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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers.

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Speaker 2: Now, I think that the reality is we need to

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Speaker 2: recognize it and understand that our kids a human and

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Speaker 2: they're going to get it wrong just like we do.

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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mom

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Speaker 3: Hello, this is doctor Justin Colson. I'm here with my wife, Kylie.

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Speaker 3: I'm the founder of Happy Families dot com, dot you

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Speaker 3: and the author of six books about raising happy families.

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Speaker 3: And Kylie we parents to six children, six baby girls.

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Speaker 3: I've got a question for you. I'm a little bit

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Speaker 3: confused about something that happened just recently in our family.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to work out if I'm a good parent

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Speaker 3: or not. Got a phone call from one of the

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Speaker 3: kids and she said, Dad, I left my iPad. I'm

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Speaker 3: the charger and if I don't have it at school today,

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Speaker 3: I can't submit my assignment. And if I don't submit

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Speaker 3: my assignment, I might fail and I don't want to fail.

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Speaker 3: And can you please bring me my iPad the school?

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Speaker 3: And I'm trying to work out is that good parenting

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Speaker 3: that I did it? Or is that bad parenting? Because

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Speaker 3: kids have got to learn to be responsible for themselves.

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Speaker 4: Well, I guess that depends whether I'm a good parent

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Speaker 2: Because I had to take Miss ten to office works

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Speaker 3: So while I was running iPads to one school, you

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Speaker 3: were taking another child to office works. What is it

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Speaker 3: us about it the day before, Like.

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Speaker 4: It only becomes urgent when it's urgent.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that doesn't answer my question good parent or bad parent?

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Speaker 3: Because I feel like I get a gold star. I

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Speaker 3: feel like I've been a good parent if I look

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Speaker 2: Look, I feel like there's another podcast episode in this

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Speaker 4: I just want to enough. But isn't it.

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Speaker 3: It's this tension. We'll have to talk about it later,

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Speaker 3: But there's this tension where you want your children to

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Speaker 3: learn to be responsible and therefore that might mean facing

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Speaker 3: the consequences of their decisions from time to time. But

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Speaker 3: at the same time, when they really need something, you

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Speaker 3: kind of just have to go and help them. Right.

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm going to put you in the hot seat

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Speaker 2: for a second, but I have had numerous phone calls

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Speaker 2: in our time together where you may have left a suitcase.

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Speaker 4: Behind or.

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Speaker 2: You let's talk about laptop chords and charges that have

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Speaker 4: The airport or you've probably to me I've.

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Speaker 2: Gone down the coast a few times because you desperately

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Speaker 4: Get it wrong just like we do.

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Speaker 3: I'm really grateful that you said that. It's a beautiful

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Speaker 2: Look, the reality is some days we just can't do it,

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Speaker 3: because of the experiences we've had. That's what Fridays are

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Speaker 3: I'll do better tomorrow, first today and then because your

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Speaker 3: The other night you had a meeting on and because

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Speaker 3: So I did something that we haven't had to do

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Speaker 3: Can I tell you what happened later, because it kind

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Speaker 4: But I think it's maybe you should have started list

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Speaker 3: Family life is pretty tough going. Sometimes most days are

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Speaker 2: So the podcast for the time poor parent who just

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Speaker 2: wants answers now, and today is Friday. It's our favorite

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Speaker 3: Quick question before we talk about your old do better

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Speaker 2: I'm going to suggest let's collect the gold flex, let's

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Speaker 2: let's celebrate the wins, because there are plenty of not

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Speaker 4: I've got a bit.

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Speaker 3: It did feel good when I got it right, it

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Speaker 2: I realized the other day, I've actually now read, officially

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Speaker 4: It's hard work.

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Speaker 3: And the book is Nine Ways to a Resilient Child.

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Speaker 3: It's I think it's the third book that I wrote,

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Speaker 3: and it's all about resilience, and it's one of the

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Speaker 2: So many times as a parent, I feel like I

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Speaker 4: Like your experience with one of our children the other night.

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Speaker 2: You get it right, and then within five or ten

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Speaker 4: And it just feels like you're hitting your head against

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Speaker 2: And I was so grateful that I just read that

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Speaker 4: And it doesn't matter what's in our toolkit. It's still hard.

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Speaker 2: And we've got this full toolkit and we know the

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Speaker 2: things that we should do, and yet it is still

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Speaker 2: a great job. This is hard, but it's supposed to

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Speaker 2: to be in charge of it. In some way, We're

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Speaker 3: What I've also noticed is that when we are doing

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Speaker 3: really is is number one supportiveness and warmth and nurture

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Speaker 3: great insight. So your take home message after mine is

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Speaker 3: it's easier that it's hard and someone as we're doing

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Speaker 3: the best, we're going to make mistakes. But let's take

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Speaker 2: I think for me, it's just the acknowledgment that sometimes

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just because it's hard doesn't mean you're doing it wrong.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it actually means the opposite, you're doing it absolutely right.

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