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This episode is recorded on Gaddigal Land of 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:55.000 the Aurora Nation. Hi guys, Anna, welcome back to another 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:58.320 episode of Life Uncut. I'm Laura and I'm Brittany, and 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:03.480 it is absolute in a life podcast office in Commas. 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:05.560 It's not. Do you know what the problem is? Delilah 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:09.960 keeps licking my fucking feet. She won't stop licking my feet, 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:12.399 she won't stop licking my legs, she won't get out 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:14.800 from under the table, and everybody else thinks it's funny. 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:18.039 And I don't like it because I think I. 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:20.600 Think it's funny because of your reaction, like you hate 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:22.000 us so much, and I said, put some socks on. 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.640 Maybe maybe this is her way. Animals are pretty instinctive. 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:27.399 Maybe she's trying to say she'd wash your feet. 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:32.119 I had a showered this morning before I came here, 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:35.800 so I mean, although maybe maybe it's the delicious body 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:37.600 moisturize that I put on this morning. 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:39.040 Oh it could be the cocoa butter. 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:41.280 That is what I think it is. Anyway, Britt, I 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:44.280 hear that you have a little story that happened to 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.240 you on the weekend that you wanted to share. And 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:48.360 when I say Britt has a little story, it's now 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:50.920 what it's we're recording this. It's one pm in the afternoon, 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.080 and she's held on to this to tell me it 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:53.800 on the podcast. 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:56.640 It was just something funny. It's not just the groundbreaking. 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:59.240 But if you guys follow myself or produce a Keisha 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.800 on Instagram. A few nights ago, we were coming back 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:04.840 from the dog park. We took Delila down for a 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.640 quick little run. Were coming back and I almost I 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:09.800 was driving. I almost had a heart attack. I saw, 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.320 you know, when you see a dog run across a 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.280 road that is obviously lost and scared, It ran straight 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.639 in front of this car. I was like, you know, 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:20.760 you can't talk, and this car narrowly missed it and 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:23.040 then kept driving. Then another on the other side of 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:25.040 the road narrowly missed it. And this dog was like, 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.079 it wasn't just directly crossing the road, it was scared. 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:29.959 Like running down the middle of a main street like 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:30.920 that sort of yeah. 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.240 So of course we pull over, and I was like, 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:36.440 we have to save this dog because everyone's just driving 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:37.959 off like dusky. So it was getting dark. That was 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.760 definitely gonna get hit by a car. So I pull over. 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.840 Keisha runs down the street. The dog has run down 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.080 this side street off a main road and it's in 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:50.040 a cul de sac. Keisha's trying to coax it towards it, 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.760 and I come down in the car with the lead. Anyway, 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.239 we we lesue the dog and it's got no tag 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:57.280 on it, so we just thought we would capture it, 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.520 call the number. It would all be overso hag on it. 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.760 So I'm like, well, we've got to take it home. 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:05.760 So I took it back to my place with Delilah 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.440 while we put some instagrams out, which I go on 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:10.919 to the dog face the Facebook groups trying to post 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:12.959 these photos. Keisha's on dog facebook groups trying to post 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:13.520 these photos. 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.480 I did see that you had a dog in your kitchen, Yes, 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:17.920 because I didn't want to take. 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:19.840 It to the pound. Just thought I would hope someone 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.639 would stop if Delilah was on the street. That's my hope. 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.120 So we're going all out. We didn't get any responses 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:27.600 of who it was, so I thought I'll take it 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:29.760 to a late night vet and get them to micro 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:31.519 chip scan it. So we took it to the vet. 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:35.080 There was no address, the microchip didn't go anywhere, so 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.200 we're saying it the vet for ages. I'm still checking 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:41.080 all the instagrams and eventually, somehow the para social media. 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:45.320 Someone in a Visla Facebook group from Newcastle contacted somebody 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:48.800 else who recognized it from someone else who contacted Keisha's 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.400 DM and my DM and we found the owner. Now 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.000 this was this really big saga. I was like, I'm 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:56.920 gonna have to keep this dog forever. We finally had 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:58.000 life half romatic. 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.440 You got so quickly, well, I guess you're moving in now. 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:02.640 She's already renamed it, brought it a name tag. 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.040 I said, don't send this dog to the pound, like 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.240 if no one finds it, like, let me know again 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.480 and we can come back and we'll sort it out. Anyway, 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.480 the owner ends up calling Keisha, and it was a man, 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:14.800 and he was like beside himself. He's like, thank you 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.160 so much, like can we send you a vouch or whatever. 