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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers.

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Speaker 2: Now when children can have conversations about sex and puberty

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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, My mum

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Speaker 3: Hello.

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Speaker 2: This is doctor Justin Colson, the author of six books

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Speaker 2: about raising happy families, and Friday is our favorite episode

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Speaker 2: we get to talk about learnings and insights the I'll

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Speaker 2: Do Better Tomorrow Friday edition Here with my wife and

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Speaker 2: co post podcast co host Gosh, it's hard, you know what.

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Speaker 3: We've got six kids. Sometimes we get really tired.

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Speaker 2: Is it okay to be tired at the end of

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Speaker 2: the week, this is Happy Families totally okay.

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Speaker 3: I don't if I can get my words out today.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're feeling a little bit overwhelmed, just you know,

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Speaker 2: kids have gone back to school this week. There's tiredness,

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Speaker 2: there's crankiness there, there's excitement and enthusiasm as well.

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Speaker 2: We're tired. Like that's really the easiest way to say it,

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Speaker 4: We especially love them when they're five stars. But this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can email us or you can leave

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Speaker 2: reviews at Apple Podcasts, which is how people find out

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Speaker 2: I think the first time ever that we've had anything

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Speaker 4: What I actually loved about this, though, is she's done

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Speaker 4: it in such a wonderful way that she hasn't actually

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Speaker 2: Well, I would still like you that it is anyway,

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Speaker 2: Let's read the review. SK seven eight zero seven eight

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Speaker 2: least we sound like we're nice people. She wants to

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Speaker 4: So it's probably my fault.

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Speaker 3: You're just a ray of light? Is that the problem? Stopping?

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Speaker 4: So I told you your podcast was too heavy and

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Speaker 2: But what this tells me is that actually, I've got

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Speaker 4: Actually highlights your parenting again. But it was really wonderful

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Speaker 3: What happened? What did you catch me doing? So?

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Speaker 4: what is going on? And you had our three youngest

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Speaker 2: So Emily's six, Lily's ten, and he's thirteen, and they

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Speaker 3: Beside me while I read them a book about puberty.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we had this book arrive in the mail

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Speaker 2: she's just released some books about puberty, one for girls,

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Speaker 2: one for boys. And I've been looking for a really

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Speaker 3: And these we've gone through a few. We have gone

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and these are really really great for kids just

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Speaker 2: you've had those initial conversations and they're older, but these

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Speaker 2: And the kids, well, I mean they've been really engaged

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Speaker 4: And what I loved about that experience was just the

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Speaker 4: and we're not always comfortable having these kinds of conversations,

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Speaker 4: just how comfortable you were in that space to kind

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Speaker 3: It's just too hard.

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Speaker 4: And so I loved that, and I loved the kids' responses,

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Speaker 4: and I loved as you as you were reading, you're

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Speaker 2: What I've just said is that this is an introd

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Speaker 2: book about puberty, and yes, the guy and his all

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Speaker 2: getting dangerously close to fifty still needed to check with

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Speaker 2: his wife about some of these things. So maybe there's

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Speaker 4: I just loved that you were having that conversation with

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Speaker 2: I am, in fact, we're up to those pages right now.

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping that by the end of the weekend you'll

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Speaker 2: have gone through those pages with them. My figure, if

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Speaker 2: I can go through all the womanly stuff with them,

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Speaker 2: That has its advantage as well, But overall, what matters

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Speaker 2: most is that the children can talk to their parents

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Speaker 2: about it. So I'm so glad that you walked in

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Speaker 2: she wasn't really paying attention. I didn't think She's climbing

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Speaker 2: And then every now and again she'd be like, Dad,

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Speaker 2: were reading. I'm like, oh, do I really want my

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Speaker 2: actually do, because she's learning that it's no big deal

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Speaker 2: and it's natural and it's healthy and it's just what

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Speaker 3: So I'm glad that you enjoyed that entertainment.

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Speaker 4: And like, I'm not so sure I'll enjoy having to

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Speaker 4: do the readings tonight.

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Speaker 3: I'll wait to.

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Speaker 2: Find out how you enjoy talking about penises with our girls.

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Speaker 3: That's going to be really interesting. I might just be

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Speaker 3: the fly on the wall for you.

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