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Speaker 1: Welcome back guys to TV Reload. As you may know,
Speaker 1: my name is Benjamin Norris and this is your podcast
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Speaker 1: shows you may be watching from around the world. Underniably,
Speaker 1: our TV sets are a major part of our home entertainment,
Speaker 1: and yet very little is known about how our favorite
Speaker 1: shows get made. So each episode I've been finding guests
Speaker 1: they want to dive just that little bit deeper into
Speaker 1: their shows they're currently making, so that you can hear
Speaker 1: all their exclusive stories and gain access to the biggest
Speaker 1: names in Australian television. On today's podcast, I have Ossie
Speaker 1: actor Guidon Grantly here to talk about his time on
Speaker 1: The Traders, which launched its second series on Network ten
Speaker 1: this week. Guiden is best known for his portrayal of
Speaker 1: convicted murderer and drug trafficker Carl Williams on the hit
Speaker 1: Australian television show under Belly, for which he was nominated
Speaker 1: for Most Outstanding Actor and a Drama Series and Most
Speaker 1: Popular Actor, winning the two thousand and nine Logie Award
Speaker 1: for Most Outstanding Actor I found out today that he
Speaker 1: has over fifty four credits on IMDb for his work
Speaker 1: at Australian TV and film, one of my favorites being
Speaker 1: House Husbands, for which he did five seasons. However, audiences
Speaker 1: were delighted to hear that Giton joined The Traders, which
Speaker 1: sees everyday Ossie's joined by some familiar faces. Taking on
Speaker 1: the popular reality series, The Traders features a group of
Speaker 1: twenty four contestants who move into a grand Heritage hotel
Speaker 1: who work as a team to uncover who is a
Speaker 1: Trader and who is a faithful. The show picked up
Speaker 1: a cult following last year, with many incarnations over the
Speaker 1: world and plenty of people falling in love with this
Speaker 1: exciting new format. I will find out how Goton was
Speaker 1: asked to be on the show and if Roger Coursa
Speaker 1: had anything to do with it. We will unpack the
Speaker 1: first week's twists and turns, finding out what might have
Speaker 1: gone wrong for Guiden and how we might have been
Speaker 1: better to play the game. Goten will share what the
Speaker 1: contestants really think of Ash Pollard, if Elias was the
Speaker 1: main reason for his demise, and what happened to Sam's blindside.
Speaker 1: Plus We will get plenty of exclusives from behind the
Speaker 1: scenes of The Traders, which can take news next Monday
Speaker 1: night at seven thirty on Network ten and you can
Speaker 1: catch up on ten Play Now anyway, let's bring Gyton
Speaker 1: into the podcast. And I'm also really excited to be
Speaker 1: sharing this with a lot of the Traders super fans
Speaker 1: who I know are out there.
Speaker 2: Hey, Buddy Hawaii, I'm fine and dandy.
Speaker 1: I am so shocked that you're already out of The
Speaker 1: Traders Series two, Episode two? Are you pissed off?
Speaker 2: Are you? Are you really shocked? Did I ever stand
Speaker 2: a chance? As soon as everyone got savvy to the
Speaker 2: fact that I was an actor, I just didn't stand
Speaker 2: a chance. I reckon, you're.
Speaker 1: Gonna hate this. No one likes to be given a compliment,
Speaker 1: but ver calming energy about yourself, like you want to
Speaker 1: be your friend, and so I just immediately thought you
Speaker 1: being on this show, your personality type with disarmed people,
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't be so quick to try and cut you.
Speaker 2: That was my hope. I've been off and asked what
Speaker 2: was my strategy. If I were to say I had one,
Speaker 2: it would be the heart. My hope was that I
Speaker 2: would last at least a week so that I could
Speaker 2: gain people's affection and possibly trust, because obviously my biggest
Speaker 2: worry and handicap was that I was an actor, a
Speaker 2: professional wiar and no one would trust me. So in
Speaker 2: terms of my characteristics, if people got to know me
Speaker 2: a bit better, they'd feel, like you say, calm and
Speaker 2: feel safe around me. But I just didn't get the
Speaker 2: time to do it. I throw it under the bus
Speaker 2: very early.
Speaker 1: How did they approach you to do this show? Because
Speaker 1: the first season was all civilians and then this season
Speaker 1: we've been peppered with celebrities. How did you get casts?
Speaker 1: Maybe it's your favorite show. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, that's an interesting term that you use, civilians. A
Speaker 2: certain contestant used that term and it didn't go down
Speaker 2: well amongst the quote unquote civilians. But look, I think
Speaker 2: that's actually the whole point of it is that we're
Speaker 2: all the same when it comes to telling lies. That's
Speaker 2: what I was trying to campaign to save myself, is
Speaker 2: that we all have the ability to see each other,
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what our profession. But the question was how
Speaker 2: did I get involved? I was approached. I was a
Speaker 2: big fan of playing alien in my twenties at the
Speaker 2: dinner parties with a few bottles of wine and ten
Speaker 2: or so friends. I was pretty good at it and
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it. So the opportunity competed in this
Speaker 2: situation is really exciting.
Speaker 1: So do they hit you up on Instagram? Or did
Speaker 1: Roger pass over your phone number? I want to know, like,
Speaker 1: how did this happen?
Speaker 2: Through my agent? Here the proper channels. I watched the
Speaker 2: first season, the Australian one, and did a little bit
Speaker 2: of googling of some of the other English speaking seasons
Speaker 2: around the world, and I was in. I was like,
Speaker 2: this is that one.
Speaker 1: I haven't watched the Dutch version with the subtitles.
Speaker 2: Does it translate with all their lies?
Speaker 1: And yes, it was just as good. I think that's
Speaker 1: where I might be getting this wrong, but I think
Speaker 1: that's where the heritage of the show is. I think
Speaker 1: that's where it originated, so it might have been its
Speaker 1: first incarnation. But I really got involved with the lies,
Speaker 1: the deceit, and the ability to be good at this
Speaker 1: sort of a show.
Speaker 2: Well, the Dutch have this personality kind of trait where
Speaker 2: they're very direct and you can come across as quite
Speaker 2: rude they're just being honest. So I can imagine that
Speaker 2: would make for very interesting situations in that show.
Speaker 1: But even your character that you've played, you know because
Speaker 1: of Underbelly, which you know Carl Williams is a bad guy.
Speaker 1: But then I think of you more and this goes
Speaker 1: to show you the type of television I watch is
Speaker 1: from house Husbands. And my question on top of all
Speaker 1: of that is how does the general public usually see you?
Speaker 1: Do they normally see you more for the bad guys
Speaker 1: that you've played on television or for the good guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, like even Carl. The reason why Carl Williams
Speaker 2: got away with anything he did was because no one
Speaker 2: assumed that he was the evil person that he was,
Speaker 2: because he was appable, deepy, kind of blundering idiot. He
Speaker 2: was a pretty nice guy. Really was definitely not threatening.
Speaker 2: Sure he was a very evil person, but he didn't
Speaker 2: come across that way. I feel like when I act,
Speaker 2: when anyone acts, really you're just just emphasizing parts of yourself.
Speaker 2: All you can do is use who you are and
Speaker 2: amplify parts of that. So maybe that is who I
Speaker 2: am and nice.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny. I remember night going out with So
Speaker 1: a friend of mine was in the first season of
Speaker 1: Underbelly and after filming one day we all went out.
Speaker 1: Well I got invited to come along, not we and
Speaker 1: so I went to a nightclub on Grevell Street in
Speaker 1: Melbourne and people responded to Vince Colossimo like a gangster already.
Speaker 1: And then I ran into him years later, and it
Speaker 1: had sort of accentuated itself because of that character of
Speaker 1: Alphonse Gandritano that he played. So that's why I was curious,
Speaker 1: because it seems like the general public has an idea
Speaker 1: of who you are without really ever knowing who you are,
Speaker 1: because you're an actor.
Speaker 2: I guess, So I guess. I mean, that's what we
Speaker 2: do when we put ourselves out there, isn't it. We
Speaker 2: throw ourselves over to perception and misconception to the public. Look,
Speaker 2: Vince is actually really lovely guy. You know. I've known
Speaker 2: him for quite a long time now, and you know
Speaker 2: he's had his troubles and he comes through over the time.
Speaker 2: But at the heart he's a sweetheart. And we're all
Speaker 2: got our public faces, don't we, even whether we're in
Speaker 2: the media or not. And you've got to spend the
Speaker 2: time we really get to know, people, I think you know.
Speaker 1: What I also think is really interesting about your elimination
Speaker 1: is what do you think of this? I think the
Speaker 1: show would be cool if the viewers maybe didn't know
Speaker 1: who the traders were, so it was a bit like
Speaker 1: the Mole where we had to try and guess who
Speaker 1: the traders were. Or what would be good is imagine
Speaker 1: if it was live and so you filmed all of
Speaker 1: it up until that last part each week, and then
Speaker 1: the public would eliminate someone that night and then you
Speaker 1: go back into production. I know that's a very expensive show,
Speaker 1: but I think that would be an even better version
Speaker 1: of this show, and I think you would survive a
Speaker 1: lot longer with the public's vote.
Speaker 2: Both are great ideas. I think they've both got a
Speaker 2: lot of tent I think I guess there's the idea
Speaker 2: of reality TV and the audience just gets to yell
Speaker 2: at the TV like basically they can spend the whole
Speaker 2: hour every night you eat it. These people they're morons.
Speaker 2: But yeah, definitely works the way you're proposing as well.
Speaker 2: It would certainly make it more intriguing and exciting to
Speaker 2: wait and see who who it is, And yeah, maybe
Speaker 2: it might have helped my chances quite a lot. You know.
Speaker 1: I had a friend who had a very similar hairstyle
Speaker 1: to you in this series, and he loved the man
Speaker 1: Bun and wore it on the show, and then once
Speaker 1: he watched it back, he was not as big a
Speaker 1: fan of the hair Bun and the Man Bun, I
Speaker 1: should say anymore? Were there any details? Now it sounds
Speaker 1: like I'm onto your hair Man Bun as though that's
Speaker 1: a regret, and it's not. But it was there anything?
Speaker 1: But was there anything watching it back that made you think, Oh,
Speaker 1: I wish I would have prepared that differently.
Speaker 2: No, you're right. It's a good point because it's a
Speaker 2: first time I've done reality TV. I've done plenty of interviews,
Speaker 2: but everything's prepared. I guess in that respect, he's got
Speaker 2: the time to make sure everything's in his right place
Speaker 2: and looking good or all bad however you want it
Speaker 2: to be. Yeah, when you're throwing yourself out there just
Speaker 2: to be you know, with twenty or so cameras hiding
Speaker 2: behind bushes trying to catch you, it's a bit different.
Speaker 2: But I was. In terms of the man Bun, I've
Speaker 2: never had long hands. The first time I grew to
Speaker 2: have a COVID and I was like, this is great.
Speaker 2: I'm going to rock this for a while.
Speaker 1: I want to know about this relationship with you and Roger.
Speaker 1: We've talked a bit about Underbelly. Both of you were
Speaker 1: co stars. Did you get a chance to catch up
Speaker 1: during filming or did you try and distance yourself from that.
Speaker 2: Oh, he was very well behaved. It wouldn't have been fair,
Speaker 2: I guess, or seemed there if we had little chats
Speaker 2: here and there. So the only kind of interaction we
Speaker 2: had was he gave me a wink at the very beginning,
Speaker 2: and I gave him a wink back. But afterwards, after
Speaker 2: my banishment, he came and picked me up from the
Speaker 2: room and took me down to the local village and
Speaker 2: we had to be had a good old catch up
Speaker 2: there and talked it all over.
Speaker 1: I just was assuming that he'd give you some tips.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was there hosting the first series, so
Speaker 1: I thought when he found out that you were going
Speaker 1: to be on it, he would have wrung you up
Speaker 1: and given you some tips on how to do it,
Speaker 1: or helped you with the research.
Speaker 2: He's a consummate professional. He kept his lips sealed, and
Speaker 2: you know, wish me well, and that was that.
Speaker 1: What did you think of Annabelle's breakdown at the end
Speaker 1: of your well, just as you've been eliminated? Was that genuine?
Speaker 1: I mean it seemed very over the top.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so look, everything's different when it comes down to
Speaker 2: the edit. Sometimes those banishments can go on for over
Speaker 2: an hour, so everyone was very tired. But her breakdown
Speaker 2: had occurred earlier, when it seemed like everyone had turned
Speaker 2: on me or they'd given up on blindsighting Ash, and
Speaker 2: I guess she felt like she betrayed me, but she
Speaker 2: still voted for me as well. So at the time
Speaker 2: I was positive that she was a sociopath because because
Speaker 2: she clearly voted for me and was clearly crying. So
Speaker 2: it just didn't make sense.
Speaker 1: How can you be like vote someone off the competition
Speaker 1: and then burst into tears, but the mind boggles.
Speaker 2: I think maybe she felt like, at the very very
Speaker 2: last second, she had to go with the go with
Speaker 2: the group, otherwise it would seem it would make her
Speaker 2: put her in a precarious situation. If she voted for
Speaker 2: Ash and she was the only one or one of
Speaker 2: two or three, then it would put her out in
Speaker 2: the open and so maybe at the very last minute
Speaker 2: she realized she had to switch and that broke her heart. Perhaps, Look,
Speaker 2: Adabelle and I have chatted quite a lot since the
Speaker 2: show's finished, and she's she's a sweetheart and there's no
Speaker 2: hard feelings.
Speaker 1: But she also referred to as her dad. She was like,
Speaker 1: he's like my dad, and I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if that was the right way to describe the relationship.
Speaker 2: I'm not ready for that yet. And I mean, I've
Speaker 2: got kids, but they're all under the age of six.
Speaker 2: So maybe maybe Keith Keith could play you play that part. Yeah, Look,
Speaker 2: a lot of us have have kept kept in contact.
Speaker 2: We don't actually know the results, but that's been kept
Speaker 2: in the dark from us. But we've been able to
Speaker 2: communicate on a WhatsApp group and stuff like that, so
Speaker 2: and there's been little catch ups and stuff. So yeah, look,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it's just a game
Speaker 2: and no.
Speaker 1: One actually died, which I thought was perfectly said.
Speaker 2: How that comes in just the right moment. There's no bullshit.
Speaker 2: We had her and she's not ashamed or afraid to
Speaker 2: be her. She is and she is the first person
Speaker 2: I met, and we spent quite a long tom. That's
Speaker 2: what made me get so terrified that I was suspicious
Speaker 2: of her because she kind of shied away from me
Speaker 2: for a while, and so I got to start throwing
Speaker 2: out accusations. Otherwise people don't think you're trying. And I
Speaker 2: was adamant, but she was a trader. But I was wrong.
Speaker 2: My tradar was very off.
Speaker 1: How does this thing happen? So you know, when they
Speaker 1: write down your names, So they were going to blindside
Speaker 1: Ash Pollard, right, and so it looked like that was
Speaker 1: what was going to happen. But all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: that's not how it unfolded. But didn't everyone have to
Speaker 1: write their names down before they started flipping them? Or
Speaker 1: when you get your time to say who you're going
Speaker 1: to you know, eliminate? Is that when you write down
Speaker 1: the name? Because I couldn't work that out because I
Speaker 1: was like, all of these people that are about to
Speaker 1: blindside Ash Pollard, all of a sudden they didn't. I
Speaker 1: don't understand. There was something not adding up for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, Ben, I didn't understand either, which is by
Speaker 2: the end of the day, it's just what I'm talking
Speaker 2: to you now. I'm not in a few weeks from now. Look,
Speaker 2: you're right. Look you've got to remember that there's a
Speaker 2: law of time condensed into a short period. So I
Speaker 2: didn't really have any choice. It was my only lifeline.
Speaker 2: When it was the idea was brought to me, I
Speaker 2: was like, that sounds great, as long as it's not me.
Speaker 2: And I guess in the discussions that happened before people
Speaker 2: write down someone's name, there was a lot of heat
Speaker 2: coming towards them away. I did my best to defend myself,
Speaker 2: and I still can't think of any other way of
Speaker 2: how I could have convinced people that I was faithful.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, it was very early on,
Speaker 2: so people are just happy to save their neck make
Speaker 2: a sacrifice. I honestly think a lot of people believed
Speaker 2: I was faithful, but they just went with the group.
Speaker 1: I agree, I really do.
Speaker 2: In terms of what happened with Ash, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure why they all switched, which did make
Speaker 2: me feel quite received, but also made me wonder why
Speaker 2: they needed to go to that extravagant kind of ruse
Speaker 2: to ease my anxiety or something, because I already knew
Speaker 2: I was going to go, So I don't know why
Speaker 2: they created this. I this pretend story that they're all
Speaker 2: going to vote for Ash. But now having watched the show,
Speaker 2: I could see that sam Ra actually was trying to
Speaker 2: organize that. So I don't know what happened, Ben, Honestly,
Speaker 2: I don't know how all of a sudden everyone wrote
Speaker 2: my name down, not Ashes.
Speaker 1: But when do you write does the name right get
Speaker 1: written down before everyone reveals, or do they write get
Speaker 1: the name down as you.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we all write them down at the same time.
Speaker 2: So we all sit down and we all have a
Speaker 2: big argument about all sorts of things. Everyone throws silly
Speaker 2: accusations out and recaps things with wrong, wrong recollections. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of defending going on, and we're going but
Speaker 2: I didn't say that, And then eventually Roger were saying, okay,
Speaker 2: everyone time to write the name down, and so we
Speaker 2: all do it at the exact same time. So it's
Speaker 2: not like you're going to get to see, oh, ship
Speaker 2: five people have written down Gun's name. I better too,
Speaker 2: So I guess the vibe was out there. I mean
Speaker 2: there's there's there's like looks that you can prow across
Speaker 2: at each other. Sam kept looking at me saying mouthing
Speaker 2: the word weight like again, I feel like he was
Speaker 2: just trying to ease my pain and wait for what mate,
Speaker 2: wait for my desk? So yeah, that can happen. But yeah,
Speaker 2: to answer your question, yeah, Roger just says time to
Speaker 2: do it, and we all do it at the same time.
Speaker 1: Ash Pollard is getting a hard ride already. Episode two.
Speaker 1: We can start to see that, and we were just
Speaker 1: briefly talking about that blindside that never happened, you know.
Speaker 1: And it seems like from what we're about to see
Speaker 1: next week that Sam and Blake, who are her two
Speaker 1: traders are after her? Are we not seeing everything here?
Speaker 1: Is Ash a bit of a complicated character? I mean,
Speaker 1: is she hard to get along with? Or what thread
Speaker 1: has been pulled on her story for both other traders
Speaker 1: to now be turning on her.
Speaker 2: Look, I'd say the reason why they're turning well, Sam's
Speaker 2: turning on her is just purely tactical. Ash certainly did
Speaker 2: have some discrepancies with other players. She didn't get off
Speaker 2: to a great start with some people. But I don't
Speaker 2: know of anything huge that went down. I was unaware
Speaker 2: of it. I think it was purely tactical. Sam can
Speaker 2: see the potential, and just it's better to manage if
Speaker 2: it's just him and Blake. And I'm sure Blake's down
Speaker 2: with that too. It's like, we're great, it's just you
Speaker 2: and me now, buddy, let's let's manage it this way.
Speaker 2: And there's always the chance that you can come in
Speaker 2: every official term, but you can bring someone in later
Speaker 2: on in the season to join you as a trader. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Maybe they didn't trust her, you know, maybe they just
Speaker 2: thought that she was too much allowed now, or she
Speaker 2: did have a fish slip up. Didn't she like she
Speaker 2: wasn't as safe as they were. I guess you could say.
Speaker 1: Another question I had for you was about a Lias
Speaker 1: because you know, in that first episode, he really gave
Speaker 1: people enough of a reason to go after you. He
Speaker 1: kind of put a hole in your boat which was
Speaker 1: too hard to fix for the second episode. Do you
Speaker 1: think that if he hadn't brought your name up so
Speaker 1: hard in the first elimination that you might have been
Speaker 1: able to survive a few more episodes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. Like I said earlier, my hope was
Speaker 2: to survive at least a week or for four or
Speaker 2: five days, to gain people's affection, you know, so they
Speaker 2: then hopefullly a bit of trust, and it really did,
Speaker 2: really did hamper my chances, and gosh, I've thought back
Speaker 2: on a lot, and I don't think there's much else
Speaker 2: I could have done to defend myself or convince people
Speaker 2: of my innocence. Gosh, I've had thoughts of that. Maybe
Speaker 2: I should have just gone in full evil and just
Speaker 2: started making up stories about people and just really rocked
Speaker 2: the boat. It's not in my nature, but I think
Speaker 2: maybe if I had a second chance, i'd try that.
Speaker 2: I'd actually mentally prepare for that and go in just
Speaker 2: full evil and you know, just enjoy really messing with people.
Speaker 2: But I thought it would be best to keep honest
Speaker 2: and be myself. It's probably a lot easier and safer
Speaker 2: to do that. And then kind of midway then you
Speaker 2: really have to start the strategy of alliances and grouping
Speaker 2: together to just knock people out and find out who's who.
Speaker 1: I just don't understand why. If I was there and
Speaker 1: I was a part of the series, I would get
Speaker 1: rid of Luke straight away, regardless of anything he said
Speaker 1: or did, because he's one big brother the IP. He's
Speaker 1: been on two seasons of survivor. We know he's a
Speaker 1: dog like no matter what I would what he said
Speaker 1: or did, I would go around to make sure we
Speaker 1: got rid of him. Episode one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, like he said in one of his little interviews,
Speaker 2: is like he was quick off the mark to go
Speaker 2: and form friendships, kind of like I hope to do.
Speaker 2: I think he just give him a lot faster. He's
Speaker 2: such a good gra areous, tall, handsome, lovable kind of character.
Speaker 2: And hey, he's he's a reality TV star, so a
Speaker 2: lot of these people are big fans of him. Half
Speaker 2: of the guys and they didn't even know who I
Speaker 2: was because they're quite young, and so it did take
Speaker 2: a Lias to calling me out as an actor for
Speaker 2: them to realize that I was a potential threat. And
Speaker 2: that's why I went for him. I wasn't positively positive,
Speaker 2: but he was a trader, but I thought he's going
Speaker 2: to be my best chance of knocking someone else out
Speaker 2: or at least taking the heat off me. But it
Speaker 2: did work, you know.
Speaker 1: Pam Miranda said that it's important to get work now
Speaker 1: in both scripted and unscorted reality. Is that you know,
Speaker 1: will we see more of you doing some reality and
Speaker 1: following peer Miranda's sort of I guess opening up both
Speaker 1: doors because I mean, she was saying, when you're an actor,
Speaker 1: it's hard you're as waiting for those calls and there's
Speaker 1: not as much work in Australia as we would like.
Speaker 1: So she's like, why wouldn't I now lean into unscripted
Speaker 1: reality as well as doing her scripted dramas. You know
Speaker 1: what about you? Has this been a good taste of
Speaker 1: your reality experience? Will you do more? Or you kind
Speaker 1: of burnt out?
Speaker 2: Had Anthony's The Australian industry is in a huge kind
Speaker 2: of evolution. I'd say streaming TV is affecting it. Really,
Speaker 2: a lot of local content has really stopped being made,
Speaker 2: and if it is being made as a co production
Speaker 2: with Britain or America and so then only huge stars
Speaker 2: are kind of wanted. You're always Greeners and you're all
Speaker 2: Saints and you kind of your house husbands. Those local
Speaker 2: shows they're just not really being made anymore. So for
Speaker 2: the Australian actor, it's getting really tough to get work.
Speaker 2: So reality TV is starting to look very you know, appealing,
Speaker 2: and so that's one of the reasons why I did
Speaker 2: this was for the work, Like for the opportunity to
Speaker 2: keep my profile out there. That being said, I had
Speaker 2: a ball. I had an absolute ball. So if any
Speaker 2: other opportunity comes up, like Survivor or you know.
Speaker 1: What's really funny was that Pam Miranda was doing an
Speaker 1: interview with the wildly successful TV tonight, which is like
Speaker 1: you know, hello, Well, so she had this interview she
Speaker 1: said I'd love Survivor, and they rang her the next
Speaker 1: day and put her on the show. So maybe we'll
Speaker 1: have that kind of effect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love to race around the world or something
Speaker 2: like that. That would be fun, amazing race or maybe
Speaker 2: even there's a new one waiting for me. I'm a
Speaker 2: keen cook, love to do Master Chef. Look, it's it's
Speaker 2: it was a lot more fun than I thought it
Speaker 2: would be. And look, we're really well treated when people
Speaker 2: are kind, and you know, it's a lot of due
Speaker 2: diligence and care taking for our mental health, and you know,
Speaker 2: it was a safe place. So looking a it's fun TV.
Speaker 2: So I'm definitely uput for more experiences like that.
Speaker 1: I think you're going to be a trendsetter with this
Speaker 1: because with what's happened with the writer strike, I think
Speaker 1: there's going to be more of a need to lean
Speaker 1: on the unscripted reality for a couple of years whilst
Speaker 1: that all sort of while we get over that hump,
Speaker 1: I think a lot more people are going to be
Speaker 1: open to doing unscripted reality during this time.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah. Look, and it's got potential to evolve as
Speaker 2: well and to change its format lens. Look, if you
Speaker 2: even think about it, we were using the word unscripted.
Speaker 2: You know. Skip shows were fantastic, like thank god you're here.
Speaker 2: There's potential for all sorts of stuff to come out
Speaker 2: in the future and slid and see where it goes.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm always in your audience. I can't wait for that.
Speaker 1: The last question I have for you is the same
Speaker 1: thing I ask everyone who joins the podcast, and what
Speaker 1: is something from behind the scenes, something that we didn't see,
Speaker 1: kind of like a behind the scenes secret about what
Speaker 1: it's like to make the Traders.
Speaker 2: You might notice there's a difference between this season and
Speaker 2: last season. There's a lot less drinking, So we're basically
Speaker 2: allowed one drink a glass of wine or a glass
Speaker 2: of beer at the end of the evening, and Roger's
Speaker 2: favorite thee would be to sip behind the wall, watching
Speaker 2: the screens and with no other producers to see who
Speaker 2: would double fished? Who would walk up and grab two
Speaker 2: drinks quickly, quickly down one as fast as they could,
Speaker 2: and then hold the other one and take that one
Speaker 2: up to bed. It's a very stressful game and been
Speaker 2: long days, and you know sometimes you just need that
Speaker 2: second glass of wine to take to bed.
Speaker 1: Are you the double dipper?
Speaker 2: Oh? I tried. Yeah, I wasn't as skilled at it.
Speaker 2: I didn't want am aware of the technique until I
Speaker 2: was informed about it going on. But I definitely would
Speaker 2: have given him a shot because I thought about it.
Speaker 1: As such a big fan of your work. I have
Speaker 1: seen nearly all of your work on all of your
Speaker 1: shows many times, so this is a real honor to
Speaker 1: be able to sit here and have this conversation with him.
Speaker 2: Thanks Ben, I do remember you on the Red Carpet. Yeah,
Speaker 2: You've always been quite a colorful character on the carpet.
Speaker 2: Compare data interviewers and some of the more better questions.
Speaker 2: Hopefully I'll do some more work and I'll see you
Speaker 2: here on the path again.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I really appreciate your generosity with your time
Speaker 1: and chatting. It was amazing pleasure.
Speaker 2: Ben, thank you, good luck with it all, and hope
Speaker 2: you speak