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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine's

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Speaker 1: three sixteen. I'll tell you what, well, Jerry, what our

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Speaker 1: old mate Jerry joins me in this studio. Good morning, Jerry.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. I know twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Now Nah, Well, we love having you in the studio

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Speaker 1: and i'll tell you what you sent me a little

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Speaker 1: bit of background information this morning when it came to

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Speaker 1: the situation that we saw late yesterday that put us

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Speaker 1: all in a bit of chaos. I think you'd agree

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Speaker 1: with the power out each now we caught up with

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Speaker 1: power and water earlier today. They said it wasn't an

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Speaker 1: issue with supply of gas to those generators out at

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Speaker 1: Channel Island, but it was an issue with the actual

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Speaker 1: gas infrastructure. Now, Jerry, you've been involved over the years. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: as we all know, you have retired from politics. However,

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Speaker 1: you're involved in a number of sort of I guess,

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Speaker 1: different hearings into our power networks and our power infrastructure, etc.

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Speaker 1: Here in the territory.

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Speaker 2: Well, in two thousand and nine, fourteen thousand households in

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Speaker 2: Darwen and Catherine lost their power and that was a

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Speaker 2: problem with a condensate getting into the gas pipeline and

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Speaker 2: then getting into the filters, and then the power was

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Speaker 2: completely shut down. It was an issue about gas coming

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Speaker 2: from me and I through their new plant. But I

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Speaker 2: suppose the issue for us then was to find out why.

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Speaker 2: And we had him placed there in the Council of

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Speaker 2: the chair, and you had to c LP and two

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Speaker 2: John Lfrik asked for the committee to look at it,

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Speaker 2: because we could look at anything that we wished to

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Speaker 2: look at. And now we have another similar case where

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Speaker 2: and I was lucky enough how it springs to lose

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Speaker 2: its power, that's not where I am. It would have

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Speaker 2: still pretty hot. Nora probably wouldn't have noticed because sitting

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Speaker 2: under the back for enda with a fan. But I

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Speaker 2: thought to myself, well, the government's got rid of its

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Speaker 2: scrutiny committeees. Now people might understand that the scrutiny committee

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Speaker 2: wasn't just about looking at legislation. The scrutiny committees had

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Speaker 2: own motion power, so they could have a look at

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Speaker 2: an ideal one to look at that there was an

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Speaker 2: economic Scrutiny committee. Now, obviously if the power goes off

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Speaker 2: for a few hours, it does affect the economy, especially

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Speaker 2: a small business. It's not necessarily a blame thing, but

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Speaker 2: it actually allows the public to find out in a

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Speaker 2: for the power going out for that time length of time.

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Speaker 2: Now it relates to the gas and that's what that

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Speaker 2: inquiry in two thousand and nine looked at as well.

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Speaker 2: So I thought to myself, well, I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: the government, by getting rid of the scrutiny communities, has

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Speaker 2: removed an opportunity for itself, the government to investigate Power

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Speaker 2: the blackout.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because the big thing I guess from yesterday's blackout

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Speaker 1: is while we've heard from Power and Water and also

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Speaker 1: the Minister today that there is going to be an

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Speaker 1: investigation to determine exactly what's gone wrong. If that infrastructure

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Speaker 1: is actually is not their infrastructure, is not Power and

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Speaker 1: Water's infrastructure, well then you wonder whether that report's going

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Speaker 1: to be made public. But then in addition to that,

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Speaker 1: you wonder whether you know the issue that we saw

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Speaker 1: yesterday has had any impact on power and water's infrastructure,

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Speaker 1: i e. Those generators.

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Speaker 2: Well, you would hope that if the if gas stop,

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Speaker 2: they immediately shut down. They do they used to. I

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Speaker 2: whether they've got any other source of supply. There is

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Speaker 2: more than one power station, of course there's and this

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Speaker 2: issue of what was the cause and why was it course,

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Speaker 2: and who's responsible into gas? The people respond for the

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Speaker 2: keeping power and water into gas on their toes, making

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd said to me, so Power and Water had

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Speaker 1: then of course they know. Then of course Power Water

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Speaker 1: has the infrastructure as I understand it. At Channel Island.

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Speaker 2: That's why there's a pipeline owner of the pipeline or

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Speaker 2: with someone who's in charge of that. But there's also

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Speaker 2: I think the supplier of the gas the gas, and

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Speaker 2: then there's power and water.

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Speaker 1: Gee, it's confusing, isn't it like the labor to try

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Speaker 2: I sometimes think the provision of power in the oldn

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Speaker 2: people that are coming to the market and solar they're

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Speaker 2: private people. You have a government operation which runs Channel

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Speaker 2: Island and Widell and they are in all the infrastructure.

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Speaker 2: Then you have private people with solar on their roofs,

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Speaker 2: and government wanted to put more and more emphasis onto

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Speaker 2: solo and we've still got to run gas to keep

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Speaker 2: where this where How does it all work? In the

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Speaker 2: sense that we are paying still a large amount of

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Speaker 2: this subsidy we pay through the GST money have one

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Speaker 2: hundred million dollars to keep our cost of our electricity.

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Speaker 2: I think it's around about twenty two cents a kilo

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Speaker 2: what And when I actually asked a power and water

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Speaker 2: what would it cost if we didn't have the subsidy,

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Speaker 2: it'd be about forty four cents of killer what. So

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Speaker 2: the government always says we have powers at a good price,

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Speaker 2: but it doesn't tell you that we are subsidizing it

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Speaker 2: to the tune of about one hundred million dollars. That's

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Speaker 2: community service obligation they call it, and you find that

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Speaker 2: in the back pages of the budget if you're ever

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Speaker 2: looking for it. So, yeah, that's a broader issue about

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Speaker 2: how everything's going to fit together, who's going to pay

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Speaker 2: for what, and will all the private development that's coming

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Speaker 2: going to have a bigger debt because it's got less

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Speaker 1: Well, and I'll tell you what. If there's one thing

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Speaker 1: for a couple of hours yesterday, it's still forty nine

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Speaker 1: thousand people. That's right.

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Speaker 2: But that's where Scrutiny Committee could inquire and you can

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Speaker 2: go along to those meetings. The only alternative that is

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Speaker 2: the Parliamentary Accounts Committee. But these are all controlled by

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Speaker 2: the government these days, so if they don't want to

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Speaker 2: do it, then you haven't got much hope. Whereas before

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Speaker 2: with the Council Territory Cooperation had an independent chair.

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Speaker 1: So you reckon that should be back in.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely think so, because it allowed the parliamentarians at all

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Speaker 2: side the freedom. They weren't bound by you know, what

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Speaker 2: the party said here though, were bound by what was

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Speaker 2: you know, the public would like to find out about.

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Speaker 2: So we had the Mataranca you know where the cattle

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Speaker 2: died at Mataranca. We had issues about domestic violence. We

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Speaker 2: were looking at the Sight Hit program or the houses.

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Speaker 2: We travel all over the place looking at those houses.

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Speaker 2: So we had a role that allowed the public to

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Speaker 2: find out what was actually going on. Now it's very

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Speaker 2: hard these days to find out what's going on unless

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Speaker 2: through the media.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's right, and then sometimes we struggle to find out.

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Speaker 2: Well, at least when you have a public inquiry, it's

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Speaker 2: out there for the public to hear and they can

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Speaker 2: come along to those meetings. And I think that that's

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Speaker 2: a healthy environment. But now we've got real scrutiny committees.

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Speaker 2: I think we've gone backwards.

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Speaker 1: Well, Jerry, would I tell you what? It's always good

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Speaker 1: to catch up with you, mate. We miss you. How's

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Speaker 1: retirement going?

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Speaker 2: As busy as anything, plenty of work. I'm firing, and

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Speaker 2: I should say we're looking at trying to bring out

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Speaker 2: an anthology for doctor John Hargraves, and I might come

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Speaker 2: and speak to you later about how we're looking at

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Speaker 2: trying to raise money for that. Joctor John Hargraves was

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Speaker 2: a famous doctor that worked at East arm leprosy the

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Speaker 2: Lepus Areum and did a lot of work throughout the

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Speaker 2: top end with especially with Aboriginal people. And he worked

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Speaker 2: in East Tmoor and West Teamoor with facial reconstruction. Wow,

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Speaker 2: very famous, very you know, he was very humble doctor,

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Speaker 2: So maybe not everyone heard of him, but a fantastic person.

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Speaker 2: He died in Hobart earlier this year and we don't

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Speaker 2: want his name to disappear because he's left such a

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Speaker 2: great legacy. And so I'll get back to you and

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Speaker 2: we know a.

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Speaker 1: Little bit more good. Yeah, we're always happy to have

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Speaker 1: you on, Jerry. We miss our regular chats, mate. We

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Speaker 1: wrot you on the week that was. I like it

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Speaker 1: when you send me a text here and there.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'll keep them, yeah, I'll keep them on their toes.

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Speaker 2: Want to hear a lot of rubbishman spoken.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you do. Mate. You're missed, there's no doubt

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Speaker 1: about it. Good on you, Jerry, Thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: coming in this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie,