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Speaker 2: the Aurora Nation. Hi guys, Anna, welcome back to another
Speaker 2: episode of Life Uncut. I'm Laura and I'm Brittany, and
Speaker 2: it is absolute in a life podcast office in Commas.
Speaker 1: It's not. Do you know what the problem is? Delilah
Speaker 1: keeps licking my fucking feet. She won't stop licking my feet,
Speaker 1: she won't stop licking my legs, she won't get out
Speaker 1: from under the table, and everybody else thinks it's funny.
Speaker 1: And I don't like it because I think I.
Speaker 2: Think it's funny because of your reaction, like you hate
Speaker 2: us so much, and I said, put some socks on.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe this is her way. Animals are pretty instinctive.
Speaker 2: Maybe she's trying to say she'd wash your feet.
Speaker 1: I had a showered this morning before I came here,
Speaker 1: so I mean, although maybe maybe it's the delicious body
Speaker 1: moisturize that I put on this morning.
Speaker 2: Oh it could be the cocoa butter.
Speaker 1: That is what I think it is. Anyway, Britt, I
Speaker 1: hear that you have a little story that happened to
Speaker 1: you on the weekend that you wanted to share. And
Speaker 1: when I say Britt has a little story, it's now
Speaker 1: what it's we're recording this. It's one pm in the afternoon,
Speaker 1: and she's held on to this to tell me it
Speaker 1: on the podcast.
Speaker 2: It was just something funny. It's not just the groundbreaking.
Speaker 2: But if you guys follow myself or produce a Keisha
Speaker 2: on Instagram. A few nights ago, we were coming back
Speaker 2: from the dog park. We took Delila down for a
Speaker 2: quick little run. Were coming back and I almost I
Speaker 2: was driving. I almost had a heart attack. I saw,
Speaker 2: you know, when you see a dog run across a
Speaker 2: road that is obviously lost and scared, It ran straight
Speaker 2: in front of this car. I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: you can't talk, and this car narrowly missed it and
Speaker 2: then kept driving. Then another on the other side of
Speaker 2: the road narrowly missed it. And this dog was like,
Speaker 2: it wasn't just directly crossing the road, it was scared.
Speaker 1: Like running down the middle of a main street like
Speaker 1: that sort of yeah.
Speaker 2: So of course we pull over, and I was like,
Speaker 2: we have to save this dog because everyone's just driving
Speaker 2: off like dusky. So it was getting dark. That was
Speaker 2: definitely gonna get hit by a car. So I pull over.
Speaker 2: Keisha runs down the street. The dog has run down
Speaker 2: this side street off a main road and it's in
Speaker 2: a cul de sac. Keisha's trying to coax it towards it,
Speaker 2: and I come down in the car with the lead. Anyway,
Speaker 2: we we lesue the dog and it's got no tag
Speaker 2: on it, so we just thought we would capture it,
Speaker 2: call the number. It would all be overso hag on it.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, well, we've got to take it home.
Speaker 2: So I took it back to my place with Delilah
Speaker 2: while we put some instagrams out, which I go on
Speaker 2: to the dog face the Facebook groups trying to post
Speaker 2: these photos. Keisha's on dog facebook groups trying to post
Speaker 2: these photos.
Speaker 1: I did see that you had a dog in your kitchen, Yes,
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to take.
Speaker 2: It to the pound. Just thought I would hope someone
Speaker 2: would stop if Delilah was on the street. That's my hope.
Speaker 2: So we're going all out. We didn't get any responses
Speaker 2: of who it was, so I thought I'll take it
Speaker 2: to a late night vet and get them to micro
Speaker 2: chip scan it. So we took it to the vet.
Speaker 2: There was no address, the microchip didn't go anywhere, so
Speaker 2: we're saying it the vet for ages. I'm still checking
Speaker 2: all the instagrams and eventually, somehow the para social media.
Speaker 2: Someone in a Visla Facebook group from Newcastle contacted somebody
Speaker 2: else who recognized it from someone else who contacted Keisha's
Speaker 2: DM and my DM and we found the owner. Now
Speaker 2: this was this really big saga. I was like, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have to keep this dog forever. We finally had
Speaker 2: life half romatic.
Speaker 1: You got so quickly, well, I guess you're moving in now.
Speaker 1: She's already renamed it, brought it a name tag.
Speaker 2: I said, don't send this dog to the pound, like
Speaker 2: if no one finds it, like, let me know again
Speaker 2: and we can come back and we'll sort it out. Anyway,
Speaker 2: the owner ends up calling Keisha, and it was a man,
Speaker 2: and he was like beside himself. He's like, thank you
Speaker 2: so much, like can we send you a vouch or whatever.
Speaker 2: We're like, obviously, no, don't, don't be ridiculous. But he's like,
Speaker 2: she's my pride and joy. I can't believe it. The
Speaker 2: Woolworth's delivery man came to the house and left the
Speaker 2: gate open, and that's how she got out. Now, this
Speaker 2: went on for a little while and then Kesha's like, well,
Speaker 2: where do you Where do you live? What area? Because
Speaker 2: I'll tell you where we found it. Anyway, it turns
Speaker 2: out we took the dog from the lawn.
Speaker 1: Dog was on a from law and we thought we were.
Speaker 2: Saving it, which we were saving it, but it ran
Speaker 2: home to the lawn and that's where we captured it.
Speaker 1: Wait, did you tell the guy that you actually ended
Speaker 1: up kidnapping his dog?
Speaker 2: So he told us where he lived, and Keisha and
Speaker 2: I looked at each other. We were like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: that's where we.
Speaker 1: Took the dog.
Speaker 2: We literally we literally took the dog. We saved the
Speaker 2: dog from his own home.
Speaker 1: I also, I also loved that the guy was trying
Speaker 1: to buy you a give foucher and you're like, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry that I actually kidnapped. It's petty theft. You don't
Speaker 1: need to buy no, but actually visits are expensive. That
Speaker 1: is grand theft. Anything over a thousand dollars is grand
Speaker 1: theft of a dog grand theft.
Speaker 2: It was so funny, But I don't feel bad because
Speaker 2: we didn't. At the end of the day, we saw
Speaker 2: what had just happened. That he did nearly get hit
Speaker 2: by a cart. She sorry, she nearly got hit by
Speaker 2: two cars. It was getting dark. We weren't to know
Speaker 2: she was trying to make her way home when we
Speaker 2: took her.
Speaker 1: So it's also like, Okay, I can see the funny
Speaker 1: and the irony in this, but like hilarious. But also
Speaker 1: it's not like you snuck into someone's backyard. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: this dog was clearly missing and unloved, and I am
Speaker 1: a superdo.
Speaker 2: Did you know when you have that realization? When he
Speaker 2: told us the address and in our head we both
Speaker 2: looked at each other and we were doing the maths,
Speaker 2: and I was like pulled up Google Maps and I
Speaker 2: was like, precise, see where we took.
Speaker 1: You over from Brittany Hockley and Keisha You are the
Speaker 1: You are the visual anties that nobody needs.
Speaker 2: That way, not all heroes wear capes. That's all I'm
Speaker 2: going to say. Anyway, that was my little story. I
Speaker 2: thought it was absolutely hilarious. But I think you had
Speaker 2: a bit of an eventful weekend on social media too.
Speaker 1: Well well, I mean, I think we were kind of
Speaker 1: going from the highs of social media and the good
Speaker 1: things that can come out of social media. I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about something that happened on the weekend that
Speaker 1: if you guys follow me on Instagram, you may have
Speaker 1: already seen in my stories. But it is to do
Speaker 1: with this season of Maths, and it is to do
Speaker 1: with this season's villain of Maths, and that was Olivia Fraser. Now,
Speaker 1: if you're not familiar with the story that happened over
Speaker 1: the weekend, her boyfriend Jackson cheated on her.
Speaker 2: And this is her boyfriend from the show.
Speaker 1: This is her boyfriend from the show. Now, Olivia, and
Speaker 1: this is just to give you guys context. If you're
Speaker 1: not Maths fans, Olivia was the villain of this season,
Speaker 1: and rightfully so. Her behavior on the show was pretty deplorable.
Speaker 1: She shared around a nude foe of Dominica that she'd
Speaker 1: taken from OnlyFans, and she shared it around without Dominica's
Speaker 1: consent to the other contestants.
Speaker 2: That would completely not cool.
Speaker 1: Disgusting, and she's been held to account. Like there have
Speaker 1: been numerous news articles written about her. There has been
Speaker 1: so much commentary that has played out across social media,
Speaker 1: with everybody the public of Australia weighing in their opinions
Speaker 1: around just how vile they think Olivia is for this.
Speaker 1: But over the weekend something happened. Now The Wash, which
Speaker 1: some of you might be familiar with, is a it's
Speaker 1: an Instagram site that kind of reports on popular reality
Speaker 1: TV news, and they posted a video of Jackson out
Speaker 1: at the nightclub kissing another woman so effectively it was
Speaker 1: a very very graphic video. You could not like, you
Speaker 1: can't argue what he's doing. It's not like taken from
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Somebody standing right next to him has
Speaker 1: taken a video of him kissing another woman and cheating
Speaker 1: on Olivia.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's without doubt he's one hundred percent there
Speaker 2: in the very passionate embrace he's making out with her.
Speaker 2: There is no way you can say I was just
Speaker 2: taking her chewing gum and somebody and somebody got this
Speaker 2: awkward photo, like you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 1: But what makes it even worse is that, like, and
Speaker 1: all reports that have come out of this is that
Speaker 1: Olivia was actually at the club just earlier, so her
Speaker 1: and Jackson had gone out together with a group of friends,
Speaker 1: she had gone home early to the hotel, and then
Speaker 1: after she'd gone home early to the hotel to go
Speaker 1: to sleep, he Bertie has fucking cheated on her. Now,
Speaker 1: the thing I wanted to talk about here is the
Speaker 1: fact that, yes, Olivia is the villain of that season
Speaker 1: of mass but the amount of hate, the amount of vitriol,
Speaker 1: the amount of just like pure like and I can't
Speaker 1: even like, I mean pure hatred that she is receiving
Speaker 1: across social media in a time where she's suffering, really hurt.
Speaker 1: Like I saw this happen over the weekend, and I
Speaker 1: was like, how are we all so okay with being
Speaker 1: so fucking mean to someone who is so clearly suffering,
Speaker 1: even if we think they deserve it? Like, even if
Speaker 1: you don't like her, even if the things that she's done,
Speaker 1: you think, you know what, like, yeah, like you're a
Speaker 1: bad person and I'm you should be held to account.
Speaker 1: Does that mean that you're the person or the people
Speaker 1: who were making these comments are the people to hold
Speaker 1: her to account? Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: By all accounts? She I think she seems like she's
Speaker 2: suffered tremendously since the show, in terms of the hate
Speaker 2: she's received, the bullying, the work that she has lost
Speaker 2: since going on the show, her personal life has suffered.
Speaker 2: She's definitely I feel like paid the price for what
Speaker 2: went down.
Speaker 1: There has been another part of this story which I
Speaker 1: think has added to the negativity that has been playing
Speaker 1: out across social media, and that is that so many
Speaker 1: people are saying that this is a publicity stunt, that
Speaker 1: actually Jackson and Olivia and their publicity agent, Max Markson
Speaker 1: are all in on this, that this is something that
Speaker 1: has been orchestrated, and that it was a planned publicity stunt.
Speaker 1: Now for someone I mean, I know there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of you who don't agree with me, and
Speaker 1: that's okay, But for someone who's been in the reality
Speaker 1: TV world for a long time. I just do not
Speaker 1: buy this. I don't think anyone's going to set up
Speaker 1: a publicity stunt that undermines their relation, because the most
Speaker 1: valuable thing that Olivia and Jackson have coming out of
Speaker 1: mass is that they are in love. When you're a
Speaker 1: reality TV contestant and you come out of a show
Speaker 1: and you're actually in a happy couple, like, it's almost
Speaker 1: like you two verse the world, you two against everything,
Speaker 1: and the two of them are so much more valuable
Speaker 1: together than what they are. If everybody in Australia thinks
Speaker 1: that he's a cheater and that she's a piece of shit, Look.
Speaker 2: My personal opinion is I cannot see why anyone would
Speaker 2: want to blow themselves up anymore when you're in the
Speaker 2: situation that Olivia is in. I don't think there's anything
Speaker 2: to be gained by doing a publicity stunt that your
Speaker 2: partner just cheated on you when you're already in the
Speaker 2: depths of despair. Nothing good can come from that. And
Speaker 2: like you said, Laura, people want the happy ever after
Speaker 2: people you were stronger together. She wouldn't want to throw
Speaker 2: any more wood on the fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's totally humiliating. At what point does
Speaker 1: the punishment outweigh the crime, the crime of behaving badly
Speaker 1: on reality TV? When does the bullying become too much?
Speaker 1: And when does the the public outrage the public hate?
Speaker 1: At what point do we stop and go Okay, I
Speaker 1: think this person suffered enough for the way that they behaved.
Speaker 1: When will we be happy? Is it when they think
Speaker 1: that their life isn't worth living? Is it when they
Speaker 1: get to a point where they have nothing and they
Speaker 1: feel like such a piece of shit that they take
Speaker 1: their own life. The reason why I got so upset
Speaker 1: when I saw this playing out on social media over
Speaker 1: the weekend was because a couple of weeks ago, Olivia
Speaker 1: came out and she said, now this is in articles.
Speaker 1: She has reported this to journalists. She said, I am suicidal.
Speaker 1: The only reason why I haven't taken my life is
Speaker 1: because of my boyfriend Jackson. Because one she's so grateful
Speaker 1: for what she has with him. Two she feels like
Speaker 1: she didn't want to put him in a situation where
Speaker 1: he would come home and find her. That was the
Speaker 1: one thing that gave her hope when the rest of
Speaker 1: Australia fucking hates her And now she's lost that, and
Speaker 1: not only has she lost that, but half of Australia
Speaker 1: are reveling in her suffering. And I just think it
Speaker 1: felt sick to me to see all these comments play out.
Speaker 1: And I really want to make sure that this message
Speaker 1: is driven home to anyone listening, because I know that
Speaker 1: there's going to be so many people who watch maths
Speaker 1: who are like, no, she behaved terribly, she deserves this.
Speaker 1: We all know how hurtful it is to be cheated on,
Speaker 1: Like being cheated on fucking sucks. Could you imagine being
Speaker 1: cheated on and then every single person who's commenting on
Speaker 1: these pictures saying not only that you deserve it, but
Speaker 1: they're happy that it happened to you, and that finally
Speaker 1: that person's seen the light and that it's not home wrecking,
Speaker 1: it's a home improvement. You just would feel so worthless
Speaker 1: as a human being.
Speaker 2: Well for me, Laur, I'm not going to speak on
Speaker 2: the half of you, but I do know that you
Speaker 2: feel this way too. There are not many things that
Speaker 2: I hate more in the whole world than bullying. And
Speaker 2: I don't understand why people cannot dislike someone or something
Speaker 2: or have opinions without physically going to tell a stranger
Speaker 2: that they should kill themselves, or that they're scum, or
Speaker 2: that they should get cancer. And these are the things
Speaker 2: that are literally written every single day. And I know
Speaker 2: our listeners, our listeners are so beautiful, and you guys
Speaker 2: are not the Yeah, we are not talking to you
Speaker 2: about you. Guys, Think back to when you were at
Speaker 2: school and maybe somebody said something nasty to you one person.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was someone you liked to crush or a
Speaker 2: boyfriend or a friend, or someone said something mean at
Speaker 2: any age, teenager, child, maybe it's an adult, maybe it's
Speaker 2: a coworker. Think of how horrible that made you feel,
Speaker 2: and think of how long you've held onto that comment
Speaker 2: for now, Imagine if that was happening times one thousand, times,
Speaker 2: ten thousand, times, hundreds of times, hundreds of thousands, and
Speaker 2: with no reprieve, incessantly all day, publicly on all platforms,
Speaker 2: on all mediaut then privately in your DM's messages. Imagine
Speaker 2: how that would make you feel. Because that's what's happening
Speaker 2: right now. And at the end of the day, it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter who's on the other side. That person's a
Speaker 2: human being, doesn't matter what they've done. And I say
Speaker 2: that within context. We're not talking about murderers here. This
Speaker 2: is like we're talking about someone that did something really,
Speaker 2: really shit and we don't agree with it, but they
Speaker 2: are a human at the end of the day, and
Speaker 2: they have publicly come out and said I'm suicidal. How
Speaker 2: can we listen to somebody say that and then continue
Speaker 2: to attack them knowing that we are pushing them over
Speaker 2: the edge. That's where it's too much for me.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess it's that question of like who is
Speaker 1: deserving of the empathy, who is deserving of the kindness,
Speaker 1: And like, we had this an interesting conversation and Keisha
Speaker 1: said this, It's like, it's not that she's deserving necessarily
Speaker 1: of your compassion, but don't give anything, Like you.
Speaker 2: Have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all. It's
Speaker 2: the age old saying yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's that hypocritical conversation of like, matching somebody else's
Speaker 1: nastiness with your own nastiness doesn't negate their nastiness, Like
Speaker 1: it just makes everybody a fucking asshole. Like nobody wins
Speaker 1: in that situation. And I guess one of the really
Speaker 1: important parts of this is that there have been numerous
Speaker 1: people who have committed suicide off the back of reality TV.
Speaker 1: This hasn't happened in Australia yet, but I guarantee it
Speaker 1: is a matter of time until we take it too far,
Speaker 1: until the public bullies them into a point where they
Speaker 1: feel as though they don't have an out and that
Speaker 1: nobody wants them to exist, and that they are nothing,
Speaker 1: that they are scum.
Speaker 2: There are reports that so far, and this is worldwide,
Speaker 2: thirty eight people have committed suicide off the back of
Speaker 2: reality TV, and almost all of those have come from
Speaker 2: the fact that they have publicly been brought down incessant bullying. Unfortunately.
Speaker 2: The most recent death was Love Island UK host Carolyn Flack. Now,
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people will remember that she
Speaker 2: had a really, really hard time. Before that, we had
Speaker 2: a few big Love Island UK contestants. One of them
Speaker 2: was Sophie Gradden and pretty soon after she was found,
Speaker 2: her boyfriend also committed suicide and it was really tragic.
Speaker 2: In one of her final interviews, her last interview that
Speaker 2: she did, she said, there would be so many negative comments.
Speaker 2: They are commenting on the way you look, the way
Speaker 2: you talk. They would come up with an opinion of
Speaker 2: you on a TV show where they've watched you for
Speaker 2: forty five minutes. You've probably only I've seen ten minutes
Speaker 2: of it cut down from twenty four hours. It was
Speaker 2: very hard to deal with because you take it like
Speaker 2: you're being judged. It can really get into your mind
Speaker 2: and really affect you. The harsh reality is it can
Speaker 2: end up with that person taking their own life. That
Speaker 2: was her very final interview and she three months later
Speaker 2: committed suicide. Knowing that this is happening and knowing that
Speaker 2: is off the back of people strangers commenting horrific things
Speaker 2: on their Instagram. Now we see our own local Australian
Speaker 2: reality TV contestant, whether you like her or not, she
Speaker 2: has come out and publicly said the same thing, and
Speaker 2: yet we continue to go for her and tear her
Speaker 2: down like she's not a human being with human feelings.
Speaker 1: And because people don't believe it. That's the thing, right,
Speaker 1: Like there's this caveat people are like, well, no, you're
Speaker 1: a bad person, so I don't believe that you have
Speaker 1: feelings because the thing about reality TV is that it
Speaker 1: makes people one dimensional. Even if they are a villain,
Speaker 1: they are a one dimensional villain. They are horrible virle
Speaker 1: like they're just someone who's not deserving of any kindness
Speaker 1: whatsoever because they don't have kindness in their body. But
Speaker 1: then then the the other flip side of that is
Speaker 1: nobody talks about the fact that throughout all of Olivia's
Speaker 1: twenties that she took care of her dad who was dying.
Speaker 1: You know, there is compassion and kindness in her. We
Speaker 1: just haven't seen it because it didn't play out across TV.
Speaker 1: I know that there are going to be people listening
Speaker 1: to this who were like, fuck you, Lauren Brittany, you
Speaker 1: shouldn't be standing up for a villain. And it's not
Speaker 1: easy to go against the mob, right, it would be
Speaker 1: much easier for us to sit here and not say
Speaker 1: anything at all.
Speaker 2: And we have no connection to any of these people
Speaker 2: from that show, by the way, And this isn't us
Speaker 2: necessarily standing up for a villain either. It is us
Speaker 2: talking about a situation as a whole that has gone
Speaker 2: too far totally.
Speaker 1: And that's what I mean, Like, it would be so
Speaker 1: much easier to say nothing, because then we wouldn't cop
Speaker 1: any of the criticism. I copped a lot of criticism
Speaker 1: over the weekend from people who told me to shut
Speaker 1: my fucking mouth, and that I didn't know what I
Speaker 1: was talking about, and that she deserves it. And my
Speaker 1: point isn't whether she does or doesn't deserve it. My
Speaker 1: point is just leave the girl alone, because at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, you don't want to be responsible
Speaker 1: for someone's complete erosion of their mental health. And all
Speaker 1: of us, every single one of us, want to be
Speaker 1: a better person. That we're not reveling in somebody else's suffering,
Speaker 1: that we're not happy about somebody else feeling like a
Speaker 1: piece of shit.
Speaker 2: Also, I think people don't realize this is actually a
Speaker 2: fact too, Like it takes more muscles and strength to
Speaker 2: frown than be happy. Yeah, it does to be angry
Speaker 2: than it does to be happy. So people can serve
Speaker 2: your energy, redirect your energy, put it somewhere else. I
Speaker 2: don't think we need to use the last ounces of
Speaker 2: energy at the end of the day to go and
Speaker 2: bring somebody else down. This is just my opinion. Definitely
Speaker 2: have your opinion. If you want to talk about your
Speaker 2: opinion with your friends and have those conversations, that's okay.
Speaker 2: Please do not go and write on someone's profile with
Speaker 2: the masses with the pileon. Maybe just because you've heard
Speaker 2: someone else say it, or we've seen some other media
Speaker 2: outlets say And there are media outlets there that are
Speaker 2: purely driven to be pushing people against other people.
Speaker 1: We know that being super conscious about what you're consuming,
Speaker 1: what media are you consuming, what accounts do you follow,
Speaker 1: what podcasts do you listen to, there are definitely media
Speaker 1: out there. They hang on the edge of drama and gossip,
Speaker 1: and they ignite and incite this sort of hate, like
Speaker 1: this sort of vile hate. They thrive off it. That's
Speaker 1: how they get their clicks, that's how they get their downloads.
Speaker 1: It is a currency for them that you get so
Speaker 1: angry that you want to say these horrible things forgetting
Speaker 1: that there's a person at the bottom of that pile.
Speaker 1: And that's the whole essence of pile on culture, of
Speaker 1: cancel culture. I think if you follow these accounts like
Speaker 1: take this moment, if you listen to this, and you're like, yeah, actually,
Speaker 1: do you know what it is exhausting seeing so much
Speaker 1: hate on my social media. It is exhausting, just like
Speaker 1: getting down in the trenches of bringing somebody else down,
Speaker 1: even if you don't like them. Use this opportunity to
Speaker 1: go and unfollow, and be a really conscious consumer of
Speaker 1: the content that you're taking in every day, because you
Speaker 1: might see those comments and you might scroll past. Whereas
Speaker 1: you could stop giving that person your likes, you can
Speaker 1: stop giving that account your engagement, because engagement equals dollars.
Speaker 1: And also, I really like encourage. If you do see
Speaker 1: someone bullying somebody else, even if you think that they
Speaker 1: may be deserving of it, even if you think that
Speaker 1: their values don't align with you, it's okay to call
Speaker 1: it out and say, hey, guys, I don't like this person,
Speaker 1: but this is getting really fucking me. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: not cool, this is going too far, because it's okay
Speaker 1: to be the better person in this situation. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I always grew up my mum always told me it's
Speaker 1: cool to be kind that lens, and it is true.
Speaker 2: It is definitely. You are way cooler and you're a
Speaker 2: way better person if you are a good person in
Speaker 2: social media. And like you said, Laura, you choose what
Speaker 2: you listen to, you choose what you watch, you choose
Speaker 2: what you can chume, you choose who you follow. So
Speaker 2: all we can ask is that you take some consideration
Speaker 2: and remember how powerful your words are. Because they really,
Speaker 2: truly could be the difference in someone having a great
Speaker 2: day and a really, really fucking bad day.
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like we've covered enough of that, and
Speaker 1: look at it is a heavier topic, and I know
Speaker 1: that there will be people out there who don't agree,
Speaker 1: and that is absolutely okay. We don't expect you guys
Speaker 1: to come here and listen to us because it's an
Speaker 1: echo chamber. It is all right for everybody to have
Speaker 1: different opinions. However, ultimately, I hope that we can all
Speaker 1: agree on the fact that being nice and being a
Speaker 1: good human certainly isn't going to go out of fashion
Speaker 1: anytime soon. But it is time for our favorite segment,
Speaker 1: and that is one that's a little bit more uplifting
Speaker 1: than that and it is accidentally unfiltered. All right, I
Speaker 1: am going to kick it off. I was out for
Speaker 1: dinner and an incredibly fancy restaurant over the weekend with
Speaker 1: my partner, his business partner, and his wife. Anyway, we're
Speaker 1: sitting down and we're having a beautiful time, and outcome
Speaker 1: the entrees or these little or dervs before the entrees
Speaker 1: actually got there, So I pick up one and I
Speaker 1: put it into my mouth, and as I do, the
Speaker 1: thing starts to expand. It looked a little bit like
Speaker 1: a marshmallow. When everybody at the table starts pissing themselves
Speaker 1: at me, and I realize it wasn't a marshmallow at all.
Speaker 1: I had just put the little expanding hand towel into
Speaker 1: my mouth and it was rapidly growing that you wash
Speaker 1: your hands and face with, you know, the thing that
Speaker 1: you put in the little thing of water, and then.
Speaker 2: It's sometimes.
Speaker 1: She hated what did she want eat it? She just
Speaker 1: started chewing on it and then realized it was a handtowel.
Speaker 1: But as she was chewing on it, it was expanding,
Speaker 1: and everyone was laughing at her.
Speaker 2: It's so funny.
Speaker 1: And then to make it worse, as everybody at the
Speaker 1: table is sitting there laughing at her, the waitress comes
Speaker 1: over and says, Oh, don't worry, it happens all the time.
Speaker 2: It does not happen.
Speaker 1: But also if it did happen all the time, as
Speaker 1: a waitress, you would just say to people, Okay, put
Speaker 1: these in the water. They expand there for your hands.
Speaker 2: That is so funny. It definitely does not have all
Speaker 2: the time. That's a great story.
Speaker 1: I just want you guys, though, if you've been to
Speaker 1: a restaurant, you've seen one of these things, but they
Speaker 1: don't look like food.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to picture it, but I don't think I
Speaker 2: can because I'm picturing just like a blatant towel.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, that these little tiny hard they were
Speaker 1: almost like little cylinders. They look like a tablet. They're
Speaker 1: a little tiny hard tablet of tower, like a really
Speaker 1: compressed airtime.
Speaker 2: Don't go to fancy enough around.
Speaker 1: When you put them in water, they expand into a
Speaker 1: hand towel.
Speaker 2: My restaurants don't give me fancy tablo tells.
Speaker 1: What is your stories? Oh well, I was just gonna
Speaker 1: tell a story.
Speaker 2: That I only just heard this morning. So this is
Speaker 2: real time story I went down. Look, guys, I don't
Speaker 2: have much of life. Everything happens at the dog park.
Speaker 1: I went at the dog pass one time at dog park.
Speaker 1: That is my life.
Speaker 2: I spend so much time at the dog park. But
Speaker 2: I have made so many friends from the dog park.
Speaker 2: Might had this guy. He's got a beautiful dog, like
Speaker 2: a little bitsa called Ellie. He saved her from a dumpster.
Speaker 2: That is not the funny part. That he's very tragic
Speaker 2: so he was telling me this story. He and a
Speaker 2: group of friends always, like once a week, for as
Speaker 2: long as they can remember, they go to one of
Speaker 2: their friend's houses out the back in this little could
Speaker 2: sag and they do a workout outside, just like a
Speaker 2: garage workout.
Speaker 1: Yeah sure, yeah.
Speaker 2: But at the back he takes his dog, Ellie. But
Speaker 2: there's like a couple of meters wall at the back
Speaker 2: and like a retaining wall quite high, and then there's
Speaker 2: an the house on top, so the street above is
Speaker 2: quite high. Now they have done this for a very
Speaker 2: long time. They're loud, it's very obviously they're there anyway.
Speaker 2: They're working out. He's top less, he's mid thirties, topless, sweating.
Speaker 2: Ellie the dog always goes So Ellie always runs up
Speaker 2: this retaining wall to that, but she always just sits
Speaker 2: up the top and looks over. She doesn't go anywhere.
Speaker 2: She disappeared, and he was like Ellie, Ellie, Ellie calling
Speaker 2: out incessantly. She wasn't coming, And he was like, well,
Speaker 2: there's a house up there. I better go on and
Speaker 2: find her. And I had been calling Ellie for like
Speaker 2: ten minutes and she hadn't come. So he goes up
Speaker 2: climbs up this retaining wall to this head to this
Speaker 2: house and he's in the backyard backing onto the house
Speaker 2: with no shirt on, no shirt on, very sweaty mid
Speaker 2: to late thirties. This is important, Ellie. He's like, Ellie
Speaker 2: trying to call out to this house. Ellie, Ellie, Ellie.
Speaker 2: You couldn't see her, Ellie, Ellie getting a bit louder.
Speaker 2: Then he sees his dog Ellie down the side of
Speaker 2: the house and he starts whistling. He's like, Ellie like that.
Speaker 2: Then this big beefed up man comes outside the house.
Speaker 2: He goes, what the fuck are you doing here in
Speaker 2: my house? He's like, I'm just I'm just getting trying
Speaker 2: to get Ellie. I've just come for Ellie. And the
Speaker 2: guy's like.
Speaker 1: Get what do you mean You've come for Ellie? And
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: He's like he's like, I'm always here, we come here,
Speaker 2: I come here once a week. He's like, I'm just
Speaker 2: I'll get Ellie and I'll be gone. And this guy
Speaker 2: went bonkers and he's like, she's seventeen.
Speaker 1: Are you doing shape?
Speaker 2: He's like, what the fuck are you doing this?
Speaker 1: And he's like, whoa whoa what. He's like, no, I swear.
Speaker 2: My dog's name's Ellie. My dog's in your house.
Speaker 1: He's like, get the fuck off my probably anyway, he.
Speaker 2: Has a seventeen year old daughter caught Ellie and these
Speaker 2: guys like, please don't beat me, like my promise, my
Speaker 2: dog he's in your house.
Speaker 1: That was so funny.
Speaker 2: He's like, I was scared for my life.
Speaker 1: This guy's thinking that he's out there a seventeen year
Speaker 1: old and that his own.
Speaker 2: Daughter, and he's topless and sweaty, and he says like
Speaker 2: me all the time, every week on a Wednesday. Anyway,
Speaker 2: that's my real Axedly, I'm filtered in What are the
Speaker 2: odds my dad would have been him to death? My
Speaker 2: dad would have just got pockets. Well, anyway, let's get
Speaker 2: into the chat with Juria.
Speaker 1: While competing in a one hundred kilometer ultra marathon in
Speaker 1: the Kimberlys in Western Australia in twenty eleven, Touria pit
Speaker 1: encountered an out of control grass fire. Now she was
Speaker 1: trapped by the flames and she suffered burns to sixty
Speaker 1: five percent of her body. Despite this huge Traumateria went
Speaker 1: against the odds surviving the fire and facing the next
Speaker 1: challenges head on. She has gone on to write three
Speaker 1: best selling books. She's a coach for forty thousand people.
Speaker 1: She is a motivational speaker, and she competes in iron
Speaker 1: Man World Championships. She walked the Kakota Trek. She's built
Speaker 1: a business, and she is a mother to two beautiful children.
Speaker 1: She's literally a superwoman, just not wearing a cage.
Speaker 2: She's absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1: And we feel so privileged to have Touria on the
Speaker 1: podcast today. Turia, we start every single episode the same way,
Speaker 1: and that is we do an accidentally unfiltered, the most
Speaker 1: embarrassing story with all our guests. It's a very humanizing
Speaker 1: way of getting to know you. I mean, you don't
Speaker 1: have to share the most embarrassing thing that's ever happened
Speaker 1: to you, but you should if you want to.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to talk about farting during sex because
Speaker 3: that's embarrassing. That's embarrassing. But like, Okay, so I was
Speaker 3: at Uni and I went to the shops and I
Speaker 3: bought heaps of cans of tuna and like a big
Speaker 3: bottle of balsamic vinagrette, and I put it in my
Speaker 3: backpack because if him back. Then it was like, you know,
Speaker 3: plastic bag's bad. And then I was running to catch
Speaker 3: my bus. So I could see the bus coming around
Speaker 3: the corner. I was like, I've just got to pedal
Speaker 3: to the matter, right, I've got to get gun. And
Speaker 3: so I'm running, running on I can fill my bag
Speaker 3: with all these cans of tuna and the big bottle
Speaker 3: of balsamic vinagrette. And in my head, I'm just like,
Speaker 3: it's just like a weight, fass, just like a weight fast,
Speaker 3: like keep going, keep going, don't miss this bus. And
Speaker 3: my bag split and so all of these cans of
Speaker 3: tuna come rolling out, and the big bottle of balsamic
Speaker 3: vinaigrette smashes on the pavement, and so I take a
Speaker 3: step into the balsamic vinagrette and I lose my balance
Speaker 3: and so I slide. So I'm sliding down the hill
Speaker 3: carving bosomic vinagrette with true the cans rolling around me,
Speaker 3: and everyone at the bus stops just staring at me.
Speaker 1: And did you get the bus?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So I got. I picked myself up, like picked
Speaker 3: up what cans I could carry in my hands, hopped
Speaker 3: on the bus, sat down. I just reaped like Bosomic
Speaker 3: Vinagrette the whole.
Speaker 2: I just love how classic it is a hit every
Speaker 2: single UNI student when you're like, I'm at Uni. So
Speaker 2: I just went to shops and got twenty five cans
Speaker 2: of tuna because that's all any UNI student can afford,
Speaker 2: or you can afford, and salad dressing, and you just
Speaker 2: spent the rest of the day breaking of it. To
Speaker 2: re up you one of the reasons, I mean, there's
Speaker 2: many reasons why we wanted to give you on the podcast,
Speaker 2: but something that you are currently doing is that you
Speaker 2: were on the Apprentice. Yes, what was it that made
Speaker 2: you want to sign up to do a reality TV show?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think I just had to do it because
Speaker 3: of the charity reason, right, that you can raise so
Speaker 3: much money for your charity. So in episode one, even
Speaker 3: though I lost that task, I still managed to raise
Speaker 3: children's thirty five grand foot enterplass. And it wasn't just me,
Speaker 3: right it all. It was a whole team. So that's amazing,
Speaker 3: that's really cool. That was a reason I decided to
Speaker 3: do it. There was a lot of good things about
Speaker 3: doing the show. So I met some really cool people.
Speaker 3: I made some really close friends. It was something I'd
Speaker 3: never done before. But there was also some aspects of
Speaker 3: it that I didn't love as much, such as working
Speaker 3: with people that you might not work with in the
Speaker 3: real world, the editing process of how they put the
Speaker 3: story together, things like that. But I knew that at
Speaker 3: the start. I knew that that was a possibility.
Speaker 2: Isn't it funny the world of reality TV if you
Speaker 2: haven't been in it yet, and then once you get
Speaker 2: thrown into it, you just realize how much and not
Speaker 2: necessarily fabricated, but how much things are like pushed along
Speaker 2: by the producers.
Speaker 3: They're definitely yeah, definitely massaged and fabricated. And I understand
Speaker 3: because it needs to be compelling TV. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, when you're in that situation, you're like, I
Speaker 3: don't give a fuck if this isn't compelling. Fuck I'm
Speaker 3: I'm not you know, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: But I guess the other question as well as is
Speaker 1: like you are so well loved, like Australia loves you,
Speaker 1: so many people know your story and you have written
Speaker 1: incredible books. You are honestly Australia's sweetheart? Was there everyone
Speaker 1: worry about going on and doing reality TV and then
Speaker 1: having your personality or the perception of yourself edited or
Speaker 1: changed by production, and were you ever worried about how
Speaker 1: that was going to be perceived by people?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was definitely, definitely was, but I still wanted
Speaker 3: to do it, and I also felt like the public,
Speaker 3: the Australian public, everyone knows that reality TV is edited.
Speaker 3: Everyone knows it's not reflective of real life. So I
Speaker 3: thought that people would be smart and savvy enough to
Speaker 3: sort figure it out.
Speaker 2: Well, this is the other thing, right, people, I get
Speaker 2: so invested in the in reality to be in these
Speaker 2: characters and they really feel like they know you. But
Speaker 2: for you, I think it was never gonna be a
Speaker 2: worry for your narrative to be flipped because you have
Speaker 2: presented yourself to Australia so much previously with your books
Speaker 2: and you're speaking, So even if they tried to flip
Speaker 2: you and make you look like something you're not, You're like, look,
Speaker 2: I've been in a spotlight for ten years, like people
Speaker 2: know my story, so I feel like you were safe.
Speaker 2: But let's go back to when Australia did meet you
Speaker 2: back in twenty eleven. Can you and I'm sure, I'm
Speaker 2: sure you've told this story a million times, but for
Speaker 2: those that haven't heard your story, can you talk us
Speaker 2: through what happened that day?
Speaker 3: Yeah. So September twenty and eleven, I was working as
Speaker 3: a mining engineer in the Kimberley's at the Agar Diamond Wine.
Speaker 3: I loved running because it was like a bit of
Speaker 3: stressful linef after a hard day at work. So I
Speaker 3: entered an ultra marathon. So an ultra marathon is typically
Speaker 3: like anything over fifty k's, but this ultra marathon was
Speaker 3: one hundred k's. I antwered anultra marathon. A quarter of
Speaker 3: the way through the race, we were confronted with a
Speaker 3: five racing through a gorge, and there was six other
Speaker 3: runners that I was with at the time, so it
Speaker 3: wasn't just me. And the fire overtook us and I
Speaker 3: received burns to sixty five percent of my body. But
Speaker 3: immediately after getting burnt, because the fire obviously kept burning
Speaker 3: past us, I got this really weird sense of elation
Speaker 3: or joy because I thought when I was burning, I
Speaker 3: thought I was going to die. I thought this is it.
Speaker 3: I'm never I'm never going to see my beautiful partner again.
Speaker 3: And so when I was still standing, I don't know
Speaker 3: how long it was maybe like five ten seconds. I
Speaker 3: really don't know. I was elated because I was still
Speaker 3: alive and I was still standing, and I think, as well,
Speaker 3: that was my body's coping mechanism, right, you go into
Speaker 3: a bit of shock and maybe a little bit of
Speaker 3: denial about what had happened. So we waited for four
Speaker 3: hours on that desolate hillside. We got medivact out of
Speaker 3: there in the helicopter, got transferred to Kanana Hospital and
Speaker 3: I woke up a months later in a hospital in Sydney.
Speaker 3: And that was really where I think the real work
Speaker 3: began for me, because when I get asked, like, you know,
Speaker 3: was it painful being burnt alive? So that sounds quite graphic,
Speaker 3: but there's no really other way to say it, Like
Speaker 3: it was hard, but at the same time, it was
Speaker 3: like so quick and like it just happened to me,
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean. But then in hospital
Speaker 3: I had agency, I suppose, and I had to figure
Speaker 3: out my way through it. I had to figure out
Speaker 3: how I would be able to walk again, how I
Speaker 3: would be able to talk again, how'd be able to
Speaker 3: run again, how'd be able to go back to work,
Speaker 3: you know, having a family with Michael All of those
Speaker 3: things were kind of little goals or little steps that
Speaker 3: I had to take.
Speaker 2: In that moment. Was there warning that the fire was coming?
Speaker 2: Was there any way that anyone contacted you to say
Speaker 2: this is happening? Or did you literally just turn around
Speaker 2: and see it coming? And then the little group of
Speaker 2: you had to decide what to do. Which way do
Speaker 2: we run? Do we go up, do we go down?
Speaker 2: How do we like? What was what were these moments?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess because it was in a gorge, right,
Speaker 3: And so a little bit of engineering for you. So
Speaker 3: when hot air is condensed and compressed into a gorge,
Speaker 3: so into a narrow space, it creates a suction effect,
Speaker 3: which is called the ventury effect. Right, So those fire
Speaker 3: was at the start of the gorge, but because we
Speaker 3: were also in the gorge at the same time, and
Speaker 3: the ventury effect or the suction effect was pulling the
Speaker 3: fire through really really fast. It was almost like, shit,
Speaker 3: there's a fire. What do we do. Do we go
Speaker 3: up the side of the gorge there's less vegetation, but
Speaker 3: fire travels faster going up and incline, or do we
Speaker 3: go back the way we've came in? But there's a
Speaker 3: lot of vegetation, a lot of fuel for the fire.
Speaker 3: There was about spin effects grasp out up to my
Speaker 3: shoulder high. So both Troy says, we're pretty shit, and
Speaker 3: so a couple of us decided to go up the
Speaker 3: side of the gorge and the fire just completely overwhelmed
Speaker 3: us to.
Speaker 1: Real what happened to the other people that you were
Speaker 1: running with that day?
Speaker 3: So two of the guys got burnt about twenty five
Speaker 3: percent of their body. There was another woman, Kate Sanderson,
Speaker 3: who's a total legend just you know I speak with today.
Speaker 3: She got burnt around sixty five percent as well, so
Speaker 3: very similar to me. One of her feet got amputated
Speaker 3: though as a result of her burns. And then two
Speaker 3: of the guys somehow didn't get burnt at all. Well,
Speaker 3: so it was just there was no rhyme or reason.
Speaker 1: Can I ask? I know that obviously the physical recovery
Speaker 1: would have been such an intense process for you, and
Speaker 1: that would have taken and I know it did take
Speaker 1: many years and many operations, But in terms of what
Speaker 1: that mental recovery looks like, how do you start to
Speaker 1: process what's happened and kind of when do you feel
Speaker 1: like you got to a point where maybe you haven't.
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly, but where do you feel like
Speaker 1: you were like, Okay, I've got my life in order now,
Speaker 1: like I can control this and I know that I
Speaker 1: can overcome this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I've ever reached that point. It's
Speaker 3: a little bit like you know, with your job, right,
Speaker 3: how some days you love it and then other days
Speaker 3: you're like what am I doing? So I think some
Speaker 3: days I felt really in control and like I was
Speaker 3: crushing my recovery, and other days I'd be completely overwhelmed
Speaker 3: by what had happened to me. I think when you're
Speaker 3: navigating something as complex as trauma, I don't think you
Speaker 3: can do it alone to start with. So I had
Speaker 3: a really amazing psychologist who I saw regularly, who I
Speaker 3: really think was instrumental for me and my recovery. I
Speaker 3: think accepting and acknowledging what's happened. I think there's a
Speaker 3: culture of toxic positivity where we always have to put
Speaker 3: a positive spin on things. I think that is sometimes harmful.
Speaker 3: Like if something shit, it's okay to just say it's
Speaker 3: shit and just step into that and allow yourself to
Speaker 3: wallow in it for a little bit. That's been my
Speaker 3: experience as well, just accepting and acknowledging it. I also
Speaker 3: think though, that for me, I was such a young woman.
Speaker 3: I was twenty four at the time, and so I
Speaker 3: still had all of these really big milestones that I
Speaker 3: wanted to achiever, I wanted to do, such as having
Speaker 3: kids in my partner Michael, and I think for me
Speaker 3: that was a form of hope, right that things will
Speaker 3: get better and there's a lot to look forward to.
Speaker 3: And I think just the nature of burns as well
Speaker 3: is that you start off at your worst. You start
Speaker 3: off really really bad, unable to roll over, unable to
Speaker 3: wipe your own ass, unable to do the most basic, simple,
Speaker 3: everyday thing that you might have taken for granted before.
Speaker 3: But I found out that the more I worked, or
Speaker 3: the more I did my FUSO session, or the more
Speaker 3: I showed up to doing exercise, I found that I
Speaker 3: got stronger and I got better. I also think having
Speaker 3: a goal or something outside of yourself, because a lot
Speaker 3: of times we can get so stuck up in our head,
Speaker 3: and for me, I don't find being in my head
Speaker 3: a very good place to be, and so I had
Speaker 3: this goal of one day doing an iron Man, which
Speaker 3: is like a it's like the epitome of an endurance event.
Speaker 3: And so rather than thinking about this catastrophe which had
Speaker 3: happened to me, I was thinking about during my training sessions,
Speaker 3: what nutrition I was eating, how many running sessions I
Speaker 3: was doing a week, that type of thing. So I
Speaker 3: don't know if that really answers the question. I actually
Speaker 3: forgot what the original question was.
Speaker 2: Do you know what you could say anything? True? We
Speaker 2: are literally like hooked onto everyone.
Speaker 1: No, it was around how did you start that mental
Speaker 1: recovery and what was the process like? And I actually
Speaker 1: think it's so important because I guess with a lot
Speaker 1: of these things people expect, and not just specifically your story.
Speaker 1: I think with any trauma there is a hope that
Speaker 1: there's an end goal. But I think that there's always
Speaker 1: this continual working on ourselves and this continual working through
Speaker 1: the things that we go through in life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for all of us, for all of us, right,
Speaker 3: Like that's for me with this trauma that I've experienced.
Speaker 3: And if I get upset, I remind myself that it's
Speaker 3: so fine to get upset because it was a super
Speaker 3: traumatic event that no one should have to live through.
Speaker 3: But there's so many people out there in the world
Speaker 3: who have super hard, super horrible, super harring things that
Speaker 3: they have to live with, And so I don't want
Speaker 3: to paint this picture that you get to this endpoint
Speaker 3: and then you're sweet, you're happy, life's good, because I
Speaker 3: don't think that's realistic. I don't really think that's helpful
Speaker 3: for other people who are dealing with something really hard.
Speaker 3: But if anyone listening is going through something really tough
Speaker 3: right now, I would encourage you to seek some supports
Speaker 3: or a psychologist, and there's some amazing support services out there,
Speaker 3: and just also that it's okay some days to not
Speaker 3: be okay. It's just a feeling. It's not particularly comfortable.
Speaker 3: No one likes feeling sad or down or disheartened, but
Speaker 3: it is just a feeling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know if you know Em Carey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we spoke to em a little while ago.
Speaker 2: For everyone listening, she's the girl that fell from the sky.
Speaker 2: She plummeted to the ground basically when she was parachuting,
Speaker 2: and her story is absolutely an incredible story also of
Speaker 2: survival and recovery and finding herself again. But she was
Speaker 2: really honest at the start too, and she said when
Speaker 2: she woke up she wanted to die. She's like, I
Speaker 2: didn't want to live anymore. She had to go on
Speaker 2: suicide watch when she was in her hospital. Hard question, Triier,
Speaker 2: But was there ever a point that you felt that
Speaker 2: because I think it's so inspirational to see where you
Speaker 2: are now, but I think it's important to really talk
Speaker 2: about those down days too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, of course I did. Like some days I'd
Speaker 3: wake up in my hospital bed and just think, fuck,
Speaker 3: I don't want to do this. I can't do this.
Speaker 3: I'm not strong enough to do this. I don't want
Speaker 3: to be here, this is too hard. I just want
Speaker 3: to give up. I think what helped me was I
Speaker 3: had really great supports and not only from my family
Speaker 3: but also from my beautiful partner Michael, so that was
Speaker 3: definitely helpful. And I also I didn't expect too much
Speaker 3: from myself. So when I made it through another day
Speaker 3: in that I was still here, I would try and
Speaker 3: celebrate that, as trivial as it sounds, I would say,
Speaker 3: you haven't really done anything of note today, but you're
Speaker 3: still here, like you're still surviving, and that means there's
Speaker 3: still hope, and you've still got hope with your future.
Speaker 3: So I think it's almost lowering the tractations for what
Speaker 3: you're able to achieve, which sounds again counterintuitive, right because
Speaker 3: we say to ourselves, gotta set big gals, gotta reach
Speaker 3: for the stars, gotta strive, and that's all very well.
Speaker 3: But I think when you've gone through something really tough,
Speaker 3: it is okay just to focus on surviving and surviving
Speaker 3: when you're going through something really hard, is it really
Speaker 3: fucking tough?
Speaker 1: Turia, you've said a couple of times, and you're amazing,
Speaker 1: I mean your beautiful relationship with Michael, and I think
Speaker 1: that this is a love story. I followed you guys
Speaker 1: on social media, has seen you have your little children,
Speaker 1: like your two kids. When you say you're twenty four
Speaker 1: years old and you went through this experience. Was there
Speaker 1: ever a point early on where you were like, fuck,
Speaker 1: is he gonna sign up and do this hard work
Speaker 1: with me?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Is he going to stick it out? And when was
Speaker 1: it that Michael kind of turned around? He was like
Speaker 1: we're in this, We're doing this together.
Speaker 3: All the way, I think part of me felt really guilty,
Speaker 3: to be honest, this catastrophe had impacted my life, and
Speaker 3: then I felt bad because it had derailed Michael's life
Speaker 3: as well, so I felt really guilty. So that was
Speaker 3: really hard. So I did try and push him away.
Speaker 3: But Michael is the most placid, easy goalie, humble bloke
Speaker 3: that is out there, and so he would just be
Speaker 3: there every day. So he'd shop in the morning at
Speaker 3: seven point thirty, and sometimes I'd be like, what are
Speaker 3: you doing here? Like go away? I don't want you here,
Speaker 3: like go away, because I just felt so guilty, and
Speaker 3: I felt like it would be easier for me if
Speaker 3: I didn't have anyone. He loved me. I know I
Speaker 3: should now that I've said other I'm like, gee, I
Speaker 3: shouldn't know. I shouldn't have riched at Michael for his
Speaker 3: dishes in this thing this morning, like that, after all
Speaker 3: he's done for me, Like, does it really matter that
Speaker 3: it opens a second time of it?
Speaker 2: I mean the answer is probably know. But you're you're
Speaker 2: entitled to that.
Speaker 3: You're singing that, Yeah, here's amazing.
Speaker 1: There's a really good conversation that comes from this as well,
Speaker 1: And like I hate that saying that you have to
Speaker 1: love yourself before someone else is going to love you,
Speaker 1: because I think that it really diminishes those periods of
Speaker 1: life where you aren't able to love yourself, and like
Speaker 1: it kind of reinforces that you're not lovable, you know.
Speaker 1: And when you tell this beautiful story that you're going
Speaker 1: through a period where you didn't feel worthy of love
Speaker 1: and you didn't necessarily love yourself at that moment because
Speaker 1: of everything else that was going on, Yeah, you're still
Speaker 1: so worthy of that. And I mean it's a beautiful
Speaker 1: story for people to hear, but also I think it's
Speaker 1: very humbling to hear you say it the way that
Speaker 1: you did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you.
Speaker 1: Turia. Is something I wanted to ask you, and I
Speaker 1: read your book last year on happiness, and yeah, I mean, firstly,
Speaker 1: why is the aspiration of happiness so ridiculous? I think
Speaker 1: is probably the best place to start. Why do you
Speaker 1: think that we kind of or why we shouldn't prize
Speaker 1: happiness as the end goal?
Speaker 3: I think because it's so fleeting, it's ephemeral, right, Like
Speaker 3: I think some days we are really happy and stoked
Speaker 3: and frothy and enthusiastic and excited, and when we feel
Speaker 3: those feelings, we should lean into them and we should
Speaker 3: go with them, and we should we should be grateful
Speaker 3: that we feel that way. But we shouldn't beat ourselves
Speaker 3: up when we feel tired or stressed or anxious, horizonful,
Speaker 3: or guilty or diminished, because all of those are feelings
Speaker 3: and they're very valid and they're very normal, and we
Speaker 3: all feel like that. And so I like to describe
Speaker 3: happiness as it's the journey. It's not about the destination.
Speaker 3: There's no day in the future where we have the
Speaker 3: best job in the world and the best partner in
Speaker 3: the world and perfect children that will be happy, because
Speaker 3: we might be for a couple of days, but then
Speaker 3: something will inevitably happen.
Speaker 1: Some days Michael is going to open up two types
Speaker 1: of yogurt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's going to really piss me up. It's
Speaker 3: going to piss me off, and you'll be like, why
Speaker 3: would you do that? What saying person opens up a
Speaker 3: second type of yogurt when there's wine, what.
Speaker 2: Are we going to do with the first hub?
Speaker 1: He's a mediac.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's crazy, he's out there.
Speaker 1: What do you think from all the people that you
Speaker 1: interviewed in creating this book to walk away with one lesson?
Speaker 1: And I know this is a very hard question. But
Speaker 1: what was like the most profound thing that you walked
Speaker 1: away from when writing that book? And we're like that
Speaker 1: that stuck with me.
Speaker 3: I think I interviewed Eddie Jaku, who is a Holocaust survivor,
Speaker 3: and he had a really simple but really profound outlook
Speaker 3: on happiness, and it was basically, just tell people that
Speaker 3: you love them, make time for relationships. If you don't
Speaker 3: feel happier, then that's fine, which I just found it
Speaker 3: was just it was like so simple of it, so
Speaker 3: so profound, and also to be to try and be
Speaker 3: grateful for this thing that we call life and just
Speaker 3: acknowledge that it's not always great. It's not always sunshine
Speaker 3: and roses, but that doesn't mean it's not still a
Speaker 3: really magical journey that we get to do.
Speaker 2: You just mentioned speaking about happiness, and I think this
Speaker 2: is something that a lot of humans do and we
Speaker 2: really need to check ourselves, is that we do always
Speaker 2: chase something. So it's like, oh, if I can just
Speaker 2: get that promotion, I'll be happy. If I can just
Speaker 2: get a partner, or be happy if I can just
Speaker 2: get that overseas trip, if I can just get a house,
Speaker 2: I can just get a dog, and it's this perpetual
Speaker 2: like chasing the happiness, and all of a sudden years
Speaker 2: have gone past, you're still not happy because you're still
Speaker 2: wanting more. So I think there's this real lesson in
Speaker 2: trying to sit in the day and in the moment
Speaker 2: and try and look around you and be grateful for
Speaker 2: what you are. And I think that's obviously what you
Speaker 2: were talking about in your book, is to not chase
Speaker 2: these things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it sounds counterintuitive, right that it's about learning
Speaker 3: to be happy with your life as it is. So
Speaker 3: it sounds very counter to type A personalities which I
Speaker 3: you know, which which I am one of. And I
Speaker 3: think it's It is definitely great to make progress and
Speaker 3: to work on things that you love and to work
Speaker 3: towards goals, but I think it's really important as well
Speaker 3: to be happy or to be satisfied with the life
Speaker 3: that you have. Look for the little pockets of joy,
Speaker 3: whether that's catching up with a girlfriend for a coffee,
Speaker 3: or picking up your kids a little bit earlier from school,
Speaker 3: or going down to the beach one other with your family,
Speaker 3: just that kind of simple stuff. Leaning into it and
Speaker 3: savoring it. I've found with me over the past ten
Speaker 3: years has helped.
Speaker 1: You are truly the definition of ambition and resilience. To
Speaker 1: go from having the experience the traumatic experience that you
Speaker 1: had to being able to then get back into marathon running,
Speaker 1: to having two children, to writing books, being an incredible
Speaker 1: public speaker, to having a podcast. There's so many. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've just gone tick tick tick tick team, I know, right,
Speaker 1: But what do you think that your experience and like
Speaker 1: how you show up in life has kind of taught
Speaker 1: you about what is achievable and what you can do
Speaker 1: as a person.
Speaker 3: To start with, I feel really lucky because I genuinely
Speaker 3: love the work that I do. Like, I love writing,
Speaker 3: I love reading, I love chatting to people. I love
Speaker 3: helping other people to run. So I genuinely love what
Speaker 3: I do, right, So I think that makes it a
Speaker 3: lot easier. If you love what you do, it doesn't
Speaker 3: really feel like work obviously, Like with everything, there's some
Speaker 3: aspects of it that I'm like, fuck, I hate this
Speaker 3: this shit is seeing it.
Speaker 1: Ever, hopefully that's not right now, especially especially when you're
Speaker 1: like juggling to little kids and you're sleep deprived and
Speaker 1: you've got everything else going only I got a book
Speaker 1: in and I remember seeing that you had gone and
Speaker 1: had another surgery at one point in time, where you
Speaker 1: were like, I've just had a surgery. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: deal with the kids. There's so many things and factors
Speaker 1: that I'm still dealing with in life, and things just
Speaker 1: pile up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do. So I think again, this sounds really
Speaker 3: counterintuitive to achievement culture or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 3: But I just have a practice of just showing up,
Speaker 3: whatever it is, showing up, showing out to the gym,
Speaker 3: just doing my training session. Even if I do a
Speaker 3: pathetic job, I'm still there. I'm still doing another session.
Speaker 3: I'm still making progress with writing. It's not about trying
Speaker 3: to sit down and write a masterpiece. It's just fucking
Speaker 3: just write every day twenty minutes, even if what you
Speaker 3: write is completely inane and dribble. But it's like, you
Speaker 3: just show up. You focus on being consistent, you focus
Speaker 3: and taking those small steps. I'd love to sit down
Speaker 3: and go away for a couple of weeks, go on
Speaker 3: a writing retreat, write every day, drink greensmth is, That's
Speaker 3: not going to happen. So I've got to be satisfied
Speaker 3: with putting the kids to bed, getting out of bed,
Speaker 3: writing down. If I write for ten minutes or for
Speaker 3: twenty minutes or whatever, it's still a wind because at
Speaker 3: least I've done that bit of work. And I think
Speaker 3: it's again so often. You know, we might go to
Speaker 3: the gym three times in a week. I'm using examples
Speaker 3: of physical stuff because I find it's easier to conceptualize.
Speaker 3: But you know, there's no point betting yourself up because
Speaker 3: you slept in that day. Just get over it, get
Speaker 3: up the next day, go to the gym. But this
Speaker 3: running program right from arms, and I feel like the
Speaker 3: stuff we talk about is just showing up getting it done.
Speaker 3: If you're not happy with your run, that's fine. You're
Speaker 3: gonna have some shit runs. Just keep showing up and
Speaker 3: try and be consistent with it, and then it's not
Speaker 3: really rocket science. You just get whatever you're doing right.
Speaker 3: You get better at it if you do it regularly enough.
Speaker 3: Like with your podcast. I'm sure at the start maybe
Speaker 3: you girls weren't as awesome as you are now.
Speaker 4: It's hard to listen to, to be honest, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 4: And you've just gotten better because you've done it so
Speaker 4: much and you're learning from your mistakes and you're getting
Speaker 4: feedback and how you can do things differently or how
Speaker 4: you could improve it, and you just get better.
Speaker 1: So how long was it after you had your first
Speaker 1: sort of operations and through your recovery that you got
Speaker 1: back into your running.
Speaker 3: It probably was. I remember in the first sixty minutes
Speaker 3: thing I did that was probably maybe like a year,
Speaker 3: and I ran, like you know how they make you
Speaker 3: run with the cameras and I was like, okay, yep,
Speaker 3: So I ran it was like maybe five or ten meters,
Speaker 3: and I just would focus on those small wins that
Speaker 3: I did or those small achievements, and I'd focus on
Speaker 3: being consistent with the work that I was doing and
Speaker 3: trying to show up. And the same could be said
Speaker 3: for relationships too, right, like showing up for your family,
Speaker 3: showing up for your partner, showing up for your friends,
Speaker 3: being consistent.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that when you say these things,
Speaker 1: they can seem like such simple steps. And I think,
Speaker 1: for example, anyone who's had a baby knows how hard
Speaker 1: it can be getting back into exercise. It can feel overwhelming,
Speaker 1: it can feel daunting, all those sorts of things totally.
Speaker 1: But when you put that on a spectrum of comparison,
Speaker 1: which I mean not that it's a healthy thing to do,
Speaker 1: but like comparing how it must have felt to get
Speaker 1: back out there and go for that very first run.
Speaker 1: To now look at where you are now and what
Speaker 1: an accomplished runner you are, that you're helping other people
Speaker 1: getting back into their whatever obstacle that they've had in
Speaker 1: terms of their fitness. It's a truly incredible thing to see.
Speaker 1: And I just I mean, you're an amazing woman and
Speaker 1: we're so grateful to have you on the podcast today
Speaker 1: to be able to share not just parts of your story,
Speaker 1: but to be able to share the wisdom that you
Speaker 1: have come to sort of no one understand over these years.
Speaker 2: Juie, how far are you running now? What do you
Speaker 2: what's your what's your sched what's your schedule?
Speaker 3: Like much my schedule. I'm not running that far, eh,
Speaker 3: because we've just moved up to Port Douglas because Michael's
Speaker 3: a helicopter pilot.
Speaker 2: Yes, I want to ask you about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we don't have any family up here, which
Speaker 3: is quite hard with the kids. So I would probably
Speaker 3: run not that far, like maybe five ten K's.
Speaker 2: Speaking about Michael, and you've been a helicopter pilot. Just
Speaker 2: tell us about that, because I read something about him
Speaker 2: wanting to pursue this, and this is his dream off
Speaker 2: the back of what happened to you, the fact that
Speaker 2: a helicopter, you know, helped get you out of your accident.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. The reason that I'm here, the
Speaker 3: reason that I'm speaking to two, is that there was
Speaker 3: a helicopter pilot who wasn't part of a coordinated search
Speaker 3: and rescue team, who was basically just a helicopter flying
Speaker 3: tourists around. He heard about our accident and he flew out.
Speaker 3: He balanced on one skid of the helicopter. He took
Speaker 3: Kate Sanderson first because she seemed to be worse at
Speaker 3: the time, and then he came back and got me.
Speaker 3: And that's a very dangerous thing to do. You're not
Speaker 3: supposed to balance on one skid, particularly if you don't
Speaker 3: have the training of the colonifications like he wasn't, like
Speaker 3: I said, a search and rescue man or anything. So
Speaker 3: I think I'll be forever grateful to that man.
Speaker 1: PAULA.
Speaker 3: Creeps is his name, and I think that was part
Speaker 3: of their inspiration for what I'm Michael. I wanted to
Speaker 3: be a helicopter pilot.
Speaker 2: Wow, so that man literally saved your life.
Speaker 3: Literally, Like if we had been there without medical assistance, Like,
Speaker 3: I don't think we wouldn't have survived the night.
Speaker 2: It's hard to believe. It's still hard to believe it
Speaker 2: even happened. I mean, like it's easy for me to
Speaker 2: say that, but listening to you tell your story is
Speaker 2: it's very incredible and it's super inspirational. And we can't
Speaker 2: thank you enough for coming on and talking to us today.
Speaker 2: And I don't want to ever end this interview. I
Speaker 2: could talk to you first. I know, we know that
Speaker 2: you have to go for days on end, but we
Speaker 2: know that you have to go. If you could leave
Speaker 2: one piece of advice for the listeners now that you
Speaker 2: have learnt in you know, you've you've lived many years
Speaker 2: in your life, what would it be.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I'm not that old, but like
Speaker 3: I'm still young man, I've still got I'm only thirty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're my age, trust me, but I feel it.
Speaker 2: I feel the back aches.
Speaker 3: I feel back aches too. I've lined the kids, I've
Speaker 3: mined the kids. I think, honestly, just accept that happiness
Speaker 3: is fleeting and it's ephemeral. You might not be happy
Speaker 3: all the time, and there's there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3: And secondly, with whatever it is that you're trying to
Speaker 3: do in life, whether you've got your own podcast or
Speaker 3: you want a job promotion or whatever it is, just
Speaker 3: try showing up. Just be consistent with what you're doing,
Speaker 3: and it's not magic. You'll just get better at it
Speaker 3: and you'll make progress and your goals.
Speaker 2: One foot in front of the other.
Speaker 3: That's it, mate, Kate Walking.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much Toia Eat Walking, Thanks so much for
Speaker 1: coming on, and we will continue to watch you on
Speaker 1: Celebrity Apprentice. All Right, guys, you know that we never
Speaker 1: finished an episode without our suck and our sweet, our
Speaker 1: highlight and our low light of each and every week, preening, hocky,
Speaker 1: what was yours sucky? Fuck?
Speaker 2: It's pretty funny. This is actually tie. I can't work
Speaker 2: out if it's my suck all my sweet because it sucks,
Speaker 2: because it's embarrassing. But that's why it's also my sweet
Speaker 2: because it was so funny. You guys might have seeing
Speaker 2: that Stranger Things has come out on Netflix like this
Speaker 2: the new series, because it's it's everywhere.
Speaker 1: Also, this is not sponsored. Just no, it's not. We're
Speaker 1: not telling you to go watch it.
Speaker 2: It's just I haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 1: It's literally been on every single platform ever. And also
Speaker 1: in real life.
Speaker 2: Like Stranger Things are absolutely pushing out the sponsorship to
Speaker 2: get on everywhere that you look.
Speaker 1: Why don't those sponsor of this podcast.
Speaker 2: I don't know for free. They pushed it out everywhere
Speaker 2: except for Life on Cut. But part of this big
Speaker 2: rollout right is and some of you might have seen
Speaker 2: it go around on social media, some of you might not.
Speaker 2: But on Bond Eyed Beach they took over and they
Speaker 2: had this big, like fake.
Speaker 1: It's an art installation basically, yes.
Speaker 2: But it's it is huge, Like how big do you
Speaker 2: think this is? Laura? Like fifty meters?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's not fifty Have you been down
Speaker 1: there now? I haven't.
Speaker 2: I just threw a phono of it.
Speaker 1: No, it's like ten meters, maybe twelve meters.
Speaker 2: That makes me feel better.
Speaker 1: I saw it in real life on Thursday night.
Speaker 2: But it's like, you can just google the picture now
Speaker 2: if you haven't seen it. It's this big looks it's
Speaker 2: supposed to look like this big sea creature has come
Speaker 2: out the beach right, and then the bond I Rescue
Speaker 2: were involved and they did all these fake skits about like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, what's washed up here? And there were
Speaker 2: people in contamination suits.
Speaker 1: It looked pretty legit. Yeah, they had like a scientist
Speaker 1: down there and has matt suits, like pretending like they
Speaker 1: were testing it. It was a very full on and
Speaker 1: extensive activation for marketing.
Speaker 2: But that way, well, they've got free advertised on Life
Speaker 2: one card, so it did well.
Speaker 1: I'm going to speak to our sales manager like, why
Speaker 1: the fuck did they not sponsor this podcast episode?
Speaker 2: Well that's me, sorry, my mad I really let the
Speaker 2: ball sleep on that one.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: But what happened was Keisha and I were together doing
Speaker 2: some work and Keisha's friend sent us the photos from
Speaker 2: Western Australia and they were like, oh my god, have
Speaker 2: you seen what's on Bondie Beach? Is this real? And
Speaker 2: Keisha opened it and showed me and we were both like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is insane. This is the biggest
Speaker 2: octopus has ever washed up on Bondi Beach.
Speaker 1: You thought it was real? You thought it was real?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we thought it was real just from the picture.
Speaker 2: But we were like, should we go down? Oh, this
Speaker 2: is crazy, like this has come from the depths of
Speaker 2: the sea. But I mean, in our defense, it's not
Speaker 2: the lock Nest monster, Brittany, that's what it looks like.
Speaker 2: Oh my, but if you, Laura, I have watched some
Speaker 2: deep sea David Attenborough, those creatures do exist.
Speaker 1: So I never thought that they've watched. Okay, if that
Speaker 1: was real, they would have had it more than just
Speaker 1: like one little tiny warning security tape around it.
Speaker 2: Well, the photo that we saw was just this octopus right,
Speaker 2: people watching, like mingling around watching, and then heaps of
Speaker 2: haz matt suits. I actually said to Keisha, must be real,
Speaker 2: they've got hazmat suits. Anyway, I can't work out that's
Speaker 2: my socker, my sweet.
Speaker 1: What was your sweet bed? My sweet?
Speaker 2: Was I went and got a coffee this morning and
Speaker 2: walked with Delilah and running too. Hamish Blake as in
Speaker 2: Hamish and Andy.
Speaker 1: People know how Hamish Lakers.
Speaker 2: He's not very popular. You might not know who is.
Speaker 1: Do you want to describe what's it from? What does
Speaker 1: he do with himself these days? Or he's got a
Speaker 1: number one podcast?
Speaker 2: Does Hamish?
Speaker 3: Anyway?
Speaker 2: I said hello, obviously, I was like, oh hey, Harry.
Speaker 2: She was hey, I was like, I'm Brittany from Life
Speaker 2: on CUD podcast ready to show. Anyway, we had a
Speaker 2: great old chat for about half an hour and he
Speaker 2: is even funnier in real life than he is from
Speaker 2: his show.
Speaker 1: And he literally walked away from that conversation and was like,
Speaker 1: I'm no fucking I do that? Girls Like, who the hell? No?
Speaker 2: He was so great. He was like, love the pod.
Speaker 2: You guys should be beating us every week. He did
Speaker 2: not say that. It was a really nice moment because
Speaker 2: I guess, along with the rest of Australia, I think
Speaker 2: both Hamish and Andy are so brilliant. I think Hamish's
Speaker 2: so funny, and I guess I was a little fangirl.
Speaker 1: I played it cool.
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, I'm Brett, and then we sat
Speaker 2: down had a coffee half now, but like inside, I
Speaker 2: was like, we're screaming and in real time, if you
Speaker 2: guys listen to ham sheh Andy you'll know what I'm
Speaker 2: talking about. But someone was jogging past and then stopped
Speaker 2: and he was like.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, can I have a dollor?
Speaker 2: And Hami's got off and we didn't have him door.
Speaker 2: So it was a real moment that we had but
Speaker 2: that was it. That was my sweet. I just was
Speaker 2: look at my fan girl moment this morning.
Speaker 1: That's very, very cute.
Speaker 2: Do you think he is going to his podcast now
Speaker 2: and saying that his sweet this week was meeting me or.
Speaker 1: No, I'm gonna say probably not.
Speaker 2: Not even know.
Speaker 1: He was just waiting for the cook Brian. He's like,
Speaker 1: we sad we had gover half now. He was just
Speaker 1: like waiting for his coffee to be served up. Then
Speaker 1: left straight away and she was like, we had coffee together.
Speaker 1: He was like backing away slowly. I'm following him and
Speaker 1: I was like it was totally a moment, like you're
Speaker 1: walking together down the street and he was just drying.
Speaker 2: He's like at his house trying to get inside.
Speaker 1: Alright, okay, what's your side. My suck for the week
Speaker 1: is that we have rising, damp and mold in our house.
Speaker 1: It is so bad. We moved, Like if you guys
Speaker 1: have followed the pod for a little while, you would
Speaker 1: know we moved to a new house in Bronti a
Speaker 1: couple of months ago. Beautiful, how the house is beautiful.
Speaker 1: We're paying through our teeth for it. And since all
Speaker 1: this rain, bloody is it? El Nina Lolnino. Whatever it
Speaker 1: is the rain that never ends off ow. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like swimming in water. A house is so damp. I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm in I don't know, where's a really
Speaker 1: humid place. I feel like I'm in Bali with the
Speaker 1: doors closed and a hot shower on. That is how
Speaker 1: humid our house is. And we've got to do humidi fire.
Speaker 1: But the mold, the black mold, is just growing up
Speaker 1: the walls in all the rooms. Doesn't matter what we do.
Speaker 1: Three days later, it's back, and I'm so worry that
Speaker 1: this is going to be the beginning of the end
Speaker 1: for us and our little house in Bronte.
Speaker 2: Well, you have to, yeah, you have to continuously be
Speaker 2: cleaning that because you can't have mold in your house.
Speaker 1: And you know how much I hate cleaning slash.
Speaker 2: You have to get a clean a lot. No, you
Speaker 2: have to. But I think that this is happening. All
Speaker 2: my friends have said the same thing, everyone around you.
Speaker 2: It's just we've had non stop bad weather.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and my swee for the week is that I
Speaker 1: did my very first workout in a year. And I
Speaker 1: know that sounds lame, but I haven't actually done any
Speaker 1: exercise I mean I've gone for a walk and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, but in terms of actually doing like a
Speaker 1: gym workout, I do my very first workout in the
Speaker 1: entire like since Lola has been born. I do my
Speaker 1: first workout.
Speaker 2: You went to the actual gym? No, no, No, I did
Speaker 2: it at home. Oh, but that's what you need to
Speaker 2: do homeworkout.
Speaker 1: But I like signed up for a home workout thing,
Speaker 1: and I got this home workout gym, and like it's
Speaker 1: a whole thing.
Speaker 2: And I didn't think you were looking very toned today.
Speaker 1: And my butt hurts so much that I have to
Speaker 1: lower myself onto the toilet with both my hands like
Speaker 1: an old person.
Speaker 2: Are you shredding for the wedding? Is this like a wedding?
Speaker 2: Get fits both?
Speaker 1: Na, I can't be bothered and you're already No, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm just in from stress. But that's stupid. Anyway, guys,
Speaker 1: that is it. We hope that you love the interview today.
Speaker 1: We hope you loved hearing from Teria. Pitch is just
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