1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: You heard on the show yesterday and also on Friday 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: that the Northern Territory Police Association they released the interim 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: results from their survey into confidence in the Police Commissioner 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: and concerns within the force. Eighty percent, well almost eighty 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: percent of respondents said that they do not have confidence 6 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: in the Police Commissioner, while ninety two percent said that 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: they don't think there are enough police in the Northern 8 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: Territory and seventy nine point four percent rated morale as 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: low or very low. The results are incredibly concerning now. 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: The Member for Blaine, Mark Turner, said on the show 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: yesterday he thinks there should be a Royal commission or 12 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: an inquiry into the force. The Chief Minister said yesterday 13 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: that she still has confidence in the Commissioner and that 14 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: she doesn't feel a review is necessary. Now the opposition 15 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: leader Lea Fanocchiaro joins me in the studio right now. 16 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: Good morning to you. 17 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: Leah, Good morning Katie and to your listeners. 18 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: Leah. 19 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: Firstly, what was your reaction to those results. 20 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 3: My first reaction was this now tells us, It now 21 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 3: proves what those Territorians already know. We know our police 22 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 3: forces in crisis and it has been for some time. 23 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 3: We've got attrition rates at eleven percent, which is eleven 24 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 3: percent of our forces leaving this year. I mean, it's 25 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 3: an incredible number. We've got serious mental health concerns, health 26 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 3: and wellbeing issues. We've got the lowest morale we've ever seen. 27 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 3: We've got the lowest confidence of our police in the 28 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 3: government and in their leadership. And so this really is 29 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 3: policing at a crisis point because crime is out of control. 30 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 3: Our police are being asked to do more with less. 31 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 3: We know response times, all the stories from people saying 32 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: it took police six hours to get here and one 33 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: hour to get there, not through any fault of their own, 34 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 3: but through demand and their ability. 35 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: So there's no question there's a crisis. 36 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 3: And I really hoped that this survey would have been 37 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 3: a trigger for the government to do something because we've 38 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 3: been fighting this fight on behalf of our police for 39 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 3: two years now. 40 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: Leah, taking all of that into account that you've just 41 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: mentioned there, do you still have confidence in the Police Commission? 42 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 3: Well, what I know is we now need a show 43 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 3: cause this is about performance management now, which is why 44 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: we've got a very clear plan. If I was Chief 45 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 3: Minister Katie. The first thing that needs to be done 46 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: is Kate Warden needs to be sacked. She is not 47 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 3: fit for the job. 48 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: People will be wondering though, why should she be sacked 49 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: when she's just taken on that role. 50 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: Yep, and that's a good Police. 51 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 1: Commissioner has been in his role for a number of 52 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: years now. Yes. 53 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 3: So the cabinet is the board you've got. The Police 54 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 3: Commissioner is the CEO. Kate Warden has been the minister 55 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 3: for a couple of months now. 56 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 2: Her very first move should. 57 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: Have been to realize the police was in crisis and 58 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 3: to undertake this performance management straight away, and she didn't. 59 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 3: And I actually pressed her on this, in estimates was 60 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 3: about three weeks into the job, and I said, what 61 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 3: direction are you going to take the police? What are 62 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 3: you going to do to bridge the divide between the 63 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 3: rank and file members and the executive? 64 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: I asked all of. 65 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 3: Those questions and she had not turned her mind to 66 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 3: it whatsoever. Two months down the track. To not have 67 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 3: a plan is grossing competence. And the Chief Minister should 68 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 3: be the person holding the police portfolio. 69 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 2: What would a show. 70 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: Cause look like for the Police Commissioner from your perspective. 71 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: Yes, so we believe there should be an immediate inquiry. 72 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 3: The Chief Minister should appoint a retired judge. I asked 73 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 3: her to do it on Monday. It should be immediate, 74 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 3: a thirty day inquiry. It does not need to drag on. 75 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 3: This would then require the Police Commissioner and the executive 76 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 3: to front up and explain what's going on with the force, 77 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: structural reform, all of these types of issues, competing resources, pressures, 78 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: and then that retired judge would report to the Chief 79 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 3: Minister with immediate recommendations. Now what comes out of that 80 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 3: I don't know, but ultimately the executive need an opportunity 81 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 3: to explain why we're in this situation and what they're 82 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 3: going to do about it. 83 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: But it's the government who, you know. 84 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 3: The Police commissioner role is appointed by the Chief Minister. 85 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 3: It is the ministers and the Chief Minister who have 86 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 3: to take responsibility here and create an action plan because 87 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 3: we cannot have a police force in crisis and we 88 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 3: cannot have a de as big as it is between 89 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 3: rank and file and the executive. 90 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: What do you make of the Chief Minister's comments yesterday 91 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: on the show saying that they need to attend that 92 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: conference on Friday. They need to get a better understanding 93 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: of the commentary from our police officers, from the rank 94 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: and file officers through that survey. 95 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 3: That is all smoke and mirrors. The Police Association conference 96 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 3: is Friday. It's a fantastic and important conference. But I'll 97 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 3: tell listeners exactly what will happen. Kate Warden in the 98 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 3: morning is going to give a speech. She's going to speak, 99 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 3: and then she's going to walk off the state and 100 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 3: she's going to leave. I will then be giving a 101 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 3: speech later in the afternoon. It is not a Q 102 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 3: and a situation where Kate Warden gets to sit down 103 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 3: with delegates from across the territory and hear their thoughts 104 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 3: about the survey. 105 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 2: That's just not what happens now. 106 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 3: Of course, the Police Association might be providing a greater 107 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 3: breakdown on the survey results, but I hazard a guess 108 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 3: that that will be being brief to government in any event. 109 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 3: So this idea that the conference is going to yield 110 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 3: some sort of turning point for government is a total 111 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 3: utter furfey. What we have is a continue of head 112 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,799 Speaker 3: in the sand behavior. This government willfully ignored the situation 113 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 3: with police for two years, Katie, I have tried twice 114 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 3: in Parliament to create inquiries into this very issue. You've 115 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 3: now got the memberphi Blaine saying that he's been inquiry. Well, 116 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 3: I've been voted down twice by Labor in Parliament on 117 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 3: this very y I. 118 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: Recall, and it's something that I actually thought should have 119 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: happened at the time. You've been on the show and 120 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: you said that it should happen. I agree with you. 121 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,239 Speaker 1: You know, we've got a situation right now where there's 122 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: not only the concerns around mental health. There is not 123 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: only the concerns that we've seen come through on this survey, 124 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: but there is also, you know, the concerns from the 125 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: community that crime is not under control and that the 126 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: community doesn't feel as though there's enough police on the 127 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: beat lea just to go back though, you know, we 128 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: have got that situation. Like I said, eighty percent of 129 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: our police say they do not have confidence in their leader. 130 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: More than ninety two percent of police are saying that 131 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: they do not think that there are enough police in 132 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory to do. 133 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: What's being asked of them. 134 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: Seventy nine point four rating morale as low or very low. Now. 135 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: The Police Association President Paul McHugh told me on the 136 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: show on Friday that the results speak for themselves and 137 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: there's no secrets. He said that there needs to be 138 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: a plan in place to address this, and it's an 139 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: enormous concern. You've said that the Police commissioner needs to 140 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: show cause. 141 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,119 Speaker 2: Is that going to cut ash? 142 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that he's going to be 143 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: the right person to lead the force given the morale 144 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: and given what we've seen in this survey. 145 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 3: Well, this is a question of leadership, and so it's 146 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 3: leadership on two parts. It's leadership by the executive and 147 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 3: the commissioner, but leadership by the government. The government is 148 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: the ones who ultimately have the final say. They lead 149 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 3: the values, they lead the ethics, they lead, the direction, 150 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 3: the strategy. All of those things comes from the top. 151 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 3: And so what is the government going to do? Are 152 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 3: they going to allow our police force to wither on 153 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 3: the vine or are they going to take action? Pull 154 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 3: the executive in, pull the people in that they employ, 155 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 3: and say, hang on a second, what is the plan? 156 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: And that's what we think needs to happen. 157 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: There needs to be that serious direction from the top, 158 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 3: get rid of Kate Warden. It's a waste of time 159 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 3: and space. Just have the chief Minister running law and 160 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 3: order and also community safety and get to the bottom 161 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 3: of what the problem is and whether it can be fixed. 162 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: It might not be fixable, Katie, but it might be 163 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 3: fixable and we have to go through that process. 164 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: Look, I think there'll be a lot of people listening 165 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: who agree with your calls for a review or agree 166 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: with that immediate inquiry and a retired judge looking at 167 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: doing that over a thirty day period. But again I 168 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: do think there'll be people going, we'll hang on a 169 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: sick Why will we be sacking the minister, you know 170 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: when they've just taken over. 171 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 3: Because she's done absolutely nothing. When she took over from 172 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 3: Nicole Madison. All of these problems were there. We knew 173 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 3: about it. I first tried to do an inquiry. I 174 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 3: think it was May last year. This is not a 175 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 3: new problem. Attrition has been going up and the reason 176 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 3: Nicole Manison got the sack is because she wasn't up 177 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 3: to the job and Kate Warden's come in and to 178 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 3: not recognize that as a leader. At the end of 179 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: the day, the cabinet minister is where the buck stops. 180 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: And for a minister to. 181 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 3: Come into the police portfolio after the few years of 182 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: crime and COVID and everything else we've had and do nothing. 183 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 3: She should have been doing the show cause and the 184 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 3: inquiry right when she first came into the ministry and 185 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: she hasn't. 186 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: And what you've got is even worse. 187 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 3: A chief minister just blindly continuing on, hoping that her 188 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 3: police minister is going to get it under control. If 189 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: everyone thinks it's everyone else's fault and everyone else's problem, 190 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: nothing's going to change. But these are men and women 191 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: in blue who put in our uniform, leave their homes 192 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 3: and their family every day to go and protect ours. 193 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: This is no joke, Lea. We are going to have 194 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 2: to move along. 195 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the fact that teachers are 196 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: set to go on strike on Friday. Are the Chief 197 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: Minister's questioned if the move is political with the by 198 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: election on the weekend. 199 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 2: Do you think it's a political move? 200 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 3: I think it's hilarious that the Chief Minister thinks it's 201 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 3: not okay for the unions and for teachers to go 202 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 3: and strike when you know the Labor Party is meant 203 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 3: to be the father of the union movement. I mean, 204 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 3: of course Natasha Files doesn't like that eight thousand teachers 205 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,599 Speaker 3: are going to strike because I'm a surprised. 206 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,080 Speaker 1: That they didn't take like other industrial action before, just 207 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 1: going straight to the strip. 208 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 3: No, I'm surprised there hasn't been strikes on the street. 209 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: Moh gosh. I remember when the CELP Firs came to power. 210 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 3: There's a rally at the front of Parliament House nearly 211 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 3: every day, and yet your unions are pretty quiet on 212 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 3: the pay freeze generally speaking. So I'm pleased that at 213 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 3: least the teachers have the guts to come out and 214 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 3: say this is a load of garbage. The CLP has 215 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 3: stood strong with the public service on a one percent 216 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 3: pay freeze in line with the plan for budget repair. 217 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: The government have come out. 218 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 3: I mean, how can a government come out freeze people's 219 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 3: pay for four years when we're in a cost of 220 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 3: living crisis. They've increased power prices by two point seven percent, 221 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 3: cut the feet in tariff and the fuel is. 222 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 2: Through the roof. They won't do anything about that. 223 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 1: So just on that government wage freeze. You know, it's 224 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: something that I've asked you before. It's certainly something that 225 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: I asked the Chief Minister Giesst today and whether that 226 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 1: needs to be lifted. She said, it is going to 227 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: be something that is you know, that they are looking at, 228 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: or it is something that they're looking at. What do 229 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: you think needs to happen you my understanding is you 230 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: think it. 231 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 2: Does need to be lifted. 232 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, we would end the pay frees The pay freeze ridiculous. 233 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 2: Excuse me? 234 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: Happens with that bonus money though that they've already received. 235 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 3: So they haven't received all the bonus money. So I 236 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 3: think they've received their first four thousand dollars and then 237 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 3: every year it's two thousand and after that something like that. 238 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 3: So where it ends is where the bonuses would stop effectively. 239 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 3: So it's a very simple process. But you know, for 240 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 3: the government to trick public servants with the allure of 241 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 3: cash before Christmas is disgusting. I mean, we are literally 242 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 3: in a cost of living crisis and then the government 243 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 3: wants to freeze people's wages for four years. I think 244 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 3: good on the teachers. It is important to have a 245 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 3: voice and this government doesn't seem to care how low 246 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 3: things get. I mean, when is it enough crime, When 247 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 3: is it enough suffering? For this government to do something. 248 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 3: The answer is, it seems to never be enough. So 249 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 3: if they go out and strike on Friday, my heart 250 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 3: is with them because they've got an important cause and 251 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 3: the CLP stands side by side with them and the payperes. 252 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 2: Well, it's funny, isn't it. 253 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: It's not something I know a lot of people listening 254 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: will be thinking, is that something that they'd expect to 255 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: hear from the CLP. So I do think that's funny, 256 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: and I know that there are still people that obviously, 257 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, have concerns at the COLP going to sort of, 258 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: you know, to make cuts to the public servants. So 259 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: it is, you know, it is funny to hear that. 260 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: You think it's a good idea. 261 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 3: We you know, we know we've got some old baggage 262 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 3: and you know, labor light to roll that out whenever 263 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 3: they can. But at the end of the day, right now, 264 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 3: we've got every single public service facing a four year 265 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 3: pay freez. 266 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 2: We've got you know, the police. 267 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 3: That survey we're just talking about, Katie, ninety percent of 268 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 3: respondents said they don't support the pay frees. We've got 269 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 3: eight thousand teachers going to strike. I mean, the whole 270 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 3: place is falling apart and burning to the ground. Katie, 271 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 3: we stand with the Public Service on this pay freeze issue. 272 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: It needs to go well. 273 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: Lea fan Occiaro, we are going to have to leave 274 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: it there, the opposition leader. Good to speak with you 275 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: this morning. I appreciate your time. 276 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 2: Take care everyone. 277 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: Thank you.