1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Already and this is this is the Daily OS. This 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: is the Daily OS. 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 2: Oh, now it makes sense. 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Wednesday, 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: the thirteenth of November. I'm Zara, i'm emma. Katar has 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: suspended its efforts to negotiate a ceasefire between Humas and 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: Israel until both parties show a quote willingness and seriousness 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 1: to end the war. Katar has played a significant role 9 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: in mediating between the two parties, but thirteen months on, 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: it could all be changing. 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 2: All right, Zara, I feel like we need to go 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: back a bit to explain why this story is so important. 13 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: It's been thirteen months since the latest round of violence began. 14 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: Can you briefly talk to me about what's happened. 15 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, on October seven, twenty twenty three, Hamas, which 16 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: is a terrorist organization according to Australian authorities, it launched 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: an attack on Israel, killing at least twelve hundred people 18 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: and taking two hundred and fifty one hostages. One hundred 19 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: and one hostages remain captive in Gaza today. Israel responded 20 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: to the attack by declaring war on Hummas and bombarding Gaza. 21 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: Data sided by the UN shows around forty three thousand, 22 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: four hundred Palestinians have been killed in the past thirteen months. 23 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: The UN has urged Israel to increase the amount of 24 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: humanitarian aid entering Gaza. 25 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 2: So you've mentioned there Hamas and Israel, but Hezbola is 26 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: also involved in this conflict. 27 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: It is so just a day after Hamas's attack last year, 28 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: as I said on October seven, on October eight, Hesbela, 29 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: which is also listed as a terrorist organization. It's based 30 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: in Lebanon, but it's backed by Iran, as is Hummas 31 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: and many other proxies within that region. So on October eight, 32 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: Hesbela began launching rockets at Israel and had continued to 33 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: do that until the current day. Since that time, Israel 34 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: has launched strikes and ground attacks in Lebanon, saying that 35 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 1: it's targeting that Hesbala infrastructure. More than three one hundred 36 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 1: people in Lebanon have now been killed in the conflict. 37 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: That's according to UN figures as well. 38 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: So that gives us a quick up data sense of 39 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 2: where the escalations in conflict came from a year and 40 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 2: a month ago. But what about more. 41 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: Recently, Yeah, so in the last few days or so, 42 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: there's been no sign that the violence is slowing down. 43 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: Israeli air strikes in northern gars have killed more than 44 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: forty people over the weekend. Their local media and the 45 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: Palestinian Center for Human Rights said twenty four people were 46 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: killed and around thirty others were injured when the strikes 47 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 1: destroyed a three story home. Israel's military said it eliminated 48 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: dozens of terrorists and that it dismantled many terror infrastructure 49 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: sites in the Jibalia area. And then, as you said, 50 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: because we go from Gaza, really then to Lebanon in 51 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: northern Lebanon in Israeli airstrike on the village of almat 52 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: killed twenty three people. That was according to Lebanon's health ministry. 53 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: They're the IDF. The Israeli Defense Forces said the strikes 54 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: were targeted at weapons storage sites and at Hesbola members. 55 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: Earlier this week, a Hesbella rocket killed an Israeli teenager 56 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: in the country's north Denzara. 57 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you about Syria, which we haven't 58 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: really heard much out of that country in recent months, 59 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: but there's been a development there too. 60 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: Yes, So at least seven people were killed and fourteen 61 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: injured in strikes near Damascus, which is the capital of Syria. 62 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: That was according to the UK based Syrian Observatory for 63 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: Human Rights. The group said that one of those killed 64 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: was hesbola's commander in Syria. Said the strikes were targeted 65 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: at an apartment building inhabited by Lebanese families and by 66 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: HESBOLA members. It is important to note here, though, that 67 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: Israel has not commented on the strike, though Siria authorities 68 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: have claimed that they were responsible for it. 69 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 2: So clearly the conflict, which at this point is multi 70 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: pronged across a large geographic area in the Middle East, 71 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: isn't showing signs of slowing. Those conflicts. Those strikes that 72 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: you've just mentioned, all within a matter of the last 73 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 2: few days or in the last week. So let's turn 74 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 2: now then to this idea of a ceasefire, and in 75 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 2: particular the news out of Katar. 