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Speaker 1: who is the Member for Lingiari. Good morning to you, Marion.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. How are you not too bad?

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Speaker 1: I've got to say, Marian, I think that I'm feeling

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Speaker 2: Going to change? Yeah, and look, I think we can

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Speaker 2: all and that's why I wrote that piece because I

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Speaker 2: They've been badly shaken by all of this. We had,

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Speaker 2: I agree something's got to be done, but I think

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Speaker 2: Family Responsibility Commission, they're pretty tough. It is about taxpayers

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter who you are. If you're getting a

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Speaker 2: the commission. And then the Commission looks at case managing

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Speaker 2: you and your income is quarantined one hundred percent until

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Speaker 2: such time that they think that, you know, there's been

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Speaker 2: You can't keep accepting, you know that a woman loses

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Speaker 2: you know, we've got to have some honest discussion amongst

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Speaker 2: I've called stop playing politics with this because the community

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Speaker 1: I actually I said that to Peter Dutton when I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I need to so we're working through some

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Speaker 1: Well, it's so overwhelming for everybody right now. And I

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Speaker 2: I think, look, Katie, I think most people that are

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Speaker 2: Look, Kate Warden and I have had a discussion and

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Speaker 1: And Marion, there has been so much said over the

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, everything's got to be on the table and we've

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Speaker 2: We've got to have honors, Chatsy and look at how

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Speaker 2: So look, I'm doing what I can and the meeting

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Speaker 2: way and not get caught up in you know, the referendum,

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Speaker 2: the yes or no. This needs to be Let's deal

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Speaker 2: with the issues that the NTI is facing. Let's all

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Speaker 2: work together and let's try and get the best outcome

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Speaker 2: so that people can feel safe. Katie, it is you know,

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Speaker 2: I talk to my own families in and around darn

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Speaker 2: and Palmerston and people don't feel safe and we need

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Speaker 2: to you know, we've all grown up in this town

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Speaker 2: and it's not the same. It's you know, it's people

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Speaker 2: often say to me, oh, well, it's reality, the PA

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Speaker 2: you know, the Darwin's growing and stuff, and I said, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: one hasn't grown that much much. But we've seen this

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Speaker 2: insidious side coming and becoming a normal part of and

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Speaker 2: we shouldn't accept that this is normal. I agree, and

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Speaker 2: we need to do something about it. So I'm willing

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Speaker 2: to take this up and I will keep pushing Katie

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Speaker 2: until we get a good outcome for the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 1: Marion Scrimjaw. I always appreciate your honesty and your true

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Speaker 1: words that you speak when you're on the show. Can

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Speaker 1: I just ass very quickly are we expecting to see

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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister in the territory anytime soon?

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Speaker 2: Look, the Prime Minister of this country, as you know,

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Speaker 2: Katie is all over the place. I'm hoping that he

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Speaker 2: will come back to the territory. He loves the territory

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Speaker 2: and I'm hoping that we can get him to come,

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Speaker 2: whether it's Darwin or Alla Springs, but also into the

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Speaker 2: Northern Territory somewhere. But I'll keep working on that Katie

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Speaker 2: with his office. I hand him all the time and

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Speaker 2: talk to him that I think that the Prime so

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Speaker 2: should come because it's a great part of Australia and

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Speaker 2: we shouldn't forget that. They shouldn't forget it.

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Speaker 1: Marion strim Jaw, the member FILINGIARI always appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for chatting with us this morning.

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Speaker 2: No worries, Katie, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to it.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye now