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Speaker 1: This is a Will and Woody podcast mini.

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Speaker 2: But when you're in a rash woods. I am just

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Speaker 2: so excited about the bloke that we have got with

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Speaker 2: us right now. Picture this a cave dive in and

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Speaker 2: neath the tist is tasked with.

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Speaker 1: Saving twelve soccer players and.

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Speaker 3: Their coach stranding in a cave underwater, hundreds of meters

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Speaker 3: below sea level.

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Speaker 4: It sounds like a movie, and it will.

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Speaker 2: Be a movie soon.

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Speaker 4: But let's not forget it really happened.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: The only guy you're ever need of. You in a

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Speaker 4: tag spot, stuck with twelve of your mates and you're underwater.

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Speaker 4: It's doctor Richard Harris.

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Speaker 2: Yes, mates, welcome doctor Richard Harris. By Harry, I know

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Speaker 2: that's how you prefer to be call mate. It's such

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Speaker 2: a pleasure to have you on the show.

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Speaker 4: It's nice to be on that lady sounded a bit excited. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: she's pumped. We're all pumped.

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Speaker 2: We're all because we've all been talking about this doco

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Speaker 2: on Disney, which if you haven't seen it, The Rescue

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Speaker 2: on Disney, just go and watch it. Honestly, it'll be

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Speaker 2: the best thing you watch in such a long time

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Speaker 2: because at the end of the day. It is a

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Speaker 2: beautiful outcome.

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Speaker 1: We know that.

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Speaker 2: For anybody that hasn't seen the doco, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: play a little bit of audio here. Can you just

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Speaker 2: have listen to the audio and then if you can,

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Speaker 2: for me, just sum up just how dicey this situation

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Speaker 2: actually was.

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Speaker 4: It was instantaneous, a pungent smell.

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Speaker 3: We both assumed we were smelling decomposing bodies, and then

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Speaker 3: suddenly I saw a light flash. How on the audio

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Speaker 3: there's me saying, believe believe that was me trying to

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Speaker 3: tell me this is real. Believe this is actually happening.

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Speaker 4: You look back at this story and a Hollywood script

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Speaker 4: could not have been written to play out the drama

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Speaker 4: any any better. You know, every twist and turn, you know,

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Speaker 4: literally and metaphorically in the cave was designed for tension

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Speaker 4: and drama, and that's exactly what it was like as

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Speaker 4: it unfolded each day. No one knew or had any

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Speaker 4: hope really about how to get these children out of

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Speaker 4: the cave and finding the boys. As you just heard

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Speaker 4: in that audio with John Valanthon speaking there, you know

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Speaker 4: that was only it was less than half the problem solved.

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Speaker 4: We assume they were going to find bodies, but when

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Speaker 4: they found those boys alive, everyone just went, well, what now,

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Speaker 4: how on earth do we get them out?

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Speaker 2: The funny thing is that, as he said at the

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Speaker 2: end of that audio, there he leaves and he's like, well,

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Speaker 2: that might be the last time I've seen them because

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to be able to get them out

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Speaker 2: of skills. I'm not sure if you've seen the movie Taken,

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Speaker 2: but you're a little bit like Liam Neeson in that way.

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Speaker 2: So he contacts you and says, and this is a

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Speaker 4: So my response to that was just forget about it.

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Speaker 4: Crazy you ever come up with then there's no way

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Speaker 1: So you've agreed, I'll come and look after the boys.

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Speaker 1: But this idea is ridiculous. How did you then take

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Speaker 1: the steps to go, oh, okay, let's do this.

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Speaker 4: It took me a while once I was on site

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Speaker 4: even the idea of anesthetizing and which I still believed

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Speaker 4: would not work, at the end of the day, it

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Speaker 4: which would take weeks. You know, they would die of

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Speaker 4: I thought to myself, well, at least it'll be swift

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Speaker 4: justification for a plan, but if you're give them those

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Speaker 1: But still, Harry, how's that for you? Mentally? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would have just walked

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Speaker 1: I appreciate what you're saying, like the other option is

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Speaker 4: Well, it was worse than being not sure if it

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Speaker 4: And it was only after the first day, when some

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Speaker 4: maybe old Rick Stanton was onto something here. But you know,

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Speaker 4: I just I felt that to walk away and leave

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Speaker 4: my shoulders I guess as the person responsible. But I

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Speaker 2: It really is like that sort of it's a problem

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Speaker 2: that your only wish on somebody and hypothetical do you

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Speaker 2: want to save one or but you know, pull the

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Speaker 2: lever of the train goes one way, you save one

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Speaker 2: or do you want to save twenty sort of thing,

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Speaker 2: and then you you having to personally say to yourself,

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Speaker 2: the risk of losing all of them. Ish, I just

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you dealt with that, mate.

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Speaker 4: Well it seems worse talking about it, you know now

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Speaker 4: no alternative but to give it a crack.

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Speaker 1: Actually I disagree, Harry, like you've been modest mate.

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Speaker 4: I just most.

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Speaker 1: People just go without too hard.

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Speaker 2: There's no way I want.

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Speaker 1: To try that again, as you're saying, given that you,

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Speaker 1: with all your knowledge, were one hundred percent this isn't

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Speaker 1: going to work. And then to still go through with it,

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Speaker 1: a true sign of some real mental strength there can

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Speaker 1: I ask you when you did put the boys under,

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Speaker 1: they had intramuscular injections in the thigh, so ketamine to

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Speaker 4: What was it.

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Speaker 1: Actually like if you're okay answering this, so the boy

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Speaker 4: We've actually got some audio.

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Speaker 2: We've actually got some audio to illustrate this.

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Speaker 4: This and once they were unconscious, it was basically trying

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Speaker 4: feel comfortable in any way, shape or form about what

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Speaker 4: then tying their hands behind their back. I mean that

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Speaker 4: both those things feel very, very wrong. I felt like

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Speaker 4: euthanasia to me. Yeah, I can't I argue with that imagine.

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Speaker 4: I mean, these guys are you know, Rickers are retired fireman.

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Speaker 4: John's got an it business. Jason's a rope rescue worker

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Speaker 4: Craig's a vet. All these guys are not anthetus. So

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Speaker 4: you know, to teach them and ask of them to

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Speaker 4: All they can do is to touch, feel, and hear

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Speaker 4: the boys breathing, and then to rein esthetize them. You

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Speaker 4: know that is asking a lot. It's basically not asking

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Speaker 4: one of your two guys to do it, and do

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Speaker 4: it in an hour from now. Option they had experience.

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Speaker 4: I turned the lights out in the studio and asked

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Speaker 4: out down to the cafe for an hour Towy, wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: You Yeah, I think I'd hit my own fire with

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Speaker 1: the kedder Man.

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Speaker 4: Would so yeah. I think it showed enormous courage on

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Speaker 4: the part of these other divers to do that.

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Speaker 2: Mate. It is honestly one of the greatest stories I

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Speaker 2: think any of us have in living memory. It was

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Speaker 2: obviously all over the news, and whilst it was the

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Speaker 2: best news. If you haven't seen it, Disney Plus the Rescue,

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Speaker 2: go and watch it yourself. Dr Richard Harris, It's been

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Speaker 2: a pleasure to talking to you, mate. And can I

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Speaker 2: just say, Joel Edgerton, who's going to be playing you

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Speaker 2: in the feature film Thirteen Lives, which is set for

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Speaker 2: release on April, it doesn't hold a candle to you, mate,

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Speaker 2: You are yeah, just I mean an epic bike I

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Speaker 2: reckon in every proposal.

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Speaker 4: I hope he's I hope he's a better actor than me.

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Speaker 1: I heard you wanted Brad Pitt, Harry, They said, sorry, Harry.

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Speaker 4: Can I also mention the Netflix production which is coming

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Speaker 4: out during the year as well, and Corcer is playing

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Speaker 4: me and that's so you choose your favorite, Harry.

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Speaker 2: Really to shave. Your wife hasn't got the same choices. Harry,

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Speaker 2: It's been a pleasure to talk to your mate, honestly,

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Speaker 2: just congratulations. I know this was a while ago, but

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Speaker 2: for everyone else that's reliving this story, the ins and

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Speaker 2: outs of it, you speak beautifully about the whole thing,

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Speaker 2: Mate and all the best Mate. Hopefully we get a

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Speaker 2: chance to bumpage you sometime in the future.

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Speaker 4: That'd be great. Thanks guys.

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Speaker 1: Hear more of the boys on the Full Show podcast.

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Speaker 1: You know you want to