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Speaker 1: is time for the week that was. And joining us

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Speaker 1: in the studio this morning, we've got the Opposition leader Leafanocchiaro,

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Speaker 1: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Happy Friday.

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Speaker 1: Always glad when it's Friday. Matt Cunningham from Sky News,

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Speaker 1: good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: And we've got Keysier Purick, the member for Goida, the

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Speaker 1: Independence member for Goida. Good morning to you. With a

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Speaker 1: very special mask on there, bather looker fish. I'm clean though,

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Speaker 4: Be out and about was made in the Rule area.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Rule people everyone.

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Speaker 1: And Natasha Philes, the Health Minister, Good morning to you.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Will fee Well.

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Speaker 1: There is so much to cover off on I feel

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Speaker 1: like I say that every single week, but gee, this

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Speaker 1: know the countdown to the vaccine mandate is well and

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Speaker 1: truly on, and we've learned well this morning that those

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Speaker 1: territory tourism vouchers as well. They are the latest announcement

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Speaker 6: So government, across our grants and the incentives we provide,

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Speaker 5: Sent an email saying would you like a voucher?

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Speaker 6: You can be successful if you provide us your vaccination details.

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Speaker 6: Once they provide that, they'll be issued that weightlisted voucher.

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Speaker 5: It'll all be done through the Department of Tourism, so.

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Speaker 6: We're not having an impact on those rtos and the

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Speaker 5: It's from the point now.

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Speaker 1: I guess it is just one of many things that

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Speaker 1: changes in this space. As I said, the vaccine mandate

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Speaker 1: obviously kicks in. I believe it's at midnight tonight.

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Speaker 5: Is that correct, correct, Katie? From midnight tonight.

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Speaker 1: I know that there are a lot of businesses who

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Speaker 1: Plenty of people questioning what's going to be the impact

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Speaker 2: I definitely don't think it's a whole lot of noise.

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Speaker 7: Pay Katie, I'm not sure I believe the figure from

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Speaker 7: But you know, it's I struggled to believe lots of

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Speaker 7: But we know that they're struggling, the government struggling in

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Speaker 4: So who are tradees?

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Speaker 7: And that's really going to dent into our construction industry

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Speaker 7: But the other ramification this is going to have is

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Speaker 4: More work for the business people.

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Speaker 7: And what annoys mean annoys a lot of people is

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Speaker 7: Michael Gunner has made business and industry again the gatekeeper

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Speaker 4: And I just think that's wrong.

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon those young people who you're talking about

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Speaker 7: They're disengaged, and they're also don't like being told what

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Speaker 7: that is wrong, He says, he's going to look after

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Speaker 4: Plenty of warning. Well that might be all very well,

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Speaker 1: I mean the difficulty is, as well, come tomorrow morning,

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Speaker 6: So, Katie, we've always had an educative approach, so it

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Speaker 5: But if people are blatantly and we've seen this.

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Speaker 2: But who's going to be enforcing it? Are you going?

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Speaker 8: I mean, we potentially have a situation where there will

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Speaker 8: That's just a reality of life. And so we already

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Speaker 8: a day and twenty five thousand dollars a day if

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Speaker 6: Enforcement of the mandate. Our police throughout the pandemic have responded.

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Speaker 6: They have supported to keep territory and safe. Let's remember

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Speaker 6: what this mandatory vaccine is about. It's about stopping the

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Speaker 5: Look at the other jurisdictions.

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Speaker 6: So we know that people you know don't like governments

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Speaker 6: So my understanding is that the rate is over ninety

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Speaker 3: If it's ninety percent, well, ten percent would be two

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Speaker 2: You know, your mom and dad.

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Speaker 8: Business can't just all of a sudden triplicate their HR

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Speaker 2: So the fact that the government have tripled the HR.

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Speaker 8: dry is a disgrace. They don't know the numbers, Katie.

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Speaker 1: One question that we do continuously get us throughout the week,

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Speaker 6: But Katie, when the virus comes into our community and

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Speaker 6: we have a lockout situation, someone that he is vaccinated

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Speaker 6: that's a public health measure, but they can go about

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Speaker 1: These are some of the other kinds of questions we're getting.

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Speaker 1: We've just had a call come through on the phone.

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Speaker 1: He's a contractor. If he tells a client that he's

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Speaker 5: No, So it's a Chow direction.

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Speaker 6: You must be vaccinated if you fall into those three

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Speaker 8: I think the fact that that person has asked a

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Speaker 8: I think even within the public service they're interpreting it differently.

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Speaker 6: So, Katie, if people are blatantly not biting by the

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Speaker 6: But if people are blatantly refusing to behave then of

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Speaker 8: And if a business has an employee who comes and

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Speaker 6: So if someone is blatantly abusing the chow direction, then

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Speaker 1: Well, look, one of the other areas that there's been

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Speaker 1: a puff of our well, yeah, over the vaccine, over

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Speaker 4: The whole vowels.

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Speaker 1: I think you mean just blow a valve over those

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Speaker 4: This goes to the heart of the problem again.

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Speaker 7: Of the poor leadership by Michael Gunner. I mean the

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Speaker 7: they're not forwarding the data and they're not doing this

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Speaker 7: I mean, we all know John Patterson, hard working fellow,

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Speaker 5: Transparency.

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Speaker 3: I do think though, because I've tried to get this

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Speaker 3: I think it's terrible that that data has not been available.

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Speaker 3: They have the data that the data should be made available.

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Speaker 3: We've got the data for all the anti.

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Speaker 3: We've got it. It's the Northern Territory government that doesn't

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Speaker 1: Correctly that it is then being passed on to the

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Speaker 6: So we've been working with the Aboriginal medical organizations so

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Speaker 5: But we'll keep working with the Aboriginal medical organizations.

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Speaker 6: And I think territories should be reassured that some of

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Speaker 3: There was one thing that kind of got missed this

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Speaker 3: I mean, today we've come out and we've got the

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Speaker 1: that is we get a lot of that on the

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Speaker 1: phone lines, people going, We'll hang on a second if

442
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Speaker 1: you have to. Obviously, if there's some of us who

443
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Speaker 1: are choosing not to get vaccinated, we're going to lose

444
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Speaker 1: our jobs. Well, why shouldn't there be further punishment for

445
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Speaker 1: everybody who's choosing to not be not be vaccinated?

446
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Speaker 4: Where's the consistency?

447
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Speaker 7: If you want to get a tourism voucher, you've got

448
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Speaker 7: to demonstrate that you've been fully vaccinated.

449
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Speaker 1: But and for a school voucher, back to school voucher

450
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Speaker 1: or something.

451
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Speaker 4: Yeah, vouchers, that's I don't worry about it.

452
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Speaker 7: So come on, where's your consistency coming from? God, it's

453
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Speaker 7: going to have to be mixed messages.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's got to be.

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Speaker 1: We are going to have to, unfortunately, take a very

456
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Speaker 1: short break. You are listening to mix one. Oh four

457
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Speaker 1: point nine is three sixty. It is the week that was, Well,

458
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Speaker 1: it is the week that was. And in the studio

459
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Speaker 1: with us this morning, Lea for Matt Cunningham, Kesey Epiric

460
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Speaker 1: and Natasha Files. Now, obviously, we learned on Thursday night

461
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Speaker 1: last week that we'd be going into our first ever

462
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Speaker 1: lockout slash lockdown. For those who weren't vaccinated and that lockout, well,

463
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Speaker 1: I guess you'd say people became quite angry as the

464
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Speaker 1: week progressed and we learned that it was a twenty

465
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Speaker 1: one year old woman who'd come to the Northern Territory

466
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Speaker 1: from cans as the latest source of those cases in

467
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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory. Now she was case three, which was

468
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Speaker 1: reported over the weekend, of course, and had actually spent

469
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Speaker 1: time in Melbourne, putting Darwin into that lockout and forcing

470
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Speaker 1: Catherine into a lockdown. We spoke to case number four

471
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Speaker 1: on the show a little bit earlier in the week.

472
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Speaker 1: So he's a gentleman who lived in the house with

473
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Speaker 1: the young fella from Cathra, and he'd actually spoken to

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Speaker 1: us about the impact he actually has he's double vaccinated,

475
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Speaker 1: but the impact on his health in terms of having

476
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Speaker 1: COVID had said that he'd been quite unwell, but also

477
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Speaker 1: spoke about the impact on his business in the sense

478
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Speaker 1: that it had sent his whole business no one was

479
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Speaker 1: able to go to work, all of it. I believe

480
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Speaker 1: it was an earth moving equipment or earth moving business.

481
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Speaker 1: He was not able to obviously operate that business. So

482
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Speaker 1: the impact then on business is huge.

483
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Speaker 7: Well, Katie from the the woman who didn't tell the

484
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Speaker 7: truth when she came into the Northern Territory and we

485
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Speaker 7: visited the Nunama Pub and also the Hump to Do

486
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Speaker 7: public Welblne Cup day and there were lots of business

487
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Speaker 7: kind of people there because I know them, and there

488
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Speaker 7: was a contractor all the brand that excuses people. He

489
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Speaker 7: had some people there. The Jenny's Fish and Chip Shop

490
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Speaker 7: from Hump to Do, they had some people there.

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Speaker 4: And because of.

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Speaker 7: The woman going there and the fact that that was

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Speaker 7: then considered close, they had to shut their fish and

494
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Speaker 7: chip shop for a couple of days. But they're open

495
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Speaker 7: now for of course it's all cleared. But there were

496
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Speaker 7: other small business, rural people there and the impact just

497
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Speaker 7: had that trickle trickle effit.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 7: It's fine for you know, someone like me and the

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Speaker 7: friends I was with there because you know, we're in

501
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Speaker 7: different kind of jobs, not business as such, but had

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Speaker 7: a huge impact even a couple of days in a

503
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Speaker 7: small business like a fish and chip shop, which is

504
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Speaker 7: just cash flow, cash flow, cash flow. I think they

505
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Speaker 7: employ about four people that fish and chip shop, and

506
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Speaker 7: it was just devastating for some people and also for

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Speaker 7: you know, I know you interviewed Tony Innis as the pub,

508
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Speaker 7: the Nunama Pub, and just the impact upon him and

509
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Speaker 7: the fact that you know, the Chief Minister again didn't

510
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Speaker 7: tell the truth in regards to the numbers at that establishment.

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Speaker 7: But you know, and he fessed up and said, yes,

512
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Speaker 7: you know he could call diligence.

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Speaker 1: He did.

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Speaker 7: He did it, and that's the kind of guy is.

515
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Speaker 7: But the fact is he stated that he was short

516
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Speaker 7: stuff because of the virus and because it also sorts

517
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Speaker 7: of problems like I.

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Speaker 1: Understand that obviously businesses need to be vigilant in terms

519
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Speaker 1: of making sure that people are checking in, but at

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Speaker 1: what point do we also take our own checking out.

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Speaker 8: Don't be lucky lumber everything on business, which is what

522
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Speaker 8: government does it and they were doing that before COVID.

523
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Speaker 8: Lumbering all sorts of things on business businesses by.

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Speaker 4: The chief ministers. It's just outrageous.

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Speaker 1: But the thing that struck me is that, you know,

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Speaker 1: there was that naming obviously of the Nuna Mar tavern

527
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Speaker 1: in that press conference. Now I'm not saying there should

528
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Speaker 1: be a pile on on this twenty one year old

529
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Speaker 1: woman in terms of you know, I'm naming and shaming her,

530
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Speaker 1: but shouldn't like, if we're going to be cross about anything,

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Speaker 1: it's the fact that someone's crossed the border into the

532
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Speaker 1: Northern Territory when they shouldn't have and put us into

533
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Speaker 1: this situation. Now, I suppose I would be asking the question,

534
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Speaker 1: do we need to make those punishments or the fines

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Speaker 1: for people who do that more?

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Speaker 7: I don't know, Katie, I do and I'll be writing

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Speaker 7: to the Attorney General in that regard.

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 7: We have given the pandemic we're in, given the impact

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Speaker 7: it will have into the Northern Territory if it gets

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Speaker 7: into our communities in the bush areas, and when someone

542
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Speaker 7: deliberately comes in and lies on their entry forams, for

543
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Speaker 7: whatever reason, then they should suffer the consequences. Life is

544
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Speaker 7: all about consequences. You make your choice in life and

545
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Speaker 7: you live with the consequence.

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Speaker 2: Unless you're a youth offender.

547
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Speaker 4: Unless you're youth offender. And they just go out the

548
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Speaker 4: room door.

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Speaker 7: So she might be remorseful and she's apology as I

550
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Speaker 7: understand all that sort of stuff, after the fact, after

551
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Speaker 7: the fact, and the fact that she got caught. Everyone's

552
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Speaker 7: remorseful when they've been caught doing something wrong, and good

553
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Speaker 7: on her that she's apologized and all that sort of stuff,

554
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Speaker 7: But she's cost a lot of money and a lot

555
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Speaker 7: of heartache to a lot of people. So I do

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Speaker 7: think the penalty should be harsh. Okay, five thousand dollars.

557
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Speaker 4: Whoo, there's about what is it, two.

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Speaker 7: Point six minute that hasn't been paid from people who's

559
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Speaker 7: down to Howard Springs. So what's to say she doesn't

560
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Speaker 7: live here, she'll just get the fine, cop it on

561
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Speaker 7: the chin, nikoff back over the boarder and not paid.

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Speaker 3: Well, I go the other way, and I think we

563
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Speaker 3: need to very quickly get to the point where we

564
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Speaker 3: don't have the entry forms and we don't have the

565
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Speaker 3: fines at all because the system. You can already see

566
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Speaker 3: how the system's going to break down, right, and how

567
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Speaker 3: we can't keep our borders closed. So this woman went

568
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Speaker 3: from Melbourne where she spent four days. She can go

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Speaker 3: from Melbourne to South Australia, which she did. She can

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Speaker 3: go she can fly from Adelaide to Cans which she did,

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Speaker 3: and then she can fly from Cans to Darwin. And

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Speaker 3: the only thing that is stopping her from coming in

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Speaker 3: to Darwin from Canns is her honesty. Whether she without

574
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Speaker 3: going into quarantine is whether she tells the truth on

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Speaker 3: her border entry.

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Speaker 1: For I recommend it's time that we just go.

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Speaker 3: The rest of the world. Look at what the rest

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Speaker 3: of the world is doing. You know, they don't when

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Speaker 3: you travel from New York to Los Angeles, you don't

580
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Speaker 3: have to fill out a border entry form and go

581
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Speaker 3: into quarantine. You know, America's learned to live with the virus,

582
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Speaker 3: the UK has learned to live with the virus. The

583
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Speaker 3: rest of the world is living with the virus. Australia

584
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Speaker 3: is about to start learning to live with the virus.

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Speaker 3: From the sevenenth of December. Queensland is opening up, New

586
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Speaker 3: South Wales has opened up, Victoria has opened up. So

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Speaker 3: Western Australia is the one outlier right and they can

588
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Speaker 3: hang out there on there on their own if they like.

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Speaker 3: They contribute, you know, their net.

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Speaker 8: Contributor to the for an opportunity.

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Speaker 3: But we can't and we can't have this situation. And

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Speaker 3: this case just shows that the system is not going

593
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Speaker 3: to work right if people want to come here going

594
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Speaker 3: to be able to and you know, of course people

595
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Speaker 3: are going to break steps on them.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I get what you're saying, and I think

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Speaker 1: it does also go back to obviously we've got our

598
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Speaker 1: roadmap forwards in terms of we've reached our eighty percent

599
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Speaker 1: vaccination right now, first is it first disol or both

600
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Speaker 1: fully vaccinated eighty percent eighty percent? So realistically, you know,

601
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Speaker 1: we're still hanging here waiting to find out. You know,

602
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Speaker 1: I know we've been told that we're going through that

603
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Speaker 1: home quarantining trial at the moment, and then we're going

604
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Speaker 1: to home quarantine and then we're going to the no quarantine.

605
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Speaker 1: But you've got to have seven tests. But you do

606
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Speaker 1: wonder at what point are we going to sort of

607
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Speaker 1: go like the rest of Australia and just open up.

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Speaker 3: And I think we absolutely have to do that. I mean,

609
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Speaker 3: and Leah will be able to attest that. It's pretty

610
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Speaker 3: politically fraught for a politician to come out and say that,

611
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Speaker 3: because if Lea says it, now, yeah, the government's like she.

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Speaker 8: Open the border, she wants it all die from Corona.

613
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Speaker 3: It is what makes it difficult, but that's what it's

614
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Speaker 3: actually what has to happen, and it'll get to the

615
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Speaker 3: point where we actually can't stop it from happening. And

616
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Speaker 3: that's why, you know, if you want to protect yourself

617
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Speaker 3: from the virus.

618
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Speaker 1: You need to go out and.

619
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Speaker 5: Get vaccinated well.

620
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Speaker 2: And we also need a plan.

621
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Speaker 8: I think people deserve to know what the plan is.

622
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Speaker 8: And what's happened is we have such great uncertainty at

623
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Speaker 8: the moment. People are so confused whether it's mandatory vax,

624
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Speaker 8: whether it's what percentage we're at because the Commals data

625
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 8: is ten percent different to our data, whether it's around

626
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Speaker 8: the quarantine trial or what happens on the eighteenth of

627
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Speaker 8: January with apparently no quarantine. People are so confused they

628
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Speaker 8: cannot see a pathway. People don't even know whether they

629
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Speaker 8: should book family events for Christmas, like it's just an

630
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Speaker 8: absolute smith.

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Speaker 1: Is it the twenty third of November that we move

632
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Speaker 1: to the traffic light system, Yes, Katie, and the twenty

633
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Speaker 1: thirds of the home quarantine.

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Speaker 6: We're hoping to take everyone that's got that suitable place

635
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Speaker 6: of residence to home quarantine, and then as we go

636
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Speaker 6: through the replication cycles, it'll go from two weeks quarantine

637
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Speaker 6: to seven days quarantine and then with that testing regime.

638
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Speaker 6: So we're hoping that by mid January, I've got the

639
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Speaker 6: dates in me that will be on a testing regime,

640
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 6: and we need to have some public health measures, but

641
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Speaker 6: it is designed to allow that travel and freedom.

642
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Speaker 1: So how's that home quarantining trial been going, because presumably

643
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Speaker 1: it is all about testing the testing system.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so Katie, it's been going well.

645
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Speaker 6: I haven't received an update in the last couple of days,

646
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Speaker 6: but it certainly has shown us some lessons and so

647
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Speaker 6: I think that negative test to come into the program

648
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 6: was something that we had to grapple with early, but

649
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Speaker 6: it certainly taught us lessons around how we can be

650
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Speaker 6: efficient in terms of that testing regime.

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Speaker 5: That backs it up.

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Speaker 8: Well, you'd have to because if you're getting tested every

653
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Speaker 8: three days, you're probably taking a next test before you've

654
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Speaker 8: even gotten the results back on the first test. You know,

655
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Speaker 8: it's incredibly onerous for the laboratory and you know, we

656
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Speaker 8: you know, if we're going to demand that, then we

657
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Speaker 8: need to be efficient and that means results in terms.

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Speaker 5: Of our laboratory.

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Speaker 6: And this shows how it a touched Lea is we

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Speaker 6: have got significant testing capacity that's been increased through the pandemic,

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Speaker 6: and so it's just working through in terms of getting

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Speaker 6: those tests from individuals as safely as possible into the lab.

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Speaker 1: You know, like over the Christmas period. I think it's

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Speaker 1: safe to say that all around the Northern Territory, from

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Speaker 1: Alice Springs to Darwin, you see quite an exodus of

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Speaker 1: territories into other states at different times. Are we going

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Speaker 1: to be able to withstand all of that testing? Bearing

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Speaker 1: in mind that people are going to need to have

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Speaker 1: seven tests each, you know, in a little family like mine,

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Speaker 1: that's obviously there's four people I know that we've all,

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Speaker 1: you know, for all of us, it's quite a large

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Speaker 1: volume of testing for one family alone, let alone if

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Speaker 1: we do see a few thousand people leave the territory

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Speaker 1: like we usually would and come back.

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Speaker 5: So we've increased the laboratory testing, Katie.

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Speaker 6: It's the how do you get the tests that's been

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Speaker 6: one of the key parts, particularly if people are in

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Speaker 6: home quarantine, so it could be.

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Speaker 1: A home test rather than a lab test.

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Speaker 6: No, no, no, So it would be the and I

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Speaker 6: should say that the home based tests. You know, they're

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Speaker 6: starting and coming to Matt's point around living with COVID

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Speaker 6: in the world. You certainly I think will Worst and

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Speaker 6: Coals are both starting to stock those. But these are

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Speaker 6: laboratory tester, but you can people can self test and

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Speaker 6: then you know, put those in the sample bags, and

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Speaker 6: so it's how do we get those off individuals into

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Speaker 6: the laboratories. We've got the capacity to run thousands of

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Speaker 6: tests at once in the laboratory, so it's just working

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Speaker 6: through those measures.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's going to be interesting, it really is to

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Speaker 1: see how it all rolls out. And I guess that

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Speaker 1: checking app is going to be really important as well.

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Speaker 1: We know that throughout the week the checking app and

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Speaker 1: the vaccine certificate obviously linked up. If you've been clever

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Speaker 1: enough to do that, good on you. But for some

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Speaker 1: of our listeners, some of those who maybe their phones

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Speaker 1: aren't actually as new as an iPhone, Some of our

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Speaker 1: other more senior territorians have been in contact and having

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Speaker 1: a bit of difficulty with this. I know that I've

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Speaker 1: been told the Nightcliff in your neck of the woods

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Speaker 1: that Woolli's doesn't have the manual sign in sometimes when

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Speaker 1: you go in to go and sign in. So for

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Speaker 1: some of our listeners, they're quite concerned by that that

705
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Speaker 1: it's not actually as easy as it should be to

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Speaker 1: check in because they want to do the right thing.

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Speaker 8: I'm actually surprised how often I have to look around

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Speaker 8: for the code you know, like you're literally going into places.

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Speaker 2: And thinking where is it?

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Speaker 5: Where is it? Eventually you stumbled across it.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we're going to take a very short break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four point nine's

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Speaker 1: three sixty. It is the week that was. You are

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Speaker 1: listening to Mix one oh four point nine's three sixty,

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Speaker 1: and it is the week that was. I've got Natasha

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Speaker 1: files Kesi Epuric, Matt Cunningham and Leofanocchiaio all in the

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Speaker 1: studio this morning. Now, we learned late yesterday that Blaine

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Speaker 1: MLA Mark Turner is not going to be returning. Apparently

719
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Speaker 1: I can hear you too whispering, So you've just got

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Speaker 1: to be a little bit careful there. I sound like

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Speaker 1: a school teacher discussing their foot. You need to pay

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Speaker 1: attention because we're about to talk about the Privileges Committee

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Speaker 1: and the fact that that Mark Turner, it's been revealed. Well,

724
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Speaker 1: as we know, he was at the center of the

725
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Speaker 1: of the alleged cocaine fueled sex scandal and in a

726
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Speaker 1: statement to Parliament, he'd revealed that he had a friendship

727
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Speaker 1: with a woman at the party and exchange intimate conversation

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Speaker 1: with her. He denied participating in any illegal activity and

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Speaker 1: said that he had the support of labor leaders. Now

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Speaker 1: we know that obviously this went through the Privileges Committee,

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Speaker 1: and on all three counts, the Privileges Committee said that

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Speaker 1: the comments that he'd made in Parliament did not meet

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Speaker 1: the threshold of misleading the Legislative Assembly. Now I know that, Leah.

