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Speaker 1: It is time for the first week that was for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. And joining me in the studio is

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Speaker 1: the Deputy Opposition Leader Jared Mayley. Good morning, Good morning.

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Speaker 2: Katie, Good morning listeners, and welcome back.

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Speaker 1: We've got nine News Darwin's Kathleen Gazola. Good morning to you,

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Speaker 1: Kathleen morning. I'm glad that humidity after all that hot

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Speaker 1: desert air. Oh yes, it would have been warm in

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Speaker 1: Alice in more ways. Yes, We've also got Kesier Puick,

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Speaker 1: the Independent member for goingder Good morning, Kezer, morning, Katie,

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Speaker 1: Morning Bush people. And we have got the Minister for

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Speaker 1: Police and also territory Families and various other portfolios. Kate

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Speaker 1: Ward and good morning to u K.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie and Derek and I say, what a

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Speaker 3: great day yesterday was lots of different celebrations in lots

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Speaker 3: of different ways, and lots of reflection. So hopefully everybody's

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Speaker 3: fresh from that too.

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Speaker 1: Jan I do want to just say on that note

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Speaker 1: of very big congratulations to all the awards recipients, everybody,

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Speaker 1: all the people who've received their honors as well for

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Speaker 1: Australia Day, some very worthy and wonderful time territorians recognized

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Speaker 1: and it's always fantastic to see what's that. Colleagues, Well,

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Speaker 1: let's get into it, because unfortunately it hasn't all been

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Speaker 1: rosy this week. We know the issue of crimes being

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Speaker 1: catapulted into the national spotlight over the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: But while the rest of the nation is surprised after

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Speaker 1: hearing the local issues that people are grappling with in

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Speaker 1: the Red Center, we here in the Northern Territory have

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Speaker 1: become accustomed to some of those terrible issues of crime,

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Speaker 1: not only in Alis but right across the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 1: We know the Prime Minister Anthony Albanez, he flew into

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Speaker 1: of course by the Chief Minister and plenty of others

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Speaker 1: at that press conference where they announced on Monday, sorry

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Speaker 1: they announced it. On Mondays and Tuesdays there will be

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Speaker 1: takeaway alcohol free days in Alice Springs. There'll also be

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Speaker 1: alcohol reduced hours on the remaining days from three pm

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Speaker 1: until seven pm only for takeaway alcohol. The government's also

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Speaker 1: going to introduce one transaction per person each day, doing

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Speaker 1: so immediately through the Band Drinkers Register. Now, these restrictions

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Speaker 1: on the purchase of alcohol. Well, they're in place for

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Speaker 1: three months. They took effect pretty well immediately. Anthony Albanezi

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Speaker 1: to consider implementing community wide opt out alcohol bands, with

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Speaker 1: a newly appointed Regional Controller, Darrell Anderson, to advise the

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Speaker 1: governments on the situation in Alice Springs in a few

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Speaker 1: days time. Now, you would have to say that the

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Speaker 1: reaction has been mixed, is the only way of putting it.

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Speaker 1: I guess a lot of people saying, look, alcohol is

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Speaker 1: not the only issue here. There are plenty of other

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Speaker 1: very real assessment. The other concern from a lot of

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Speaker 1: in crime on those days where you're not actually able

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Speaker 1: to access alcohol. Now, now I know that both Kate Gordon,

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Speaker 1: the minister, and also you, Kathleen, have just come back

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Speaker 1: from Alice Springs. Your perspective, Cat Lane, You've spent a

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Speaker 1: lot of time in Ella Springs. What was it like

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Speaker 1: Is the town boarded up and what's going on?

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Speaker 4: that's for sure.

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Speaker 5: I hadn't been there since before the pandemic, and it

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Speaker 4: It was definitely sad.

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Speaker 5: You walk down the todd and there's shutter doors on

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Speaker 5: boarded up places, places that you'd seen there for so long,

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Speaker 5: but like those business places with the lease signs, crashed

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Speaker 1: I know we spoke to a number of businesses throughout

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Speaker 6: Well, Katie, are you are right?

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Speaker 3: I've been I went down thirteen times last year, spent

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Speaker 3: And you would have noticed that the week before I

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Speaker 3: And you know, Martin Dole, who's the head of our

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Speaker 6: Very clearly.

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Speaker 3: We had eleven communities cut off when they had come

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Speaker 3: that's why I did go down the week before and

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Speaker 6: But the reason I went down.

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Speaker 3: To talk to the retailer is because they're on the

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Speaker 6: Was there ways that we could walk.

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Speaker 3: Together, you know, together work together to see a better outcome.

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Speaker 6: I had police with me when we met.

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Speaker 3: You know, we've done some things, and so to be

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Speaker 3: And so the federal government being there was that is

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Speaker 3: That stuff has to fix and that takes every level

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Speaker 6: So you know what, Olbow come in to town, federal

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Speaker 3: I don't have one, but all around that, but I

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Speaker 6: Coming for a very long time.

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Speaker 3: I've said on this show before, it's been coming for

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Speaker 3: forty years. And you know, Alice Springs had that perfect

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Speaker 6: We're going to get a.

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Speaker 3: Great outcome from it, and was you know, some real

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Speaker 1: And I mean we've got a situation though now where

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Speaker 1: So you've literally it seems as though you've got a

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Speaker 1: it's you know that something needs to happen really quickly.

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Speaker 1: I take on board what you're saying that you have

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Speaker 1: But right now we are not seeing the results, and

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Speaker 1: for help. They are broken.

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Speaker 3: So Katie, can I say alcohol? Solving the alcohol stuff.

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Speaker 6: And making a change in that space is not the end?

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Speaker 6: You know that is not.

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Speaker 3: It feels like it's simply I get that, and some

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Speaker 3: So we're looking at programs around, wrapping around so that

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Speaker 3: side by side. You have to rip back the alcohol overlay.

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Speaker 3: And to be honest, it's massive. Analyis there is an

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Speaker 1: So then they go to b if the master case.

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Speaker 1: Why on earth did the Northern Territory government and the

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Speaker 1: federal government let this strongest few stick for fifteen years?

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Speaker 7: Some idea, this is ultimately a really some egg on

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Speaker 7: the government's face. They must be extremely embarrassed about this.

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Speaker 7: In Kate, really, you need to resign, There's no question

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Speaker 7: about that. Ultimately, the buck stops with you. This government's

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Speaker 7: been in power for six years and the problems is

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Speaker 7: getting worse and worse since these stronger futures. Like cath

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Speaker 7: was saying it was coming, it was fifteen years. We

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Speaker 7: it wrong. They need to admit they got it wrong

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Speaker 7: and do the opt in opt out or we're saying

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Speaker 7: opt out because these people out there have alcohol. The

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Speaker 7: whole town of Alice Springs are hurting. Alcohol is the problem.

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Speaker 7: There's no question about that. And all the stats shows

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Speaker 7: since July, ask you've been getting worse and worse and okay,

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Speaker 7: just spoke about just December. Well, unfortunately that's what this

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Speaker 7: government do. They talk, talk, talk, no action to the

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Speaker 7: people of Alice Springs are hurting, and ultimately it's the

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Speaker 7: buck stopped of the government and it must be embarrassing

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Speaker 7: for the federal government to come in and the Senator

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Speaker 7: not sorry, the Member for Lingari to come in and

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Speaker 7: say enough enough, fix it all.

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Speaker 2: We're going to fix it for you.

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Speaker 1: Kay, do you want to see this Do you want

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Speaker 1: to see this legislation go back to or do you

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Speaker 1: want to see the restrictions go back to the opt

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Speaker 3: I think if I talk to police, they'll talk about

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Speaker 3: this has been gradually getting worse than Olie Springs for

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Speaker 1: Can I just us? Because like I say, it sounds

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Speaker 1: So might just engage with people I've got indigenous You

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Speaker 1: have got Indigenous leaders saying that they want the stronger

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Speaker 1: But you've literally got Marian Scrimdaw. I know that, you know,

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Speaker 1: And Congress yep, that's exactly right. You've got Donna Archie,

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Speaker 3: We did ask the federal government to do this process

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Speaker 1: The with the utmost respect, though, can I just say,

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Speaker 1: with the utmost respect, we we vote for politicians to

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Speaker 5: But Katie, so then why put the idea of a

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Speaker 5: That is almost skirking responsibility that you're elected to do

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Speaker 4: They're meant to be doing a better lovement. You make

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Speaker 9: Katie just got a couple of things. I pick up

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Speaker 9: he blew out. He would have had to have been invited.

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Speaker 9: From a convention point of view. Prime minister just can't

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Speaker 1: Here's the money.

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Speaker 9: This is how we think you should spend it.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So that's the first thing I think. So I

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Speaker 9: bringing this stronger Future things back in because it's racist.

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Speaker 9: So you're saying it's race based policy, and yet within

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Speaker 1: That's what point touched on, I think as well, even

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Speaker 5: We're talking about now is and Skrimjaw has said it

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Speaker 1: And you need but you, I.

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Speaker 6: And where they're headed now.

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Speaker 3: They obviously have to have some overlay about what, you know,

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Speaker 3: And I was so pleased about their positivity in terms

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Speaker 3: And to your second point, Kisier, we are in very

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Speaker 1: We are going to just take a very short break.

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Speaker 1: We are going to come back and continue this discussion,

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Speaker 1: but we do need to pay the bills. Serra or

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Speaker 1: the alcohol concerns around the territory and Alice Springs the

440
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,480
Speaker 1: forefront at the moment. But the issues with youth crime,

441
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 1: and they've been issues that we've been speaking about for

442
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,280
Speaker 1: an awful long time, but they're getting more and more brazen,

443
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 1: and more and more blanket.

444
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 7: It just seems to be because this is another failure

445
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,639
Speaker 7: of the labor government. You know, crime be getting worse.

446
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 7: I know that they're sending the message out to these

447
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 7: criminals that it's okay. You know, they're raising the age

448
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,040
Speaker 7: of criminal responsibility, getting in the mandatory sentencing. So what

449
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,879
Speaker 7: is that that's the message that these governments sending out

450
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,119
Speaker 7: to these criminals. It's okay, I know there's to be

451
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 7: no consequences. They know they are to get in trouble,

452
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 7: so they go in and do what they want, and

453
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,199
Speaker 7: the crime is getting more violent.

454
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:51,440
Speaker 2: That's the problem. They're getting.

455
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,400
Speaker 9: What needs to be what needs to be looked at

456
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 9: in the whole picture of looking at all the issues

457
00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,680
Speaker 9: is and we see many stories on TV as well

458
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,679
Speaker 9: as in the news of young these people having machetes

459
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,120
Speaker 9: and those kind of influence. Now there's only a couple

460
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 9: of places in Dawn. I can't speak for us that

461
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 9: you can buy a.

462
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 1: Machete, but they're being stolen.

463
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 9: From those poor people out at nine miles Mitchells.

464
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 1: And making did you say, making them too.

465
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 9: It's not hard gets described as you know, and they

466
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 9: put a webinar. But there should be there should be

467
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 9: some I mean, the people who sell you know, bow

468
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 9: and arrows and all that sort of stuff have very

469
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,200
Speaker 9: good security on their businesses. But some of the other

470
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 9: places that sell these kind of impluments they should also

471
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 9: be spoken to in regards to like, you know, should

472
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 9: they perhaps be put in a more protective area like

473
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 9: methods behind the counternow and spray cans are in lock

474
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 9: bloody cabinets. We should be looking at everything, not just

475
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 9: getting the.

476
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,439
Speaker 7: Kids off the street, or we should be looking at

477
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,400
Speaker 7: the actual offenders and making them, you know, do the time.

478
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 2: The whole community.

479
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 9: Well sometimes, as we know, a lot of these young

480
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 9: people across the territory committing these kinds of crimes.

481
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 6: I'd say ninety percent affected by Fazdi. That's my bit,

482
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 6: you know.

483
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 9: So they've got they've got capacity issues and mental understanding issues,

484
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 9: they've got lack of lots of consequence. They don't understand consequences.

485
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 9: That's not to say they shouldn't be spoken to and

486
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 9: dealt with if they've committed a serious crime. But I

487
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 9: think there's more to it than just the alcohol. That's

488
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 9: part of the big picture, and that's a big problem

489
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 9: in white society, to not just Aboriginal societies. So the

490
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 9: government's got a big job. And I think the fact

491
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 9: that marine scrimdaws come out and said well, if you

492
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 9: don't fix it, will come in.

493
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Speaker 2: I mean I don't like that, you know.

494
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 1: Because do you know what can there be a lot

495
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 1: of territory and who think to themselves, we don't mind if.

496
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 7: Things get the Ryal review come out, so you should

497
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 7: be our come management plan before the Stronger Futures finished,

498
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 7: there was like that's three years of warning and yet

499
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 7: what happened nothing.

500
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 6: Talking about management plans that sat on.

501
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 2: The governments, the previous.

502
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,080
Speaker 6: Plans where the federal government they talk.

503
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 1: You know what at this point in time, you know,

504
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: we hear very often that there are youth issues in

505
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 1: other states and other territories as well. We know we've

506
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: we've seen ourselves in some parts of w A, in

507
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: some parts of fun North Queensland. I know that Mount

508
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 1: iSER a little bit earlier this week had to surge

509
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: additional police into the town after they'd had thirty vehicles stolen.

510
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:27,959
Speaker 1: But I've got to tell you I've come back from

511
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: Queensland and there was a lot of talk about how

512
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: bad the crime is in Queensland, and it is in

513
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: no way even close to what we see around the

514
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,239
Speaker 1: northern territory at the moment, you know, I was. I

515
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: went to wool works with my children at four o'clock

516
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: in the afternoon a couple of weeks back. We walked

517
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: across the road. The kids said to me, oh, mum,

518
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: those kids look like they're going to do something bad.

519
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: Next thing, they're pegging rocks at the windows at chemist warehouse.

520
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 1: The security guy comes out, they're peggan rocks at him.

521
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,959
Speaker 1: They're then pegging rocks people that are in there, you know,

522
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: who've come out to help. What does that teach my children?

523
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I mean.

524
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 5: Even talking to acceptable, even talking to Daniel Rosch had

525
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 5: the other day we were standing there and a little

526
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 5: boy came in through the front and stood there how

527
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 5: to look around, walked off and Daniel said, oh, that's

528
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 5: that's so and so he came up the other day

529
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 5: after smashing a window said I did that. I did

530
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 5: that one and so and so I did that one.

531
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Speaker 4: A lack of respect, Yeah, completely of respect.

532
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 6: And that's that's the.

533
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 5: Frustration from residents and Alice Springs that the Prime Minister

534
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 5: flew in, sat behind closed doors with selected people and

535
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 5: then he flew out. The community didn't see him, didn't

536
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 5: speak to those businesses who are victims of crime related

537
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 5: to those youth issues. That the whole issue, especially on

538
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 5: a national stage, has been simplified to purely alcohol and

539
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 5: it doesn't address all those other issues that you know,

540
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 5: the intervention or the Stronger Futures were meant to also

541
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 5: address over the past decade or.

542
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 3: So, education and now take up and we're very quickly

543
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 3: putting together the issues.

544
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 6: So we agreed around the table.

545
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 3: I can confirm that we sat around with the federal

546
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 3: government around the things that there were their responsibility that

547
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 3: we really needed to see more injection of and that

548
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 3: more support that we required. We are now looking at

549
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 3: a family thing because one of the issues is we

550
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 3: take these young people and they go into as Jared says,

551
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 3: we lock them up and we know that that doesn't

552
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 3: improve them at all. Then they come back out and

553
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 3: they go back to that same set of circumstances. And

554
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: we've said all the way along that we have to

555
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 3: do you know, Titan and that family support, and we've

556
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: been doing that work. But the federal government is agreeing

557
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: to help us with that work, and then it will

558
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 3: be a plan around taking those dysfunctional families completely away

559
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 3: from Alice Springs that gets them and their children away

560
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 3: and having a therapeutic look around instead of just working

561
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 3: with the young kid. We've got two sites that we

562
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 3: can almost stand up straight away. So once that work

563
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 3: is done between the federal government, we've got a plan

564
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 3: with them.

565
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 6: There's lots of other areas that they've agreed that.

566
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 3: They need to help us with, you know, somewhat around

567
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 3: it domestic family and sexual violence in that area.

568
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 6: So there's some pleasing things that are going forward.

569
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 3: We're mapping that out at the moment and the Chief

570
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 3: Minister is taking the lead on that with Derell. So

571
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 3: there is a bigger plan around that, Car, I can

572
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 3: assure you, and I mean I saw it with you there.

573
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 3: It's a very different thing. Having the federal government in town.

574
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 3: They operate a very different way from us. But to me,

575
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 3: as I said earlier, it was good to have them

576
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 3: at the table. We've been talking extensively with Marion Melanderry

577
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 3: as well around what we need to do and we

578
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 3: will come to an agreement.

579
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 6: With them over the cooming.

580
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 2: Are we going to see is.

581
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 7: To get clear, to get why is it taking so

582
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 7: long of no action the government and now there's this

583
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 7: big who are and the press and we're like, kiss it, international,

584
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 7: shame job.

585
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: Why has it taken that long to get here? Why

586
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: have you done? What have they done that here? Why

587
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 2: get this? Absolutely we've done hurting and it's your fault.

588
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 6: People.

589
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 3: And Alice Springs asked me to organize safe sleeping for

590
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 3: young kids and take them off the street, the repeat

591
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 3: kids they see out.

592
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 6: That is now business as usual for us.

593
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 3: We take those children out of the streets of Alice

594
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: Springs when we see them and they're repeatedly at Its

595
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 3: actually means it's the way that territory, families and police

596
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 3: actually take that action.

597
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 6: It's what people wanted. I can tell you, Jered.

598
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 3: Over the last few weeks we have arrested so over

599
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,479
Speaker 3: the seven weeks of Operation Drina we've had well and

600
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: truly over three hundred. We've put huge stress on our

601
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 3: prisons by three hundred people being arrested. We've tipped out

602
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 3: over sixteen hundred liters of alcohol. We have done extensive

603
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 3: work in Alice Springs that we've stood up the Social

604
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: Order Response Team that have done a broad range of

605
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 3: work and continue to do that work in other springs.

606
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 3: So to say we're doing nothing is absolutely can I

607
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 3: just police? Are those additional police going to be staying. Absolutely,

608
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 3: We're going to stay as long as it takes, and

609
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 3: we are looking about what extra resources they need on the.

610
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: Bottom line, so how many what's the number?

611
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 3: So on every given day there's around forty police offices

612
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 3: in Operation Drina during the day and making the bed safe.

613
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 3: That's what they're doing. That's what I'm committed to, and

614
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: I will continue that until we see a change. And

615
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 3: we've got other things that will come in beyond the

616
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 3: alcohol restrictions. But I can tell you police are already

617
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 3: saying that retailers have decided to take on those restrictions already,

618
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 3: they've got them in.

619
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 6: Place and they're already seeing a reduction.

620
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 5: What ticked off a few business people and residents in

621
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 5: Alice Springs. Was just how flippant the Prime Minister was

622
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 5: on that request for AFP support. You know, he made

623
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 5: it seem that the call for AFP was to come

624
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 5: in and take over the ant police force, when that's

625
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 5: not the case at all. Everyone has been very complimentary

626
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 5: of the work from.

627
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 4: The police force and Alice Springs, but.

628
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 5: Of course we all know how vast the Northern Territory

629
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 5: is and how spread thin that police force is, and

630
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 5: so it's more extra offices on the ground supporting the

631
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 5: NTI police, extra boots rather than overtaking their responsibility.

632
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 6: That was my point.

633
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 3: Calculate at the moment, police are consumed with DV and

634
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: all those sorts of things, the alcohol being a driving factor,

635
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: not the causational factor. They're saying, if they can get

636
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 3: that back down to you know, a more manageable number,

637
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 3: and any number is not enough, is just way too many.

638
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 3: But if we can get that back to a more

639
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 3: manageable they've got them. Their resources are freed up, they're

640
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 3: not tied up four to six hours on a DV case.

641
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 3: They're actually able to do that more hog profile policing

642
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: which Drina has done. So I think that you'll see

643
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 3: a big change in that space, but we'll continue to.

644
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: Do more with What about then for other places around

645
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory because the concern here is that we

646
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: are going to see you know, additional police surge to

647
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: Alice Springs, and rightly so they definitely need those additional

648
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: police by the sounds of things, but that we are

649
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: not going to have. You know that it's going to

650
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: mean that, you know that three officers, let's say from

651
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: Casarina might have to go to Alice Springs, three from

652
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: Palmerston might have to go from you know, to Ola

653
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: Springs or various remote communities. What impact is that going

654
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: to have do you think for the rest of the

655
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: Northern Territory. In addition to those alcohol changes, we're presumably

656
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: some people will head to Darwin or other locations to

657
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: get their hands.

658
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 3: We're keeping a really good look on that. You will

659
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 3: see that. You know, we've already got advice that the

660
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: closed down in Derby, for example, has seen a migration

661
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Speaker 3: of people, so we're not immune to that.

662
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 6: We understand that. But we've actually put recruits.

663
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 3: Down into Alice additional ones and we've got another group coming.

664
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Speaker 6: So what that does is offset.

665
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Speaker 3: But we have made a commitment and I'm going to

666
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Speaker 3: stand by the commitment. We will keep enough boots on

667
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: the ground and Alice Springs to see this and the

668
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 3: whole layering effect.

669
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Speaker 6: We'll see people return.

670
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Speaker 3: We've had a big return to country since Christmas as well,

671
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Speaker 3: so we'll see all of that come down. And as

672
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Speaker 3: we see that come down, we might be able to

673
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Speaker 3: go back and alleviate some of those trips through what

674
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Speaker 3: we have got. Recruitment is a huge focus for us.

675
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Speaker 3: We've got about thirty five coming through at the moment,

676
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 3: and we've got new additional aboriginal liaison offices coming through

677
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 3: as well, so they all work together as a team

678
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 3: and we'll do that. But I agree we have got

679
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: some significant issues here in Darwin. I was speaking to

680
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Speaker 3: a business owner just yesterday in the city. We need

681
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Speaker 3: to get on and and.

682
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: You know, over the Christmas period, I cannot tell you

683
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: how many people I've had conversations with who are seriously

684
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: considering leaving the Northern Territory. You know, people in Alice

685
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: Springs we know are leaving the Northern Territory because quite honestly,

686
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: you know, I can understand it. They've they've they're fed up.

687
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: We all love this place, and there is you know,

688
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: that is why we are all living here. That is

689
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: why we've made our homes here. That is why everybody

690
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: that listens to this show has done exactly the same.

691
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: But the concerns that that are happening at the moment

692
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: when it comes to crime across the board. You know,

693
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Speaker 1: I know that we've spoken a lot about Alice Springs.

694
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: It's it is seriously holding us back, and I've said

695
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: that before on this show, but I cannot, like, I

696
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: just cannot understand how we're in a situation, you know,

697
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: where it's not getting any better.

698
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 6: Get work, because you've said it yourself.

699
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Speaker 3: You know, a lot of this is around those bigger

700
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: issues for poverty and overcrowding. We've got urban drift, we've

701
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 3: got people coming into town, and we've stood up things

702
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 3: like Baton Road and a whole range of there's Baton

703
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 3: Road is full.

704
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 6: So we've got you know, but time after time, everyone.

705
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Speaker 1: Will be hearing this morning on the show is that

706
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, the government's saying we're doing X, y and

707
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: Z to fix these issues. But then you've got you know,

708
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: your victims of crime. That's right to the fact, but

709
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: there is you know, there is a lot of long

710
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: term work going on, and everybody wants that long term

711
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: work to continue to go on, but they want the

712
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: wound that is currently bleeding to be to be fixed

713
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: so that they can live their lives safely.

714
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Speaker 9: Katie, part of this mix should be looking at the

715
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 9: relevant legislation that governs these kind of activities. Will behavior

716
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 9: Now don't always agree with the CLP, but I do

717
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 9: agree with them in regards to the review of the

718
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 9: Bail Act or to have amendments to that because it

719
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 9: just seems to be a revolving door. The other aspect

720
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 9: is that we know that the court systems are completely

721
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 9: bogged down or they're just loaded.

722
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 4: Is probably more of the word.

723
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Speaker 9: So some because of that, we've got a huge number

724
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 9: of people on remand in our jails when they could

725
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 9: have been dealt with one way or the other in

726
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 9: the court system. So I previously I've written to the

727
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 9: government about questions on notices in regards to the number

728
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 9: of judges we have Supreme Court judges. We have six

729
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 9: Supreme Court judges k Twenty years ago we had six

730
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 9: Supreme Court judges and yet the workload is probably tripled,

731
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 9: if not quadrupleed. So I think there's other part of this.

732
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 9: It's a bit dry, but there's another part of this

733
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 9: that we need to be looking at, whether there needs

734
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 9: to be changes to other pieces of legislation. But I

735
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 9: think there definitely needs to be changes to the Bail Act,

736
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 9: and I think government really needs to look at other

737
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 9: pieces of legislation that perhaps can be strengthened. I'm not

738
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 9: talking about harsher penalties necessarily or new penalties, but I

739
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 9: think there's things that needs to be look The Liquorate's

740
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 9: under review at the moment, the Bail Act, so that

741
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 9: those things I think really need people out there who

742
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 9: have an interest in this should really look at it

743
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 9: and come up with some perhaps some innovative ways of

744
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 9: addressing through regulation legislation, because at the end of the day,

745
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 9: I mean, all these liquor laws and liquor things that

746
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 9: have been informitted. Yeah, presumably they've all been done through

747
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 9: regulation under the various pieces of legislation, but we need

748
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 9: to look at that because there is no there is

749
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 9: no no consequences. Forget the fact whether the person's one

750
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 9: hundred percent mental capacity, there is no consequence last night

751
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 9: the Koodlingan News agency was broken into the car, drove

752
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 9: up to the door, smashed the windows, trash the join.