76 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so a few days ago Qatar announced it had 77 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:36,119 Speaker 1: suspended its efforts to negotiate a ceasefire between Hamas and Israel. Now, 78 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: the country has been a key facilitator alongside the US 79 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: and alongside Egypt in the ceasefire talks, including mediations that 80 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: led to a brief pause in fighting back in the 81 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: early stages of the war. 82 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: So can you remind us what that brief pause looked like. 83 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 2: It was quite a while ago, now. 84 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, so it was in November last year, so 85 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: it was a year ago now, But it was a 86 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: week long pause. At that point, Hamas released around one 87 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: hundred and five Israeli hostages in exchange for two hundred 88 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: and forty Palestinians who are being detained by Israel. Now 89 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: that's the only real cease fire break we've seen at 90 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: all accepted by both sides despite these ongoing negotiations. And 91 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: just before I get to what Katar has said more recently, 92 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: I do think it's also important to highlight that many 93 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: senior Hummas leaders have been based out of Katar since 94 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: twenty twelve. So that includes people like Ismailhania, who was 95 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: Hamas's political leader before his assassination in Iran in July. 96 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: And so Katar has always played quite an active role 97 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: in the sort of geopolitics and the relationships between these 98 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: two parties because of not just their role in these 99 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: ceasefire negotiations, but also the fact that there have been 100 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: Hamas leaders there for decades long. 101 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 2: We'll be right back with the rest of today's deep dive, 102 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 2: But first, here's a word from our sponsors. When we 103 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: talk about a mediator role, I suppose for many of us, 104 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 2: you know, we might not have had many other examples 105 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: in the news that we can think of when these 106 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: kinds of situations come up. But can you talk me 107 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 2: through kind of what the purpose of Katari negotiators would 108 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 2: be in these discussions. 109 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I guess it's just to have a third 110 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: party there who is neither Israel nor Hummas, and they 111 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: are there to facilitate and to create those opportunities for 112 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: a ceaspy negotiation to happen. But what's very important, and 113 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: what's happened recently is that they've said they're not going 114 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: to do that anymore until both parties show what they're 115 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: calling a willingness and a seriousness to end the brutal war. 116 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: And not just that, but there were also these reports 117 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: that came out that the Biden administration, who of course 118 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: are outgoing at this point, that they had called for 119 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: Humas officials to be expelled from Qatar because of those 120 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: stalled negotiations. So it could all be changing there. The 121 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: role that could has traditionally played, and certainly what it 122 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: looks like moving forward could really be changing. 123 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 2: Now you mentioned there the US government, the outgoing Biden administration. 124 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: I guess you know, I can't help but think about 125 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: the timing of this announcement from KATAR, just days after 126 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: Donald Trump's election victory in the US. Would a change 127 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: of government in the United States impact these ceasefire discussions. 128 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: Does that have something to do with KATAR suspending its 129 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: role as mediator. 130 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: It's hard to know this early on. I guess the 131 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: things that we know that are on the public record 132 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: is that Donald Trump and Benjamin Natanya, who have already 133 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: spoken three times in the week since Donald Trump won 134 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: the election. We know that Natanya, who who is the 135 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: Israeli Prime Minister, called Trump the best friend Israel has 136 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: ever had in the White House. And we know just 137 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: based on you know, the last Trump presidency, but also 138 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: what's happened since that there is a very close relationship 139 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: there between the two leaders. We've spoken about on the 140 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: podcast before that Trump has said he was going to 141 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: end wars. He was speaking there not just of this 142 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: war between Israel and Hummas, but also of the war 143 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: between Ukraine and Russia. He said he would end the 144 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: Ukraine Russia war by the time it came around to 145 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: January when he was inaugurated. We don't necessarily have a 146 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: timeline for when he thinks he can end this war 147 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: or how he thinks he can end this war, because 148 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: you know, people haven't been confirmed in their positions, and 149 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: there are rumors about who the Secretary of State might be, 150 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: as Marco Rubio, but nothing's confirmed at the time of recording. 151 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: So really it's a watch and wait to see what 152 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: a Trump presidency means for the conflict and the region 153 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: more broadly. 154 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: And in the meantime, you can certainly see the public 155 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 2: interest around Trump's involvement with these conflicts. Just this week, 156 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: lots of reports around an alleged phone call that took 157 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: place between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, the Russian leader, 158 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: the Kremlin dismissing those conversations. But there are still more 159 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 2: than two months to go of Joe Biden's presidency, so 160 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: a lot can change in that time. We'll wait and 161 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: see what happens. Zara, thank you so much for bringing 162 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 2: us up to speed on this one. Thanks for listening 163 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: to today's episode. We will be back later on today 164 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: with your evening headlines and another deep dive tomorrow. 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