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Speaker 1: In your dissenting report, you and your deputy Jared Maylee,

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Speaker 1: said that you strongly felt that the inquiry needed to continue,

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Speaker 1: but at this point it's not going to as I understand.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 8: We put in a dissenting report, which basically means we

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Speaker 8: disagree with the government on this issue. The committee is

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Speaker 8: a five member committee. Three of it are government, two

741
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Speaker 8: of it are opposition, and the Government have decided to

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Speaker 8: discontinue the inquiry into the Member for Blaine without looking

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Speaker 8: at any evidence whatsoever other than the very statement that

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Speaker 8: he made in parliament, which is the subject of the

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Speaker 8: allegation that he mislead the Parliament. So we put in

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Speaker 8: a dissenting report. We oppose that we believe very strongly

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Speaker 8: that evidence actually needs to be called so that you

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Speaker 8: can make a decision and all I can say, Katie,

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Speaker 8: is this just smacks of an absolute cover up. We

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Speaker 8: saw the Member for Blaine ask a Dorothy Dixon in

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Speaker 8: Parliament last sittings. It's the first time he's asked a

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Speaker 8: question since the whole scandal erupted, and I think this

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Speaker 8: is all just an exercise in saving face. They had

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Speaker 8: to go through the motions because of the public sentiment

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Speaker 8: at the time. And we're going to see the Member

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Speaker 8: for Blaine back in the labor fold very soon.

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Speaker 1: Is he going back? Is he coming back into the

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Speaker 1: labor caucus?

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Speaker 5: The Member for Blaine is not in the labor caucus, but.

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Speaker 1: Is he going to be now that he's been found

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Speaker 1: You know that he's got no case to answer for.

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Speaker 6: So this report's been handed down, but he's not back

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Speaker 6: in the labor caucus?

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Speaker 4: Well will he be? Katie?

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Speaker 7: On this point I disagree with Leah because this should

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Speaker 7: have never gone to privileges in the first place. You know,

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Speaker 7: let's be honest about this, privileges And the reason that

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Speaker 7: the government moved the motion to send him to privileges

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Speaker 7: was because they claim he misled the House.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 7: I think the Chief Minister was the one who referred

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Speaker 7: him to privileges and to ik Co and debuting else

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Speaker 7: under the sun. Now, the first there's two questions. Did

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Speaker 7: he intend to mislead the house? That is always the

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Speaker 7: first question you must ask about these kind of issues.

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Speaker 7: The second question whether you get a answer to the

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Speaker 7: first one or not, did he actually mislead the House?

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Speaker 7: So the committee, of course I wasn't there, and another

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Speaker 7: on a Natash and Lee were both there, but they

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Speaker 7: have two very fundamental questions when it comes to referrals

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Speaker 7: and privileges and about mis misleading the House. Now, in

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Speaker 7: my view, my humble view, no, he did not intend

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Speaker 7: to mislead the House. And two I don't believe he

784
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Speaker 7: did mislead the House in his statement. Now I don't

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Speaker 7: know the facts behind the scene and what went on

786
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Speaker 7: with the caucus members and you know, drafting the documentation,

787
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Speaker 7: but it was not a matter that should ever have

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Speaker 7: gone to privileges, just as Steve Edgington, the Member for Barkley,

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Speaker 7: should not be referred to privileges because Chancey Pate does

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Speaker 7: not operate on his little loansome. As I've said before,

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Speaker 7: he was directed to do that by the caucus.

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Speaker 1: It's a joke.

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Speaker 7: Steve Edgington has not done anything in a probat or

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Speaker 7: wrong and it is a joke. Now if the government

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Speaker 7: is going to start to use this process as one

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Speaker 7: upmanship to attack the opposition, well that's just scandalous and

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Speaker 7: a misuse of the Parliament and the activities of the party.

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Speaker 3: It's a ridiculous abuse of power and it undermines the

799
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Speaker 3: whole like what the Privileges Committee is and what it's for.

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Speaker 3: It's being used as a basically tool for political stunts.

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Speaker 3: You know, Labor allowed Mark Turner to be referred to

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Speaker 3: Privileges even if the Opposition put it forward, and I'd

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Speaker 3: say the same for the IKAK. Now that IKAK report

804
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: has now been investigation has been thrown out, and I

805
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: think the substance the new Commissioner appears to be doing

806
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 3: an incredibly good job at the IKAK, but that should

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Speaker 3: never have been referred to ic either, and that is

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Speaker 3: also a ridiculous situation. We have all of these provisions

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Speaker 3: with the IKAK that you can't say someone's being investigated,

810
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 3: you know, you can't talk about an IQQ investigation. But

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Speaker 3: the Chief Minister could stand up on the floor of

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Speaker 3: Parliament and say I'm referring Mark Turner to the IKAK.

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Speaker 1: And why did he do it?

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Speaker 3: Because he wanted to kill the political story of the day.

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Speaker 3: He wanted to put a full stop on the scandal that.

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Speaker 1: Was in his government and the questions about it exactly.

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Speaker 3: And so whenever you're asking a question about it, it's

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Speaker 3: been referred to the IKAK, I can't talk about it.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing is done.

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Speaker 3: And remember that we are paying millions of dollars for

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Speaker 3: these bodies, like we pay eight million dollars for the

823
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Speaker 3: IKAK a year. The Privileges Committee, I mean the report

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Speaker 3: that came out yesterday follows hearings that details how much

825
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Speaker 3: taxpayers money was spent on the time of the Privileges

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Speaker 3: Committee on that matter, and then how much is going

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Speaker 3: to be spent on the Steve Edgington matter. I mean,

828
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Speaker 3: absolutely ridiculous and absurd. And God help us if that

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Speaker 3: committee that is stacked three to two in the government's

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Speaker 3: favor comes back and rules against Steve Edgington'll he absolutely fastical.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know exactly how it works, but if

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Speaker 3: there is the potential to unrefer someone from the.

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Speaker 1: Privileges I'd be doing it.

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Speaker 3: You should do it straight away, Steve meg was absolutely observed.

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Speaker 1: But what it's also i think demonstrated very clearly to

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Speaker 1: the broader public and to me it does not pass

837
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Speaker 1: the pub test, is that what Labor has done is

838
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: played the political game very well. So as you've pointed

839
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Speaker 1: out there, Mash, once it gets referred to the IKAK,

840
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Speaker 1: and then it's obviously referred to Privileges, then you know,

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Speaker 1: we've got the likes of Filesy, obviously, we've got the

842
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Speaker 1: likes of the Chief Minister. We've got everybody saying we

843
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Speaker 1: can't actually answer questions on that because it's going through

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Speaker 1: the Privileges Committee or because it's been referred to the IKAK.

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Speaker 1: Well that's not actually good enough. You're all politicians who've

846
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Speaker 1: been elected by the people, and the people want questions answered.

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Speaker 1: They don't want it to be hidden behind a screen

848
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Speaker 1: that then they've got no idea what goes on, and

849
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Speaker 1: then there's a finding that comes back and they're like, well,

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Speaker 1: hang on a second.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is the other issue with both the Privileges

852
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Speaker 3: Committee and the IKAK. I mean, justice done in private

853
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 3: is not justice at all. And the Privileges Committee operates

854
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 3: behind closed doors. You don't know what goes on, You

855
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: don't know who they talk to, You don't know what

856
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 3: happens till a report comes out. I can't even find

857
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 3: out when Ken Fleming, the former IKAK, is going to

858
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 3: be before the Privileges Committee. You cannot even find out

859
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 3: that information, let alone know what is discussed in a

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00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 3: Privileges Committee hearing. And the same with the IKAK. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think the problem with the IKAK and the Turf

862
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 3: Club report, for example, is that all of the hearings

863
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Speaker 3: were done in private, so no one knows. Look at

864
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Speaker 3: what's happening in New South Wales, gladys Bury, Jiclly and

865
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Speaker 3: the New South Wales Premier is up there in front

866
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 3: of public hearings being grilled right here, Michael Gunner gets

867
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 3: grilled before the IKAK over the top times, but no

868
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 3: one knows what he was asked, what he answered, So

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Speaker 3: we don't actually know the detail of what happened. We

870
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Speaker 3: just get this report that says, oh, you're guilty or

871
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Speaker 3: guilty and you're exonerator.

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Speaker 7: And you can't get it even under FOI and it's

873
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Speaker 7: and that's the way it is. I mean, but don't

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Speaker 7: forget Katie. The Ikak Act is under review at the moment,

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Speaker 7: and I've got a letter drafted to the Chief Minister

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Speaker 7: because Greg Shanahan has privacy when I had a meeting

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Speaker 7: with him about the review, and at that time he

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Speaker 7: had pretty much finished it and a report was being

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Speaker 7: delivered to the Chief Minister. So I'd say that Chief

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Speaker 7: Minister has the report from Greg Shanahan. And in my

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Speaker 7: first letter to the Chief Minister he said that there'd

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Speaker 7: be a what do you call it an explosion draft.

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Speaker 4: I don't know about the report being made public.

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Speaker 1: He'd said on this show that it would be made

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Speaker 1: published because close.

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Speaker 7: To it there was a lot of There was a

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Speaker 7: lot of technical aspects to that report or to the

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Speaker 7: Act that obviously needs some improvements and some amendments, but

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Speaker 7: there was a whole lot of stuff surrounding that that

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Speaker 7: I put to Greg Shanahan, and that was some of

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Speaker 7: the information, you know, how the previous commissioner had operated,

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Speaker 7: and whether the failings of the situation were because of

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Speaker 7: the previous commission or because of the failings of the legislation.

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Speaker 4: But that's part of it.

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Speaker 7: You know, the Chief Minister can get up in Parliament

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Speaker 7: and elsewhere and say I'm referring this man and that

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Speaker 7: woman and this person is to the I K. But

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Speaker 7: once it gets there, everyone knows that person's been referred.

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Speaker 7: But if I tell you I've been referred to, okay,

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Speaker 7: I get into trouble. But he doesn't get into trouble

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Speaker 7: for shaming and naming alf Leonardo.

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Speaker 3: And you can't even talk to your partner about it.

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Speaker 7: Or it's it's tricky, but yeah, keep an eye on

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Speaker 7: that report. We need to see that report and what amendments,

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Speaker 7: if any, are being proposed, and I think there will

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Speaker 7: be quite a few amendments.

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Speaker 1: We are going to have to take a very short break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine

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Speaker 1: three sixty. It is the week that was well, that's

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Speaker 1: just about it for us this morning. It has been

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Speaker 1: the week that was Leofanocchiaro, Matt Cunningham, Kisiopuric and Natasha Files.

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Speaker 1: Just finally, as everybody sort of double checking their Facebook

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Speaker 1: posts before they post anything online after what had happened

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Speaker 1: throughout the week, the poor old Chief Minister's Facebook page

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Speaker 1: obviously copying Losh after an incorrect post was put up,

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Speaker 1: and then the woman at the center of that scandal,

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Speaker 1: obviously speaking to the Northern Territory News and saying that

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Speaker 1: she is not definitely not a sex work.

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Speaker 3: Now I make a very quick, serious point on that. Yes,

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Speaker 3: the problem here is that the Chief Minister's Facebook page

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Speaker 3: has been morphed into by the government the number one

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Speaker 3: source of COVID information, right, And the problem is you

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Speaker 3: go back to look at what happened in the daily

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Speaker 3: by election right. Then they do that to boost the following,

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Speaker 3: like he's got forty thousand followers, right, and then during

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Speaker 3: a by election they use it as a political propaganda

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Speaker 3: tool where they're slagging off the CLP, you know, with set.

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Speaker 7: Then they put themselves off as the news as this

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Speaker 7: is where you get your information from people, And then

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Speaker 7: people are critical of the government or the chief mention

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Speaker 7: on I block you.

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Speaker 4: So you can't have your cake and eat it as well.

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Speaker 7: You either go out there assuming they're not really nasty

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Speaker 7: messages or violent or anything like that, but just being

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Speaker 7: critical of a member of Parliament.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's probably warranted, I.

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Speaker 7: Don't know, So you can't say, oh, this is where

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Speaker 7: you get your news from.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, by the way, and.

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Speaker 8: I mean they put the health information on his Facebook

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Speaker 8: before you can get it on any official channel on

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Speaker 8: the website. Make no mistake, this is political staffers on

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Speaker 8: the fifth floor drafting up stuff to go on Michael

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Speaker 8: Gunner's Facebook page. It is designed to make territories dependent

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Speaker 8: on him for news and information so that they can

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Speaker 8: then feed political messaging down territory in's throat. It is

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Speaker 8: disgraceful and they have done it time and time again.

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Speaker 8: I've been saying this for eighteen months. I'm glad everyone's

949
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Speaker 8: getting on board that it's enough is enough.

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Speaker 1: All of us as been pretty pissed off about it

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Speaker 1: to be pretty great about it, especially us in the media.

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Speaker 1: When you're having to follow other chief minister's Facebook page

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Speaker 1: to get that information, I actually don't think.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I sometimes see his post, but there's some

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Speaker 7: radio station mixed rays.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Turned into that one.

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Speaker 1: That's what it's place to go easy, that's where you

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Speaker 1: get it. Fazy. Do you post official health messaging on

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Speaker 1: your Facebook page or do you think that it's more

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Speaker 1: appropriate that it does go through those official channels.

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Speaker 6: So Katie, the Chief Minister stood up and has you know,

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Speaker 6: most days when we're in these lockdown, lockout situations and

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Speaker 6: provides that news at his press conference. He provides additional

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Speaker 6: information on his Facebook so that people can go back

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Speaker 6: and refer to that. It's, you know, another source where

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Speaker 6: people get their information from, but we certainly make sure

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Speaker 6: it goes across Tea Health security.

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Speaker 3: There have been sasions where the first mention of crucial

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Speaker 3: COVID information has been on the Chief Minister's Facebook page

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Speaker 3: and that was not by accident.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and it's hours later it appears on official channels.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not acceptable.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, we've run out of time. That is it for

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Speaker 1: us this morning. Leah fanocchi Aro, thank you very much

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Speaker 1: for your time today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 8: And tomorrow is meg Happy day. I'll be in the

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Speaker 8: drivers at Johnson McDonald's. Come by and see me grab

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Speaker 8: a big mac and so hard it's.

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Speaker 2: Burger without anything on it, and my children.

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Speaker 1: Matt Cunninghead, thanks so much for your time today.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Wolfy.

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Speaker 3: And I know that the mandate kicks in tomorrow and

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Speaker 3: you know there's all this controversy. I'd just say one

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Speaker 3: thing to people who are out there on the fence.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't trust this government, but I trust

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Speaker 3: them on this. Just go out and get vaccinated fair enough.

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Speaker 1: Keithyer Puric, thank you very much for your time. Thanks

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Speaker 1: Katie and Natasha Files, thank you for your time today.

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Speaker 6: Big game of football tomorrow night Eddie Betts, Palmerston versus

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Speaker 6: The Nightcliff and the two hundredth games.

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Speaker 1: So I know Mix one oh four point nine is

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Speaker 1: going to be broadcasting live I believe from that footy game,

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Speaker 1: so it should be a good one. Thank you all

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Speaker 1: so much for your time. We'll catch you again next Friday,

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Speaker 1: but stick around. Plenty more coming your way this morning

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Speaker 1: on three sixty