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Speaker 1: me on the show. Good morning to your chief Minister.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Kadian to her listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Chief Minister, have you been briefed on this situation

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Speaker 1: You will have a profound effect. You've said just then

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Speaker 2: Of that, is there? When they're in admitted.

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister. We're getting smashed with messages. There's one from

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Speaker 3: No, we're not considering a machete ban. And I think

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Speaker 3: you know, no one will be having knives and forks

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Speaker 2: Eating no with a spoon.

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Speaker 3: It's just you know, where do you take this? People

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Speaker 3: we won't be punishing innocent people because of the behavior

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Speaker 2: All right, Scott.

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Speaker 1: In anuler of message last week, he said, Katie, that

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Speaker 2: That one from Scott in anuler.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great, Scott, And again I don't have the exact

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Speaker 3: fact check that number. But there is a sizable number

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Speaker 1: Okay, Warrick and Catherine's called about the problem drunks. He

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Speaker 2: bloody agree, that's the trouble. So one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: That's part of a big push I've been doing since

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Speaker 1: We've just had an update, so the Liquor Record is

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Speaker 2: The third of June. Thanks, just let us know.

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Speaker 1: I know your press for time. I've still got a

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Speaker 2: Order to General.

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Speaker 1: Is the government going to accept that referral? So?

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Speaker 3: The Public Accounts Committee is a bipartisan committee of the Parliament,

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Speaker 2: So I imagine that will all.

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Speaker 1: But so you don't have to accept that referral or

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Speaker 1: Do you think that the Attorney General should just make

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Speaker 3: Well, look again that's a matter for her. It's not

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, you know, I think it's very obvious

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Speaker 3: I think absolutely, Katie, And ultimately it is unprofessional gutter

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Speaker 1: All right, there's plenty of other messages coming through. Pete's

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Speaker 2: Look, it is something we have looked at.

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Speaker 1: All right, Chief Finister, Another one here, Emilio and Rapidcreig

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Speaker 1: hi Ktie. This footage at the nightcliff units next to

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Speaker 1: This would not happen in another country. He reckons that

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Speaker 3: Yes, so our review into public housing and how we're

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Speaker 2: You know, they're well known.

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Speaker 3: There's some behind us here Katie at at Sin City

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Speaker 2: And we're very, very.

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Speaker 3: making sure that we're doing all of that other work,

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Speaker 3: alcohol policing, you know, economy is out in the bush,

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Speaker 3: all of that bigger.

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Speaker 1: Stuff, Chief Minister. Just finally this morning, I want to

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Speaker 1: ask you about this situation with voluntary euthanasia. There was

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Speaker 1: an independent review into this last year. Why is it

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Speaker 1: now being referred to a committee?

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Speaker 2: So I think there's some confusion around this.

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Speaker 3: So the previous Labor government didn't do anything for eight

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Speaker 1: Didn't though when the federal government, like we had to

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Speaker 1: actually have that federal step had that's true off as.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's true.

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Speaker 3: But they could have done all the consultation, they could

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Speaker 3: have drafted a bill like there's plenty they could have

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Speaker 3: done so, and they didn't.

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Speaker 2: So then they report was dropped.

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Speaker 3: I think it was June July, right before the elections

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Speaker 3: that Labour could say, oh, we can't do anything, there's

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Speaker 3: an election. We've now picked that up by month nine.

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Speaker 3: Now it's absolutely not a priority of our government. I've

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Speaker 3: been very cleary because we got elected to reduce crime.

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Speaker 1: Did you did There's no doubt about that. But you know,

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Speaker 1: this is a situation. This is something that every day

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Speaker 1: when I come in, people of contact showed me about it,

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Speaker 1: and you know, so I understand that people feel really differently.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's views might be really different when it comes to

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Speaker 1: voluntary assisted dying. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: voluntary is the word that needs to be looked into.

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Speaker 1: This is not something that we're forcing upon people. You know,

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Speaker 1: I know when I watched my dad die, he wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have chosen to go down this path, but it should

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Speaker 1: have been his choice.

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Speaker 3: So what I was gonna say, Katie is we were

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Speaker 3: very clear that this was not a priority for us.

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Speaker 3: We did not take it to the election. No one

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Speaker 3: had any expectation that it would be something we dealt

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Speaker 3: with urgently. My point is that already in nine months

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Speaker 3: we've been able to get through substantial economic and law

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Speaker 3: and order reform that we can now look at this issue,

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Speaker 3: which is something that was not you know, it's not

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Speaker 3: in our We're dealing with a crisis response as a

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Speaker 3: new government. So we've brought ed forward and sent it

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Speaker 3: to a bipartisan committee to do the work that the

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Speaker 3: previous report didn't quite get to so that we can

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Speaker 3: have a fulsome proper conversation with people right across the

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Speaker 3: territory about what this would look like, what the no

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Speaker 3: go zones are, how this impacts particularly people living in

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Speaker 3: the bush because the previous consultation was very town focused.

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Speaker 3: And once that's done, and this is only going to

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Speaker 3: take until September, this is not you know, a year's.

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Speaker 2: I get that.

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Speaker 1: But if you've got a family member that's in palliative

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Speaker 1: care at the moment, that is going through the heartbreak,

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Speaker 1: you know, the heartbreaking situation that you go through, and

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Speaker 1: we know our palliative care teams do an incredible job.

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Speaker 2: But if you've got.

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Speaker 1: Somebody that is lying in a bit at the moment

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Speaker 1: who doesn't have that choice, you can understand why it

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Speaker 1: is absolutely something that they want you to look at urgently.

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Speaker 2: That's right, and it just can't be done urgently. This

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Speaker 2: this is about. It's a very difficult issue.

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Speaker 3: You cannot just whip up legislation overnight and create this framework.

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Speaker 1: So how quickly do you reckon this is going to

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Speaker 1: be in the Parliament And it's either are you expecting

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Speaker 1: it to be a conscience vote or what are you're

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Speaker 1: expecting this to look.

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Speaker 3: Like so it will certainly be a conscience vote. The

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Speaker 3: CLP have said that for our members, Labor have said

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Speaker 3: that for their members, and so what this opportunity does

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Speaker 3: is allow every MLA to go out to their community

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Speaker 3: and understand what their community wants, because a conscience vote

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Speaker 3: is not a vote of the member of Parliament, it's

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Speaker 3: a vote of the community. The report would be done

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Speaker 3: in September if they believe we should proceed. It will

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Speaker 3: have drafting instructions for Parliamentary Council, which means because Parliamentary

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Speaker 3: Council can't start drafting unless they have drafting instructions, so

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Speaker 3: that will already be done by September and then really

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Speaker 3: it's just it depends on how long these things take

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Speaker 3: to draft.

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Speaker 2: It could be months.

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Speaker 1: All right, Chief Minister, we are gonna have to leave

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Speaker 1: it there. Thank you was always for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you and take care everyone,