than it being something that you can work through together

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<v Speaker 2>with your partner. So I would say, first thing, he

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<v Speaker 2>has to go. If you're like, Okay, this is just temptation.

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<v Speaker 2>You cannot stay living in the same house as him,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's no way that you're going to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to repair your relationship with your current partner if he's

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<v Speaker 2>still living there. But also it does require a sense

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<v Speaker 2>of honesty and a sense of communication which will be

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<v Speaker 2>hurtful to your current partner around.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>This is how I feel, and I know I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>attracted to him, but I feel as though the attention

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<v Speaker 2>makes me feel something.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think it's because I'm not getting that attention

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<v Speaker 3>from you.

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<v Speaker 1>But also, it's your house too. You don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>subtly suggest that maybe the person that's sneaking around behind

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<v Speaker 1>your partner's back and hitting on you in your own

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<v Speaker 1>house should go. Like that doesn't have to be subtle.

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<v Speaker 1>You are uncomfortable in your house, but it doesn't matter why.

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:49.479
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to tiptoe around with your partner. You

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<v Speaker 1>just say to him, I'm uncomfortable now. We are fine

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<v Speaker 1>without the extra money, or we can find someone else,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't feel comfortable in my house knowing that

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<v Speaker 1>he is there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing I think is put yourself in this situation.

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<v Speaker 1>If that was your friend, a female friend that you

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<v Speaker 1>were renting the room to, and she had message to

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<v Speaker 1>your husband and said, hey, whenever Sally's gone, like, I

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<v Speaker 1>just can't something about you. I want to be with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I know what's wrong, Please don't tell her. If you

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<v Speaker 1>had found out your friend had done that under your

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<v Speaker 1>roof to your husband, I can guarantee you your response

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<v Speaker 1>would be different, and your response is probably the response

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<v Speaker 1>it should be. Like if I gave Keisha a room

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<v Speaker 1>and then found out she was trying to bang Ben

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<v Speaker 1>can imagine there's not bring me into this, no, but.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an example like if your friend, if your good friend.

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<v Speaker 1>If I had to give you a room Keisha, and

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<v Speaker 1>no part of me thinks you'll Ben on record. If

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<v Speaker 1>I gave you a room because you were stuck and

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<v Speaker 1>then I found out you'd been messaging my husband or

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<v Speaker 1>fiance saying that like when I'm out, you want to

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<v Speaker 1>bang him? Imagine like, no normal person, unless they're aiming

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<v Speaker 1>for a threesome, it's going to be okay with.

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<v Speaker 2>That, or unless they don't care, unless that he's going

0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 2>exactly this is the thing, and this is why you

0:29:57.640 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 2>feel undesired because that response from your partner indicates that

0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:05.640
<v Speaker 2>he has partly checked out, he doesn't care. That's why

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:09.080
<v Speaker 2>you feel disappointed because the response is so unreasonable. The

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:12.880
<v Speaker 2>response is so lacking a normal sense of setting boundaries

0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:15.960
<v Speaker 2>within a relationship that it is not surprising.

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 3>To me that there is no desire in your relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's why I think there has to be some

0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 2>hard conversations that have had And I know you say

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:25.800
<v Speaker 2>you haven't. You've told him parts you showed in the messages.

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you showed in the messages to start with.

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:31.360
<v Speaker 2>But this now is at a point where either you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be living in your house in such a

0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:37.240
<v Speaker 2>high stress environment because anytime your housemate comes in, you're

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:40.000
<v Speaker 2>going to have that like or like the elephant in

0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 2>the room anxiety, which is an awful way to live.

0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 2>Your house should be a place of like harmony, peace

0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 2>and comfort. It shouldn't be a place where you're walking

0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 2>on eggshells or you're you're frantically feeling anything inside around

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 2>like being around someone. So the conversation has to be

0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:57.600
<v Speaker 2>your friend has to move out, like this is where

0:30:57.640 --> 0:31:00.600
<v Speaker 2>we're at. This does not sit well with me. I

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 2>don't feel comfortable anymore for X y Z reasons. You

0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 2>can go into as much or as little as you

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:07.480
<v Speaker 2>want to, but then there has to be a conversation

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 2>with your partner around this feeling of invisibility, and if

0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 2>that hasn't changed, or that doesn't change, then you can't

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 2>stay in this relationship because it is not normal to

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:19.959
<v Speaker 2>get to the five year mark and have kids and

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:22.360
<v Speaker 2>feel invisible. And I know a lot of women do,

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 2>and I know a lot of mums especially feel invisible

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:29.560
<v Speaker 2>in their families. That's not normal, and just because it

0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:32.640
<v Speaker 2>happens shouldn't mean that it's accepted and shouldn't mean that

0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:34.800
<v Speaker 2>we go all well, it happens to other people, so therefore,

0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:37.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe I should just be okay with the

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:39.080
<v Speaker 2>fact that we've been together so long now, and you know,

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 2>my husband doesn't really make me feel as though he

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:43.520
<v Speaker 2>cares about me or is thrilled about me. It's like

0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:46.840
<v Speaker 2>you're accepting the behavior and that's why it's continuing.

