Speaker 1: This is Outspoken.
Speaker 2: The podcast is not afraid to say exactly what you're thinking.
Speaker 2: Our names are Amy, Kate and Sophie Torbor. We're identical triplets,
Speaker 2: but we often don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things
Speaker 2: can get heated. Outspoken covers all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment,
Speaker 2: and issues facing women.
Speaker 3: That is so fetched.
Speaker 1: Thank you, welcome to our Spoken. Thank you for joining
Speaker 1: us again.
Speaker 2: Now, Sophie, we have had quite a hellish week and
Speaker 2: it's been because of you, hasn't it. We predicted that
Speaker 2: last week that this would be like Helen Earth this week,
Speaker 2: and it has lived up to expectations. I think I've
Speaker 2: had five full days of packing, cleaning, scrubbing. So you
Speaker 2: wouldn't recommend getting a rental and then moving five days
Speaker 2: later or whatever it was. Yeah, I mean I just
Speaker 2: think anytime you leave a rental it's hellish though, because
Speaker 2: you know, you don't notice little things that build up
Speaker 2: over time and the grime and the shit, and it's.
Speaker 1: Just well, do you know what.
Speaker 2: So we did discuss last week how Sophie was moving
Speaker 2: this week, and Kate and I came to offer a
Speaker 2: little bit of help and we rock up and she's
Speaker 2: literally got a massive.
Speaker 1: Truck outside of her house.
Speaker 2: So you booked the wrong moving truck based so I
Speaker 2: did not book the wrong moving truck. I sent a
Speaker 2: screenshot of every truck to Brandon thinking that he'd know
Speaker 2: which one to pick, and I was quite happy to
Speaker 2: go with the smallest truck. But he thought that the
Speaker 2: smaller trucks didn't come with the electronic lift thing, so
Speaker 2: it was very misleading on the website. Luckily for us,
Speaker 2: Brandon's dad is a legend and came and helped, and
Speaker 2: he actually has a truck license, because you required a
Speaker 2: truck license to drive this thing.
Speaker 1: This is how massive it was.
Speaker 2: Even though the truck was so big, all your stuff
Speaker 2: didn't even fit in it, did it or We did
Speaker 2: one trip with a massive truck, and then it was
Speaker 2: just so difficult to maneuver. We had to just take
Speaker 2: everything in the two utes that we had. But I
Speaker 2: am so happy. We finally handed over the keys to
Speaker 2: our old place last night, and there is going to
Speaker 2: be an inspection held this afternoon, which I am going
Speaker 2: to if I finish work early enough, I'm going to
Speaker 2: drive down and have a stalk of who's going to
Speaker 2: look at the house for everyone's sake. I hope someone
Speaker 2: rents it soon.
Speaker 1: And I can.
Speaker 2: I say thank you to the lovely people in our
Speaker 2: community group who said it would only take a week
Speaker 2: or a week and a half. Thank you very much
Speaker 2: for not siding with Kate Naman saying it'd be like
Speaker 2: months on end. One thing I have enjoyed about the
Speaker 2: moving process is helping Sophie organize her house. I'm living
Speaker 2: vicariously through her at the moment because I'm living in
Speaker 2: a very outdated house with red carpet. Well, I invited
Speaker 2: you over on Friday night, Kate being like, oh, let's
Speaker 2: have a girl's night, just relax, and we ended up
Speaker 2: instead for entertainment, cleaning out the cupboard and putting away
Speaker 2: all of our crockery in color bo. You sent me
Speaker 2: a message saying, oh, it would be great if you
Speaker 2: could help me decide where to put things, so I
Speaker 2: knew from the onset that it was going to be
Speaker 2: a night no.
Speaker 1: I loved it.
Speaker 2: And we also went shopping for pantry items, and we
Speaker 2: officially knew that we are old because I went home
Speaker 2: and I bought a lazy Susan from my Kea and
Speaker 2: I was proudly showing Reese, and all he did was
Speaker 2: laugh and look away.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: I got roped into this Ikea trip. I was told
Speaker 2: that we were going to go to Marian shopping Center,
Speaker 2: which I love.
Speaker 1: Literally got roped.
Speaker 2: Into going Ikea with every man and his dog. They're coughing, sneezing.
Speaker 2: You know, if there's anyone that's come over the border
Speaker 2: with coronavirus, they probably were down at Ikea.
Speaker 1: On the weekend host. It made me feel ill being there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was shouldered as shoulder, wasn't it. Well, let's
Speaker 2: just hope that. I mean, we've got zero cases here
Speaker 2: at the moment, but yeah, they had very cool stuff
Speaker 2: there for anyone else that's looking to revamp their pantry.
Speaker 1: Hello, my little chickens. Welcome back to another video. So
Speaker 1: in today's video, we're going to be doing a clothing hal.
Speaker 2: Let's get into the main topic and Rhyese Hawkins has
Speaker 2: shared an interesting insight into the way money corrupts creativity
Speaker 2: in the influencer world. In a podcast episode entitled The
Speaker 2: Ego Awakening, he and co host Mitchell Orville opened up
Speaker 2: about losing themselves at the hands of big brand deals.
Speaker 3: When you start your social media and this is just
Speaker 3: really prevalent in our lives. Yeah, I'm talking about it.
Speaker 3: You start out and you do something that's really natural
Speaker 3: and organic, right, and you get a following for that,
Speaker 3: and then you start to get so big. This is
Speaker 3: what happened with like me starting a YouTube channel and
Speaker 3: different things. You start to get really big. As soon
Speaker 3: as you start to get big, brands start to reach
Speaker 3: out and they're like, we want you to endorse our product.
Speaker 3: You say no to really shitty ones at the start
Speaker 3: that are like I can't associate with this or some
Speaker 3: of myself. But then the bigger you get from doing
Speaker 3: what you naturally wanted to do and made you passionate,
Speaker 3: the bigger the money gets because your audience gets bigger.
Speaker 3: Then it starts to get to money where you're like,
Speaker 3: this is going to change my life if I accept this,
Speaker 3: So you say yes, and then the brands start controlling
Speaker 3: your content and you start to disappear slowly, and then
Speaker 3: you're pushing out all of this content that you didn't
Speaker 3: even want to film, you didn't want to take a
Speaker 3: photo of. And then what happens is you lose yourself
Speaker 3: and you forget who the fuck you are? You forget
Speaker 3: what you used to do, why people followed you, and
Speaker 3: you essentially fail yourself and you've done nothing, And do
Speaker 3: you wonder why you're not happy?
Speaker 2: I have actually been so impressed with Reese and Mitch's podcast.
Speaker 2: I was a little bit skeptical at the start, but
Speaker 2: they have been so open and honest on there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's really good producing by Spin and Co.
Speaker 2: To be honest, I think it is interesting listening to
Speaker 2: two men talk about their views on all of these
Speaker 2: different types of topics never really hear men address. In
Speaker 2: this episode, it really did get me thinking about the
Speaker 2: influencers I have followed for the last couple of years
Speaker 2: and how they have had such big rises but big
Speaker 2: falls as well. So one of the influencers we have
Speaker 2: been following for probably like four years is Shiny Grimmitt.
Speaker 2: Now we're not alone in following her. One point five
Speaker 2: or five million subscribers follow her on YouTube currently and
Speaker 2: over a million on Instagram. What do you guys think
Speaker 2: of her content at the moment. I think we've discussed
Speaker 2: in the podcast previously, but there has just been an
Speaker 2: absolute lack of content on Shany's behalf and she has
Speaker 2: come out recently and said that the reason she hasn't
Speaker 2: been posting as much is she was dealing with I
Speaker 2: suppose some well not mental health issues, but she didn't.
Speaker 1: She was dealing with.
Speaker 2: A lot of hate online and she was sort of
Speaker 2: not posting because of that. Well, the starts to reflect
Speaker 2: that because last year Shany posted twenty eight videos, which
Speaker 2: equates to just one video a fortnite, so a massive
Speaker 2: sixty eight percent of those videos were sponsored, and the
Speaker 2: only videos that were not sponsored were those that she
Speaker 2: made during lockdown, obviously, when deals are.
Speaker 1: Harder to come back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I am not surprised at all by those
Speaker 2: stats because she has not been uploading anything over the
Speaker 2: last year. And I had to look back at her
Speaker 2: YouTube channel in twenty sixteen when she was at the
Speaker 2: peak of her YouTube fame, and back then she posted
Speaker 2: ninety seven videos a year, which equates to around one
Speaker 2: every three to four days. Now, looking at each of
Speaker 2: those videos, twenty three percent of the videos was so
Speaker 2: the other remaining videos were really engaging videos, so they
Speaker 2: were weekly vlogs, travel vlogs, and a lot of makeup
Speaker 2: tutorials which actually gave back to the person watching them. Well,
Speaker 2: the thing that I loved about her is she really
Speaker 2: opened up about her personal life, and her popularity really
Speaker 2: seems to have dropped off since she's stopped dating Jonathan
Speaker 2: Sour and has been dating Tommy Bug, which, interestingly, that's
Speaker 2: when the move towards this more sponsored content became prolific,
Speaker 2: which when you look at it makes sense because he
Speaker 2: runs his own talent agency called Zots, so he seems
Speaker 2: to be probably in her ear saying, what's the point
Speaker 2: of making videos if you're not getting paid for them.
Speaker 2: We've also got to remember it's also, as you said,
Speaker 2: a change in management. Jonathan Sower used to be her manager.
Speaker 2: She's gone onto Zoots, which is more high profile, and
Speaker 2: there's so many more influences that Zoots manage. The other
Speaker 2: issue is though, that since her popularity seems to have
Speaker 2: dropped off since she's stopped sharing things about Jonathan, because
Speaker 2: I've got this theory that people are now obsessed with
Speaker 2: watching YouTubers who have boyfriends, so everyone loves the couple
Speaker 2: content and we're not seeing any of that for her.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that despite Tommy being in charge of an
Speaker 2: influencer company, he doesn't want to appear in any of
Speaker 2: her content. I mean, we've seen him in the background
Speaker 2: of a few things, but nowhere near as much as
Speaker 2: her previous boyfriend Jonathan was in. But do you think
Speaker 2: it's because these influences are getting older? I mean when
Speaker 2: they were sharing about their boyfriends, they were teenagers. Now
Speaker 2: they probably know that the toll that this sort of
Speaker 2: exposure on their personal.
Speaker 1: Life gets them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no one's going to be invested in what
Speaker 2: you're posting unless you're actually sharing parts of your life then,
Speaker 2: because then what is it about you that is so interesting.
Speaker 2: The concept that people aren't as engaged anymore is actually
Speaker 2: reflected in her subscriber numbers. So taking a look at
Speaker 2: her YouTube channel on Social Blade, she is losing around
Speaker 2: ten thousand subscribers a month, and her estimated monthly earnings
Speaker 2: on YouTube are a lot lower than I thought they were.
Speaker 2: So these are their earnings that she is estimated to
Speaker 2: make on the adsent side of her YouTube tube channel.
Speaker 2: So this doesn't include any sponsored posts that companies pay
Speaker 2: for her to promote. So she is estimated in a
Speaker 2: month to earn between one hundred and twenty six dollars
Speaker 2: and two thousand dollars Now that really surprised me. It
Speaker 2: is really surprising, and for those who don't know, basically
Speaker 2: YouTube base how much they pay you off something called
Speaker 2: a CPM, which stands for cost per mili, which translates
Speaker 2: to cost per thousand. But also I've heard online that
Speaker 2: they also take into account how much engagement YouTubers get
Speaker 2: on posts, and also if their content is family friendly.
Speaker 2: So if you're a YouTuber that posts, you know, like
Speaker 2: your Saffron Barker's or your Anasasia kings North, they post
Speaker 2: very family friendly content, no swearing or any of that
Speaker 2: kind of thing, so they get paid more.
Speaker 1: Per thousand views they get.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, when you look at Shanni's estimated yearly earnings
Speaker 2: on YouTube, it's only between one point two thousand and
Speaker 2: twenty four point one thousand, So it's quite obvious that
Speaker 2: her content is no longer engaging and she is having
Speaker 2: to get brands on board to sponsor her. Now, Sophie,
Speaker 2: you've actually got your hands on how much Shiny Grumman
Speaker 2: is charging for this type of right, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: So I did get a hold of these because I
Speaker 2: did have a client who was interested in working with her,
Speaker 2: so we wanted to see what her costs for certain
Speaker 2: things are So for a YouTube dedicated video, it costs
Speaker 2: twenty seven thousand dollars. Can I just interrupt? A YouTube
Speaker 2: dedicated video is one of those sort of classic whole videos.
Speaker 2: So it's like a hole brought to you by Princess Polly,
Speaker 2: and the influencer just tries on all the clothes and
Speaker 2: puts discount codes. So typically a video that never gets
Speaker 2: that many views all of hers, we've got like fifty
Speaker 2: thousand for a Princess poly stuff, which shows that no
Speaker 2: one's actually because everyone's aware that it's just a sell
Speaker 2: and just down. So if you want a product I
Speaker 2: suppose just featured in a video, whether it's a gym
Speaker 2: shark product like she has, it's nineteen thousand dollars. For
Speaker 2: an Instagram static post eight thousand dollars. A tap and
Speaker 2: tag post is two thousand, five hundred, an Instagram story
Speaker 2: with one to three slides is four thousand, five hundred,
Speaker 2: and an Instagram story hall is six thousand dollars. And interestingly, though,
Speaker 2: she has been posting a lot of IGTV during lockdown,
Speaker 2: and she asked for thirteen thousand dollars for that, and
Speaker 2: she mustn't have as good a reach on TikTok because
Speaker 2: she's only asking a thousand dollars for TikTok. Now, it
Speaker 2: does really make me think what Reese Hawkins said about
Speaker 2: how money is ruining content creation, because when I looked
Speaker 2: at her videos from this year, as we said, sixty
Speaker 2: seven percent of the video she's posted in the last
Speaker 2: year have been sponsored posts. And you can really tell
Speaker 2: because there's no love for it anymore, like you can
Speaker 2: tell when someone is just being paid to try on
Speaker 2: some clothes and try and push them to you, as
Speaker 2: opposed to her content, which I used to love. Like
Speaker 2: I was flicking back through her videos from twenty sixteen
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my gosh, I remember that
Speaker 2: one I loved when she did what she did in
Speaker 2: a day and she spent the day with Jonathan and
Speaker 2: they went out to the beach, and you know, it
Speaker 2: was very organic.
Speaker 1: She was very relatable.
Speaker 2: But that's what they're so silly, because, as Reese touched on,
Speaker 2: they're really selling their souls to the marketing companies because
Speaker 2: they're losing the essence of what people actually enjoyed watching
Speaker 2: and all they're doing is becoming a talking head for
Speaker 2: a brand that they're not even connected with I've just
Speaker 2: had a quick look at Shanie's videos and since January
Speaker 2: she's done three try on clothing holes for different brands.
Speaker 2: So what's that She's nearly made ninety grand?
Speaker 1: That's incredible of just those videos.
Speaker 2: I mean, how to press your math is wrong. It's
Speaker 2: eighty one thousand dollars. Yeah, I said, nearly ninety grand.
Speaker 2: So how depressing is that that we're all slogging it
Speaker 2: away to get sort of minimum wage get is like, Okay,
Speaker 2: you're locking in those big numbers like that, but you're
Speaker 2: clearly not passionate about it because you're not wanting to
Speaker 2: put out anything that's free. So that's not gonna always
Speaker 2: be the case. She's not always going to be able
Speaker 2: to ask for that much money because her engagement has
Speaker 2: dropped off. Her subscribers are going down, Brands are no
Speaker 2: longer wanting to work with just someone that's got heaps
Speaker 2: of subscribers. They're going to have to look at their
Speaker 2: engagement at some point. There was actually a CEO who
Speaker 2: can and he said that there has been a downward
Speaker 2: trend in converting from influencer marketing, so a lot of
Speaker 2: people are actually looking at what else they can do
Speaker 2: instead of going with influencers because they're just not seeing
Speaker 2: a return. Because we have had influences in our lives
Speaker 2: for a long time now, we kind of know the deal.
Speaker 2: We know when people are trying to sell us stuff.
Speaker 2: So I don't know about anyone else, but I just
Speaker 2: quickly flick through it. Whenever I see like Hello Fresh
Speaker 2: or something, I'm like, yeah, I get what they're doing here.
Speaker 1: I don't watch those try on holes. No either, I
Speaker 1: do if I'm really desperate for something to watch.
Speaker 2: Well, consumers really are losing trust and paid influencers and
Speaker 2: they're now looking elsewhere at organic, grassroots communities to get recommendations.
Speaker 2: And I myself have done the same, Like I'm a
Speaker 2: part of a few podcast groups, and I love when
Speaker 2: people are posting information about you know, TV shows or
Speaker 2: clothes that they've bought recently, and because you know that
Speaker 2: those opinions are correct, that they're actually authentic. It's not
Speaker 2: like they're being paid to do it. So there are
Speaker 2: some really clever brands that are going out there and
Speaker 2: they're finding their super fans, and they're getting their super
Speaker 2: fans to promote their clothing. But instead of paying them,
Speaker 2: they're sort of giving them perks, like maybe giving them
Speaker 2: free clothes. I've noticed that Keep It Cleaner, which is
Speaker 2: run by Steph Claire Smith and Laura Henshaw, really could
Speaker 2: be capitalizing more on their super fans because there are
Speaker 2: two particular girls and they do share their stories a bit,
Speaker 2: but they have made their own Instagram profiles that just
Speaker 2: show their kick journey, and I feel like those girls
Speaker 2: could be more the face of their marketing, which they
Speaker 2: have started to do. I think they started to get
Speaker 2: some of their fans involved in their advertising, but I
Speaker 2: think more so they could use those people because I
Speaker 2: have seen a lot of people like Beck Judd and
Speaker 2: Sammy Robinson pushing Keep It Cleaner. At the moment, I'm like, yes,
Speaker 2: but we don't actually.
Speaker 1: Believe that they do it. We know that they're getting
Speaker 1: paid for them.
Speaker 2: It's easy if it's easy for marketing teams to be like, yep,
Speaker 2: let's put the money in influence as it's worked before.
Speaker 2: I suppose this idea of community marketing is so new
Speaker 2: and it's probably going to be ruined. Like, let's be honest,
Speaker 2: all forms of you know, emails, our marketing gets ruined
Speaker 2: because people spam it influence of marketings forever, So we've
Speaker 2: it's constantly evolving, and I think people begin to understand
Speaker 2: what's happening and they start to clue onto Oh okay,
Speaker 2: this is just an ad. Yeah. Can you imagine just
Speaker 2: in a group, it just pops up. Oh, I just
Speaker 2: really like my Bondo Sands. It's just amazing, And it's
Speaker 2: like some persons, it's a sponsored I was going to say,
Speaker 2: we've focused a lot on Shanny grimmand, but there's also
Speaker 2: a lot of influencers who we've noticed, you know, they're
Speaker 2: having the same issues that their content has gone down
Speaker 2: since they've gotten bigger, which kind of correlates with what
Speaker 2: Reese has been saying about people losing their authenticity due
Speaker 2: to sponsorship deals. And one of those people I believe
Speaker 2: is Sammy Robinson. And Sammy Robinson's always been someone I've
Speaker 2: enjoyed following, but her quality of videos has really gone
Speaker 2: down and at the moment she's averaging around sixty to
Speaker 2: ninety thousand views, yet she's charging similar amounts to what
Speaker 2: Shanny Grimman is. Well, I have those stats on hand
Speaker 2: if anyone is interested as well, So just spilling on
Speaker 2: the team. So for a non exclusive YouTube view, she
Speaker 2: charges eight thoy nine hundred plus fifteen thousand dollar agents sorry,
Speaker 2: a fifteen percent agency feed, So say a fifteen thousand
Speaker 2: dollar agency. So that's about what half Shany was charging.
Speaker 2: I think, well there was nineteen. Well for a category
Speaker 2: exclusive YouTube video, it's nine thousand and seven, one hundred
Speaker 2: and ninety. And in regards to her Instagram collaboration, Sammy
Speaker 2: also charges four thousand, two hundred, which is pretty much
Speaker 2: on par with Shanny, despite having a significantly lower follow account.
Speaker 2: That is massive to be charging, especially when her videos
Speaker 2: are not getting the views they used to do. So
Speaker 2: this year alone, she has only had one video which
Speaker 2: has received over two hundred thousand and can you guys guess.
Speaker 1: Which video that was?
Speaker 2: It would have been one with Nick. I think her boyfriend,
Speaker 2: Oh you're good it was. It was a muk bug
Speaker 2: that she did with Marketbane saymook, but I'm not sure anyway,
Speaker 2: it was amook bung that she did with Nick when
Speaker 2: where she explained why they'd broken up. That was a
Speaker 2: good one actually, But in fact I had a little
Speaker 2: look and all of her videos which featured Nick in
Speaker 2: the thumb now outrated.
Speaker 1: All of the others.
Speaker 2: That's really interesting you say that because I had a
Speaker 2: look at Madison Woolly's YouTube subscribers, and she, of course
Speaker 2: is Shane Grimman's ex's new girlfriend, so she is really
Speaker 2: in complete competition with Shany. I mean, they wouldn't say
Speaker 2: that themselves, but I'm sure they are.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're friends in here. Now.
Speaker 2: She has only one hundred and thirty five thousand subscribers
Speaker 2: compared to Shanny's one point five to five million. However,
Speaker 2: she is estimated to be earning around the same price
Speaker 2: actually a little bit more than Shanny is on her YouTube,
Speaker 2: yeah for AdSense, So she's estimated to earn one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty to two point four thousand a month and
Speaker 2: between one point eight to twenty eight point seven thousand,
Speaker 2: and that is of course because she has been uploading
Speaker 2: a lot more content. But a lot of that content
Speaker 2: does include Jonathan Sawyer.
Speaker 1: Maybe he is the ticket here.
Speaker 2: Well, it was funny because I saw this YouTube recently
Speaker 2: and it was of Tommy and Molly May from Love Island,
Speaker 2: and Tommy was teasing that she was only using him
Speaker 2: in her videos to get more views, because apparently when
Speaker 2: she puts up her thumbnail with Tommy it does get
Speaker 2: wal clicks.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious.
Speaker 2: Well, we've been focusing a lot on YouTubers that are
Speaker 2: doing it wrong, but talking about a YouTuber that seems
Speaker 2: to be continuing to do it right. And I know
Speaker 2: she's divisive and we talk about her a lot, but
Speaker 2: it's Sarah's day.
Speaker 1: So I had a look.
Speaker 2: At her YouTube channel on Social Blade and she has
Speaker 2: around the same amount of followers as Shani Grimmin, So
Speaker 2: she's got one point four to five million subscribers. However,
Speaker 2: she is gaining ten thousand subscribers every thirty days, and
Speaker 2: her estimated earnings on YouTube are between one point three
Speaker 2: and twenty one thousand dollars a month and fifteen point
Speaker 2: seven and two hundred and fifty one thousand per year.
Speaker 2: Now that is on ad Sense alone. Now, what set
Speaker 2: Sarah's day apart is she seems to actually have brand
Speaker 2: deals that she really believes in. So for years she
Speaker 2: has been promoting tripeek It. For years, she's been promoting Lebang,
Speaker 2: and she has also and of course Fox Boutique, yes,
Speaker 2: and White Fox Boutique. Who Now she has so many
Speaker 2: different lines with I'm sorry, she's got to have shares
Speaker 2: in White Fox boutique. There is something going on there.
Speaker 1: Kids called Fox.
Speaker 2: I know maybe her other kid will be called White
Speaker 2: Yeah movie. Well, it is interesting because it gets into
Speaker 2: the whole point about YouTubers creating their own brands. And
Speaker 2: I feel like Sarah's Day is the epitome of a
Speaker 2: walking brand. She is someone that is quite authentic and
Speaker 2: you can tell that she actually believes in the product
Speaker 2: she promotes rather than just one week she's promoting Boohoo.
Speaker 2: I think your example of Sarah's Day being one of
Speaker 2: those influencers that's really capitalizing on having her own brand
Speaker 2: is so correct, and she's one of those people that
Speaker 2: continues to put out content that is unbranded. And I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: more people need to follow Sarah's Day if they want
Speaker 2: to see the success that she.
Speaker 1: That she has.
Speaker 2: Sorry, and more influencers need to follow Sarah's Day if
Speaker 2: they want to see the same success. Because I'm finding
Speaker 2: you're seeing Shaney Grimm and Sammy Robinson. They've both got
Speaker 2: their own lines. Sammy's got one Mile and Shaney She's
Speaker 2: got silk swimwear, Yet we only see them posting when
Speaker 2: they want to sprink. Their latest sale is it just me?
Speaker 2: Or is it really strange for Shany Grimman to be
Speaker 2: promoting swimwear and Sammy Robinson to be promoting a fashion label.
Speaker 2: Both of those influencers made it big in the beauty industry.
Speaker 2: It would make a lot more sense for them to
Speaker 2: be creating a beauty product. Well, I think they've both
Speaker 2: spoken about how they've lost their passion for beauty, so
Speaker 2: perhaps that is why. Yeah, but it makes no sense
Speaker 2: because I'm not going to be going and buying swimwear
Speaker 2: from Shiny grimm And I know she's got breast implants
Speaker 2: and she's been trying to make her body more of
Speaker 2: a focus, but you know, you've got to go with
Speaker 2: your bread and butter. She is known for testing out makeup.
Speaker 2: I would probably believe more in a makeup product she's
Speaker 2: brought out than a pair of fails with Sammy, though
Speaker 2: I think Sammy is more known for looking like a model.
Speaker 2: I don't even think with Sammy. She got put a
Speaker 2: two dollar moisturizer of her face and she looked bloody great.
Speaker 1: She is so stunny. It's the perfect salesperson then Freddy makeup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she is, but you can tell she doesn't
Speaker 2: really like makeupse she doesn't even wear it because she's.
Speaker 1: So stunning without it.
Speaker 2: You touched on that she like a model, But for me,
Speaker 2: all the clothes that she creates are based on her frame,
Speaker 2: which is quite an unattainable frame. She's like six foot tall,
Speaker 2: stick thin. Not many people that follow her will have
Speaker 2: that same body. So, yeah, the clothes look great on her,
Speaker 2: but are they going to look great on everyone else? No,
Speaker 2: but they'll still buy it. They'll still buy it because
Speaker 2: you think I'm going to look like Sammy Robinson if
Speaker 2: I have these pants. Yeah. Well, maybe we'll keep this
Speaker 2: conversation going in our Facebook community. It would be great
Speaker 2: to know if you have seen any of your favorite
Speaker 2: YouTubers going down this same path, and maybe recommend some
Speaker 2: YouTubers that are doing some great things so we can
Speaker 2: follow them. Let's get into the pit and peak of
Speaker 2: the social media week. Now, okay, I'm loving this peak.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, this made me laugh so much. Pedestrian
Speaker 2: have done an article entitled Ozzie's are sharing their non
Speaker 2: specific yardsticks of what makes someone a legit rich Kent. Now.
Speaker 2: This all started when writer Benjamin Law shared a tweet
Speaker 2: saying that he thought people were rich when he was
Speaker 2: a kid if they had a dishwasher. Now other people
Speaker 2: have followed and said, it all comes down to a fridge.
Speaker 2: So it's either a fridge with double doors, or it's
Speaker 2: got an ice maker, or it's got a water dispenser,
Speaker 2: which I didn't even know fridges had water. Yes, so
Speaker 2: with the ice as well. Yeah, so yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've always wanted a one with the ice dispenser. And
Speaker 2: I really did think that that made you rich when
Speaker 2: I was little as well. Do you know what I
Speaker 2: also think that you know, when you were when you
Speaker 2: were at school, you always thought a kid was rich
Speaker 2: at school if they got lots of yummy treats in
Speaker 2: their lunch box. So if they got like a Danny
Speaker 2: or they got a roll up or something like that,
Speaker 2: you instantly thought, oh, this kid's parents have got money.
Speaker 2: Now I look at that and I probably think it's
Speaker 2: someone from a low associate economic background because giving their
Speaker 2: kids so much sugar is probably really bad. Oh oh, you're
Speaker 2: ragging on the kids now with dun karouromily s As,
Speaker 2: I was jealous because we only ever got an apple.
Speaker 2: And then in year four, mum kindly started giving us chips,
Speaker 2: and it was very against her morals because she's a
Speaker 2: dental therapist and she hated us having anything that was
Speaker 2: bad for us. There are a few other funny ones.
Speaker 2: I really like this one. Someone said if someone has
Speaker 2: a full fridge of canned or bottled drinks, they assume
Speaker 2: they're rich. And I agree because you know when someone
Speaker 2: would have like all coke cans and you'd be like, Wow,
Speaker 2: it's funny you say that because I'm following a former
Speaker 2: thirty six is import on Instagram who is back in
Speaker 2: America with his kids, and his kids were stocking up
Speaker 2: their little barfridge and they were putting all like cans
Speaker 2: of coke and bottled water and juices, and I just
Speaker 2: thought that is the epitome of being rich as well.
Speaker 1: It's like the Kardashians.
Speaker 2: They've got the full on fridge that's got the sea
Speaker 2: through door, just showing off all their Fiji water and
Speaker 2: their kimbucher and everything. Yeah. Well, another one that I
Speaker 2: completely agreed with with someone said ice magic was the
Speaker 2: form of being rich, and I know for us that
Speaker 2: was only brought out on very special occasions, as with Viennetta.
Speaker 2: Viennetta was another one I also loved. Someone pointed out
Speaker 2: that any kid that had a thirty six pack of
Speaker 2: dir and pencils. Now, I was lucky enough to share
Speaker 2: my desk at primary school with a girl, Emma Clark,
Speaker 2: who had a pack of thirty six pencils, and I
Speaker 2: used to get to use them. But my job in
Speaker 2: order to use them was I had to then make
Speaker 2: sure all the colored pencils were in their rightful order,
Speaker 2: so they were numbered.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that? Yeah, I do remember that. That's hilarious.
Speaker 2: Well, let's move on to the pit of the social
Speaker 2: media week. Yeah, I've gotta say this one has been
Speaker 2: grating on me. Now, this has been going on for
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks now, and that is Madison Woolly
Speaker 2: and her trip to Melbourne. So she went to Melbourne
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, and I personally was shocked
Speaker 2: because I was under the understanding that people were only
Speaker 2: allowed to travel for work or for very important situations.
Speaker 2: And Madison is of course from Sydney. Yeah, so Madison
Speaker 2: flew across from Sydney with her boyfriend Jonathan Sawyer, who
Speaker 2: we've talked about earlier in the episode, and they were
Speaker 2: living it up in Melbourne, going out to dinners, going shopping.
Speaker 2: But on her YouTube video from her Melbourne vlog, she
Speaker 2: mentioned that she was on a secret work trip, so
Speaker 2: there were exemptions for people who were traveling to Melbourne
Speaker 2: for work. So we're guessing that that trip was actually
Speaker 2: technically classified as.
Speaker 1: A work trip.
Speaker 2: But was it really Yeah, well, it'll be interesting to
Speaker 2: see what she actually comes out with the product that
Speaker 2: she's obviously going to be launching soon. But she went
Speaker 2: not only did she go from Sydney to Melbourne, she
Speaker 2: then went Melbourne back to Sydney to Byron Bay. And
Speaker 2: while you know, we're not sure if she's sick, we're
Speaker 2: not actually saying that she's passing on coronavirus. It does
Speaker 2: seem a bit strange that these influencers are allowed to
Speaker 2: travel from state to states to state and claim it
Speaker 2: as a work trip when all we really see of
Speaker 2: their work trip is them going out and taking photos
Speaker 2: of themselves at dinner. Yeah, I'm going to be honest.
Speaker 2: It pissed me off, especially in this climate when Melbourne
Speaker 2: has just been locked down. Despite her not actually breaching
Speaker 2: any rules, it does seem pretty tone deaf to be
Speaker 2: bragging about traveling to Melbourne, then going to Byron Bay
Speaker 2: with your influencer friends, and then this weekend living it
Speaker 2: up in luxury Sydney Hotel because her and Jonathan are
Speaker 2: celebrating their one year out of her So it did
Speaker 2: make me laugh because I did see her YouTube where
Speaker 2: she did a video about her going away to Byron
Speaker 2: Bay with her friends, and I thought it's so funny
Speaker 2: because is normally it's YouTubers bragging about their international holidays,
Speaker 2: but now I feel like the place to be is
Speaker 2: Byron Bay. Yeah, I actually feel sorry for the people
Speaker 2: in biro and Bay, especially if it's become some sort
Speaker 2: of coronavirus hot spot with everyone traveling there. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: I don't Zac Efron's living there now. They're probably loving life. Yeah,
Speaker 2: zach Efron and the Hemsworth it seems the place to
Speaker 2: be in Australia.
Speaker 1: I wonder all the influences are going.
Speaker 2: Trying to tell what kind of going that's going to
Speaker 2: be that girlfriend. Let's get into our reality wrap and
Speaker 2: let's be honest. There's been nothing really worth mentioning that's
Speaker 2: been going on on TV. We've been mentioning for the past.
Speaker 2: It seems like the past bloody twelve weeks, we've been
Speaker 2: saying Bachelor and Paradise is back. So we're not going
Speaker 2: to talk about that. We're gonna save that for next week.
Speaker 2: But what we're going to talk about is a shock
Speaker 2: new relationship. Yeah. I was scrolling down my Instagram feed
Speaker 2: on Sunday morning and I had to forward this immediately
Speaker 2: to Amy And so, so Luke M from Love Island's
Speaker 2: recent summer series is now dating Lucy, who was on it.
Speaker 1: A couple of seasons ago.
Speaker 2: So she was with oh what he was a sandwich guy? Yeah, Joe. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so she broke up with Joe. She also had the
Speaker 2: hots for Tommy, who's now with Molly May. So it
Speaker 2: kind of when I saw it, I'm like, that makes
Speaker 2: a lot of sense. I kind of look like they
Speaker 2: suit each other. Well, they're both blonde now because Luke
Speaker 2: M's done the whole going blonde in ISO. Yeah. But
Speaker 2: I think the thing that's controversial about this is he's
Speaker 2: only just broken up with Demi, and he cited distance
Speaker 2: being an issue. However, Lucy lives in Cornwall, which is
Speaker 2: much further away from him. Oh, let's be honest, he
Speaker 2: and Demi there was never anything going on. That was
Speaker 2: just for both of them to stay on the show.
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't believe in that relationship at all.
Speaker 2: It was definitely a show man. So I'm surprised it
Speaker 2: lasted as long as it did.
Speaker 4: I've got this really weird habit. It's so weird and
Speaker 4: he's too time, like eleven o'clock of a night. I
Speaker 4: like to have a cigarette on the tour lep. I
Speaker 4: have a cigarette on the tourlet, but when I want
Speaker 4: the cigarette, I formed a.
Speaker 1: Weird TapIt is it when you have LUII?
Speaker 4: It could be for all.
Speaker 2: Now let's get into awkward turtle and Sophia. You seem
Speaker 2: to be dominating this segment of the show. You've got
Speaker 2: to tell us what happened with you? And are we
Speaker 2: naming and shaming dominoes? Is that? Yes?
Speaker 1: We are naming and for sure?
Speaker 2: Well, I think I still have a burning pit of
Speaker 2: rage in my chest from the incident that occurred on
Speaker 2: Friday night, So I don't know if that's the saying,
Speaker 2: But anyway, she was very.
Speaker 1: Ang I was furious.
Speaker 2: So so on Friday night, we thought we'd sit down
Speaker 2: after two days of hellish moving, and we thought we'd
Speaker 2: also have a cheap meal, because you know, you bloody
Speaker 2: piss money away when you're moving. We're like, let's all
Speaker 2: have a five dollars each, have a five dollar pizza,
Speaker 2: will splash out with a drink and some chips, and
Speaker 2: we'll get delivery. I usually reject the delivery option because
Speaker 2: that's against everything I believe in. Can I just say
Speaker 2: I didn't even know Domino's soul chips?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was anyway, I've got They've got a whole new
Speaker 1: range stuff. Anyway. We're not trying to promote Domino, We're not.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I ring up order and the girl on
Speaker 2: the phone doesn't give me the price of how much
Speaker 2: it is, and I said, yeah, we'll have it delivered.
Speaker 1: It was five minutes down the road from us. We
Speaker 1: were just too exhausted to get.
Speaker 2: It anyway, So then the delivery man rocks up. We
Speaker 2: worked out it should have been about twenty two dollars
Speaker 2: maybe five dollars delivery. He then asks us for forty
Speaker 2: two dollars and I almost died, and Brandon hands over
Speaker 2: the money and I was like, what the hell is
Speaker 2: he like pocketing the extra cash?
Speaker 1: So then why didn't you ask him?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 1: Because I wasn't dealing with him, and I was. It
Speaker 1: was really embarrassed.
Speaker 2: So I rang up the girl immediately and I said,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, we've been overcharged. Our meal cost twenty two dollars.
Speaker 2: I assume five dollars for delivery. She then tells me
Speaker 2: that they charge a delivery fee for each individual item.
Speaker 2: So you're telling me they actually penalize you for ordering more. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So she told me that the five dollar pizza rounded
Speaker 2: up to ten dollars because of delivery and so forth
Speaker 2: for each of the other items. So delivery for dropping
Speaker 2: the food five minutes down the road was twenty dollars.
Speaker 2: As I lost it, Like I usually don't like to
Speaker 2: be rude to people on the phone, but I saw
Speaker 2: read lost it. Brandon had to tell me to calm down,
Speaker 2: stop and I was like, well, what are you gonna
Speaker 2: do for me about it? All she said was that's
Speaker 2: the price. So being in my thirties now, I thought
Speaker 2: it was quite within my right to write a feedback
Speaker 2: letter to Domino's. I love I love about you're doing
Speaker 2: this all whilst moving like also priority to keep the
Speaker 2: wrong person, So I politely pen them an email saying
Speaker 2: how disgusted I was, and why is there no delivery
Speaker 2: information online? To then be told that each individual store
Speaker 2: has their own policies and I should download their app
Speaker 2: if I would like to, you know, be across the fee.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, where's my apology or my voucher to shop
Speaker 2: with you?
Speaker 1: Again?
Speaker 2: I am never never going to Domino's. The worst thing
Speaker 2: was I was so outraged by the incident that I
Speaker 2: let the food go cold and then it was even
Speaker 2: tasted even more like cardboard. And have I not I'm sorry?
Speaker 2: This is massive rant. Have I not been talking up
Speaker 2: Dominoes to everyone saying, oh, you better check it out? Well,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, no one check it out? Yeah, okay, cow boys.
Speaker 2: You have been telling me to try Dominoes and I
Speaker 2: will not because I don't want to eat crap five
Speaker 2: dollar pizza. Well I'm on my health kick, so Dominoes
Speaker 2: is a no already. Well, I think that's all we've
Speaker 2: got time for. Thank you again for listening to Outspoken.
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