WEBVTT - DEBRIEF AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR WITH 'BENNY!' 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.720 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:03.640 TV Reload the podcast last week. 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:07.800 Don't welcome back guys to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:10.480 Norris and on this podcast I go behind the scenes 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:12.360 with the biggest players in television. 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:13.440 Yeah, great questions. 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:14.560 The show's about the game. 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.520 There's a lot of great television out there in Australia. 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.040 But I've also got to go behind the scenes with writers. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:22.239 The truth is, when I started writing it, it wasn't 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:25.119 had nothing to do with the news and casting agents. 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:27.440 They know from a casting point of view what they need. 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:31.000 And editors because that's what we do as editors where storytellers. 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.360 Not to forget some incredible executive producers who are making 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:36.479 some of the best TV in Australia. 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:38.879 I have been on the program since the beginning and 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:40.839 it's kind of in my DNA. 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.320 So thanks for joining me each week and I hope 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.599 the podcast continues to give you real insight into the 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:50.080 magic of television today. On the podcast, I have Ben 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:53.519 Watson from Australian Survivor, who is the tenth person to 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:57.320 be eliminated from that Network ten series. It may appear 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:01.040 to everyone that I have become an exclusive Australian Or podcast. 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.560 But I promise you I have a great merit at 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:05.760 first site chat coming up thanks to the team at 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:07.959 Channel nine, and I have a chat with one of 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:11.479 the Fallen Says competitors from Channel seven. But I guess 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:13.800 I have been really lucky to get this chat with 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:16.080 Ben today, and as you know, I love a Ben 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:18.960 and Ben is here to discuss all the mess and 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.600 mayhem from his time on Australian Survivor. The thirty three 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:26.280 year old trading from Queensland will probably be remembered for 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.600 getting into some hot water with the mate's blindside, but 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:31.800 for a lot of fans, we will probably remember how 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:35.039 hot he looks in a pair of speedos. Joining him 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:37.080 on the show this year was his partner Shay, and 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:40.160 the pair certainly used a lot of love and respect 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:42.800 for each other, which was evident throughout the show. We 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.880 will find out what the couple have said behind closed doors, 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:49.320 how he feels about his game plan, whether he would 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:52.320 ever return to Australian Survivor, and what he might have 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.760 changed if he had his time again. There's plenty more 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.480 coming up in the chat, and without further ado, let's 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:02.440 welcome Australian Survivors twenty twenty two, Trady Eye Candy to 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:03.400 TV reload. 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:05.280 We're messing with. 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:07.200 Mother Nature out there and you can't deal with that. 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.960 Previously on Australian Survivor to. 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:14.320 Run the numbers by me with Kroc. Hopefully at some 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.000 stage in the future we can get Benny out, but. 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:18.440 We're going to punch him on the chin when I 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:19.040 see him next. 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.440 The whole game revolved around fending. 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:25.400 Then it's just silly to have that wall of testosterone and. 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:29.080 Then becomes the tenth person voted out of blood versus water. 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:31.800 There's no amount of kid cats out there that would 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:32.560 have saved me from that. 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:34.120 Hey mate, how are you. 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:37.280 I'm good. I'm good. Head still spinning from last night. 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:39.880 I voiced a bit husky from yelling at the TV, so, 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:42.800 I mean, I know I was there and it happened, 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.160 but I was still it was like a footy game 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.200 that you watch on replay, like, surely he can't score again. 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:50.679 I was like, surely the breeze lostn't that bad, and 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.240 surely it wasn't that close. And I was around my 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.079 friend's house and I'm pretty sure that was staring at 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.840 me like what are you doing. It's like, I don't know. 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:02.520 I couldn't handle any So we're messing with mother nature 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:03.840 out there and you can't deal with that. 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.040 You can't control the elements. But I should say to 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.359 you straight off the bat, you know, congratulations on your 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:12.280 time in Australian survivor what a ride. But you've been on, 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:16.240 especially in the last week, it's been fantastic. 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:18.960 I can wholeheardly say that first time in my life. 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:22.280 I am. I'm really proud of myself of what I 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:23.200 achieved out there. 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.760 And you really got to see Benny play his game 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.160 in the last couple of days, which I really would 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:32.440 love to have seen emerge, especially for myself to go 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.240 how far can I push this Australia as nice as 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:39.040 us whole vibe? I really wanted to play that card 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.360 a bit more. But look, so I have a godswin 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.360 on my side that last night. But it happens. 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:46.200 Look, I think sometimes we all get a little bit 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.240 of Pete Evans in our face, and I think that 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:50.640 happened to you a couple of times where I was like, oh, 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:52.520 I think we're getting that. You know, you've kind of 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:53.160 cooked yourself. 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:57.680 Look, yeah, it's that I'm doing. Okay, No, I'm not. 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:00.600 I just don't know what to do a way to 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:01.440 look at least. 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:03.400 You're an amazing eye Candy. I'm just going to say 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:05.560 that to your you know right now, because you know 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:09.560 you're talking the chart there. You've one survivor in that department. 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.520 But I have to ask you to over the whole experience. 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.760 You know, what was the feeling watching it back leading 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:17.120 up into this point At. 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:18.880 The start, it was kind of like listening to that 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.800 voicemail that you've given to somebody that you don't remember, 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:24.839 and you go, I say that for and you see 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.760 yourself on TV and I'm like, oh, surely they're not going. 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:29.200 To put that in. And then they put that in. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:30.480 I'm like, you're an idiot. 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:34.360 Like great, and then the speedos came out and I'm like, fantastic, 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:35.600 here we are, this is me. 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.800 Now you welcome everybody. And it was good. 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.839 And then I could see myself changing the lack of 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.280 food and getting a bit skinner in the face, and 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.479 just my mentalities and my mannerisms of like, oh, you 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.479 should have bit your tongue there then, but you really didn't. 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.120 And I think back now, having a nice bed and 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.359 some food. I'm like, I would have bit my tongue. 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:58.479 But out there, yeah, forty seven degrees, you're literally getting 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:01.280 beaten up by what he's read at Ralph Mark, Wales, 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.800 and you just forget all that stuff and it's just 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.479 whatever happens happened. You can see your foot, your next step, 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:08.360 and you take it. Well. 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:10.280 You know, that's what the producers are doing to you, right, 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:12.600 They're starving you, they're not letting you sleep, and that's 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:14.719 so you are going to say and do things that 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:16.880 you probably wouldn't say and do in the real world. 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:19.240 God yeah, I mean there are some things out there 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.080 that I'm so happy and so thankful for the producers 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:24.400 not putting them in because I would have come off 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:28.440 just like the complete dummy of not having a clue 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.559 because I say something that ian that didn't make any sense. 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.839 But it's hard, I mean, tough is an understated I. 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.320 Think that the producers actually do a very fair job 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.800 these days with reality television. You know, you often hear 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.960 people coming out and saying, oh, they played me unfairly 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.800 or the editing. But I actually found, more often than 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.320 not talking to people coming off these shows that they 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:52.720 feel more saved than they do feel exposed, and I 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:56.160 think that that's saying something for I guess endemol Shine Australia. 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:59.400 Yeah, I mean I am over the moon with my edit. 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.800 I really I'm a very humble, nice guy who very 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:05.800 vulnerable and very emotional and they definitely showed that. I mean, 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.000 I cried a lot more than what I did in 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:11.120 the show that they didn't show. But I'm happy and 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.839 it makes me proud to watch that. I'll gladly watch 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:17.359 these episodes back and really sort of be grateful for 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.039 that opportunity. And I mean I could have gotten voted 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:22.360 out for being an absolute asshole, but I got voted 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:25.080 out because I was a threat, and I got voted 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.360 out one point five times because an attempted blindsided and 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:30.120 it took a fire challenge to get rid of me. 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.039 And I think, like, shit, yeah, you did well. You 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:33.800 did well, Bernie. 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.279 I'm still reeling from that fire Challenge. I just have 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:38.080 to say that to you right now. I mean, it 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.600 really was anyone's game. I don't know if that's how 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.800 it played out at the time, but my stress levels 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:47.440 as a viewer was fever pitch. I mean, my string burnt, 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.120 I think before the real strings burnt. 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:55.200 Look out there, I wasn't paying attention to what mel 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:57.880 was doing. I would glance up at Shay and I 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:00.640 would get the little thumbs up in the small I 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.359 were good, I could keep going. But I actually physically 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.760 had to move my fire with my hands because of 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.880 that breeze. I thought it was close out there, but 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:11.880 swatching it back, I was like, it was legitimately exactly 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.840 how it played out. It was five more seconds than 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:19.280 I would have had it, because again, it's the fire gods, 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.000 it's survivor gods. You can't really predict that. And I 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.440 did chuck a little tantrum. I through my kindling and 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.120 I had one moment. But then I look at Shay 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.400 and I get to say goodbye to my girl. I 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.880 I was happy at that point. Was at least she 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:35.560 doesn't get the shock of being on the mats in 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:37.000 the morning and not knowing who's gone. 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.200 The affinity that you both have was palpable, you know, 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:43.440 watching the show, you could see that you have such 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.320 a great relationship and disappointing in some ways that we 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.800 didn't get to see you, you know, properly playing together 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.200 as the teams do. Merge, which we'll see coming up 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.400 on Sunday. But you know, we often hear about the 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.360 conditions and about how horrendous it is. But I think 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:58.440 in some ways you seem to adapt better to this 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.800 whole experience than say, other people in the past. What 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.560 sort of training did you do to prepare yourself for 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:06.160 a strained survivor being. 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:09.120 An Aussie trady. You're out in the elements every day 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:11.960 of the week and you're doing some grunt work that 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:15.520 you are getting paid for, but it's not your your dream, 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.560 I guess. And then we shane over a competitive in 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.400 CrossFit and fitness and just making sure our feet are 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:23.400 on the ground and our heads in the right space. 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.880 So adapting was something I needed to go in there 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:27.840 and do. I didn't want to play a character. I 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:33.400 played wholeheartedly myself, the vulnerable, cheeky, the sassive, aggressive Benny 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.079 that you guys saw, and I went out there to 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.480 learn to adapt. And it was hot. I didn't wing 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:42.800 about being hot. We were lack of flacking food, and 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.440 everybody spoke about lacking food. 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:47.760 But when you're six foot four angry. 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:51.320 Man, it's a big hungry man walking into drive and 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:52.160 I'm like I'm hungry. 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:54.240 I'm like, oh, you're an idiot, don't say that. 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:57.240 It's a lot to deal with. I kept thinking throughout 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.960 this whole experience, how have you and Shae gone discuss 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.679 seeing your game plan? You know, I can imagine with 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.280 my partner it be such a slippery slope. You don't 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.360 want to say, well, could have done that differently? And 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:09.640 did it become a little heated? 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.720 Look, the only thing that we sort of we laugh 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:15.640 about now is when Shaye played her idol for no 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:20.440 apparent reason. I laugh about that and I actually walked 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:22.480 up to it with an empty coffee cup and I 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:24.440 just gave it to her afterwards, just what's this? And 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.240 I just want to give it to you for no reason? 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:28.840 And I walked off. And that's our bans, and we're 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:32.120 so supportive of one another. It's like actually phenomenal, and 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.640 like it's kind of ikey cute, how cute we are? 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.640 And we say that as well. And we see something 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:39.600 on the TV, like she wasn't with me those last 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.480 three days, which was a bit crappy for me, but 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.880 she's in Sydney visiting some friends and family, and we 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:49.240 were talking like NonStop. We were facetimed how are you 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:51.120 you good? Like, oh my god, I'm so proud of you. 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:54.560 And it's just having your person to be able to 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.040 have your back, even though she's like okay, like she 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.800 said it nice is run the numbers by me with Croc. 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:01.120 Oh God, here we go. 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:04.600 I just think that she is the ultimate strategist. She 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:07.200 managed to make sure she was in Sydney and not 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:09.400 bear with you in Queensland while you watch the show 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:11.640 because she's like, he's gonna have a meltdown. I'm not 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:12.400 going to be here for that. 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.640 She's good. She's good. So I'm not sure if it 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.200 was planned or not, but she she says she feels bad, 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.240 but it's okay. What it is. 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.679 I have to ask you who was your favorite player 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:27.080 in previous seasons, because you know, we all prepare to 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.760 be on shows like this and we must go back 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:33.040 and watch and sort of take a few tips. Yeah, 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.560 I just wondered whose game plan you'd previously respected. 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:39.280 Look, I do love Jericho's game plan in regards to 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:44.120 just being that had to blend in and I wanted four. 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:45.800 It's hard to blend in, but I know how to 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:47.800 do that and to adapt as well. 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.640 But then Simon from last season it was and funny 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:51.199 enough like. 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:55.000 We got voted out at the same time, but just 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:57.880 to have that you have a voice, but step back, 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.680 and I believe like Simon had that voice and he 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:03.640 sort of stood in the background as long as he could. 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:05.199 And that's sort of what I went in there to 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:08.720 be shadowed by somebody. But as we know, I removed 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.360 that big shadow, which was Kroc. So it's a bit 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:12.400 of a tough one to chew. 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:13.240 Well. 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.880 The rollercoaster ride for you over the last few episodes 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.520 proved that you know, you were not going down without 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.720 a fight. What was the beginning do you think of 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.640 your fall from grace? You know, in those early Dancy 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.640 seemed more structured, So you know, what do you think 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:28.720 that fall from Grace was? 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.480 My fall from Grace would be my tail feathers being 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:34.480 up and out and about. As soon as we won, 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.320 I was celebrating I was a team player. I put 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:40.000 all my emotion into it again, holding those logs up 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.240 just for my team, because I needed not to prove 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:45.080 that I'm a team player, but just to show to 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.520 myself like You've got this, like you've got the ball, 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:51.200 run with it and when we won, we won. I won. 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:53.440 It was fantastic, It was a great feeling. But when 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.280 we lost, I was beating myself up and I was 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:59.160 really emotional about that, and it cottoned onto a few 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:02.000 people that I might just be a bit too emotional 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.320 for this game. And once I sort of learned that 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.240 they wanted to blind side and get me out, I 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.599 cut that emotion. And if part of the game, you 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:11.240 got to leave the emotion aside, and you've got to 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:13.520 really push through and pull your socks up, tuck your shirt, 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:14.640 and then get ready for business. 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:17.760 Just remember, in the Surviving universe, you could always be 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:20.280 brought back, So you know, I don't know what that 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:27.560 theme would look like, Heroes versus villains or something. In 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:31.160 the Tribal Council, you made some really dramatic moves, which 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.559 made for some fantastic television. 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.440 I know full well that the votes are definitely going 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.559 to go towards me. I've got Khn and Chrissy voting 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.840 my name, But I have come up with a plan 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:46.679 the flash Cahn's idle tonight. 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:49.439 And get rid of Chrissy. 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.360 I want to know, was that structure or was that 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:57.040 scramble that was structure. 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:59.240 I've told Cahn from day one that I wanted to 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.800 work with him. I needed to work with him, him 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:05.160 and his idol thing that's been in his back pocket 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:08.079 for how many days? And I said some things, even 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.920 on camera and off camera, that I just needed to 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:12.959 work with him. I didn't care about anybody else. I 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.480 knew Kahn was a threat from the day one, and 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.120 I wanted just to reassure him that I had his back. 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:21.720 But then Chrissy said, though her nice things, which is fantastic, 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:23.920 and they obviously had a connection a lot longer than 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.120 we did, and the tables didn't turn in my favor. 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.520 But Khan and I chat now and he said, it 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:30.720 would have been fantastic if we work together. I've got 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:34.600 a completely different story. But that was definitely strategy, and 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.760 that was me coming out and playing my game. That 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.599 was playing my Merge game, I believe, because if I 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:42.920 made Merge, you would have seen a lot more of 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:46.839 that than rather than the nice, easy going, happy to win, 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.599 happy to hold the drive up. If it was individual, 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:52.839 it would be either me holding Shay up, pushing her 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.680 in front, or it would be just me barging everybody 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:56.400 out of the way. 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.040 Well, I kind of feel like you might have answered 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.200 the next question for me, but because I was going 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:03.160 to ask you if there's anything that you could change, 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.240 what would that be? And would that have been maybe 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:09.240 trying to start an alliance with Khan a little bit earlier, 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:10.000 that would. 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.600 Be one of them. Yeah, definitely trying to sort of 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.719 really talk rather than sit back and say, oh hit 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:19.200 just assuming Chris he's with Sam and things like that. 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:21.600 It would have been ideal for me to run in 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.320 horns blazing and say can't I need to work with you? 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:25.200 End of story. 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:29.680 But also lowering those tail feathers a fair bit, I think, 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.560 and biting my tongue about how hungry I was, because 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:34.840 there's no amount of kit kats out there that would 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:35.680 have saved me from that. 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.960 So I was pretty traumatized by how hungry I was. 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.760 I should have just bit my tongue and go from there. 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:45.320 So hopefully a fingers crossed survivor gods want me back, 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.320 and that's the game I'll play. 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.600 We can only live and learn and the opportunities to 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:53.600 have people be allowed to have a second chance. You know, 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.680 we got to see that last night with a fire challenge. 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:58.440 Do you think that those opportunities to have a second 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:00.000 chance of popping up at the right time. 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:02.560 I'd like to think they were because the twists that 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:04.640 kept me in the game kept me in the game, 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:09.000 and I like to think that gods are on my side. 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:12.080 But again, a fire challenge just wasn't my forte and 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:17.720 the little breeze which haunts me, but it's mother nature. 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:18.880 We can't control that. 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.480 In this day and age, is it too dangerous to 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.960 align yourself with a male strong alliance, because I'm sure 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:27.040 you've seen, you know, people commenting about that on social media, 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.480 And the realities of the situation might have just been 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:34.160 that these boys found their best chance to survive on 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:37.000 the show to stick together. But is it a smart move. 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.680 I don't think it's neither smart or dumb. I just 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:44.080 think it's actually no, I'll take that back. I think 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:48.560 it's silly because the boys being boys, they don't realize 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.800 how much of a threat Shay and caj are in 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.320 that blood two point zero. I mean, my first move 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.000 personally would have been to drop the head off. It 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.960 would have been Mark try to take him out and again, 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:00.680 and that would have been. 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:03.920 A hard, hard pill to swallow. But to do that 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:04.720 and break that up. 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.520 I feel it's just silly to have that wall of 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:12.080 testosterone because okay, you've got four guys, five guys playing 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:15.120 with each other. They got their backs, everyone's got each 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.240 other's backs. Sorry, But also that's a massive target. That's 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.960 five guys is a massive target for somebody else to go, hey, 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:25.400 this looks shit, let's start picking this up. I mean 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.479 I got called out because I was saying I'm too hungry. 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.280 Imagine being a wall of testosterone and then go we 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:33.840 don't like that. All of those are going to get gone. 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:35.880 We're going to only wait and see what happens next. 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.360 But in my eyes, I feel I would have had 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:39.280 to bust that wall down. 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:41.840 In the Tribal Council last night, there was a lot 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.520 of discussion about the intense bonds that seems to be 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.600 so prevalent in this series. Why do you think that 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:51.920 As Survivor has progressed here in Australia Australia, I should say, 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.600 with my Australian accent, Yeah, why do you think it's 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:55.680 progressed to that point? 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:58.640 I mean, you're spending twenty four to seven with these people. 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:00.720 I like to call some of them some of my 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.600 forever friends, and we had now our late night chats 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.800 and things off camera. It's just in my post today 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:10.480 was I loved hearing about the memories lived and the 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:14.160 world's traveled, their lives traveled, and for that to connect 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:16.800 you with somebody and know that you're still playing a game, 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:19.600 it's something else, and it's you know so much about 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.679 this person that you feel connected to them forever. Like 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.720 Jesse for example, I've regardless of the blind side, I've 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:27.480 got so much time for that kid. If he ever 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.000 calls me up anytime of day, I'll gladly have a 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.480 need to listen. Sam bid Croc. I mean, he's probably 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:33.920 going to punch him on the chin when I see 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.320 him next. But I haven't seen him. 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:37.880 Have you not seen him place to place? Yeah? 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:41.080 No, not yet. Actually that's a lie. I've seen him 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:45.880 since we've been out, but not after last. It will 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:49.520 be fine, I'm sure. So I might have to womb 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:51.280 with a couple of years or something, but it will 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:51.720 be fine. 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.600 TikTok. That experience for us, well, you're the Survivor fans 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:56.560 out there. We want to watch. We just want to 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:57.400 fly on the wall. 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:01.960 It might be brutal, but I'll see I can do Yeah. 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:03.520 So I was going to say, the Twins appear to 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:07.399