0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:49.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say that you will do this,

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:51.840
<v Speaker 1>but I do want to say you are far more

0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:54.520
<v Speaker 1>likely to end up cheating. Yeah, you will if he

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 1>stays in your house, because if he's not there, and

0:31:56.840 --> 0:31:59.440
<v Speaker 1>he texts you do with that what you will? BITDP

0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:01.720
<v Speaker 1>is in the lounge room and you're in the kitchen

0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:03.800
<v Speaker 1>and your husband's not there, and he's been flirting with

0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:07.360
<v Speaker 1>you NonStop, little brushes, little touches. You feel neglected in

0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 1>your relationship, you are far more likely to accept those advances.

0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 2>One hundred and because you know that this wasn't a

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 2>drunken attempt. You know that this wasn't just him thinking

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 2>with his willy as your partner brushed it off like

0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 2>we're so stupid. You know that this is something that

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:25.960
<v Speaker 2>runs deeper for him, and it's how he feels about you,

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:30.200
<v Speaker 2>and you're now because of that attention, you're building.

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:31.160
<v Speaker 3>Feelings based off chemistry.

0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Even though those feelings aren't necessarily real, they will become

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 2>very real, very very quickly, and that will be so

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 2>hard for you to navigate when you get to a

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 2>place where you're like, oh fuck, I'm in love with

0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 2>my housemate who's my partner's best friend.

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:46.960
<v Speaker 1>That's where you're headache. That's what will happen. Yeah, and also,

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 1>don't feel like you have to work it out with

0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:50.240
<v Speaker 1>your partner either if it's not there as well, and

0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:52.760
<v Speaker 1>that's a decision you make. That's also okay, But like

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:54.400
<v Speaker 1>you're not going to just walk out and be with

0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:57.200
<v Speaker 1>the friend. But it's a discussion. I have a spiciest banner.

0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 3>What if? Have we started hypotheticals here? Yeah, this is

0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 3>a hypothetical.

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:01.440
<v Speaker 1>What if?

0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 3>What if she does? What if she goes? Okay?

0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm not getting this what I need from my partner,

0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:08.640
<v Speaker 2>and I'm ready to blow my fucking life up into

0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:11.600
<v Speaker 2>a million pieces. Maybe she likes the drama, maybe she

0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 2>likes the red flags. What happens if she goes okay,

0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm done. I feel this strongly about my housemate. I'm

0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:20.800
<v Speaker 2>gonna see what happens. How do you navigate that?

0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like the husband wouldn't care anyway, to be honest, No,

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 1>honestly we joke.

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:30.120
<v Speaker 3>Don't do that, but good luck. No, don't do that.

0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 3>Don't fuck that house making.

0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:33.560
<v Speaker 1>No, unless there's a lot of time in between and

0:33:33.600 --> 0:33:35.760
<v Speaker 1>you've left your partner and you think that he's the one,

0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:37.640
<v Speaker 1>it can't just be sex. It has to because you

0:33:37.640 --> 0:33:42.080
<v Speaker 1>think there's something to it, all right. Question number two,

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 1>how do I tell the bride and groom of a

0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:46.920
<v Speaker 1>wedding that I'm attending later this year that the bridal

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:50.160
<v Speaker 1>party outfit they have chosen for me is awful and

0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 1>I do not want to wear it in no capacity.

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Keep in mind, they also ask me to pay for it,

0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:57.680
<v Speaker 1>so now that's about of pocket for a dress that

0:33:57.760 --> 0:33:59.680
<v Speaker 1>I hate. I live in a different state to them,

0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 1>so I had to order online without trying the outfit

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 1>on before I bought it. It is unflattering, does not

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 1>suit my shape, and I feel very uncomfortable in it.

0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:09.279
<v Speaker 1>I did not want to.

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:11.879
<v Speaker 3>Wear this in public. Shit really is doubling down.

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to wear it in public, let alone

0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:15.640
<v Speaker 1>in front of a crowd of people that I know

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 1>at a wedding. I had suggested early on that if

0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:20.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm paying for it, could I please buy a nice

0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:22.560
<v Speaker 1>dress in the color that they would like, one that

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:25.480
<v Speaker 1>I would be likely to wear again. They insisted, however,

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:28.160
<v Speaker 1>that they want everyone to be uniform. Do I have

0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 1>to just suck it up as a day is not

0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 1>about me? Also, this is a destination wedding, so I'm

0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:36.640
<v Speaker 1>already spending thousands on travel and accommodation to attend.

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:41.160
<v Speaker 2>That to me is shit behavior from your friend when

0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:43.200
<v Speaker 2>you get married, And I know that this is going

0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:45.120
<v Speaker 2>to trigger some people. I'm very, very sorry if this

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:49.040
<v Speaker 2>was how you navigated your wedding. But the most important

0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:51.719
<v Speaker 2>thing to me is that my friends feel comfortable. And

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 2>no one is the same body shape, no one is

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:57.080
<v Speaker 2>the same size. I would never want someone to be

0:34:57.080 --> 0:35:00.839
<v Speaker 2>standing next to me feeling uncomfortable, exposed as though they

0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 2>didn't you know, they weren't wearing something that even remotely

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:07.720
<v Speaker 2>complimented them, and I made them pay for it simply

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:12.400
<v Speaker 2>because my desire for uniformity outweighed their desire for confidence

0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:15.200
<v Speaker 2>and peace of mind. I think, firstly that for shitty

0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:17.600
<v Speaker 2>mentality that your friend had, so like, that's how I

0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:18.160
<v Speaker 2>feel about that.

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:19.759
<v Speaker 3>How do you navigate it now?

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:22.600
<v Speaker 2>I would be honest, I would say, like, I receive

0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:26.480
<v Speaker 2>the dress online, it really doesn't fit me properly, and

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:28.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I can wear this. And I know

0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 2>that you have an idea around what you want, but

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:33.920
<v Speaker 2>is there any chance that you would be okay with

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 2>me getting something goal or maybe there's a different fit

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:38.200
<v Speaker 2>from the same designer, Because like a lot of people

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:40.839
<v Speaker 2>these days, when you get a bridesmaid's dress, they will

0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 2>get it from the one place they shown a Joy

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:44.680
<v Speaker 2>for example, it's the perfect example of like a place

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:46.960
<v Speaker 2>to get a bridesmaid's dress from because they'll have the

0:35:47.000 --> 0:35:49.760
<v Speaker 2>same color, but then they'll have so many different shapes

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 2>and cuts so that anyone can choose a dress that

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 2>will fit their body shape rather than it just fitting

0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:56.040
<v Speaker 2>the theme of the wedding.

0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:56.680
<v Speaker 3>Do you know what I mean?

0:35:57.560 --> 0:36:00.160
<v Speaker 1>I completely agree. I think when I think, oh, of

0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:03.279
<v Speaker 1>my wedding, the first thing that I would think of

0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 1>is that they can pick what they want.

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:07.440
<v Speaker 3>Like even with my sister, I've already said to her,

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:08.080
<v Speaker 3>what color do you.

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:10.240
<v Speaker 1>Want to wear? Because she's my maid of honor totally,

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:13.640
<v Speaker 1>what dress length? How do you envision it? And she's like, well,

0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:15.200
<v Speaker 1>why don't you give me a guide of the color

0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:17.600
<v Speaker 1>thing you want? And I was like, I almost don't care.

0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm almost like, as long as you're happy.

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, usually, I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but I usually

0:36:22.360 --> 0:36:26.840
<v Speaker 2>think that the bride's made conversation around what everyone's wearing.

0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:29.400
<v Speaker 2>It usually happens as a group. It's usually not just

0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:32.000
<v Speaker 2>something that the bride dictates down and says, this is

0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:34.280
<v Speaker 2>what everyone is wearing. But usually you have a WhatsApp

0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:36.399
<v Speaker 2>group and everyone's kind of like in there and having

0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:37.759
<v Speaker 2>a chat, like, what do you think of this option?

0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 3>What do you think of this option? No, I think

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:41.680
<v Speaker 3>it's I think there's two sort of parties here.

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:44.240
<v Speaker 1>I think one's that where there's the more lax bride

0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:47.400
<v Speaker 1>that's working for her bridesmaids, and then there's the bride

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 1>that's like, knows what her wedding is to a tea,

0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:53.440
<v Speaker 1>she's probably had those dresses picked out for eternity. But

0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:56.759
<v Speaker 1>my question is I also agree. I think you're right back,

0:36:56.760 --> 0:36:59.239
<v Speaker 1>and you say I've never been more uncomfortable in my life. Like,

0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:01.799
<v Speaker 1>say what you say to us, but a bit more diplomatically,

0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Just say like, I am thoroughly uncomfortable. There is no

0:37:05.400 --> 0:37:06.920
<v Speaker 1>part of me that wants to wear this. Like, what

0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 1>are the options here? Do you think we could try?

0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Just ask her? My question, law is what happens then

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:15.000
<v Speaker 1>if the bride says no, can you pull out of

0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:15.720
<v Speaker 1>the bridle party?

0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:18.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, look, I have one other feeling before I get

0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:20.239
<v Speaker 2>to that part, because I think you can pull out

0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:21.959
<v Speaker 2>of the bridal party, but I do think it'll cause

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:24.719
<v Speaker 2>a rift, and I think it would be upsetting for everyone.

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:28.279
<v Speaker 2>I guess the other part of this is the expectation

0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:32.760
<v Speaker 2>that some brides have for their bridesmaids to self purchase

0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:35.000
<v Speaker 2>a dress that they're never gonna wear again. I think

0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 2>that that's an unreasonable request and we need to stop

0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 2>doing that.

0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:41.200
<v Speaker 1>That's super standard, though you do you think, no, I

0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:43.440
<v Speaker 1>know it is. That is how it is, and I

0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:46.880
<v Speaker 1>don't necessarily agree with it at all, But that's historically

0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:50.440
<v Speaker 1>that's what happens. The bride's maids get center dress. Sometimes

0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:53.600
<v Speaker 1>it's like half is compensated by the bride, but usually

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 1>it's like, hey, this will be the dress. If you

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 1>could purchase it, that would be amazing.

0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 3>Okay, That to me is absolutely insane.

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:03.800
<v Speaker 2>I think it is crazy to expect someone to pay

0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:06.279
<v Speaker 2>for a dress that you have picked out for them,

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:08.839
<v Speaker 2>that they're never ever ever going to wear again, and

0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:11.600
<v Speaker 2>they don't have any saying it whatsoever. I think if

0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:14.040
<v Speaker 2>that's the way it's going to be, then the expectations

0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:15.720
<v Speaker 2>should be on the bride to pay for the dress.

0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:16.320
<v Speaker 1>I agree.

0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:18.399
<v Speaker 2>I think if you give them the option, if you're like, hey,

0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:21.120
<v Speaker 2>here is a few different kinds of dresses, choose the

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.520
<v Speaker 2>one you like, then that's okay to kind of impart

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:25.920
<v Speaker 2>some of the payment or the whole payment. But if

0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:29.040
<v Speaker 2>you're saying to someone you have to wear this uniform

0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:31.879
<v Speaker 2>to my wedding and you hate it, but I don't care.

0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:33.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that that's a very nice way for

0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 3>friends to treat each other.

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:37.120
<v Speaker 4>I might be in a brisemeat a couple of times,

0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:39.760
<v Speaker 4>and every time I've paid for my dress and shoes,

0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:42.440
<v Speaker 4>and some of them, I've paid for my makeup and

0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:47.359
<v Speaker 4>my hair and jewelry and transport and accommodation. And it

0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:49.520
<v Speaker 4>can be really fucking expensive. And there was a time

0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 4>in my life where this was genuinely a really big pressure.

0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:56.080
<v Speaker 1>The makeup and hair is weird like that for me,

0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:58.440
<v Speaker 1>like come and behind my party, get ready with me,

0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:00.400
<v Speaker 1>but get your own hair and makeup. I think the

0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:04.400
<v Speaker 1>bride and the groom unless there's a really strong reason

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:06.200
<v Speaker 1>you can't but should be paying for dresses, Like if

0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:08.120
<v Speaker 1>you've asked somebody to come and they should be paying

0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:09.520
<v Speaker 1>for hair and makeup. Like if you've asked someone to

0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:11.920
<v Speaker 1>be part of your day and you've put these specifications on,

0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:14.359
<v Speaker 1>you can't then lump that someone someone.

0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:16.400
<v Speaker 4>I think my situation is the more common one, though

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:16.799
<v Speaker 4>it is.

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and I know that this comes from a

0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:21.319
<v Speaker 2>place of more financial privilege, Like I know that I'm

0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:23.960
<v Speaker 2>able to afford to pay for the dresses for my bridesmaids,

0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:26.439
<v Speaker 2>and I paid for them. But I guess my thing

0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:28.279
<v Speaker 2>is is if you can't afford to pay for them,

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:30.600
<v Speaker 2>or you haven't budgeted for it within your wedding, but

0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:33.279
<v Speaker 2>yet you have really strict and stringent ideas around what

0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:36.240
<v Speaker 2>that person has to wear, that to me seems unfair.

0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:38.319
<v Speaker 2>I think if you don't have the budget to help

0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:41.040
<v Speaker 2>accommodate your bridesmaids in any way, you can't have the

0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:42.799
<v Speaker 2>same level of expectations on them.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, don't have ten bridesmaids, Oh yeah.

0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Or it's an open conversation so that you're making sure

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:50.960
<v Speaker 2>that you're not putting your needs and wants as a

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<v Speaker 2>bride over the financial capabilities of your friends, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>just not being a good friend at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the day.

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<v Speaker 1>But not even over the financial capabilities over their comfort.

0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:03.240
<v Speaker 1>Like you are so uncomfortable that you are losing sleep

0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:05.480
<v Speaker 1>over this, Like you do not want to go and

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<v Speaker 1>stand there in front of people, and I can't imagine

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<v Speaker 1>what that feels like.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we need to normalize having conversations around weddings

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:17.320
<v Speaker 2>in a way that doesn't like stigmatize bridesmaids or groomsmen

0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:19.839
<v Speaker 2>as being bad friends if they're not able to bend

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<v Speaker 2>over backwards and cartwheel and spend the thousands of dollars

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:26.720
<v Speaker 2>that brides and groomsmen expect. I also think that maybe

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<v Speaker 2>as people who are having our weddings, as the person

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<v Speaker 2>who's you know, organizing the day, I understand that there's

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<v Speaker 2>so much pressure, but really thinking about what are the

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<v Speaker 2>financial implications that your wedding is having on the people

0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:42.000
<v Speaker 2>that you love most and deciding or speaking to them,

0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 2>being open with them, to make sure that your friends

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 2>are okay, because most people don't want to disappoint their

0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:47.640
<v Speaker 2>best friends.

