1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio right now, as she does 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: every Tuesday morning. 3 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 2: It is the Opposition leader Leah fanocchiar O. 4 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 3: Goodbrding to you lead morning, Katie and to everyone out 5 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 3: there in this wet and rainy day. 6 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: Yeah nice, real change? Is that nice? And cool? 7 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 4: You're missing out, Alice. 8 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: Now now, Leah, we know that that obviously these petrol prices, 9 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: they are concern for everybody, There's no doubt about that. 10 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: The Opposition is today set to brief the Northern Territory 11 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: Government on your fuel Disclosure Bill, which you are going 12 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: to be presenting, as I understand it to Parliament next week. 13 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 4: Yes, that's right. It's a really exciting day. 14 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 3: So I'll be briefing Minister Eva Laula a little later 15 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 3: this morning on our fuel disclosure legislation and what it's 16 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 3: designed to do is breathe transparency and accountability into the 17 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 3: fuel retailers. We know the A Triple C made a 18 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 3: number of recommendations back in twenty seventeen and one of 19 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 3: them was this legislation which would essentially force retailers to 20 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 3: have to publish their profits, which is you know that 21 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 3: will make a lot of people really uncomfortable, but fuel 22 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 3: is one of those commodities that really make the world 23 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 3: go round. Ultimately, if you can't put fuel in your 24 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 3: car and buses, in delivery vehicles, in your plumbing van, 25 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 3: in your truck at transporting food, you know that the 26 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: prices impact every aspect of our life, and so honesty 27 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 3: and transparency and fuel pricing is critical, particularly at a 28 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: time when that excise is going to hit hard. 29 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 1: Leah, I think that everybody listening this morning would agree 30 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: that they actually want the opposition and the government to 31 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: agree on this one, for there to be that bipartisan approach. 32 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: So what are you going to be saying this morning 33 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: to the Minister for Transport and Infrastructure also the Treasurer 34 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: Evil Laula, to try to get her across the line. 35 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 36 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 3: Well, the legislation itself is very very simple and it 37 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 3: actually genuinely requires government to come on board. 38 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 4: This isn't something that can just pass. 39 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 3: A lot of detail will actually be developed through the regulations, 40 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 3: which of course requires government. You know, as an opposition, 41 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 3: we're a very very small team. We don't have government 42 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 3: departments working for us. You know, for this to work, 43 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 3: it will require government to come on board and say well, yes, 44 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 3: this is something that's going to re transparency and drive 45 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 3: down fuel prices, and I think that's what everyone wants. 46 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 3: So I'll be certainly explaining to Eva how government can 47 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 3: be sculpting this as much as we have. It's not 48 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 3: about whose idea it was, it's about doing something good 49 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 3: for the community. 50 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: So you're prepared to sort of you're not going in 51 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: all guns blazing, You're prepared to have a good chat 52 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: with them about you can change it and how you 53 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: can make sure that this goes. 54 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,399 Speaker 3: Through absolutely, And all legislation is like that. We might 55 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 3: pitch something, whether it's our crime legislation, our economic legislation, 56 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 3: or on fuel, but government can always amend or improve, 57 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 3: you know, there's all of that should be happening in Parliament. 58 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 3: Instead traditionally they just knock us down. And what I 59 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 3: want to say to Eva Laula today is the principle 60 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 3: is solid, the legislation is solid. How can we make 61 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 3: it better? How do you want to put your stamp 62 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 3: on this? But ultimately we need to walk away next 63 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 3: Wednesday from Parliament having debated and passed legislation that is 64 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 3: going to drive down the price of fuel. 65 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 4: That's my goal. 66 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 3: I don't care what it looks like when it comes 67 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 3: out on when day, But if we can secure that 68 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 3: for Territorians, we're going to start to ease cost of 69 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 3: living pressure on people and start to really put pressure 70 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: back on retailers that they have a very significant responsibility 71 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 3: to be making sure that they're making a profit, absolutely, 72 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 3: but that it's fair and reasonable. 73 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: Lea, is the reality here that even with this legislation 74 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: that we're not going to see those prices come down. 75 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: I mean, are you just grandstanding here or going for 76 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: a cheap political point. No. 77 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 4: I think this is something that has worked in the past. 78 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 3: We know, the previous CLP government introduces legislation, it didn't 79 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 3: end up passing before the change of government in twenty sixteen, 80 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 3: but we saw fuel prices drop twenty thirty forty cents. 81 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 3: It was amazing at the time. And ultimately this we 82 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 3: didn't make this up. It came from a recommendation of 83 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 3: the a Triple C and I think we've got to try. 84 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 3: You know, I really do believe it will drive down 85 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 3: fuel prices. But you know, if nothing else, it's going 86 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 3: to certainly have an element of transparency and accountability, which 87 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 3: gives more power to people purchasing fuel and also we'll 88 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 3: really show for all to see whether. 89 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 4: Or not there is goaging at the bowser. 90 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: Well, I'm very keen to hear from our listeners this 91 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: morning that number if you'd like to text through zero 92 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: four double nine seven double one three six zero. Do 93 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 1: you want to see this bill go through? The fuel 94 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,239 Speaker 1: disclosure bill? Do you think it would make a difference, 95 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: Love to hear your thoughts. 96 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: Now, Leah. 97 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: Moving along the police associations calling on the Northern Territory 98 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: government to get to the negotiating table when it comes 99 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: to this pay freeze. Now, I want to ask you 100 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: specifically about the police because we know in Queensland offices 101 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: have been offered an eleven percent pay rise over three 102 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: years plus up to an additional three percent per year 103 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: if CPI exceeds annual wage increases, in addition other improvements 104 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: to allow will to allowances and superannuation all equal. An 105 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: offer which recognizes the importance and of attraction and retention 106 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: is what the association saying. 107 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 2: Lea. Do you think that you know. 108 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: That what they're offering in Queensland is reasonable or what 109 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: would you do if if you're in charge here. 110 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: And if you were at the negotiating title. 111 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,799 Speaker 3: Yes, certainly Queensland have come out with that offer, which 112 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 3: you know, I know, speaking to police over the last 113 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: week or so as certainly raised eyebrows in a good way. 114 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: It's a very attractive deal and I think this is 115 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 3: a huge problem for the territory, you know, and that's 116 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 3: why we've been very clear right from the start we 117 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 3: don't support a pay freeze for any public servants and 118 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 3: of course that includes our hard working police. And we 119 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 3: back Paul mcew and the association's calls for government to 120 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 3: sit at the table. They need to just stop fighting 121 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 3: this and stop digging their heels in. 122 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 4: The payfreeze was a Michael Gunner brain, you. 123 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: Know, normally it was actually a recommendation of Langolan from 124 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: that not no. 125 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 3: It wasn't a recommendation of Langoland at all. Langolande recommended 126 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 3: real wages growth of one thousand dollars per year, which 127 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 3: would then attract all of the you know, superannuation and 128 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 3: you're leaving all those other entitlements. So this, the pay freeze, 129 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 3: is a Michael Gunner construct. Natasha Files has come in 130 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 3: and is continuing with it. But you know, our corrections officers, 131 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 3: our nurses, our fieries, our teachers, our police. 132 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 4: No one wants this thing. 133 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 3: It's not possible with inflation and cost of living the 134 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 3: way it is, so we fully support genuine negotiations at 135 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 3: the table for real way disgrowth. 136 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,799 Speaker 1: I mean, the fact is here though, How on earth 137 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: could we offer an eleven percent pay rise over three 138 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: years in the Northern territory when we don't have the 139 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: money for it. 140 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 4: Well, this is the other problem. 141 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 3: When you blow all your money like a child in 142 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 3: a candy store, you don't have money for the really 143 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 3: important things. And all of the government's mistakes over the 144 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 3: last six years are really coming home to roots. 145 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 4: But what is the price of losing even more? 146 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 3: Police attrition is at eleven percent, we can't put through 147 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 3: enough police in the college as a leaving out the 148 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: other side. And I think what's going to be really 149 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 3: interesting is if people jump ship to Queensland and we 150 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 3: see a mass exodus. 151 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: Do you think that's going to happen? 152 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 3: I'm really yeah, I'm genuinely concerned about it. You get 153 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 3: to the end of the year, people discuss with their 154 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 3: family what do we do next year? You know, being 155 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 3: a copper in the Territory police force is really hard. 156 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 3: We know eighty percent don't support the Commissioner as a 157 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 3: result of that survey. We know ninety percent don't support 158 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 3: the pay freeze. We know ninety percent don't feel there 159 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 3: are enough police. We know morale is low. All of 160 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: these things and when you know you put a big 161 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 3: offer on the table like Queensland have, I'm really scared 162 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 3: we're going to lose, have a big surge of losses. 163 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: Well, we also spoke to the Police Association yesterday about 164 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: the issue of crime, particularly in Alice Springs. Now what 165 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: we know from overnight is an elderly man's reportedly fighting 166 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: for his life in hospital after an alleged aggravated assault 167 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: in Alice Springs last night. So according to the Northern 168 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: Territory News, emergency services were called to the scene out 169 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: the front of the ABC and Alice Springs on Gap 170 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: Road at about nine forty. The Southern Watch Commander has 171 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: said that the Alice Springs man suffered severe injuries in 172 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: the alleged assault. Now we are going to be catching 173 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: up with the Assistant Commissioner in about twenty minutes time 174 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: to find out some further detail. Leah, it's It's not 175 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: yet known if the alleged assault involved one person or 176 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: a group, or whether they were known to the man, 177 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: But this is another shocking incident no matter how you 178 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: look at it. What do you make of the situation 179 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: in Alice Springs right now? 180 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 3: Oh, that's just heartbreaking news, Katie, And certainly my thoughts 181 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 3: are with the man fighting for his life and his 182 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 3: family of course would be traumatized by this. But you know, 183 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 3: it's just another example of things being completely out of 184 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 3: control in the Red Center and it's heartbreaking for that community. 185 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 3: You know, you've got to be down there to feel 186 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 3: the distress in people, the way people are changing their 187 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 3: lives and how they live because of how crime is 188 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 3: just taking over. 189 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 4: And Alice Springs is such a beautiful place. 190 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 3: It is that, you know, the spiritual home of our nation, 191 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 3: and yet people there don't feel safe just doing everyday 192 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 3: activities and it's being dominated by this crime That is 193 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 3: not a crime wave, it is a crime crisis. An 194 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 3: urgent attention needs to be put on it. 195 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: Do you think that the government is taking this as 196 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: seriously as they should be. I mean, we know that 197 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: they're the review that was being conducted as I understand 198 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: it by Janick Kerr. There is some work happening in 199 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: this space, but do you think that there is as 200 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: much urgency to this issue as there needs to be 201 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: right now? 202 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 4: Absolutely not. 203 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 3: And I think my colleague Josh Bergoin, a member for 204 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 3: Brackling down there, said it well this week, when you 205 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 3: know you've got Naria Kit jumping up and down on 206 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 3: behalf of people in malacc and Kurama and bang there's 207 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: a million bucks for security in two suburbs, where's the 208 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 3: security for Alice Springs. I mean, you would need to 209 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 3: have a security team in every single suburb. It's completely 210 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 3: out of control and this government just is like out 211 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 3: of sight, out of mind for Alice. 212 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: One thing that he's been questioned, and certainly Paul McHugh 213 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: from the Police Association spoke to us about this yesterday 214 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: is the misuse of alcohol. Now, obviously we know that 215 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: alcohol has a huge impact right around the Northern Territory, 216 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: whether it's Alice Springs or anywhere else. But he told 217 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: us yesterday on the show that there was two hundred 218 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: and seventeen refusals per day on bottle shops on average, 219 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: so that's more than ninety percent of those refusals were 220 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: for intoxication. Now there are fifteen parties as I understand it, 221 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 1: on those bottle shops. There's funding for forty two of them. Now, 222 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: when there's not enough of those parties on the bottle shops, 223 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: constables step in to do that role. 224 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 2: According to the Association. 225 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: Now that is since the Stronger Future's legislation ended about 226 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: seventy days ago. LEA, do you think that we need 227 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: to reassist having those parties on bottle shops? I mean, 228 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: should that be the role of security rather than having 229 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: security patrolling straits. 230 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 3: Well, this is the big debate we had right at 231 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 3: the start when the Riley Review actually didn't recommend police 232 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 3: on bottle shops at all. They recommended licensing inspectors. Now, 233 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 3: the government came up with the PALI program, which has 234 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 3: been highly effective, and the CLP has always supported police 235 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 3: on bottle shops. 236 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong. 237 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 3: But you know, whether or not there's a different role 238 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 3: for the private sector to be able to play has 239 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 3: to be looked at, particularly with our police attrition numbers. 240 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 3: But you know, and I've certainly been to alice beings, 241 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 3: I've gone to bottle shops and seen constables standing there 242 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 3: and you know, there's crime happening just down the street, 243 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 3: and yet you've got this resource standing at a bottle shop. Now, 244 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 3: the fact that since the end of the Stronger Futures 245 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 3: legislation we've seen a quadrupling of the number of refusals 246 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 3: shows just how serious this alcohol issue is and that 247 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 3: the government completely pulled the rug out from underneath territorians 248 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 3: without doing proper consultation and planning for the expiration of 249 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: that legislature. 250 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: Do you think we should be reviewing having those palis 251 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: on bottle shops. 252 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 3: I think we absolutely need palis on bottle shops. Whether 253 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 3: we can bolster that with you know, some sort of 254 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 3: private sector mechanism, it should be looked at. But we 255 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 3: absolutely should not remove palis and want to be very 256 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 3: very clear about that. They have the most profound impact. 257 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 3: You know, the minimum flaw price is shown to just 258 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 3: you know, push people onto harder spirits. A BDR has 259 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 3: some effectiveness, but could be made a lot better. The 260 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 3: government's reluctant to review it for some reason. So you know, 261 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 3: so there are are minimal measures that are actually working 262 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 3: in palis is absolutely one that does so. 263 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: Certainly keep them on the bottle shops. I mean, what 264 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: do you make though of what Paul mckeue said. The 265 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: constables are then being forced to stand on those bottle 266 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: shops rather than being able to do their jobs on 267 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: the ground. 268 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 4: And see that's a problem, that is an absolute problem. 269 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 3: And that is where you know, Alice Springs is funded 270 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 3: for forty two spots, why they're only fifteen. You know, 271 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 3: this is a question for police command but also the 272 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 3: Police Minister because resourcing is clearly not adequate for our 273 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 3: police force. And again that attrition means they probably cannot 274 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 3: recruit enough palies to fill these jobs. And this is 275 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 3: a major major problem which it stems right back to 276 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 3: too much crime. People don't want to do that job. 277 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 3: Pay freeze people don't want to do that job. 278 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: And so the. 279 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 4: Government's really got to look at it. 280 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 3: All of its policy positioning is leading us into this 281 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 3: downward spiral. It's not just one thing, it's multiple problems, 282 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 3: and the government just keep bearing its head in the sand. 283 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 3: They don't want to they don't want to tackle this 284 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 3: major issue. 285 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: Leah Finocchio, we are going to have to leave it there. 286 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: We've run out of time. As always, appreciate your time 287 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: this morning. We'll talk to you again very soon. 288 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 4: Thanks everyone, take care, Thank you.