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.680 We're like, obviously, no, don't, don't be ridiculous. But he's like, 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.200 she's my pride and joy. I can't believe it. The 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:25.719 Woolworth's delivery man came to the house and left the 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.280 gate open, and that's how she got out. Now, this 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.800 went on for a little while and then Kesha's like, well, 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:33.760 where do you Where do you live? What area? Because 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:35.400 I'll tell you where we found it. Anyway, it turns 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:37.400 out we took the dog from the lawn. 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.120 Dog was on a from law and we thought we were. 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.160 Saving it, which we were saving it, but it ran 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.359 home to the lawn and that's where we captured it. 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.960 Wait, did you tell the guy that you actually ended 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:56.280 up kidnapping his dog? 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.000 So he told us where he lived, and Keisha and 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.440 I looked at each other. We were like, oh my god, 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:02.080 that's where we. 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:02.680 Took the dog. 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:07.520 We literally we literally took the dog. We saved the 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:08.600 dog from his own home. 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:13.360 I also, I also loved that the guy was trying 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:15.280 to buy you a give foucher and you're like, I'm 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:18.280 sorry that I actually kidnapped. It's petty theft. You don't 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.280 need to buy no, but actually visits are expensive. That 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:24.160 is grand theft. Anything over a thousand dollars is grand 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:25.640 theft of a dog grand theft. 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:30.279 It was so funny, But I don't feel bad because 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:32.280 we didn't. At the end of the day, we saw 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.120 what had just happened. That he did nearly get hit 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:36.040 by a cart. She sorry, she nearly got hit by 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.600 two cars. It was getting dark. We weren't to know 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:40.560 she was trying to make her way home when we 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:41.080 took her. 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.520 So it's also like, Okay, I can see the funny 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:46.599 and the irony in this, but like hilarious. But also 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.120 it's not like you snuck into someone's backyard. I was like, well, 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.840 this dog was clearly missing and unloved, and I am 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:53.480 a superdo. 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:54.800 Did you know when you have that realization? When he 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:56.280 told us the address and in our head we both 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:57.640 looked at each other and we were doing the maths, 0:05:57.640 --> 0:05:59.200 and I was like pulled up Google Maps and I 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:00.760 was like, precise, see where we took. 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.400 You over from Brittany Hockley and Keisha You are the 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.200 You are the visual anties that nobody needs. 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:08.560 That way, not all heroes wear capes. That's all I'm 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:12.520 going to say. Anyway, that was my little story. I 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:14.400 thought it was absolutely hilarious. But I think you had 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.200 a bit of an eventful weekend on social media too. 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:18.599 Well well, I mean, I think we were kind of 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:20.720 going from the highs of social media and the good 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:22.800 things that can come out of social media. I wanted 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:25.560 to talk about something that happened on the weekend that 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:27.400 if you guys follow me on Instagram, you may have 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:29.719 already seen in my stories. But it is to do 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:31.920 with this season of Maths, and it is to do 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:36.520 with this season's villain of Maths, and that was Olivia Fraser. Now, 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.760 if you're not familiar with the story that happened over 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:43.200 the weekend, her boyfriend Jackson cheated on her. 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:44.839 And this is her boyfriend from the show. 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:48.480 This is her boyfriend from the show. Now, Olivia, and 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:50.120 this is just to give you guys context. If you're 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.440 not Maths fans, Olivia was the villain of this season, 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:57.520 and rightfully so. Her behavior on the show was pretty deplorable. 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:01.479 She shared around a nude foe of Dominica that she'd 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.640 taken from OnlyFans, and she shared it around without Dominica's 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:06.800 consent to the other contestants. 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:08.560 That would completely not cool. 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.520 Disgusting, and she's been held to account. Like there have 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.440 been numerous news articles written about her. There has been 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.480 so much commentary that has played out across social media, 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.960 with everybody the public of Australia weighing in their opinions 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.800 around just how vile they think Olivia is for this. 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:27.760 But over the weekend something happened. Now The Wash, which 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:29.680 some of you might be familiar with, is a it's 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:33.640 an Instagram site that kind of reports on popular reality 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:36.760 TV news, and they posted a video of Jackson out 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:40.320 at the nightclub kissing another woman so effectively it was 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.800 a very very graphic video. You could not like, you 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.280 can't argue what he's doing. It's not like taken from 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.040 behind the scenes. Somebody standing right next to him has 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:52.160 taken a video of him kissing another woman and cheating 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:53.320 on Olivia. 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.360 Oh yeah, there's without doubt he's one hundred percent there 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.400 in the very passionate embrace he's making out with her. 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:00.800 There is no way you can say I was just 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:03.600 taking her chewing gum and somebody and somebody got this 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:05.680 awkward photo, like you know, it is what it is. 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:07.840 But what makes it even worse is that, like, and 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:09.480 all reports that have come out of this is that 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.200 Olivia was actually at the club just earlier, so her 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:14.360 and Jackson had gone out together with a group of friends, 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:16.800 she had gone home early to the hotel, and then 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:18.800 after she'd gone home early to the hotel to go 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:22.160 to sleep, he Bertie has fucking cheated on her. Now, 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:23.880 the thing I wanted to talk about here is the 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.760 fact that, yes, Olivia is the villain of that season 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:30.840 of mass but the amount of hate, the amount of vitriol, 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.600 the amount of just like pure like and I can't 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.959 even like, I mean pure hatred that she is receiving 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:40.800 across social media in a time where she's suffering, really hurt. 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.160 Like I saw this happen over the weekend, and I 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:47.640 was like, how are we all so okay with being 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:51.080 so fucking mean to someone who is so clearly suffering, 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:53.880 even if we think they deserve it? Like, even if 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:56.640 you don't like her, even if the things that she's done, 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:58.960 you think, you know what, like, yeah, like you're a 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:01.200 bad person and I'm you should be held to account. 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.360 Does that mean that you're the person or the people 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.640 who were making these comments are the people to hold 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:07.839 her to account? Do you know what I mean? 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.560 By all accounts? She I think she seems like she's 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.720 suffered tremendously since the show, in terms of the hate 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:17.840 she's received, the bullying, the work that she has lost 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:20.920 since going on the show, her personal life has suffered. 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.560 She's definitely I feel like paid the price for what 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:24.120 went down. 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:26.800 There has been another part of this story which I 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.600 think has added to the negativity that has been playing 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.840 out across social media, and that is that so many 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.720 people are saying that this is a publicity stunt, that 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:39.240 actually Jackson and Olivia and their publicity agent, Max Markson 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:41.400 are all in on this, that this is something that 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.920 has been orchestrated, and that it was a planned publicity stunt. 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.000 Now for someone I mean, I know there's gonna be 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:49.480 a lot of you who don't agree with me, and 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:51.440 that's okay, But for someone who's been in the reality 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:55.320 TV world for a long time. I just do not 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:57.920 buy this. I don't think anyone's going to set up 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:01.760 a publicity stunt that undermines their relation, because the most 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.720 valuable thing that Olivia and Jackson have coming out of 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.280 mass is that they are in love. When you're a 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:10.920 reality TV contestant and you come out of a show 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:14.400 and you're actually in a happy couple, like, it's almost 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.920 like you two verse the world, you two against everything, 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.360 and the two of them are so much more valuable 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.440 together than what they are. If everybody in Australia thinks 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:26.520 that he's a cheater and that she's a piece of shit, Look. 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:29.760 My personal opinion is I cannot see why anyone would 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.960 want to blow themselves up anymore when you're in the 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.360 situation that Olivia is in. I don't think there's anything 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.559 to be gained by doing a publicity stunt that your 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.000 partner just cheated on you when you're already in the 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.320 depths of despair. Nothing good can come from that. And 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.880 like you said, Laura, people want the happy ever after 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:48.880 people you were stronger together. She wouldn't want to throw 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:50.920 any more wood on the fire. 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:54.439 Yeah, I mean, it's totally humiliating. At what point does 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.600 the punishment outweigh the crime, the crime of behaving badly 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:01.160 on reality TV? When does the bullying become too much? 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.600 And when does the the public outrage the public hate? 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:07.319 At what point do we stop and go Okay, I 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:10.000 think this person suffered enough for the way that they behaved. 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.240 When will we be happy? Is it when they think 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.800 that their life isn't worth living? Is it when they 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:17.640 get to a point where they have nothing and they 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:19.440 feel like such a piece of shit that they take 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:23.320 their own life. The reason why I got so upset 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.360 when I saw this playing out on social media over 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.079 the weekend was because a couple of weeks ago, Olivia 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:30.439 came out and she said, now this is in articles. 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:34.319 She has reported this to journalists. She said, I am suicidal. 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:37.760 The only reason why I haven't taken my life is 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:41.520 because of my boyfriend Jackson. Because one she's so grateful 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.480 for what she has with him. Two she feels like 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:46.600 she didn't want to put him in a situation where 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:48.880 he would come home and find her. That was the 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:50.920 one thing that gave her hope when the rest of 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:54.800 Australia fucking hates her And now she's lost that, and 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:58.520 not only has she lost that, but half of Australia 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:01.520 are reveling in her suffering. And I just think it 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:04.560 felt sick to me to see all these comments play out. 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:06.840 And I really want to make sure that this message 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:08.719 is driven home to anyone listening, because I know that 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:10.679 there's going to be so many people who watch maths 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.319 who are like, no, she behaved terribly, she deserves this. 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.040 We all know how hurtful it is to be cheated on, 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:20.920 Like being cheated on fucking sucks. Could you imagine being 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:24.520 cheated on and then every single person who's commenting on 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:27.400 these pictures saying not only that you deserve it, but 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:31.120 they're happy that it happened to you, and that finally 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.560 that person's seen the light and that it's not home wrecking, 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.800 it's a home improvement. You just would feel so worthless 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:37.760 as a human being. 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:39.360 Well for me, Laur, I'm not going to speak on 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:40.640 the half of you, but I do know that you 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:42.680 feel this way too. There are not many things that 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.320 I hate more in the whole world than bullying. And 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:49.480 I don't understand why people cannot dislike someone or something 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.679 or have opinions without physically going to tell a stranger 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:55.280 that they should kill themselves, or that they're scum, or 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.040 that they should get cancer. And these are the things 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.960 that are literally written every single day. And I know 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.679 our listeners, our listeners are so beautiful, and you guys 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:04.760 are not the Yeah, we are not talking to you 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.320 about you. Guys, Think back to when you were at 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.760 school and maybe somebody said something nasty to you one person. 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.560 Maybe it was someone you liked to crush or a 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:16.720 boyfriend or a friend, or someone said something mean at 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.480 any age, teenager, child, maybe it's an adult, maybe it's 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:22.600 a coworker. Think of how horrible that made you feel, 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:24.520 and think of how long you've held onto that comment 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:30.280 for now, Imagine if that was happening times one thousand, times, 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:34.440 ten thousand, times, hundreds of times, hundreds of thousands, and 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:39.000 with no reprieve, incessantly all day, publicly on all platforms, 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:42.280 on all mediaut then privately in your DM's messages. Imagine 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:44.800 how that would make you feel. Because that's what's happening 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:46.520 right now. And at the end of the day, it 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:48.800 doesn't matter who's on the other side. That person's a 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.400 human being, doesn't matter what they've done. And I say 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:53.800 that within context. We're not talking about murderers here. This 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:56.280 is like we're talking about someone that did something really, 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.000 really shit and we don't agree with it, but they 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:00.880 are a human at the end of the day, and 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:06.720 they have publicly come out and said I'm suicidal. How 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:10.800 can we listen to somebody say that and then continue 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.160 to attack them knowing that we are pushing them over 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:14.760 the edge. That's where it's too much for me. 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.560 Well, I guess it's that question of like who is 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:21.560 deserving of the empathy, who is deserving of the kindness, 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.320 And like, we had this an interesting conversation and Keisha 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.440 said this, It's like, it's not that she's deserving necessarily 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:31.400 of your compassion, but don't give anything, Like you. 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.160 Have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all. It's 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:34.240 the age old saying yeah. 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:38.000 And it's that hypocritical conversation of like, matching somebody else's 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.960 nastiness with your own nastiness doesn't negate their nastiness, Like 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:45.120 it just makes everybody a fucking asshole. Like nobody wins 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.440 in that situation. And I guess one of the really 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:51.160 important parts of this is that there have been numerous 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.080 people who have committed suicide off the back of reality TV. 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.920 This hasn't happened in Australia yet, but I guarantee it 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:00.800 is a matter of time until we take it too far, 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.960 until the public bullies them into a point where they 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.080 feel as though they don't have an out and that 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:08.920 nobody wants them to exist, and that they are nothing, 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:09.720 that they are scum. 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.239 There are reports that so far, and this is worldwide, 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:16.400 thirty eight people have committed suicide off the back of 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:19.560 reality TV, and almost all of those have come from 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:25.000 the fact that they have publicly been brought down incessant bullying. Unfortunately. 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:28.200 The most recent death was Love Island UK host Carolyn Flack. Now, 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.440 I think a lot of people will remember that she 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.360 had a really, really hard time. Before that, we had 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:37.120 a few big Love Island UK contestants. One of them 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:41.760 was Sophie Gradden and pretty soon after she was found, 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.440 her boyfriend also committed suicide and it was really tragic. 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:48.040 In one of her final interviews, her last interview that 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.920 she did, she said, there would be so many negative comments. 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:53.880 They are commenting on the way you look, the way 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:55.800 you talk. They would come up with an opinion of 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:57.880 you on a TV show where they've watched you for 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:00.840 forty five minutes. You've probably only I've seen ten minutes 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.320 of it cut down from twenty four hours. It was 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:05.160 very hard to deal with because you take it like 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.480 you're being judged. It can really get into your mind 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.440 and really affect you. The harsh reality is it can 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:14.120 end up with that person taking their own life. That 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.320 was her very final interview and she three months later 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.720 committed suicide. Knowing that this is happening and knowing that 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:24.560 is off the back of people strangers commenting horrific things 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:28.000 on their Instagram. Now we see our own local Australian 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.760 reality TV contestant, whether you like her or not, she 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:32.920 has come out and publicly said the same thing, and 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:35.600 yet we continue to go for her and tear her 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:37.840 down like she's not a human being with human feelings. 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.080 And because people don't believe it. That's the thing, right, 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.600 Like there's this caveat people are like, well, no, you're 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:44.520 a bad person, so I don't believe that you have 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.280 feelings because the thing about reality TV is that it 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.000 makes people one dimensional. Even if they are a villain, 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:53.800 they are a one dimensional villain. They are horrible virle 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.600 like they're just someone who's not deserving of any kindness 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.480 whatsoever because they don't have kindness in their body. But 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:01.200 then then the the other flip side of that is 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:03.960 nobody talks about the fact that throughout all of Olivia's 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:07.200 twenties that she took care of her dad who was dying. 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.159 You know, there is compassion and kindness in her. We 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.879 just haven't seen it because it didn't play out across TV. 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:15.879 I know that there are going to be people listening 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.480 to this who were like, fuck you, Lauren Brittany, you 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:21.040 shouldn't be standing up for a villain. And it's not 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.680 easy to go against the mob, right, it would be 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:25.760 much easier for us to sit here and not say 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:26.480 anything at all. 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:28.880 And we have no connection to any of these people 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:30.760 from that show, by the way, And this isn't us 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.200 necessarily standing up for a villain either. It is us 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.720 talking about a situation as a whole that has gone 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:36.960 too far totally. 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:38.439 And that's what I mean, Like, it would be so 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.240 much easier to say nothing, because then we wouldn't cop 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.880 any of the criticism. I copped a lot of criticism 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:46.600 over the weekend from people who told me to shut 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:48.199 my fucking mouth, and that I didn't know what I 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:51.359 was talking about, and that she deserves it. And my 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.520 point isn't whether she does or doesn't deserve it. My 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:57.639 point is just leave the girl alone, because at the 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:00.000 end of the day, you don't want to be responsible 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.360 for someone's complete erosion of their mental health. And all 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:05.560 of us, every single one of us, want to be 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:09.160 a better person. That we're not reveling in somebody else's suffering, 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.320 that we're not happy about somebody else feeling like a 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:12.920 piece of shit. 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.520 Also, I think people don't realize this is actually a 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:18.679 fact too, Like it takes more muscles and strength to 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.720 frown than be happy. Yeah, it does to be angry 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.160 than it does to be happy. So people can serve 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.720 your energy, redirect your energy, put it somewhere else. I 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.760 don't think we need to use the last ounces of 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:31.199