0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:48.960
<v Speaker 3>They want to be included.

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<v Speaker 2>But not everyone can afford the things and the expectations

0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:53.080
<v Speaker 2>that are expecting of them. But I know we've gotten

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<v Speaker 2>into I know we've gotten into the money side of things,

0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 2>but when it comes to like not just money, like

0:40:57.719 --> 0:41:00.000
<v Speaker 2>also around their comfort. How do you feel do you

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:02.120
<v Speaker 2>do you feel good wearing that? Do you like wearing that?

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:04.200
<v Speaker 2>There has to be a limit to it. It may

0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:06.040
<v Speaker 2>not be the dress that's their favorite dress that they've

0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:09.120
<v Speaker 2>ever bought. Being your bridesmaid's dress, but there has to

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:10.719
<v Speaker 2>be some sort of conversation around it.

0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:12.400
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if we would just feel differently about it.

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, you can also loan dresses too, Guys like you

0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:17.440
<v Speaker 1>can go to dress higher places and loan a dress

0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:20.560
<v Speaker 1>and then give it back as well. That's like food

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<v Speaker 1>for thought.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you know what is one of the most common

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:25.640
<v Speaker 4>questions that we have in the Life un Cut discussion group.

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<v Speaker 4>It's from people who are bridesmaids who are like, I

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<v Speaker 4>have been instructed to wear this dress. I have a

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<v Speaker 4>really big bust and I need something that's going to

0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:37.359
<v Speaker 4>like cover it or support my boobs or basically it's

0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:40.719
<v Speaker 4>saying that the rest of the bridal party don't.

0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:42.640
<v Speaker 1>Have big boobs. Yeah I do.

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<v Speaker 4>This dress is not it's backless or you know that

0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:48.120
<v Speaker 4>kind of thing. It gets posted at least once a week.

0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:51.000
<v Speaker 2>That's so crazy to me. Honestly, I would love to know.

0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:52.719
<v Speaker 2>Maybe we should do a poll. Have you ever been

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<v Speaker 2>a bridesmaid and were you made to wear something that

0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:57.800
<v Speaker 2>you hate it? I would love to know how common

0:41:57.880 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 2>this issue is. But yeah, I think look, if I

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<v Speaker 2>was you, I would be having a conversation. I wouldn't

0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:06.799
<v Speaker 2>be accusatory. I wouldn't go in as hard maybe as

0:42:06.840 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 2>what you said, Britt, but I would definitely be saying

0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:09.120
<v Speaker 2>like I would.

0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:10.040
<v Speaker 3>I feel it's not hard.

0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:12.360
<v Speaker 1>I think you can go and say I'm really uncomfortable,

0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:14.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to wear this. There is nothing wrong

0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:16.600
<v Speaker 1>with saying to your friend. If you are good enough

0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:19.040
<v Speaker 1>friends to be in the bridal party, but you don't

0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:21.200
<v Speaker 1>feel like you can tell her how uncomfortable you are,

0:42:21.280 --> 0:42:24.160
<v Speaker 1>then that's not congruent. Yeah, it always.

0:42:23.920 --> 0:42:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Surprises me that this is something that people have to navigate,

0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:29.600
<v Speaker 2>and I just think as the person who is getting

0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:31.399
<v Speaker 2>married is the bride and groom, it's something that people

0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:33.640
<v Speaker 2>should be and need to be way more sensitive about.

0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I think we do and we will do like an

0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:38.719
<v Speaker 1>entire wedding kind of episode, whether that's a bonus or

0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:41.399
<v Speaker 1>something in the future, because I'm already getting so many

0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:44.920
<v Speaker 1>dms from people like this, like questions because maybe they

0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:46.880
<v Speaker 1>know I'm planning the wedding. I don't know, but I'm

0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:49.919
<v Speaker 1>I'm going through so many different wedding planning things as

0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:52.840
<v Speaker 1>well already. So I think we'll definitely like collate a

0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:55.200
<v Speaker 1>bunch of stuff and maybe we'll do just like a wedding.

0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:57.919
<v Speaker 2>Edition one hundred percent. I mean especially now, because that's

0:42:57.960 --> 0:42:59.560
<v Speaker 2>like you were in the wedding orbit.

0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:02.600
<v Speaker 3>Bring You're sucked in hard deep, it's happening.

0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Next question, my husband and I had a disagreement and

0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:09.640
<v Speaker 1>both genuinely could not work out who was in the wrong.

0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:13.320
<v Speaker 1>So reverting to the brains trust, Oh cute, that's us.

0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:14.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:17.600
<v Speaker 1>My husband works shift work so often has midweek days

0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:21.000
<v Speaker 1>off or finishes really early on week days that I'm working.

0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:24.319
<v Speaker 1>So sometimes, let's just say once a week, he likes

0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:26.239
<v Speaker 1>to go to the local pup by himself and have

0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:29.040
<v Speaker 1>a few beers until I finish work, so he's killing time.

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:31.840
<v Speaker 1>He usually comes home a little bit tipsy on these occasions.

0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:34.840
<v Speaker 1>I feel uncomfortable about him drinking by himself and coming

0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:38.160
<v Speaker 1>home tipsy after doing so. I don't have any issue

0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:40.200
<v Speaker 1>with him drinking with friends or if we have a

0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:43.560
<v Speaker 1>few drinks together. It's just the by himself aspect that

0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:46.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't like now. I think this stems from growing

0:43:46.480 --> 0:43:49.200
<v Speaker 1>up with parents who had issues with alcohol. He gets

0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:51.160
<v Speaker 1>upset by this and feels like I'm trying to control

0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:53.760
<v Speaker 1>him and how he spends his free time. He doesn't

0:43:53.760 --> 0:43:55.919
<v Speaker 1>think it's unreasonable to be doing this once a week.

0:43:56.000 --> 0:43:58.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't have an issue with him doing any activity

0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:01.319
<v Speaker 1>by himself that doesn't involve out, so I don't feel

0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:04.239
<v Speaker 1>like I'm being controlling. Who is in the wrong? Am

0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:07.759
<v Speaker 1>I being unreasonable? We both have had multiple convos about this,

0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:09.680
<v Speaker 1>and both are not sure if each of us is

0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:12.960
<v Speaker 1>in the wrong. For context, we are in our early thirties,

0:44:13.040 --> 0:44:15.399
<v Speaker 1>we have no kids, just living at home. The two

0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:18.120
<v Speaker 1>of us otherwise have an amazing relationship.

0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:21.040
<v Speaker 2>Genuinely, in answering this question, I feel like I'm in

0:44:21.040 --> 0:44:23.880
<v Speaker 2>two minds about it because my first thought is that

0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:26.759
<v Speaker 2>no one is actually in the wrong here, and drinking

0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:29.640
<v Speaker 2>isn't a problem until it's a problem, right, Like I mean,

0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:33.560
<v Speaker 2>it's really hard to identify when alcohol is a problem

0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 2>in someone's life. However, I understand why this is very

0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:40.200
<v Speaker 2>triggering for you, especially if you came from having parents

0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:43.480
<v Speaker 2>who are alcoholics. I can understand why that's something that's like, very,

0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:47.879
<v Speaker 2>very very upsetting. The frequency of it going and having

0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:50.480
<v Speaker 2>a few drinks after work once a week, for some

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:53.040
<v Speaker 2>people that's going to be a really high frequency, and

0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:54.600
<v Speaker 2>for other people they're going to think, oh, it's only

0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:56.800
<v Speaker 2>once a week, it's not a big deal. My question

0:44:56.840 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 2>to you is how much is he also drinking throughout

0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:01.919
<v Speaker 2>the week when he he is with friends? So does

0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:04.760
<v Speaker 2>he do one day solo by himself of an afternoon

0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:07.200
<v Speaker 2>of drinking, and then is he also drinking, you know,

0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:09.160
<v Speaker 2>most nights a week with you when you guys catch

0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:12.160
<v Speaker 2>up together, and then also with his friends. That is

0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:14.239
<v Speaker 2>when I would say, okay, look at it as a

0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:16.799
<v Speaker 2>frequency thing over time, rather than it being as an

0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:20.839
<v Speaker 2>isolated event. If the only time he drinks is when

0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:23.480
<v Speaker 2>he goes and has a few beers by himself after work,

0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:27.280
<v Speaker 2>that might be his way of unwinding, his way of decompressing.

0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:29.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure there's healthier ways to do it that.

0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:31.439
<v Speaker 2>If it's a once a week thing, you know, that's

0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:34.120
<v Speaker 2>not a to me like a big startling trigger. But

0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:36.799
<v Speaker 2>if he's doing that plus also all the rest of

0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:39.320
<v Speaker 2>the drinking throughout the week, and as a total actually

0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:41.839
<v Speaker 2>drinking is a pretty prolific thing that he does, then

0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:44.280
<v Speaker 2>I would say, yeah, that is part of a parcel

0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:47.200
<v Speaker 2>of a greater issue here, because it means that what

0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:50.520
<v Speaker 2>he's actually doing is constantly drinking as a way of

0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:51.160
<v Speaker 2>winding down.

0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:52.880
<v Speaker 3>Whether it's with friends or by himself.

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<v Speaker 1>I also don't believe that anyone is in the wrong here.

0:45:55.719 --> 0:45:57.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he's in the wrong by having a

0:45:57.320 --> 0:45:59.680
<v Speaker 1>few drinks on his own. And I am going to

0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:01.799
<v Speaker 1>tell you are not in the wrong because you have

0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:04.480
<v Speaker 1>feelings of being uncomfortable about that, Like, you can't be

0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:05.680
<v Speaker 1>wrong for having that feeling.

0:46:06.520 --> 0:46:08.600
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't sound like he drinks that much outside of it,

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:11.200
<v Speaker 3>because you've said he's amazing, there's no other problems. It's

0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:13.360
<v Speaker 3>not drinking in general. It's just this one time he

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:16.560
<v Speaker 3>goes by himself. That you have the problem drinking alone

0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:19.880
<v Speaker 3>in this capacity. I don't believe is because you have

0:46:19.920 --> 0:46:23.879
<v Speaker 3>a drinking problem. It truly sounds like any of course

0:46:23.880 --> 0:46:24.279
<v Speaker 3>it could be.

0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:27.560
<v Speaker 1>But she's said he doesn't really drink other like they

0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:31.360
<v Speaker 1>don't have any issue otherwise, which is what is clear. Obviously,

0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:33.319
<v Speaker 1>if there is a drinking problem outside of that, that's

0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:35.000
<v Speaker 1>a whole nother story. But that's not what she's letting

0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:38.120
<v Speaker 1>us believe. She's actually just said it's those few hours

0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:40.560
<v Speaker 1>once a week that he's waiting for me to finish work.

0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:43.520
<v Speaker 1>My understanding, my take of this is that he's literally

0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:46.560
<v Speaker 1>just feeling some time and I picture it in my

0:46:46.680 --> 0:46:49.319
<v Speaker 1>head like he's sitting at a bar having a beer

0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:51.440
<v Speaker 1>while he watches the footy on the screen or something

0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:53.399
<v Speaker 1>like that. Like I don't think he's going to sit

0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:55.440
<v Speaker 1>in a dark corner and skull a bottle of vodka

0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:59.920
<v Speaker 1>making assumptions here. That's the way some people unwind, and

0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:02.920
<v Speaker 1>and for some people that could lead into a drinking problem,

0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:05.279
<v Speaker 1>and for other people it's literally what it is. It's

0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:07.440
<v Speaker 1>just having a beer because you enjoy a beer. It's

0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:10.160
<v Speaker 1>how you unwind after work, and you might enjoy watching

0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:12.560
<v Speaker 1>the sport or whatever it is. So for me, I

0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:16.600
<v Speaker 1>think that that part isn't overly concerning, But that's because

0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:18.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't know anything else in this context. If he's

0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:21.440
<v Speaker 1>drinking outside of that and there are other issues, then

0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:23.480
<v Speaker 1>it is different. But if he's not like a sporty

0:47:23.520 --> 0:47:25.960
<v Speaker 1>guy or doesn't have hobbies, he doesn't like the gym,

0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:28.040
<v Speaker 1>if this is just his thing, this is his way

0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:30.200
<v Speaker 1>of unwinding, some people go for a run, right.

0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:32.239
<v Speaker 2>I know, But that's the problem, right because I guess

0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:34.440
<v Speaker 2>the thing is when it is someone's only way of

0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:36.960
<v Speaker 2>an outlet, when things get harder, when you've got kids,

0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:39.440
<v Speaker 2>when all of those other extra pressures, and that's like

0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:41.640
<v Speaker 2>your way to unwind is to have a few drinks

0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:44.680
<v Speaker 2>on your own without the other things in place.

0:47:44.880 --> 0:47:47.520
<v Speaker 1>It can be the thing that helps.

0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:49.880
<v Speaker 2>To create I mean, like statistically, I've just pulled up

0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:52.319
<v Speaker 2>some starts, and this is what the health organization says

0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:54.720
<v Speaker 2>about it. While drinking alone at home is not always

0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:58.400
<v Speaker 2>a problem, it can lead to alcoholism. Drinking alone clinically

0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:01.319
<v Speaker 2>described as alcohol used to sell. You should worry about

0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:04.480
<v Speaker 2>alcoholism developing if you find yourself over indulging, choosing to

0:48:04.560 --> 0:48:07.279
<v Speaker 2>drink over social events or obligations, or drinking to deal

0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:07.880
<v Speaker 2>with problems.

0:48:08.160 --> 0:48:11.279
<v Speaker 1>Obviously, Yeah, but I think about myself, I would have

0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:13.920
<v Speaker 1>a drink by myself. I live alone, Like that's not

0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:16.360
<v Speaker 1>a strange thing. And if he doesn't have a problem

0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:19.399
<v Speaker 1>and he's not coming home wasted, which is not you've

0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:22.720
<v Speaker 1>said that for me from the information I've been giving,

0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:26.239
<v Speaker 1>I think what you have done is the right thing.

0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:29.279
<v Speaker 1>Like you have expressed to him the way it makes

0:48:29.280 --> 0:48:32.120
<v Speaker 1>you feel, which is very valid from your history. But

0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:34.440
<v Speaker 1>I think you have to try and listen to whatever

0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:37.200
<v Speaker 1>he's saying and have an understanding and then make your decision.

0:48:37.440 --> 0:48:39.360
<v Speaker 3>I maybe feel a little bit differently to Brit.

0:48:39.440 --> 0:48:42.600
<v Speaker 2>I do think that it can definitely be the start

0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:45.560
<v Speaker 2>of a coping mechanism, or it can be something that

0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:48.279
<v Speaker 2>turns into something more problematic. Does it sound like it's

0:48:48.280 --> 0:48:51.280
<v Speaker 2>problematic right now? No, it doesn't sound like it's problematic

0:48:51.360 --> 0:48:53.399
<v Speaker 2>right now. But I do also think that you're looking

0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:55.560
<v Speaker 2>at this from like probably a more zoomed at lens

0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:58.320
<v Speaker 2>and a big picture. There are a lot of questions

0:48:58.360 --> 0:49:00.360
<v Speaker 2>to ask yourself. One is how much much is he

0:49:00.480 --> 0:49:03.040
<v Speaker 2>drinking during the week. That's a really really important question.

0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:06.120
<v Speaker 2>Why is it that he enjoys to go and drink

0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:09.800
<v Speaker 2>by himself? How much is he drinking by himself? Without

0:49:10.000 --> 0:49:12.319
<v Speaker 2>the answers to those questions, it's really hard to know

0:49:12.800 --> 0:49:15.960
<v Speaker 2>whether or not this is something that actually is a problem.

0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:19.280
<v Speaker 1>And I eat a drinking problem also, not that this matters,

0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:21.640
<v Speaker 1>but I'm just curious. And maybe this is the reason

0:49:21.640 --> 0:49:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I think it is normal because I grew up with

0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:26.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of my friends, a lot of family members

0:49:26.560 --> 0:49:30.640
<v Speaker 1>in the construction industry, like tradesman, and it's so normal

0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:32.319
<v Speaker 1>for a trade to knock off and have a beer

0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:34.480
<v Speaker 1>after work like that is and I'm not My dad

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<v Speaker 1>was never one of those. He never ever went to

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<v Speaker 1>the pub. He doesn't even really drink much. But I

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<v Speaker 1>just see it very differently. I think that lots of

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<v Speaker 1>people drink, and somebody enjoying a drink on their own

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<v Speaker 1>after work while they're waiting for you, when you've said

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<v Speaker 1>it's an amazing relationship, there is nothing else wrong with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Your only issue here is because you had an issue

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<v Speaker 1>with your parents. That's where I think this issue is

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<v Speaker 1>and why I don't think this is being over the top.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I do think that that is an issue

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<v Speaker 2>in that. I think if I said to Matt, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>if my parents are alcoholics, and I said to Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>this behavior is something that is triggering for me and

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<v Speaker 2>it worries me, and they said it's fine, there's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>wrong here, I would feel as though they weren't listening

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<v Speaker 2>to the reasons as to why something was upsetting to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh see, I disagree.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think if he's coming home and his behavior

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<v Speaker 2>is affected, like how much does it require him to

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<v Speaker 2>drink to come home quote unquote tipsy, And then when

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<v Speaker 2>he gets home tipsy, does he continue to drink or

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<v Speaker 2>does he stop there?

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<v Speaker 1>And then you guys go on to have a lovely night.

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<v Speaker 2>There are more questions here that need to be asked

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<v Speaker 2>as to how much it's affecting your relationship. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to disqualify the fat that you find being

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<v Speaker 2>around drinking or solo drinking or whatever it is triggering

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<v Speaker 2>because of your upbringing. I would too if I was

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<v Speaker 2>in that situation, and it would make me far more

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<v Speaker 2>hyper alert and hyper aware to the behaviors of my

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<v Speaker 2>partner that might indicate alcoholism.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that is it from us, guys. If you have questions,

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<v Speaker 1>please send him in to Life on Cut podcast just

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<v Speaker 1>the DMS. Funnily enough, I feel like we've said that

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<v Speaker 1>on every single episode for like three hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>episodes of Ask Guncut, But I received them all the

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<v Speaker 1>time to our website email address where people are like, Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know where to write this in and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, you can send it to our website.

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<v Speaker 1>You can, No, you can, But I thought we were

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<v Speaker 1>always hammering home the message. But maybe people check out

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<v Speaker 1>before we sign off. Don't check out, guys, don't wait

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<v Speaker 1>right to be and you need to hear the call

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<v Speaker 1>cry of Life on Cut.

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<v Speaker 3>You can send them into the website or email if

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<v Speaker 3>you like.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand some of the people might want to be anonymous,

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<v Speaker 1>like not even show their profile and that's why they email,

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<v Speaker 1>which is also totally fine.

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<v Speaker 3>And also your accenting unfiltered, its everything else that comes

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<v Speaker 3>along with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't forget. We have a YouTube now so you can

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<v Speaker 1>go and watch all of our big Meata episodes in

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<v Speaker 1>our interviews and then we put some ask guncut questions

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<v Speaker 1>up as well, and it's a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 3>And that is it from USK.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell your mum, tay, dad, te dog tee, friends and

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