WEBVTT - Gyton Grantley - THE TRAITORS - Actor 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:03.560 TV Reloaded podcast. 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:04.040 Last week Their Life. 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:06.480 Welcome back guys to TV Reload. As you may know, 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:09.240 my name is Benjamin Norris and this is your podcast 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:11.720 to get all the inside goss on the popular TV 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.800 shows you may be watching from around the world. Underniably, 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.560 our TV sets are a major part of our home entertainment, 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:20.160 and yet very little is known about how our favorite 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:23.160 shows get made. So each episode I've been finding guests 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:25.320 they want to dive just that little bit deeper into 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:27.880 their shows they're currently making, so that you can hear 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:31.120 all their exclusive stories and gain access to the biggest 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.760 names in Australian television. On today's podcast, I have Ossie 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:37.320 actor Guidon Grantly here to talk about his time on 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:40.120 The Traders, which launched its second series on Network ten 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:42.680 this week. Guiden is best known for his portrayal of 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:46.400 convicted murderer and drug trafficker Carl Williams on the hit 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:49.840 Australian television show under Belly, for which he was nominated 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:52.480 for Most Outstanding Actor and a Drama Series and Most 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:55.760 Popular Actor, winning the two thousand and nine Logie Award 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:58.800 for Most Outstanding Actor I found out today that he 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:01.960 has over fifty four credits on IMDb for his work 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.840 at Australian TV and film, one of my favorites being 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:08.479 House Husbands, for which he did five seasons. However, audiences 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:11.520 were delighted to hear that Giton joined The Traders, which 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:15.200 sees everyday Ossie's joined by some familiar faces. Taking on 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:18.640 the popular reality series, The Traders features a group of 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:21.920 twenty four contestants who move into a grand Heritage hotel 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.440 who work as a team to uncover who is a 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.399 Trader and who is a faithful. The show picked up 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.080 a cult following last year, with many incarnations over the 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:32.480 world and plenty of people falling in love with this 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.480 exciting new format. I will find out how Goton was 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:37.880 asked to be on the show and if Roger Coursa 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:40.280 had anything to do with it. We will unpack the 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:43.360 first week's twists and turns, finding out what might have 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:45.480 gone wrong for Guiden and how we might have been 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:48.240 better to play the game. Goten will share what the 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:51.640 contestants really think of Ash Pollard, if Elias was the 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:55.680 main reason for his demise, and what happened to Sam's blindside. 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.400 Plus We will get plenty of exclusives from behind the 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:00.760 scenes of The Traders, which can take news next Monday 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:03.080 night at seven thirty on Network ten and you can 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:06.000 catch up on ten Play Now anyway, let's bring Gyton 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.560 into the podcast. And I'm also really excited to be 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:10.600 sharing this with a lot of the Traders super fans 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:11.720 who I know are out there. 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:15.480 Hey, Buddy Hawaii, I'm fine and dandy. 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:18.040 I am so shocked that you're already out of The 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.720 Traders Series two, Episode two? Are you pissed off? 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.560 Are you? Are you really shocked? Did I ever stand 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.520 a chance? As soon as everyone got savvy to the 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:29.440 fact that I was an actor, I just didn't stand 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:30.720 a chance. I reckon, you're. 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:32.640 Gonna hate this. No one likes to be given a compliment, 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:35.480 but ver calming energy about yourself, like you want to 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.440 be your friend, and so I just immediately thought you 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:42.040 being on this show, your personality type with disarmed people, 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:45.440 and they wouldn't be so quick to try and cut you. 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:47.600 That was my hope. I've been off and asked what 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.160 was my strategy. If I were to say I had one, 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:52.360 it would be the heart. My hope was that I 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:54.560 would last at least a week so that I could 0:02:54.560 --> 0:03:00.000 gain people's affection and possibly trust, because obviously my biggest 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.040 worry and handicap was that I was an actor, a 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:06.160 professional wiar and no one would trust me. So in 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.200 terms of my characteristics, if people got to know me 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.000 a bit better, they'd feel, like you say, calm and 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.120 feel safe around me. But I just didn't get the 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:16.960 time to do it. I throw it under the bus 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:17.720 very early. 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:19.960 How did they approach you to do this show? Because 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.880 the first season was all civilians and then this season 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:25.880 we've been peppered with celebrities. How did you get casts? 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:27.400 Maybe it's your favorite show. I don't know. 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.480 Well, that's an interesting term that you use, civilians. A 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.880 certain contestant used that term and it didn't go down 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:37.280 well amongst the quote unquote civilians. But look, I think 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:39.920 that's actually the whole point of it is that we're 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.800 all the same when it comes to telling lies. That's 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.480 what I was trying to campaign to save myself, is 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:47.480 that we all have the ability to see each other, 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.280 doesn't matter what our profession. But the question was how 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:52.720 did I get involved? I was approached. I was a 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:56.600 big fan of playing alien in my twenties at the 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:58.880 dinner parties with a few bottles of wine and ten 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.400 or so friends. I was pretty good at it and 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.400 I really enjoyed it. So the opportunity competed in this 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:06.120 situation is really exciting. 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:07.960 So do they hit you up on Instagram? Or did 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.320 Roger pass over your phone number? I want to know, like, 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:11.160 how did this happen? 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.120 Through my agent? Here the proper channels. I watched the 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:17.200 first season, the Australian one, and did a little bit 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.440 of googling of some of the other English speaking seasons 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:22.600 around the world, and I was in. I was like, 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:23.440 this is that one. 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.400 I haven't watched the Dutch version with the subtitles. 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.120 Does it translate with all their lies? 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:32.080 And yes, it was just as good. I think that's 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.040 where I might be getting this wrong, but I think 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:35.880 that's where the heritage of the show is. I think 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.159 that's where it originated, so it might have been its 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:41.800 first incarnation. But I really got involved with the lies, 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.599 the deceit, and the ability to be good at this 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:45.320 sort of a show. 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:49.080 Well, the Dutch have this personality kind of trait where 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.200 they're very direct and you can come across as quite 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.240 rude they're just being honest. So I can imagine that 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:58.640 would make for very interesting situations in that show. 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:02.400 But even your character that you've played, you know because 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.600 of Underbelly, which you know Carl Williams is a bad guy. 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:07.440 But then I think of you more and this goes 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:09.560 to show you the type of television I watch is 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:12.240 from house Husbands. And my question on top of all 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.320 of that is how does the general public usually see you? 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.320 Do they normally see you more for the bad guys 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:20.920 that you've played on television or for the good guys. 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.359 Yeah, well, like even Carl. The reason why Carl Williams 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.360 got away with anything he did was because no one 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.280 assumed that he was the evil person that he was, 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:35.400 because he was appable, deepy, kind of blundering idiot. He 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:39.440 was a pretty nice guy. Really was definitely not threatening. 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.719 Sure he was a very evil person, but he didn't 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.800 come across that way. I feel like when I act, 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:50.400 when anyone acts, really you're just just emphasizing parts of yourself. 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:52.840 All you can do is use who you are and 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:56.560 amplify parts of that. So maybe that is who I 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:57.719 am and nice. 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:01.560 Well, it's funny. I remember night going out with So 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:03.360 a friend of mine was in the first season of 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.520 Underbelly and after filming one day we all went out. 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.200 Well I got invited to come along, not we and 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.400 so I went to a nightclub on Grevell Street in 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:17.080 Melbourne and people responded to Vince Colossimo like a gangster already. 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:19.000 And then I ran into him years later, and it 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:22.200 had sort of accentuated itself because of that character of 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.680 Alphonse Gandritano that he played. So that's why I was curious, 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.160 because it seems like the general public has an idea 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:30.640 of who you are without really ever knowing who you are, 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:31.480 because you're an actor. 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:33.839 I guess, So I guess. I mean, that's what we 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.040 do when we put ourselves out there, isn't it. We 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:41.719 throw ourselves over to perception and misconception to the public. Look, 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.560 Vince is actually really lovely guy. You know. I've known 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.680 him for quite a long time now, and you know 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.960 he's had his troubles and he comes through over the time. 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:53.400 But at the heart he's a sweetheart. And we're all 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.040 got our public faces, don't we, even whether we're in 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:57.960 the media or not. And you've got to spend the 0:06:58.040 --> 0:06:59.760 time we really get to know, people, I think you know. 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.200 What I also think is really interesting about your elimination 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:03.880 is what do you think of this? I think the 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:07.960 show would be cool if the viewers maybe didn't know 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:09.520 who the traders were, so it was a bit like 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:11.480 the Mole where we had to try and guess who 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.320 the traders were. Or what would be good is imagine 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:17.240 if it was live and so you filmed all of 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:20.920 it up until that last part each week, and then 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.920 the public would eliminate someone that night and then you 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.520 go back into production. I know that's a very expensive show, 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:30.320 but I think that would be an even better version 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.440 of this show, and I think you would survive a 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:34.000 lot longer with the public's vote. 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.880 Both are great ideas. I think they've both got a 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:40.120 lot of tent I think I guess there's the idea 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.880 of reality TV and the audience just gets to yell 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:46.440 at the TV like basically they can spend the whole 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:51.320 hour every night you eat it. These people they're morons. 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:55.080 But yeah, definitely works the way you're proposing as well. 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:58.760 It would certainly make it more intriguing and exciting to 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:02.120 wait and see who who it is, And yeah, maybe 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.400 it might have helped my chances quite a lot. You know. 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.920 I had a friend who had a very similar hairstyle 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:10.200 to you in this series, and he loved the man 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:12.880 Bun and wore it on the show, and then once 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:14.640 he watched it back, he was not as big a 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:16.680 fan of the hair Bun and the Man Bun, I 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.560 should say anymore? Were there any details? Now it sounds 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:21.400 like I'm onto your hair Man Bun as though that's 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.760 a regret, and it's not. But it was there anything? 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:26.960 But was there anything watching it back that made you think, Oh, 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:28.920 I wish I would have prepared that differently. 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:33.280 No, you're right. It's a good point because it's a 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:37.040 first time I've done reality TV. I've done plenty of interviews, 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.160 but everything's prepared. I guess in that respect, he's got 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.880 the time to make sure everything's in his right place 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.840 and looking good or all bad however you want it 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.720 to be. Yeah, when you're throwing yourself out there just 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.840 to be you know, with twenty or so cameras hiding 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.280 behind bushes trying to catch you, it's a bit different. 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.760 But I was. In terms of the man Bun, I've 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.120 never had long hands. The first time I grew to 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:01.960 have a COVID and I was like, this is great. 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:03.640 I'm going to rock this for a while. 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:05.839 I want to know about this relationship with you and Roger. 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:07.920 We've talked a bit about Underbelly. Both of you were 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.320 co stars. Did you get a chance to catch up 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.120 during filming or did you try and distance yourself from that. 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:16.319 Oh, he was very well behaved. It wouldn't have been fair, 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:19.320 I guess, or seemed there if we had little chats 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:22.000 here and there. So the only kind of interaction we 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:25.280 had was he gave me a wink at the very beginning, 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.600 and I gave him a wink back. But afterwards, after 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.199 my banishment, he came and picked me up from the 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.600 room and took me down to the local village and 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:35.840 we had to be had a good old catch up 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:37.240 there and talked it all over. 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:39.320 I just was assuming that he'd give you some tips. 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:41.640 I mean, he was there hosting the first series, so 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.040 I thought when he found out that you were going 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:44.560 to be on it, he would have wrung you up 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.040 and given you some tips on how to do it, 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:47.560 or helped you with the research. 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.600 He's a consummate professional. He kept his lips sealed, and 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:53.719 you know, wish me well, and that was that. 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:57.800 What did you think of Annabelle's breakdown at the end 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.560 of your well, just as you've been eliminated? Was that genuine? 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:02.240 I mean it seemed very over the top. 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:05.839 Yeah, so look, everything's different when it comes down to 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.040 the edit. Sometimes those banishments can go on for over 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:13.280 an hour, so everyone was very tired. But her breakdown 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.880 had occurred earlier, when it seemed like everyone had turned 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:20.480 on me or they'd given up on blindsighting Ash, and 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.200 I guess she felt like she betrayed me, but she 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:25.720 still voted for me as well. So at the time 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:30.199 I was positive that she was a sociopath because because 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:35.760 she clearly voted for me and was clearly crying. So 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:36.880 it just didn't make sense. 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:39.719 How can you be like vote someone off the competition 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.600 and then burst into tears, but the mind boggles. 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.240 I think maybe she felt like, at the very very 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:47.440 last second, she had to go with the go with 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.800 the group, otherwise it would seem it would make her 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:53.439 put her in a precarious situation. If she voted for 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.240 Ash and she was the only one or one of 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:59.000 two or three, then it would put her out in 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.720 the open and so maybe at the very last minute 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:07.200 she realized she had to switch and that broke her heart. Perhaps, Look, 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.800 Adabelle and I have chatted quite a lot since the 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:13.120 show's finished, and she's she's a sweetheart and there's no 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:13.880 hard feelings. 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.840 But she also referred to as her dad. She was like, 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:18.920 he's like my dad, and I was like, I don't 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.720 know if that was the right way to describe the relationship. 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:23.400 I'm not ready for that yet. And I mean, I've 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:25.400 got kids, but they're all under the age of six. 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:31.600 So maybe maybe Keith Keith could play you play that part. Yeah, Look, 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.480 a lot of us have have kept kept in contact. 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.840 We don't actually know the results, but that's been kept 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.120 in the dark from us. But we've been able to 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.439 communicate on a WhatsApp group and stuff like that, so 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.520 and there's been little catch ups and stuff. So yeah, look, 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:47.400 at the end of the day, it's just a game 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:48.720 and no. 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:51.079 One actually died, which I thought was perfectly said. 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.880 How that comes in just the right moment. There's no bullshit. 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.480 We had her and she's not ashamed or afraid to 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.800 be her. She is and she is the first person 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:00.880 I met, and we spent quite a long tom. That's 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.880 what made me get so terrified that I was suspicious 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.520 of her because she kind of shied away from me 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.079 for a while, and so I got to start throwing 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:13.480 out accusations. Otherwise people don't think you're trying. And I 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.240 was adamant, but she was a trader. But I was wrong. 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:17.839 My tradar was very off. 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:19.840 How does this thing happen? So you know, when they 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.920 write down your names, So they were going to blindside 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.120 Ash Pollard, right, and so it looked like that was 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.280 what was going to happen. But all of a sudden, 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.240 that's not how it unfolded. But didn't everyone have to 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:33.160 write their names down before they started flipping them? Or 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.319 when you get your time to say who you're going 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.600 to you know, eliminate? Is that when you write down 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:41.280 the name? Because I couldn't work that out because I 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:42.680 was like, all of these people that are about to 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.800 blindside Ash Pollard, all of a sudden they didn't. I 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:47.560 don't understand. There was something not adding up for me. 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.959 Yeah, look, Ben, I didn't understand either, which is by 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.760 the end of the day, it's just what I'm talking 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.520 to you now. I'm not in a few weeks from now. Look, 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.679 you're right. Look you've got to remember that there's a 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:03.520 law of time condensed into a short period. So I 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.520 didn't really have any choice. It was my only lifeline. 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:09.240 When it was the idea was brought to me, I 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:11.360 was like, that sounds great, as long as it's not me. 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.640 And I guess in the discussions that happened before people 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.080 write down someone's name, there was a lot of heat 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.640 coming towards them away. I did my best to defend myself, 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.480 and I still can't think of any other way of 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.000 how I could have convinced people that I was faithful. 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:26.680 At the end of the day, it was very early on, 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:28.719 so people are just happy to save their neck make 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:31.400 a sacrifice. I honestly think a lot of people believed 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.400 I was faithful, but they just went with the group. 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:34.680 I agree, I really do. 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.600 In terms of what happened with Ash, I'm not sure. 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.680 I'm not sure why they all switched, which did make 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:44.640 me feel quite received, but also made me wonder why 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.560 they needed to go to that extravagant kind of ruse 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:51.320 to ease my anxiety or something, because I already knew 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:53.280 I was going to go, So I don't know why 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:56.120 they created this. I this pretend story that they're all 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.640 going to vote for Ash. But now having watched the show, 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.040 I could see that sam Ra actually was trying to 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:04.199 organize that. So I don't know what happened, Ben, Honestly, 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.360 I don't know how all of a sudden everyone wrote 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:07.480 my name down, not Ashes. 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:10.560 But when do you write does the name right get 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.720 written down before everyone reveals, or do they write get 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:14.920 the name down as you. 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.360 Yes, yes, we all write them down at the same time. 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:20.120 So we all sit down and we all have a 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:24.080 big argument about all sorts of things. Everyone throws silly 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:30.280 accusations out and recaps things with wrong, wrong recollections. There's 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.720 a lot of defending going on, and we're going but 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:36.240 I didn't say that, And then eventually Roger were saying, okay, 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.720 everyone time to write the name down, and so we 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:40.520 all do it at the exact same time. So it's 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.560 not like you're going to get to see, oh, ship 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:45.200 five people have written down Gun's name. I better too, 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:47.560 So I guess the vibe was out there. I mean 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.760 there's there's there's like looks that you can prow across 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.800 at each other. Sam kept looking at me saying mouthing 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.160 the word weight like again, I feel like he was 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:59.560 just trying to ease my pain and wait for what mate, 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:04.840 wait for my desk? So yeah, that can happen. But yeah, 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:08.080 to answer your question, yeah, Roger just says time to 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:09.440 do it, and we all do it at the same time. 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.720 Ash Pollard is getting a hard ride already. Episode two. 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:14.520 We can start to see that, and we were just 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:18.200 briefly talking about that blindside that never happened, you know. 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.680 And it seems like from what we're about to see 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:22.720 next week that Sam and Blake, who are her two 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.600 traders are after her? Are we not seeing everything here? 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:27.880 Is Ash a bit of a complicated character? I mean, 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:31.120 is she hard to get along with? Or what thread 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:34.880 has been pulled on her story for both other traders 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:36.040 to now be turning on her. 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.080 Look, I'd say the reason why they're turning well, Sam's 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:42.400 turning on her is just purely tactical. Ash certainly did 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:46.840 have some discrepancies with other players. She didn't get off 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:50.040 to a great start with some people. But I don't 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.520 know of anything huge that went down. I was unaware 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:56.520 of it. I think it was purely tactical. Sam can 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:59.080 see the potential, and just it's better to manage if 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.640 it's just him and Blake. And I'm sure Blake's down 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.520 with that too. It's like, we're great, it's just you 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:05.560 and me now, buddy, let's let's manage it this way. 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:07.960 And there's always the chance that you can come in 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.880 every official term, but you can bring someone in later 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.960 on in the season to join you as a trader. Yeah. 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.720 Maybe they didn't trust her, you know, maybe they just 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.200 thought that she was too much allowed now, or she 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:21.200 did have a fish slip up. Didn't she like she 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.760 wasn't as safe as they were. I guess you could say. 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:25.920 Another question I had for you was about a Lias 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:29.640 because you know, in that first episode, he really gave 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:32.320 people enough of a reason to go after you. He 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:34.120 kind of put a hole in your boat which was 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.440 too hard to fix for the second episode. Do you 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.720 think that if he hadn't brought your name up so 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.640 hard in the first elimination that you might have been 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.240 able to survive a few more episodes? 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:47.280 Yeah, I do. Like I said earlier, my hope was 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.320 to survive at least a week or for four or 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:55.040 five days, to gain people's affection, you know, so they 0:16:55.240 --> 0:17:00.640 then hopefullly a bit of trust, and it really did, 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:05.440 really did hamper my chances, and gosh, I've thought back 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:07.840 on a lot, and I don't think there's much else 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:11.720 I could have done to defend myself or convince people 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:15.120 of my innocence. Gosh, I've had thoughts of that. Maybe 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:16.840 I should have just gone in full evil and just 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:20.320 started making up stories about people and just really rocked 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.040 the boat. It's not in my nature, but I think 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.560 maybe if I had a second chance, i'd try that. 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.480 I'd actually mentally prepare for that and go in just 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:33.000 full evil and you know, just enjoy really messing with people. 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:37.760 But I thought it would be best to keep honest 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.560 and be myself. It's probably a lot easier and safer 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.280 to do that. And then kind of midway then you 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:47.720 really have to start the strategy of alliances and grouping 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.400 together to just knock people out and find out who's who. 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.479 I just don't understand why. If I was there and 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:55.080 I was a part of the series, I would get 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.920 rid of Luke straight away, regardless of anything he said 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:01.160 or did, because he's one big brother the IP. He's 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:03.720 been on two seasons of survivor. We know he's a 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:06.400 dog like no matter what I would what he said 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:08.000 or did, I would go around to make sure we 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:09.400 got rid of him. Episode one. 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:13.320 Yeah, Well, like he said in one of his little interviews, 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:16.679 is like he was quick off the mark to go 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.439 and form friendships, kind of like I hope to do. 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:21.360 I think he just give him a lot faster. He's 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:25.959 such a good gra areous, tall, handsome, lovable kind of character. 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:29.159 And hey, he's he's a reality TV star, so a 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.760 lot of these people are big fans of him. Half 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:33.280 of the guys and they didn't even know who I 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:37.480