753
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 4: And dole donation boxes, sole.

754
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 9: Donation boxes, and stole whatever else. Now they're a Teslato place,

755
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 9: they probably broke all the glass and stole twillions of

756
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 9: bloody Teslato ticks.

757
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 6: Now what are those things?

758
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: Scratches?

759
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 9: But that's that's a small business and that's a nice

760
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 9: shopping center.

761
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, look it's in queens in Queensland just before

762
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: I can't remember if it was just before Christmas or

763
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: just after Christmas, and a stage of Palache came out

764
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 1: and made a few announcements around the youth crime issue

765
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: that they've got. One of those is harsher punishment for

766
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: those that if you are a youth who then shares

767
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: any of those crimes on social media, that your punishment

768
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: will be greater.

769
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 6: Well, then that's what we should be looking at.

770
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 3: That we're looking at a mobilizers, which was part of

771
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 3: what they talked about. I've talked with police recently about

772
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 3: the use of a mobilizers and incentivizing them to be

773
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: on cars. But you know, but the other thing is

774
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 3: Katie Nearly every car that gets stolen.

775
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 6: Unfortunately, the keys are readily available too. So I'm not

776
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 6: I'm not.

777
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 3: You're right, but I'm just saying if a mobilizers are

778
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: on vehicles, so we can incentivize some of that stuff.

779
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 6: But we are looking at all of what Queensland has done.

780
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: One of the really interesting things I thought that Queensland

781
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: had done. And I know that you guys in here

782
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: will have this historical knowledge and be able to tell

783
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: me is that they have made this move as I

784
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: understand that if a youth goes before the courts before

785
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, before a judge for a crime, that the

786
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: judge will be able to look at their previous history.

787
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: My understanding is that here in the Northern Territory are

788
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: they able to do that currently? And if not, they

789
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: are and take that into account when they're sentencing.

790
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: Not in their sentencing, but they are where when they're

791
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 3: looking at a case of the previous history of young people,

792
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 3: is my understanding.

793
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 4: So then what's the point If it's not part of

794
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 4: their sentencing, then.

795
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 6: Well they'd have to have it considerations.

796
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: So can I say that ninety percent of the young

797
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 3: people that we have are on remand and my biggest

798
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 3: issue at the moment is whilst we have amazing we

799
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 3: have got some amazing groups of people working with these

800
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 3: kids and the kids in when you know, I visit

801
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 3: those kids out in Dondale and other areas, isn't Salt

802
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 3: Bush And we've got salt bushed up as well. You know,

803
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 3: they are on a good trajectory while they're in there.

804
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 3: We return them to the same conditions that they came in.

805
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 3: And there is a program called through Care, but you

806
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 3: literally cannot say to a family, you know, you can

807
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: put them on a responsibility agreement, and we've had those

808
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 3: operating as well.

809
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 6: But what we need to do is work individually with.

810
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 3: Families and take them away out of places like Alice

811
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 3: Springs out of Darwin, because that stuff is happening here,

812
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 3: and work with those families to teach them to be

813
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 3: proper parents, to actually get those kids back and engage

814
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: with school, because when they're in detention, they all go

815
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 3: to school from day one, look after their health and

816
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 3: a whole range of things. If you can't have that

817
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 3: full continuum, that is the very big frustration. It's a

818
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 3: frustration for police, it's a frustration for all my youth.

819
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 3: Justice officers who do the case work. It's a huge

820
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 3: frustration and so you can't legally take those kids. But

821
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 3: can I say, and this is one thing I was

822
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 3: going to say before in Alice Springs people keep saying

823
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 3: about you know you've got kids and neglected you.

824
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 6: We have taken a very large number.

825
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 3: Of young people away from their families and other springs

826
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 3: for the first time in a long time. We always

827
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 3: do that work in child welfare, but it is something

828
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 3: that we are I'm not incredibly proud of that as

829
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 3: a minister because where our.

830
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 6: Trajectory was a very good path.

831
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 3: But since before Christmas, we've worked intensively in our springs

832
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 3: and I think the number is as high as almost

833
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 3: thirty young people are now in the care of the CEO.

834
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 3: That's unprecedented. We continue to do that work. We don't

835
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 3: come on this show and talk about it all the time, Katie,

836
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: but I think and I think people then think we're

837
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 3: not doing that.

838
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: We're absolutely that. You're not proud of that, But the

839
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: thing is, if you've got thirty kids that are in

840
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: a really unsafe environment, isn't it the right thing to do?

841
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 7: And also remember these children taken into quick these children

842
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 7: taken into caring it they go out commune defenses. We

843
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 7: know that, we know that, we know that, we know

844
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 7: that there's a car crash out how it springs which

845
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 7: involved with the children with in Churrookee Families care Families

846
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 7: didn't happen.

