1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: Like I said, always plenty happening. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 2: And joining me on the line this morning is Leah 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 2: fanoki Aro, the opposition leader. 4 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Good morning to you. 5 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 3: Good morning Katie and to your listeners. 6 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 2: Now Leah, we know that the vaccine mandate was announced 7 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: about this time last week. Over the weekend we saw 8 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: massive crowds on the lawns out near Parliament House and 9 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: then on the stairs rallying against the mandate to get 10 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: the vaccine. 11 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: Leah, what are people telling you? 12 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: Do you have businesses and territorians contacting you at the 13 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: moment with concerns about this mandate. 14 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 3: Oh, look, without question, this is you know, it's a 15 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 3: very big issue for you know, a group of people 16 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 3: in our community. By and large most territories have had 17 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 3: that first vaccine or of course are fully vaccinated. But 18 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 3: there are people who are concerned and you know, the 19 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 3: protest amongst anything else, highlights that. But I think what's 20 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 3: important is the communication coming out of government at this 21 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 3: important critical time, particularly as we can down to that 22 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 3: mand mandated vaccine date, and so certainly from a business 23 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 3: and employee perspective, people want some certainty around what that 24 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: roadmap looks like to get to the mandatory Vack State. 25 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: So when you say communication, is that what you mean? 26 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: Do you think that there's businesses out there that are 27 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 2: sort of wondering how it's going to be implemented or 28 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 2: what do you mean when you say that there's not 29 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: enough communication? 30 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what the Chief Minister has done has 31 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 3: come out and announced the policy. The Chief Health Officer 32 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 3: has of course put those directions out, but there is 33 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 3: concern in the community. People don't really know how to 34 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 3: implement it for those people. And of course we've heard 35 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,279 Speaker 3: very clearly that in response to the announcement many people 36 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 3: have booked in and decided to get vaccinated, which is fantastic. 37 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 3: It's clearly encouraged those people who just perhaps hadn't got 38 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 3: around to it to really start to make it a priority. 39 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 3: But there will be a portion of the community who 40 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 3: you know, would rather lose their jobs than get vaccinated. 41 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 3: And so really it's important that government is clear and 42 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 3: working with businesses and industry so that people, you know, 43 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 3: the people who are going to have to deal with this, 44 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 3: because it's not going to be the government, understand how 45 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 3: they can go about it. 46 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 2: Are you worried that we're going to see some businesses 47 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 2: closed or do you think you know, do you think 48 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: that it's not going to be an issue when we 49 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: get to that mandate day. 50 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 3: Look, I just hope everyone makes the right decision to 51 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 3: get the vaccine, Katie. We know it's safe, we know 52 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 3: it's the best way to get back to normal. We 53 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 3: know that millions of people in our country and of 54 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 3: course around the world. You know people are getting vaccinated 55 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 3: and are able to go back to normal. It's the 56 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 3: safest way to protect yourself, it's the safest way to 57 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 3: protect your family and of course the rest of the community. 58 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 3: And so our message has always been and always will 59 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 3: be for people to please if you are concerned, if 60 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 3: you still have that level of hestency, go and see 61 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 3: your GPS. See counts the information that you need to 62 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: have the confidence. But ultimately we really need people getting 63 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 3: the job. There's plenty of bookings and availability, which is 64 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 3: really important, and so don't put it off to another date. 65 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 3: Just make that call today, Get on the coronavirus website, 66 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 3: get onto the vaccine portal, and get the job. 67 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: Look, I know that one of the other big issues 68 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 2: that we are continuously being contacted about at the moment 69 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: is the fact that we sort of don't have a 70 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: real clear plan when it comes to home quarantine and 71 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: what's going to happen when we get to Christmas. So 72 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: we've seen now New South Wales, Victoria Act and Queensland 73 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: have all announced their plans to open up to the 74 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 2: rest of the country. Do you think that the plans 75 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: provided by the Chief Minister Michael Gunner give enough clarity 76 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: to Territorians with Christmas coming up, you know, even those 77 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: that are living here but maybe are from another state 78 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: wanting to go and visit family and then coming back. 79 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 3: No, I don't think the plan is very clear, Katie, 80 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: and I think because the other jurisdictions you know, are 81 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: making rapid changes at the moment, and of course we've 82 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 3: got this focus on transitioning to the mandatory vaccine, you 83 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 3: know policy. I think it's causing a lot of confusion 84 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 3: around what people can and cannot do at Christmas, and 85 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 3: of course people need to be booking clients, making arrangements 86 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 3: with loved ones, or accepting that they're not going to 87 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 3: be able to catch up and spend that time together 88 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 3: as friends and families. So we really do need that 89 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 3: clear pathway going forward because people need certainty and you 90 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 3: know eighteen months down the track. The lease the government 91 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 3: can do is give people that certainty so that those 92 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 3: arrangements can be made or not made. 93 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: Well, we know in Queensland, obviously the state's border opening 94 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: scheduled to go ahead on December seventeen, so when eighty 95 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: percent of Queenscience populations predicted to be double vaccinated, so 96 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 2: on that date, then fully vaccinated interstate visitors who have 97 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: recorded a negative COVID nineteen test, so they've got basically 98 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 2: seventy two hours of quarantine and then if that test 99 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 2: comes back negative with the rapid antigen testing, they'll be 100 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: allowed to enter the community without having to quarantine. Shall 101 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 2: we be looking at something like this once we've reached 102 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 2: the eighty percent. 103 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 3: Mark, Well, I'm sure that's what our Chief Health Officer 104 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: is looking to. Obviously, our CHOW is part of the 105 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 3: national organization where all of the chos are getting together 106 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: and sharing this adviance. The health advice is of course 107 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 3: different for every jurisdiction because the people within that community 108 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 3: have different requirements and are at different vaccination levels. We 109 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 3: obviously have a very vulnerable community as well, so there's 110 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 3: a lot of factors that come into it. I'm sure 111 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 3: the Chow and the Gunner government are looking at it, 112 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,239 Speaker 3: but what we're really urging them to do is come 113 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 3: to a decision as soon as possible. They might be 114 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 3: waiting to see what our final VAX numbers come out 115 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 3: at by the time we hit that mandatory back stake, Katie, 116 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 3: and then perhaps they're waiting to make their final decision. 117 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 3: I don't know, and we're not privy to that information. 118 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 3: But ultimately more certainty is required, and territorians are really 119 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: feeling very there's a great sense of uneasy at the 120 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 3: moment because there is a lot of change and not 121 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 3: a lot of clearifaction well. 122 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 2: And also you know when you look at our tourism 123 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 2: sector and also for the hospitality sector and others, nobody's. 124 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: Wanting to put the community at risk. 125 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 2: But I think if other states all around the nation 126 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 2: are moving towards this rapid antigen test and that seventy 127 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: two hours of being quarantined before being able to enter 128 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 2: the community, if it comes back negative, if it is 129 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: going to happen in other locations, we really can't leave 130 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: ourselves in a situation where we're entirely left behind. 131 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 3: It's certainly going to place a lot of pressure and 132 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 3: it's going to mean really complicated arrangements for territorians who 133 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 3: are wanting to reunite with loved ones. But it is 134 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 3: that balancing act. I know plenty of people equally Katie, 135 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 3: who happy to keep the borders closed and live late 136 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 3: this forever. So you know, it's just a very difficult situation. 137 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 3: But ultimately we've got to be focused on the vaccine 138 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 3: roll out, We've got to be focused on getting jobs 139 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: in arms. But the Gunner government can certainly afford to 140 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 3: be a lot clearer and a lot more supportive with 141 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 3: the people who are there to be implementing any changes. 142 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 3: But of course those who know we're well and truly 143 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 3: through October now and Chrismas is just around the corner. 144 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: All right, let's talk education. We know that the Minister 145 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: for Education, Lauren Moss, has released a new strategy which 146 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: is aimed at lifting school attendance across the territory. It's 147 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: going to be backed up by an initial ten million 148 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: dollar action plan over the next three years. Have you 149 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 2: had much of an opportunity to look at this strategy 150 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: and do you think that it's going to make a difference, 151 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: particularly when you talk about school attendance. 152 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, we have had a good look at this because 153 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 3: of course education is the key to our children's future. 154 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 3: You know, all of every single territory, kid has a 155 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: right to a good education and we need them going 156 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 3: to school. And I think what this strategy highlights is 157 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: just how empty the government's plan is when it comes 158 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 3: to ensuring that kids are in classrooms. I mean, when 159 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 3: they first came to government, they scrapped truancy officers and 160 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 3: we've seen some appalling attendance rates going forward. You know, 161 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 3: we want kids in school and that really for if 162 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 3: not hundreds of schools across the territory needs to be 163 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 3: our focus. We're really concerned that this strategy is really 164 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 3: just a bit of an empty announcement. There's nothing groundbreaking 165 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 3: in it. And of course a major concern for us 166 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 3: is the fact that only twenty one schools were consulted, 167 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 3: and that's out of one hundred and ninety one schools 168 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 3: that we have in the territory. So I really don't 169 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 3: know the depths that this strategy has gone into, that 170 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 3: the level of engagement was there to really work out 171 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 3: what the issues are. But you know, when you hear 172 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 3: statistics like, just fourteen percent of very remote Indigenous children 173 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 3: are attending school four days a week. You know that's 174 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 3: not okay in Indigenous kids. Every kid deserves to have 175 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 3: a good education and have access to education and be 176 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 3: at school. So we need to be working a lot 177 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 3: harder on that element of our education strategy, Leah. 178 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: I know that the Opposition spokesperson for Education, Joe Hersey, 179 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: is out today saying that there's uncertainty for Northern Territory 180 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 2: schools as there is reportedly as many as thirty one 181 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: principles for schools across the Northern Territory needed for the 182 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: beginning of the school year. Sixteen jobs for principles are 183 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 2: currently being advertised and fifteen are apparently forecast to resign 184 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: by the end of the year. I mean, firstly, how 185 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: do we know that fifteen are forecasts to resign? But 186 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: then I mean, it's pretty clear to me why this 187 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: is a concern. But why is this such a concern 188 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: from the opposition's perspective. 189 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 3: Well, of course, principles are amazing leaders in our schools. 190 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 3: I mean they're providing all of the support, all of 191 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 3: the direction and of the leadership for our teachers and 192 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 3: our staff. But of course importantly our students, they're highly 193 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 3: trained professionals, as are our teachers. But you know that 194 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 3: principal role is much more difficult to fill. There's just 195 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 3: less principles around, and so of course, when you layer 196 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 3: on top of that desperate need to make sure that 197 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 3: we do have principles in schools providing that leadership and direction. 198 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 3: You lay over that COVID and the complications of moving 199 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 3: around the country attracting and retaining people into the territory, 200 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 3: particularly remote, then you've got some serious issues. 201 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 2: And so do you reckon it's small that than the 202 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 2: pay freeze for principles or what? Do you think it 203 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: is the main reason for this? 204 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 3: Look, I think it's a cumbination. I think, of course, 205 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 3: the upcoming pay freeze is really just meant a lot 206 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 3: of people are just not interested to stay in the 207 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 3: territory anymore. Of course, we had the principal pay frees 208 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, so this is pay freeze 209 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: on payfrees, which I'm sure you know players on people's 210 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 3: minds when they're making their decisions whether to continue to 211 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 3: stay in the territory. But of course, and that's why 212 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 3: people are leaving. But of course, then when it comes 213 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: to okay, well if people are going to go, how 214 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 3: do we feel those spots? Then you've got a whole 215 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 3: host of other issues, which of course include our attractiveness 216 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 3: is a jurisdiction when we have pay freezones like the 217 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 3: ones we do, but also with that overlay of COVID, 218 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 3: so we're really concerned. We don't want any school to 219 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: start the new year without a principle. It's a critical role. 220 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 3: We value the role that they play and that leadership 221 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 3: and direction that they provide. And so you know, much 222 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 3: like our other conversation, time is running out to Christmas, 223 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 3: and we can't wait around until January to work out 224 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 3: whether or not we've got principles stealing that critical role 225 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 3: in our schools. 226 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 2: Well, Lea Finocchio, the opposition leader, we are going to 227 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: be catching up with Lauren Moss, the Education Minister in 228 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: around ten minutes time, so we'll see what we can 229 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: find out. 230 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: Thank you very much for your time this morning. 231 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 3: Thank you, and take care everyone.