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Speaker 3: Yeah, great questions.
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Speaker 2: Watson from Australian Survivor, who is the tenth person to
Speaker 2: be eliminated from that Network ten series. It may appear
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Speaker 2: first site chat coming up thanks to the team at
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Speaker 2: the Fallen Says competitors from Channel seven. But I guess
Speaker 2: I have been really lucky to get this chat with
Speaker 2: Ben today, and as you know, I love a Ben
Speaker 2: and Ben is here to discuss all the mess and
Speaker 2: mayhem from his time on Australian Survivor. The thirty three
Speaker 2: year old trading from Queensland will probably be remembered for
Speaker 2: getting into some hot water with the mate's blindside, but
Speaker 2: for a lot of fans, we will probably remember how
Speaker 2: hot he looks in a pair of speedos. Joining him
Speaker 2: on the show this year was his partner Shay, and
Speaker 2: the pair certainly used a lot of love and respect
Speaker 2: for each other, which was evident throughout the show. We
Speaker 2: will find out what the couple have said behind closed doors,
Speaker 2: how he feels about his game plan, whether he would
Speaker 2: ever return to Australian Survivor, and what he might have
Speaker 2: changed if he had his time again. There's plenty more
Speaker 2: coming up in the chat, and without further ado, let's
Speaker 2: welcome Australian Survivors twenty twenty two, Trady Eye Candy to
Speaker 2: TV reload.
Speaker 1: We're messing with.
Speaker 3: Mother Nature out there and you can't deal with that.
Speaker 4: Previously on Australian Survivor to.
Speaker 1: Run the numbers by me with Kroc. Hopefully at some
Speaker 1: stage in the future we can get Benny out, but.
Speaker 3: We're going to punch him on the chin when I
Speaker 3: see him next.
Speaker 1: The whole game revolved around fending.
Speaker 3: Then it's just silly to have that wall of testosterone and.
Speaker 4: Then becomes the tenth person voted out of blood versus water.
Speaker 1: There's no amount of kid cats out there that would
Speaker 1: have saved me from that.
Speaker 2: Hey mate, how are you.
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. Head still spinning from last night.
Speaker 1: I voiced a bit husky from yelling at the TV, so,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know I was there and it happened,
Speaker 1: but I was still it was like a footy game
Speaker 1: that you watch on replay, like, surely he can't score again.
Speaker 1: I was like, surely the breeze lostn't that bad, and
Speaker 1: surely it wasn't that close. And I was around my
Speaker 1: friend's house and I'm pretty sure that was staring at
Speaker 1: me like what are you doing. It's like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I couldn't handle any So we're messing with mother nature
Speaker 1: out there and you can't deal with that.
Speaker 2: You can't control the elements. But I should say to
Speaker 2: you straight off the bat, you know, congratulations on your
Speaker 2: time in Australian survivor what a ride. But you've been on,
Speaker 2: especially in the last week, it's been fantastic.
Speaker 3: I can wholeheardly say that first time in my life.
Speaker 3: I am. I'm really proud of myself of what I
Speaker 3: achieved out there.
Speaker 1: And you really got to see Benny play his game
Speaker 1: in the last couple of days, which I really would
Speaker 1: love to have seen emerge, especially for myself to go
Speaker 1: how far can I push this Australia as nice as
Speaker 1: us whole vibe? I really wanted to play that card
Speaker 1: a bit more. But look, so I have a godswin
Speaker 1: on my side that last night. But it happens.
Speaker 2: Look, I think sometimes we all get a little bit
Speaker 2: of Pete Evans in our face, and I think that
Speaker 2: happened to you a couple of times where I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I think we're getting that. You know, you've kind of
Speaker 2: cooked yourself.
Speaker 3: Look, yeah, it's that I'm doing. Okay, No, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I just don't know what to do a way to
Speaker 1: look at least.
Speaker 2: You're an amazing eye Candy. I'm just going to say
Speaker 2: that to your you know right now, because you know
Speaker 2: you're talking the chart there. You've one survivor in that department.
Speaker 2: But I have to ask you to over the whole experience.
Speaker 2: You know, what was the feeling watching it back leading
Speaker 2: up into this point At.
Speaker 1: The start, it was kind of like listening to that
Speaker 1: voicemail that you've given to somebody that you don't remember,
Speaker 1: and you go, I say that for and you see
Speaker 1: yourself on TV and I'm like, oh, surely they're not going.
Speaker 3: To put that in. And then they put that in.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you're an idiot.
Speaker 1: Like great, and then the speedos came out and I'm like, fantastic,
Speaker 1: here we are, this is me.
Speaker 3: Now you welcome everybody. And it was good.
Speaker 1: And then I could see myself changing the lack of
Speaker 1: food and getting a bit skinner in the face, and
Speaker 1: just my mentalities and my mannerisms of like, oh, you
Speaker 1: should have bit your tongue there then, but you really didn't.
Speaker 1: And I think back now, having a nice bed and
Speaker 1: some food. I'm like, I would have bit my tongue.
Speaker 1: But out there, yeah, forty seven degrees, you're literally getting
Speaker 1: beaten up by what he's read at Ralph Mark, Wales,
Speaker 1: and you just forget all that stuff and it's just
Speaker 1: whatever happens happened. You can see your foot, your next step,
Speaker 1: and you take it. Well.
Speaker 2: You know, that's what the producers are doing to you, right,
Speaker 2: They're starving you, they're not letting you sleep, and that's
Speaker 2: so you are going to say and do things that
Speaker 2: you probably wouldn't say and do in the real world.
Speaker 1: God yeah, I mean there are some things out there
Speaker 1: that I'm so happy and so thankful for the producers
Speaker 1: not putting them in because I would have come off
Speaker 1: just like the complete dummy of not having a clue
Speaker 1: because I say something that ian that didn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: But it's hard, I mean, tough is an understated I.
Speaker 2: Think that the producers actually do a very fair job
Speaker 2: these days with reality television. You know, you often hear
Speaker 2: people coming out and saying, oh, they played me unfairly
Speaker 2: or the editing. But I actually found, more often than
Speaker 2: not talking to people coming off these shows that they
Speaker 2: feel more saved than they do feel exposed, and I
Speaker 2: think that that's saying something for I guess endemol Shine Australia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I am over the moon with my edit.
Speaker 1: I really I'm a very humble, nice guy who very
Speaker 1: vulnerable and very emotional and they definitely showed that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I cried a lot more than what I did in
Speaker 1: the show that they didn't show. But I'm happy and
Speaker 1: it makes me proud to watch that. I'll gladly watch
Speaker 1: these episodes back and really sort of be grateful for
Speaker 1: that opportunity. And I mean I could have gotten voted
Speaker 1: out for being an absolute asshole, but I got voted
Speaker 1: out because I was a threat, and I got voted
Speaker 1: out one point five times because an attempted blindsided and
Speaker 1: it took a fire challenge to get rid of me.
Speaker 1: And I think, like, shit, yeah, you did well. You
Speaker 1: did well, Bernie.
Speaker 2: I'm still reeling from that fire Challenge. I just have
Speaker 2: to say that to you right now. I mean, it
Speaker 2: really was anyone's game. I don't know if that's how
Speaker 2: it played out at the time, but my stress levels
Speaker 2: as a viewer was fever pitch. I mean, my string burnt,
Speaker 2: I think before the real strings burnt.
Speaker 1: Look out there, I wasn't paying attention to what mel
Speaker 1: was doing. I would glance up at Shay and I
Speaker 1: would get the little thumbs up in the small I
Speaker 1: were good, I could keep going. But I actually physically
Speaker 1: had to move my fire with my hands because of
Speaker 1: that breeze. I thought it was close out there, but
Speaker 1: swatching it back, I was like, it was legitimately exactly
Speaker 1: how it played out. It was five more seconds than
Speaker 1: I would have had it, because again, it's the fire gods,
Speaker 1: it's survivor gods. You can't really predict that. And I
Speaker 1: did chuck a little tantrum. I through my kindling and
Speaker 1: I had one moment. But then I look at Shay
Speaker 1: and I get to say goodbye to my girl. I
Speaker 1: I was happy at that point. Was at least she
Speaker 1: doesn't get the shock of being on the mats in
Speaker 1: the morning and not knowing who's gone.
Speaker 2: The affinity that you both have was palpable, you know,
Speaker 2: watching the show, you could see that you have such
Speaker 2: a great relationship and disappointing in some ways that we
Speaker 2: didn't get to see you, you know, properly playing together
Speaker 2: as the teams do. Merge, which we'll see coming up
Speaker 2: on Sunday. But you know, we often hear about the
Speaker 2: conditions and about how horrendous it is. But I think
Speaker 2: in some ways you seem to adapt better to this
Speaker 2: whole experience than say, other people in the past. What
Speaker 2: sort of training did you do to prepare yourself for
Speaker 2: a strained survivor being.
Speaker 1: An Aussie trady. You're out in the elements every day
Speaker 1: of the week and you're doing some grunt work that
Speaker 1: you are getting paid for, but it's not your your dream,
Speaker 1: I guess. And then we shane over a competitive in
Speaker 1: CrossFit and fitness and just making sure our feet are
Speaker 1: on the ground and our heads in the right space.
Speaker 1: So adapting was something I needed to go in there
Speaker 1: and do. I didn't want to play a character. I
Speaker 1: played wholeheartedly myself, the vulnerable, cheeky, the sassive, aggressive Benny
Speaker 1: that you guys saw, and I went out there to
Speaker 1: learn to adapt. And it was hot. I didn't wing
Speaker 1: about being hot. We were lack of flacking food, and
Speaker 1: everybody spoke about lacking food.
Speaker 3: But when you're six foot four angry.
Speaker 1: Man, it's a big hungry man walking into drive and
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm hungry.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, you're an idiot, don't say that.
Speaker 2: It's a lot to deal with. I kept thinking throughout
Speaker 2: this whole experience, how have you and Shae gone discuss
Speaker 2: seeing your game plan? You know, I can imagine with
Speaker 2: my partner it be such a slippery slope. You don't
Speaker 2: want to say, well, could have done that differently? And
Speaker 2: did it become a little heated?
Speaker 1: Look, the only thing that we sort of we laugh
Speaker 1: about now is when Shaye played her idol for no
Speaker 1: apparent reason. I laugh about that and I actually walked
Speaker 1: up to it with an empty coffee cup and I
Speaker 1: just gave it to her afterwards, just what's this? And
Speaker 1: I just want to give it to you for no reason?
Speaker 1: And I walked off. And that's our bans, and we're
Speaker 1: so supportive of one another. It's like actually phenomenal, and
Speaker 1: like it's kind of ikey cute, how cute we are?
Speaker 1: And we say that as well. And we see something
Speaker 1: on the TV, like she wasn't with me those last
Speaker 1: three days, which was a bit crappy for me, but
Speaker 1: she's in Sydney visiting some friends and family, and we
Speaker 1: were talking like NonStop. We were facetimed how are you
Speaker 1: you good? Like, oh my god, I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 1: And it's just having your person to be able to
Speaker 1: have your back, even though she's like okay, like she
Speaker 1: said it nice is run the numbers by me with Croc.
Speaker 1: Oh God, here we go.
Speaker 2: I just think that she is the ultimate strategist. She
Speaker 2: managed to make sure she was in Sydney and not
Speaker 2: bear with you in Queensland while you watch the show
Speaker 2: because she's like, he's gonna have a meltdown. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to be here for that.
Speaker 1: She's good. She's good. So I'm not sure if it
Speaker 1: was planned or not, but she she says she feels bad,
Speaker 1: but it's okay. What it is.
Speaker 2: I have to ask you who was your favorite player
Speaker 2: in previous seasons, because you know, we all prepare to
Speaker 2: be on shows like this and we must go back
Speaker 2: and watch and sort of take a few tips. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just wondered whose game plan you'd previously respected.
Speaker 1: Look, I do love Jericho's game plan in regards to
Speaker 1: just being that had to blend in and I wanted four.
Speaker 1: It's hard to blend in, but I know how to
Speaker 1: do that and to adapt as well.
Speaker 3: But then Simon from last season it was and funny
Speaker 3: enough like.
Speaker 1: We got voted out at the same time, but just
Speaker 1: to have that you have a voice, but step back,
Speaker 1: and I believe like Simon had that voice and he
Speaker 1: sort of stood in the background as long as he could.
Speaker 1: And that's sort of what I went in there to
Speaker 1: be shadowed by somebody. But as we know, I removed
Speaker 1: that big shadow, which was Kroc. So it's a bit
Speaker 1: of a tough one to chew.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: The rollercoaster ride for you over the last few episodes
Speaker 2: proved that you know, you were not going down without
Speaker 2: a fight. What was the beginning do you think of
Speaker 2: your fall from grace? You know, in those early Dancy
Speaker 2: seemed more structured, So you know, what do you think
Speaker 2: that fall from Grace was?
Speaker 1: My fall from Grace would be my tail feathers being
Speaker 1: up and out and about. As soon as we won,
Speaker 1: I was celebrating I was a team player. I put
Speaker 1: all my emotion into it again, holding those logs up
Speaker 1: just for my team, because I needed not to prove
Speaker 1: that I'm a team player, but just to show to
Speaker 1: myself like You've got this, like you've got the ball,
Speaker 1: run with it and when we won, we won. I won.
Speaker 1: It was fantastic, It was a great feeling. But when
Speaker 1: we lost, I was beating myself up and I was
Speaker 1: really emotional about that, and it cottoned onto a few
Speaker 1: people that I might just be a bit too emotional
Speaker 1: for this game. And once I sort of learned that
Speaker 1: they wanted to blind side and get me out, I
Speaker 1: cut that emotion. And if part of the game, you
Speaker 1: got to leave the emotion aside, and you've got to
Speaker 1: really push through and pull your socks up, tuck your shirt,
Speaker 1: and then get ready for business.
Speaker 2: Just remember, in the Surviving universe, you could always be
Speaker 2: brought back, So you know, I don't know what that
Speaker 2: theme would look like, Heroes versus villains or something. In
Speaker 2: the Tribal Council, you made some really dramatic moves, which
Speaker 2: made for some fantastic television.
Speaker 4: I know full well that the votes are definitely going
Speaker 4: to go towards me. I've got Khn and Chrissy voting
Speaker 4: my name, But I have come up with a plan
Speaker 4: the flash Cahn's idle tonight.
Speaker 1: And get rid of Chrissy.
Speaker 2: I want to know, was that structure or was that
Speaker 2: scramble that was structure.
Speaker 1: I've told Cahn from day one that I wanted to
Speaker 1: work with him. I needed to work with him, him
Speaker 1: and his idol thing that's been in his back pocket
Speaker 1: for how many days? And I said some things, even
Speaker 1: on camera and off camera, that I just needed to
Speaker 1: work with him. I didn't care about anybody else. I
Speaker 1: knew Kahn was a threat from the day one, and
Speaker 1: I wanted just to reassure him that I had his back.
Speaker 1: But then Chrissy said, though her nice things, which is fantastic,
Speaker 1: and they obviously had a connection a lot longer than
Speaker 1: we did, and the tables didn't turn in my favor.
Speaker 1: But Khan and I chat now and he said, it
Speaker 1: would have been fantastic if we work together. I've got
Speaker 1: a completely different story. But that was definitely strategy, and
Speaker 1: that was me coming out and playing my game. That
Speaker 1: was playing my Merge game, I believe, because if I
Speaker 1: made Merge, you would have seen a lot more of
Speaker 1: that than rather than the nice, easy going, happy to win,
Speaker 1: happy to hold the drive up. If it was individual,
Speaker 1: it would be either me holding Shay up, pushing her
Speaker 1: in front, or it would be just me barging everybody
Speaker 1: out of the way.
Speaker 2: Well, I kind of feel like you might have answered
Speaker 2: the next question for me, but because I was going
Speaker 2: to ask you if there's anything that you could change,
Speaker 2: what would that be? And would that have been maybe
Speaker 2: trying to start an alliance with Khan a little bit earlier,
Speaker 2: that would.
Speaker 1: Be one of them. Yeah, definitely trying to sort of
Speaker 1: really talk rather than sit back and say, oh hit
Speaker 1: just assuming Chris he's with Sam and things like that.
Speaker 1: It would have been ideal for me to run in
Speaker 1: horns blazing and say can't I need to work with you?
Speaker 1: End of story.
Speaker 3: But also lowering those tail feathers a fair bit, I think,
Speaker 3: and biting my tongue about how hungry I was, because
Speaker 3: there's no amount of kit kats out there that would
Speaker 3: have saved me from that.
Speaker 1: So I was pretty traumatized by how hungry I was.
Speaker 1: I should have just bit my tongue and go from there.
Speaker 1: So hopefully a fingers crossed survivor gods want me back,
Speaker 1: and that's the game I'll play.
Speaker 2: We can only live and learn and the opportunities to
Speaker 2: have people be allowed to have a second chance. You know,
Speaker 2: we got to see that last night with a fire challenge.
Speaker 2: Do you think that those opportunities to have a second
Speaker 2: chance of popping up at the right time.
Speaker 1: I'd like to think they were because the twists that
Speaker 1: kept me in the game kept me in the game,
Speaker 1: and I like to think that gods are on my side.
Speaker 1: But again, a fire challenge just wasn't my forte and
Speaker 1: the little breeze which haunts me, but it's mother nature.
Speaker 1: We can't control that.
Speaker 2: In this day and age, is it too dangerous to
Speaker 2: align yourself with a male strong alliance, because I'm sure
Speaker 2: you've seen, you know, people commenting about that on social media,
Speaker 2: And the realities of the situation might have just been
Speaker 2: that these boys found their best chance to survive on
Speaker 2: the show to stick together. But is it a smart move.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's neither smart or dumb. I just
Speaker 1: think it's actually no, I'll take that back. I think
Speaker 1: it's silly because the boys being boys, they don't realize
Speaker 1: how much of a threat Shay and caj are in
Speaker 1: that blood two point zero. I mean, my first move
Speaker 1: personally would have been to drop the head off. It
Speaker 1: would have been Mark try to take him out and again,
Speaker 1: and that would have been.
Speaker 3: A hard, hard pill to swallow. But to do that
Speaker 3: and break that up.
Speaker 1: I feel it's just silly to have that wall of
Speaker 1: testosterone because okay, you've got four guys, five guys playing
Speaker 1: with each other. They got their backs, everyone's got each
Speaker 1: other's backs. Sorry, But also that's a massive target. That's
Speaker 1: five guys is a massive target for somebody else to go, hey,
Speaker 1: this looks shit, let's start picking this up. I mean
Speaker 1: I got called out because I was saying I'm too hungry.
Speaker 1: Imagine being a wall of testosterone and then go we
Speaker 1: don't like that. All of those are going to get gone.
Speaker 1: We're going to only wait and see what happens next.
Speaker 1: But in my eyes, I feel I would have had
Speaker 1: to bust that wall down.
Speaker 2: In the Tribal Council last night, there was a lot
Speaker 2: of discussion about the intense bonds that seems to be
Speaker 2: so prevalent in this series. Why do you think that
Speaker 2: As Survivor has progressed here in Australia Australia, I should say,
Speaker 2: with my Australian accent, Yeah, why do you think it's
Speaker 2: progressed to that point?
Speaker 3: I mean, you're spending twenty four to seven with these people.
Speaker 1: I like to call some of them some of my
Speaker 1: forever friends, and we had now our late night chats
Speaker 1: and things off camera. It's just in my post today
Speaker 1: was I loved hearing about the memories lived and the
Speaker 1: world's traveled, their lives traveled, and for that to connect
Speaker 1: you with somebody and know that you're still playing a game,
Speaker 1: it's something else, and it's you know so much about
Speaker 1: this person that you feel connected to them forever. Like
Speaker 1: Jesse for example, I've regardless of the blind side, I've
Speaker 1: got so much time for that kid. If he ever
Speaker 1: calls me up anytime of day, I'll gladly have a
Speaker 1: need to listen. Sam bid Croc. I mean, he's probably
Speaker 1: going to punch him on the chin when I see
Speaker 1: him next. But I haven't seen him.
Speaker 2: Have you not seen him place to place? Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, not yet. Actually that's a lie. I've seen him
Speaker 1: since we've been out, but not after last. It will
Speaker 1: be fine, I'm sure. So I might have to womb
Speaker 1: with a couple of years or something, but it will
Speaker 1: be fine.
Speaker 2: TikTok. That experience for us, well, you're the Survivor fans
Speaker 2: out there. We want to watch. We just want to
Speaker 2: fly on the wall.
Speaker 1: It might be brutal, but I'll see I can do Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I was going to say, the Twins appear to
Speaker 2: be headlining some social media frustration from the fans. What
Speaker 2: is the consensus from all of you castaways behind closed doors?
Speaker 2: Do you think the girls are being unfairly portrayed?
Speaker 1: In my personal opinion, I just feel they're not being
Speaker 1: portrayed enough. They haven't got the airtime that they deserve.
Speaker 1: I feel it should be equal. I'm not saying everybody's
Speaker 1: gotten more, or somebody's got more, somebody's got less. But
Speaker 1: the twins are some fantastic human beings. They are so smart, mish.
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time with Michelle, and she
Speaker 1: is the funniest, the smartest person one of a dear
Speaker 1: dear friends of mine. We told each other things that
Speaker 1: it's just you've blurt out to some of your friends
Speaker 1: into a three years old and it's hard to sort
Speaker 1: of watch or not watch them glow. It's like they
Speaker 1: came up against one another in challenges and it was crazy.
Speaker 1: JLP was getting their names wrong because they were just
Speaker 1: in a big kerfuffle of the whirlwind And it's annoying,
Speaker 1: I guess, but that's the art of editing. We can't
Speaker 1: really well.
Speaker 2: There's so many people playing the game, you know, so
Speaker 2: it's hard to work out all the time who's going
Speaker 2: to get the screen time because a storyline has to evolve.
Speaker 2: For me personally, it just makes me think they're going
Speaker 2: to go really far in the game because I feel
Speaker 2: like the producers are keeping that storyline in the back pocket,
Speaker 2: and I'm hoping that that's what the case is. To
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I think that that's Maybe I'm
Speaker 2: a little naive, but I think I'm not ready to
Speaker 2: crucify the editors in the production company yet.
Speaker 1: I think that's a great point to have in regards
Speaker 1: to they go far, and they are the twins in
Speaker 1: the shadows, so to speak, but they play a big
Speaker 1: role off the screen.
Speaker 3: They're fantastic people.
Speaker 1: So I can't talk highly enough of anybody out there.
Speaker 2: I guess the best question to ask you at this
Speaker 2: point is who is your prediction to win? At this point?
Speaker 1: Do you have to ask my girl? I mean, all
Speaker 1: bias aside, so if either have her in a tight
Speaker 1: little package, she's fear. She's a warrior. She's a fit,
Speaker 1: strong and so socially capable to destroy this game. I
Speaker 1: cannot wait to see what happens next. I can't wait
Speaker 1: for the world to see my little spud Shine.
Speaker 2: And this is a national podcast means that you know
Speaker 2: you're playing the game finally, much better than you did
Speaker 2: on Survivor because you know that she's going to listen
Speaker 2: to it in Sydney. If you said anything else, I
Speaker 2: think you'd be in trouble.
Speaker 1: No, she knows how much love I have for her,
Speaker 1: and you did Shaye all the way. But if I
Speaker 1: had a second pick, I'd say JORDI very big underdog. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a very very odd pick, but from day one I
Speaker 1: kind of picked him. I mean, it might be the
Speaker 1: overalls of the mustache, but I heard there's something about
Speaker 1: that kid that is going to go good.
Speaker 2: I'll go and check sports Bet after we have this conversation.
Speaker 2: My last question to ask you is something that ask
Speaker 2: everybody who joins the podcast, and that's something that might
Speaker 2: have happened from behind the scenes that we as an
Speaker 2: audience didn't get to see, but we might appreciate from
Speaker 2: hearing that happened behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: It's like a personal note. It's more so the personal
Speaker 1: growth that happens out there. You have all this time
Speaker 1: that is not on camera. I caught those three fish,
Speaker 1: but it took me four and a half hours sitting
Speaker 1: out there thinking about nothing but my own thoughts. You
Speaker 1: grow as a person, you quite easily. I could see
Speaker 1: myself and feel myself changing and thinking how can I
Speaker 1: bring a better bent back to the table when I
Speaker 1: get home. And that's where my mind wandered, not on Instagram,
Speaker 1: not on anything. It was sitting out in the desert
Speaker 1: in a river bed, throwing whatever bait you could find
Speaker 1: at fish, trying to catch them. And that's what you
Speaker 1: think about. You think, how can I grow as a person?
Speaker 1: And the personal growth is something that each and every
Speaker 1: one of us has taken from that, and that's what
Speaker 1: again a snowball effect onto those relationships everybody off camera.
Speaker 2: Well, I can feel it, buddy, I can feel it.
Speaker 2: I can hear it in your voice. And I think
Speaker 2: that's such an amazing thing to walk out of this
Speaker 2: experience with. And I just want to say thanks again
Speaker 2: for taking part of the competition and playing as hard
Speaker 2: as you did to the show and it was fantastic
Speaker 2: to watch.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. I absolutely appreciate it. I appreciate
Speaker 1: it all my fans out there, I guess you call them.
Speaker 3: That, and your mum and dad, your mom and daddy, Shay,
Speaker 3: that's it.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm absolutely certain that there's a massive
Speaker 2: alliance of fans out there for you, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: But I will say that this isn't the last you're
Speaker 1: going to see if Bennie Watson. I've got some things
Speaker 1: in the works in my photography career and I'm going
Speaker 1: to be on the radar for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I can't wait.
Speaker 3: I just can't wait to see what happens things well, mate,
Speaker 3: I'm in your audience.
Speaker 2: Then, thanks for joining TV REALO today.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for having me. Really appreciate it.