847
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: I gave you an example, So you're wrong.

848
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: Look, but we make.

849
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 3: Huge numbers of kids in the care of the CEO children.

850
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: You're going to have to take a very short break.

851
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 1: You are listening to mix one O four nine three sixty.

852
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: It is the week that was. You might just take

853
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: a quick change of pace because one of the other

854
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: big stories that broke over the Christmas period was the

855
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: fact that some cable the company aiming to supply Darwin

856
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: and Singapore with electricity from a giant solar farm in

857
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory. It's been placed into voluntary administration. So

858
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: the company had the backing of both Mike cannon Brooks

859
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: and Andrew Twiggy Forest, including raising two hundred and ten

860
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: million dollars from the billionaires and other investors last year.

861
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: The plans, though had included I can hear you tools,

862
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: had included a soul of farm of as much as

863
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: twenty gigawatts of capacity. It had been eyeing a project's

864
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: cost of up to thirty billion dollars all up. It's

865
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: a huge hit. I know that they're saying, you know

866
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: that things will get back into on track, but easier.

867
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 9: These these these two Beena tay or three Kiti. This

868
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 9: was always a super ambitious project and it was also

869
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 9: very visionary.

870
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: It was a unicorn.

871
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 5: Unicorn had, However, does more and more difficult.

872
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 2: It's a lot difficult.

873
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 9: That's we should call it jabbaluka because it'll never get

874
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 9: bloody develop anyway, Katie, what the issue is is, yes, visionary, yes, massive,

875
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 9: all that sort of stuff, but when it comes to

876
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 9: the nuts and bolts of us, it was always going

877
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 9: to be very difficult, both technically, geopolitically, even geologically. First

878
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 9: of all, you start with land access. They had to

879
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 9: go across the Northern territory, so they had to negotiate

880
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 9: aboriginal land under the land Right sack. That can take

881
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 9: a while and that can cost money. They have to

882
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 9: do land clearing, they had to do pastoral land that's

883
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 9: the native title and that's just in our country.

884
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

885
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 9: Plus they would have had to do environmental assessment to

886
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 9: put whatever they had to put on the land to

887
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 9: get the energy up to the corner. Then you had

888
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 9: to get across the deep sea trench that's between US

889
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 9: and Singapore and ease team all and that sort of stuff.

890
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 9: So that's the technical engineering possible but very difficult in

891
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 9: fact or not impossible. And then you had to negotiate

892
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 9: through maybe two countries waters including Indonesia three. So you know,

893
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 9: that's what I'm saying. It was a massive visionary project,

894
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 9: and anything is possible to build in this world. If

895
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 9: you've got the money from a two billionaires from you've

896
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 9: got Yeah, but it wasn't their money.

897
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 6: Now they're just.

898
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 1: Katie.

899
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 9: It doesn't surprise me, and I'll be the first one

900
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 9: not to bag an industry project. But I never said

901
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 9: anything during the whole stage because I never thought it

902
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 9: would happen for all of those reasons. Plus more so,

903
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 9: the money that the company that's gone into liquidation doesn't

904
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 9: have these big fellows illustration administration. Sorry, it doesn't have

905
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 9: these big fellows real money in it. And my understanding

906
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 9: is that they missed a key deadline. I'm not sure

907
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 9: that key deadline was whether it some regulatory issues with

908
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 9: common Weal for the Anti government or even some of

909
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 9: their subsequent business partners.

910
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 6: Something could still happen.

911
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: I would doubt it goes to Singapore. And from what

912
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: I've read, Twiggy is happy enough to do work here

913
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: in Australia, but not so much the Singapore Link, whereas

914
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: Mike cannon Brooks I think wants to go ahead with

915
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: the project as is. But let's be honest, Mike canon

916
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: Brooks doesn't have the same experience when it comes to

917
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 1: delivering that infrastructure. Those infrastructure projects is what Twiggy does.

918
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 9: Katie, look at the big look at Sunrise gas project,

919
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 9: all right, that gas field is still not developed and

920
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 9: that's been negotiated and debated and handled over between US

921
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 9: Australia and East Team or Team or less DAE for

922
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,479
Speaker 9: best part of twenty five years. Mass massive gas field

923
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 9: seven point five thereabouts trillion cubic feet compared to back

924
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 9: to Black Tip. That's got one that was a massive

925
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 9: project and that's gone from this to that to everything else.

926
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 9: Partners have come in and gone out. You know, Santos

927
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 9: was in then they're Woodside in and out. The other

928
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 9: thing is there was a similar project. I think it

929
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 9: was over and I'm going to say Norway where they've

930
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 9: just completed it taking energy from a solar farm to

931
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 9: another destination. Now I'm not sure if it was England.

932
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 9: It was within the Europe and that took years, and

933
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 9: that was that one.

934
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 4: With the cable as well, seven hundred year instead of And.

935
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 9: That's a ver small project and that was technically engineering

936
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 9: and geopolitically very complex. So what I say is good

937
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 9: on the government for having confidence that something will happen.

938
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 9: I think something may happen, but I seriously doubt I'll

939
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 9: ever go to Singapore.

940
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: It is a big part of the government's forty billion

941
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: dollar economy by twenty thirty, So you know, I think

942
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: a lot of people are questioning, how are we going

943
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: to get there?

944
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: That's not going to happen. The timeline's gone.

945
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 7: Can I say one thing, maybe the government should make

946
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 7: crime and make your project because it will go away.

947
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 6: Then don't give up your day job, Jerry, actually resign.

948
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 6: What the NT government should do?

949
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 9: Yes, okay, so some cable is there and things will

950
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 9: happen maybe or maybe not. They should focus on some

951
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 9: hard rock mining projects and don't talk to me about

952
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 9: coll lithium. That's done that's happening. Let's find a new

953
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 9: let's find a new major world class discovery and the.

954
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 5: Solar projects we've already got here, don't. We have two

955
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 5: farms that aren't connected because you're still here.

956
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 9: The reason they can't connect those three solar farms at

957
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 9: Manton Dan Bachelor was the other one, Catherine, is because

958
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 9: our infrastructure, more than power will infrastructure cannot cope. So

959
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 9: that comes down to a repair and maintenance and improvement issue.

960
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 9: So that's upgrades.

961
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 6: That's the big problem.

962
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 9: Now that should have been sorted out well before the

963
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 9: company's committed to building the.

964
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: Bloody So I mean though that at the end of

965
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: the day, like we had the TERCI the report, you

966
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: know that we had Andrew Liveris, We've also you know,

967
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,240
Speaker 1: Paul Henderson and others on does it really just blow

968
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: it out of the water now, you know, like how

969
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 1: we honestly how we meant to get to the forty

970
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: billion dollar economy by twenty thirty delayed?

971
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 2: Does it can't happen?

972
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, to start with, look and make sure you get

973
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 6: them back on track.

974
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: And as Kesier said, you know, we are working extensively

975
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 3: in the space around mining all the time. There's lots

976
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 3: of really good projects on the horizon, so you know,

977
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: I'm very optimistic.

978
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 6: Of course I would be.

979
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 3: Of course Jared would be oppositional to that, but that's

980
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 3: you know, that's what it's like to be in government

981
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: and there's lots of really good things on the sky

982
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 3: line for the territory.

983
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: We are going to take a really quick break and

984
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: then we're going to wrap up for the morning. You

985
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Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty

986
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: before we wrapped up the week that was for the

987
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Speaker 1: first for the first week that was for the year.

988
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: I do just want to say that we have now

989
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: been notified that a state funeral is going to be

990
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: held for the Member for our referra. It's going to

991
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: be on the first of March in Darwin and the

992
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: Member for our refueral will then be taken home. And yeah,

993
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: that state funeral is going to be happening. And we

994
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: also know that there is a by election I believe

995
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 1: for the eighteenth of March.

996
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Chief Minis is going to be asking the

997
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 5: Electoral Commission for that.

998
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, so it's an early sad time for his family.

999
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 3: It's a time for I think it's one of those

1000
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 3: things that goes across the chamber.

1001
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 6: You know, we sat with Lawrence.

1002
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 3: I've certainly spent the last six and a half years

1003
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 3: with Lawrence as one of my colleagues. Just so so

1004
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 3: sad for everybody involved, and you know, I think to

1005
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 3: move on and have the state funeral will be a

1006
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 3: really nice way to remember him and his contributions, and

1007
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: we spend that time with his family and absolutely.

1008
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 9: Yeah, look, it's it was. I was quite shocked, and

1009
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 9: I mean he wasn't particularly old in the great scheme

1010
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 9: of things, and you know, but life he was definitely

1011
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 9: younger than me. But it's just a shock and I

1012
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 9: feel for his family. And you know, his late father

1013
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 9: used to play footy with my brother, so you know,

1014
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 9: my brother had an interest in his family. And like

1015
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 9: Kate says, it's a shock because at the end of

1016
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 9: the day, in the Parliament Chamber, we're all colleagues and

1017
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 9: we all we all do roughly the same thing, which

1018
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 9: just happened to be on different sides at times. But

1019
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 9: when someone gets taken away from you in there, you

1020
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 9: sort of really feel that will feel the empty spaces

1021
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 9: to all his family.

1022
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: Absolutely well, I'm friends that does conclude the week that

1023
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: was for the for the first week that was for

1024
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: three It's been a cracker. Thank you all so much

1025
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: for your company this morning. Jared Mailey, the Deputy Opposition Later,

1026
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 1: thank you for your time. Kathleen Gazola from nine News Starwin,

1027
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: thank you for your time. Kezier Puric, the independent member

1028
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: for Katie.

1029
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 9: Don't forget school goes back. I'm not going to.

1030
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: Forget that one.

1031
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: Well I better.

1032
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 9: Not, anyway, I was going to say just to remind people,

1033
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 9: you know, don't speed outside schools, you know, because the

1034
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 9: schools are.

1035
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: Easy, and don't forget. I've been looking forward to it

1036
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: for a while now, and you know what I reckon

1037
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 1: half the territory is.

1038
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, goes back.

1039
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: Exactly. Thank you and Kate Warner, the Minister for Police

1040
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: and Territory Families, thanks for your time.

1041
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 6: To know is a pleasure. Thanks, thank you.

1042
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Speaker 1: You're listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty