WEBVTT - Is an Israel-Hamas ceasefire off the table?

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<v Speaker 1>Already and this is this is the Daily OS. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the Daily OS.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, now it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>the thirteenth of November. I'm Zara, i'm emma. Katar has

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<v Speaker 1>suspended its efforts to negotiate a ceasefire between Humas and

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<v Speaker 1>Israel until both parties show a quote willingness and seriousness

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<v Speaker 1>to end the war. Katar has played a significant role

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<v Speaker 1>in mediating between the two parties, but thirteen months on,

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<v Speaker 1>it could all be changing.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Zara, I feel like we need to go

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<v Speaker 2>back a bit to explain why this story is so important.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been thirteen months since the latest round of violence began.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you briefly talk to me about what's happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, on October seven, twenty twenty three, Hamas, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a terrorist organization according to Australian authorities, it launched

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<v Speaker 1>an attack on Israel, killing at least twelve hundred people

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<v Speaker 1>and taking two hundred and fifty one hostages. One hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and one hostages remain captive in Gaza today. Israel responded

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<v Speaker 1>to the attack by declaring war on Hummas and bombarding Gaza.

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<v Speaker 1>Data sided by the UN shows around forty three thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred Palestinians have been killed in the past thirteen months.

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<v Speaker 1>The UN has urged Israel to increase the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>humanitarian aid entering Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>So you've mentioned there Hamas and Israel, but Hezbola is

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<v Speaker 2>also involved in this conflict.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so just a day after Hamas's attack last year,

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<v Speaker 1>as I said on October seven, on October eight, Hesbela,

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<v Speaker 1>which is also listed as a terrorist organization. It's based

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<v Speaker 1>in Lebanon, but it's backed by Iran, as is Hummas

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<v Speaker 1>and many other proxies within that region. So on October eight,

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<v Speaker 1>Hesbela began launching rockets at Israel and had continued to

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<v Speaker 1>do that until the current day. Since that time, Israel

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<v Speaker 1>has launched strikes and ground attacks in Lebanon, saying that

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<v Speaker 1>it's targeting that Hesbala infrastructure. More than three one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>people in Lebanon have now been killed in the conflict.

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<v Speaker 1>That's according to UN figures as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So that gives us a quick up data sense of

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<v Speaker 2>where the escalations in conflict came from a year and

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<v Speaker 2>a month ago. But what about more.

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<v Speaker 1>Recently, Yeah, so in the last few days or so,

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<v Speaker 1>there's been no sign that the violence is slowing down.

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<v Speaker 1>Israeli air strikes in northern gars have killed more than

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<v Speaker 1>forty people over the weekend. Their local media and the

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<v Speaker 1>Palestinian Center for Human Rights said twenty four people were

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<v Speaker 1>killed and around thirty others were injured when the strikes

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<v Speaker 1>destroyed a three story home. Israel's military said it eliminated

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<v Speaker 1>dozens of terrorists and that it dismantled many terror infrastructure

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<v Speaker 1>sites in the Jibalia area. And then, as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>because we go from Gaza, really then to Lebanon in

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<v Speaker 1>northern Lebanon in Israeli airstrike on the village of almat

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<v Speaker 1>killed twenty three people. That was according to Lebanon's health ministry.

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<v Speaker 1>They're the IDF. The Israeli Defense Forces said the strikes

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<v Speaker 1>were targeted at weapons storage sites and at Hesbola members.

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<v Speaker 1>Earlier this week, a Hesbella rocket killed an Israeli teenager

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<v Speaker 1>in the country's north Denzara.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to ask you about Syria, which we haven't

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<v Speaker 2>really heard much out of that country in recent months,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's been a development there too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So at least seven people were killed and fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>injured in strikes near Damascus, which is the capital of Syria.

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<v Speaker 1>That was according to the UK based Syrian Observatory for

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<v Speaker 1>Human Rights. The group said that one of those killed

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<v Speaker 1>was hesbola's commander in Syria. Said the strikes were targeted

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<v Speaker 1>at an apartment building inhabited by Lebanese families and by

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<v Speaker 1>HESBOLA members. It is important to note here, though, that

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<v Speaker 1>Israel has not commented on the strike, though Siria authorities

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<v Speaker 1>have claimed that they were responsible for it.

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<v Speaker 2>So clearly the conflict, which at this point is multi

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<v Speaker 2>pronged across a large geographic area in the Middle East,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't showing signs of slowing. Those conflicts. Those strikes that

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<v Speaker 2>you've just mentioned, all within a matter of the last

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<v Speaker 2>few days or in the last week. So let's turn

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<v Speaker 2>now then to this idea of a ceasefire, and in

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<v Speaker 2>particular the news out of Katar.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so a few days ago Qatar announced it had

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<v Speaker 1>suspended its efforts to negotiate a ceasefire between Hamas and Israel. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the country has been a key facilitator alongside the US

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<v Speaker 1>and alongside Egypt in the ceasefire talks, including mediations that

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<v Speaker 1>led to a brief pause in fighting back in the

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<v Speaker 1>early stages of the war.

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<v Speaker 2>So can you remind us what that brief pause looked like.

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<v Speaker 2>It was quite a while ago, now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, so it was in November last year, so

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<v Speaker 1>it was a year ago now, But it was a

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<v Speaker 1>week long pause. At that point, Hamas released around one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and five Israeli hostages in exchange for two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and forty Palestinians who are being detained by Israel. Now

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<v Speaker 1>that's the only real cease fire break we've seen at

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<v Speaker 1>all accepted by both sides despite these ongoing negotiations. And

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<v Speaker 1>just before I get to what Katar has said more recently,

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<v Speaker 1>I do think it's also important to highlight that many

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<v Speaker 1>senior Hummas leaders have been based out of Katar since

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twelve. So that includes people like Ismailhania, who was

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<v Speaker 1>Hamas's political leader before his assassination in Iran in July.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Katar has always played quite an active role

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<v Speaker 1>in the sort of geopolitics and the relationships between these

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<v Speaker 1>two parties because of not just their role in these

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<v Speaker 1>ceasefire negotiations, but also the fact that there have been

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<v Speaker 1>Hamas leaders there for decades long.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be right back with the rest of today's deep dive,

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<v Speaker 2>But first, here's a word from our sponsors. When we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about a mediator role, I suppose for many of us,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we might not have had many other examples

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<v Speaker 2>in the news that we can think of when these

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of situations come up. But can you talk me

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<v Speaker 2>through kind of what the purpose of Katari negotiators would

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<v Speaker 2>be in these discussions.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I guess it's just to have a third

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<v Speaker 1>party there who is neither Israel nor Hummas, and they

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<v Speaker 1>are there to facilitate and to create those opportunities for

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<v Speaker 1>a ceaspy negotiation to happen. But what's very important, and

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<v Speaker 1>what's happened recently is that they've said they're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to do that anymore until both parties show what they're

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<v Speaker 1>calling a willingness and a seriousness to end the brutal war.

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<v Speaker 1>And not just that, but there were also these reports

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<v Speaker 1>that came out that the Biden administration, who of course

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<v Speaker 1>are outgoing at this point, that they had called for

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<v Speaker 1>Humas officials to be expelled from Qatar because of those

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<v Speaker 1>stalled negotiations. So it could all be changing there. The

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<v Speaker 1>role that could has traditionally played, and certainly what it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like moving forward could really be changing.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you mentioned there the US government, the outgoing Biden administration.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess you know, I can't help but think about

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<v Speaker 2>the timing of this announcement from KATAR, just days after

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump's election victory in the US. Would a change

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<v Speaker 2>of government in the United States impact these ceasefire discussions.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that have something to do with KATAR suspending its

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<v Speaker 2>role as mediator.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to know this early on. I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>things that we know that are on the public record

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<v Speaker 1>is that Donald Trump and Benjamin Natanya, who have already

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<v Speaker 1>spoken three times in the week since Donald Trump won

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<v Speaker 1>the election. We know that Natanya, who who is the

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<v Speaker 1>Israeli Prime Minister, called Trump the best friend Israel has

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<v Speaker 1>ever had in the White House. And we know just

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<v Speaker 1>based on you know, the last Trump presidency, but also

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<v Speaker 1>what's happened since that there is a very close relationship

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<v Speaker 1>there between the two leaders. We've spoken about on the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast before that Trump has said he was going to

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<v Speaker 1>end wars. He was speaking there not just of this

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<v Speaker 1>war between Israel and Hummas, but also of the war

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<v Speaker 1>between Ukraine and Russia. He said he would end the

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine Russia war by the time it came around to

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<v Speaker 1>January when he was inaugurated. We don't necessarily have a

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<v Speaker 1>timeline for when he thinks he can end this war

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<v Speaker 1>or how he thinks he can end this war, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people haven't been confirmed in their positions, and

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<v Speaker 1>there are rumors about who the Secretary of State might be,

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<v Speaker 1>as Marco Rubio, but nothing's confirmed at the time of recording.

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<v Speaker 1>So really it's a watch and wait to see what

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<v Speaker 1>a Trump presidency means for the conflict and the region

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<v Speaker 1>more broadly.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the meantime, you can certainly see the public

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<v Speaker 2>interest around Trump's involvement with these conflicts. Just this week,

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<v Speaker 2>lots of reports around an alleged phone call that took

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<v Speaker 2>place between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, the Russian leader,

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<v Speaker 2>the Kremlin dismissing those conversations. But there are still more

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<v Speaker 2>than two months to go of Joe Biden's presidency, so

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<v Speaker 2>a lot can change in that time. We'll wait and

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<v Speaker 2>see what happens. Zara, thank you so much for bringing

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<v Speaker 2>us up to speed on this one. Thanks for listening

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<v Speaker 2>to today's episode. We will be back later on today

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<v Speaker 2>with your evening headlines and another deep dive tomorrow. Until then,

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<v Speaker 2>have a great day.

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