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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me.

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Speaker 2: Lola Berry, author, nutritionist, and yoga teacher, join me as

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Speaker 2: we get to know these guests and learn about how

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Speaker 2: their failures have ultimately shaped their dreams. Welcome to fearlessly

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Speaker 2: Failing with Lola Berry. Hey guys, it's Lola Berry here.

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Speaker 2: This guest is massive in the yogi world. Ian Finn

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Speaker 2: is his name. He's the creator of Blissology yoga. He

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Speaker 2: is a massive, keen marine kind of conservationists. In fact,

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Speaker 2: he runs retreats all over the world where you can

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Speaker 2: do half Yog's retreat, half save the environment, and like

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Speaker 2: help replant coral reeves. This guy's pretty awesome. In fact,

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Speaker 2: we spent a lot of the talk talking about like

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Speaker 2: his encounters with wildhood life, because I have a very

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Speaker 2: weird obsession with sea life and marine life and animals

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Speaker 2: in general. Ian Finn is awesome, super spiritual. I don't

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Speaker 2: think he's got any hard fast rules when it comes

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Speaker 2: to yoga or Yog's, which is a breath of fresh

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Speaker 2: air for me. So I hope you enjoy this kind

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Speaker 2: of hippie surfer spiritual chat with Ian Finn.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have this guest here.

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Speaker 2: This is Infinn and you're probably most known as an

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Speaker 2: incredible yogi blissologist.

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Speaker 3: Am I saying that right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man surfer, I would say you're also an environmentalist.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the ocean.

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Speaker 2: This is so, this is why we pressure record the

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Speaker 2: way that we've been chatting, and we both realized that

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Speaker 2: there's a connection where we both really love the ocean

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Speaker 2: and marine life. And you've got a beautiful tattoo of

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Speaker 2: a blue whale. I'm not the inside of your forearm.

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Speaker 3: New this year? Is it representing my commitment to be

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Speaker 3: a better stewart for the ocean?

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Speaker 2: Did you say you did it on World Ocean Day?

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Speaker 3: On World Ocean Day.

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Speaker 2: I just feel like you're one of those people that

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I wish I asked this, I wish I

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Speaker 2: asked this. So, although this is a podcast celebrating failure

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Speaker 2: in the most beautiful way, I do want to kind

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Speaker 2: of unpack some of it, just like the passion stuff too,

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Speaker 2: because I feel like you've got so much to offer,

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Speaker 2: So can we do some of that too.

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Speaker 3: I'm totally into everything so.

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Speaker 2: Good, so good. So will we will touch on the

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Speaker 2: phobies because there are a fair few yogis that listen

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Speaker 2: to this and that get into this potty. So I

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Speaker 2: do want to quickly talk to the yoga sides. You've

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Speaker 2: been teaching for about nineteen years now.

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Speaker 3: Would you say, yeah, twenty years?

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's impressive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, practicing for thirty one years.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember your first yoga class?

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Speaker 3: I do, Yeah, I do, definitely. I mean actually back

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Speaker 3: in those days, my original experience with yoga was well,

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Speaker 3: I'm a surfer and I love doing all kinds of

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Speaker 3: ocean sports. And actually my major in university was philosophy yea,

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Speaker 3: and I studied yoga philosophy. Oh. I kind of reversed

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Speaker 3: the way people normally go, like from Austina to meditation

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Speaker 3: to philosophy. I started with philosophy, got into meditation, and

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Speaker 3: I'm like, there has to be a better way. Mm. So,

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Speaker 3: being interested in yoga, I looked it up and I

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Speaker 3: And I had a friend whose mom type yoga, and

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Speaker 3: sign salutations. I'll show you how to start. And it

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Speaker 3: was there in the sun on the beach and I'm

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Speaker 3: just like, I'm doing this till the day I die. Ah. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you were drinking the kool aid. Oh right, instantly?

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Speaker 2: So good.

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Speaker 1: I love that you studied philosophy.

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Speaker 2: And I've heard you speak about Joseph Campbell being one

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Speaker 1: The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek.

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Speaker 3: Right, How cool? Right Joseph Campbell Yeah, yeh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So was he? I guess someone that totally inspired you

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Actually, you know, nature is going to be a

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Speaker 3: I look back on my life, I've been really trying

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Speaker 3: to answer one real big question, which is what exactly

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Speaker 3: happens in our bodies, in our hearts, and in our

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Speaker 3: And how does this relate to Joseph Campbell. When I

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Speaker 3: and he did a series called the Power of Myth

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Speaker 3: and he was talking about the Native American idea, the

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Speaker 3: first nation's idea of a great spirit, how you don't

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Speaker 3: have to go to a church or a temple or

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Speaker 3: a mosque or anywhere like this to have a spiritual experience.

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Speaker 3: Anywhere on Earth is open to this experience. And this

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Speaker 3: was the way the Native Americans viewed spirituality. And I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 3: Campbell went on to explain is that is the mystical experience,

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm in, let's check this yoga stuff cycle.

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Speaker 2: I've heard you describe nature as the greatest spiritual portal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like the research, Yeah, I told you. I'm a virgo.

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Speaker 1: But there's this word that I'm obsessed that I learned about.

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Speaker 2: It in my nutrition degree. It's biophilia. Oh yeah, so

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Speaker 2: like the healing power of Mother Nature on human beings.

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Speaker 2: It kind of comes to alignment, Like what you were

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Speaker 3: And that's and it actually relates a lot, even to

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Speaker 3: talking to exactly these topics that we've been talking about

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Speaker 3: to people who are your teachers that your job is

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Speaker 3: exactly the same as a poet. Like a poet or

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Speaker 3: an artist. What they do is instead of you being

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Speaker 3: glad that. I mean, our ancestors knew this, but we

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Speaker 3: And I'm glad to see that coming back totally. I was.

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Speaker 3: Okay, everyone has to go check out Sapiens. Yes, don't

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Speaker 3: read the whole book. Just goes street to chapter eighteen.

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Speaker 3: We just covered this in our course and it completely

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Speaker 3: And yeah, we've shaped this planet to our will. But

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Speaker 2: to like, you know, we're actually berries aren't meant to

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Speaker 2: in the wind, he meant to have more pump And you.

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Speaker 3: have coriander seeds. Yes, and I've got coriander seeds and

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Speaker 3: came back and my wife was like, it's central. It's

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Speaker 2: Whenever I go to America and do media, I've got

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Speaker 2: So they've done the stats and it's like a human

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00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 2: being trapped in a bathtub your entire life. And they've

436
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 2: got spindle neurons in there. I'm really I told you

437
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 2: I'm nerdy about whales and ours. They've got spindle neurons, right,

438
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 2: So that's like we've got them and apes have got them,

439
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,360
Speaker 2: and it's where we feel empathy and we cry when

440
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 2: we're hurt and we feel orcas have got this rightight.

441
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, their brain is like way bigger than ours too.

442
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 2: I would argue that they're probably smarter than us.

443
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why they don't touch technology.

444
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: No totally or so. But this so as soon as

445
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 2: this doco came down, and this is where I think

446
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: that there is so there is hope, Like there was

447
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 2: so much hope this doc oka out, and now breeding

448
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: in captivity is totally illegal. It cannot happen.

449
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 3: Now.

450
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 2: It's incredible the change that can be created when humans

451
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 2: do good things. Like that's why I loved hearing about

452
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 2: the coral reef. I'm like, man, this is the magi. Yeah,

453
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 2: you know, there is good stuff happening.

454
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 3: I'm glad it laid you up because yeah, it was

455
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 3: a big it was a big gamble, you know. And

456
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 3: I don't know if people cargo their massages and many

457
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 3: petties two dive down three feet and epoxy quarrel onto.

458
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 2: The reefs, but you could sales like there's I don't

459
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 2: know if people are going to calm or not. You know,

460
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: that is yoga too though.

461
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 3: I mean, and there would be a sense of dharma

462
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 3: and it's every it's everything we talked about is love.

463
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're it's it's getting unstuck on yourself.

464
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 3: And I mean, here's here's the yoga part of it

465
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 3: is that yoga and ecology is saying the same thing

466
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 3: and that's all things are connected. And when we live

467
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 3: from that place, that's love when you recognize the unity

468
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 3: of all things. So yeah, that's that's why that's a

469
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 3: form of yoga, and that's what we call eco karma

470
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 3: yoga inspired by karma yoga of the Gita.

471
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 2: Totally.

472
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I picked that up.

473
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: I picked that up.

474
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 2: But I can't. I hope you're doing more. Could you

475
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: want to say when you're doing your next one?

476
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah? Next one will be in March in Bali. So

477
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 3: we're working actually we're expanding this year, so it's not

478
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 3: just Quarrel. We're doing work on the mangroves. So I

479
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 3: met some people in their project is to get plastic

480
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 3: out of the mangroves over on the so north side

481
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 3: of Bali. And you know, I spend a lot of

482
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 3: time in Bali every year and I'm like, I'm in

483
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 3: how can I help you? And so I'm totally putting

484
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 3: you in. Yeah, I know, I know he has to.

485
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: He went to that place in Hawaii, the Garbage Island.

486
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 2: Have you heard of that? Oh yeah, of course yeah,

487
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 2: and he was like, it's incredible. None of the none

488
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 2: of the garbage is from Hawaii.

489
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we've done We've done Ego Karma retreats actually

490
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 3: with Wonderlust in and we work with Sustainable Coastlines is

491
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 3: a great organization in Hawaii, and we do work to

492
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 3: remove the plastic. Everyone thinks Hawaii is amazing, and it is.

493
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 3: Of course, it's my favorite place in the world. But yeah,

494
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 3: but there's a lot of currents and the amount of

495
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 3: trash that what well like watches it on the beach

496
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 3: there is incredible, and of course there's you know, twenty

497
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 3: foot waves on the reefs and so you know, the

498
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 3: plastic bottles that come across just get pulverized. And so

499
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 3: we do this work to bring the big plastic off

500
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 3: the beach, but the microplastics is insane.

501
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

502
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 3: So it's just something that I feel like everyone on

503
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 3: Earth should do once to stick their hand and let's say,

504
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 3: I don't know meters like, but like two square feet

505
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 3: of sand and you look at it and you see

506
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 3: the kind of blue things inside of it, and it

507
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 3: looks like seashells. But what we do is we sift it,

508
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 3: like you shake it, and there's a mesh in the bottom,

509
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 3: so it leaves the sand goes. But what you're left

510
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: with is, let's say, and how much is two square feet?

511
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: Like this big?

512
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so imagine two shoebox, three shoe boxes.

513
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 3: Kind of like cheat together, right, Yeah, so if you

514
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 3: take that much sand, you'll end up with enough microplastics

515
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 3: to fill both palms.

516
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's right left over.

517
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 3: And so once you see that, that's like, that's that's

518
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 3: in the sand. You know, it just gives you a

519
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 3: whole new perspective. And like next time someone offers you

520
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 3: a plastic cup somewhere, it gives you that sick feeling

521
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 3: of like it's just we can do better, totally.

522
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: I mean. The best bit is like we do get

523
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 2: to vote with our dollars, so you do every time

524
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: you eat or go out, you do get to make

525
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: that choice where ethically, like what choice by making? We're

526
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 2: like if you eat meat, like where's the meat coming from?

527
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 2: You know, you get to make I've heard your passion

528
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 2: about finding vegan sushi. Yeah, is that really a thing?

529
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 3: Yeah? I love vegan sushi is amazing really Yeah, okay,

530
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I'm sure if you're not initiated, you're

531
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 3: thinking like avocado rule and you know what I mean.

532
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 3: But there's some there's some really creative vegan sushi that honestly, honestly,

533
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 3: you know, I love sushi. I love I love fish sushi,

534
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, But if we went out, you

535
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 3: would not know the difference, Like, I mean you would.

536
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 3: It's just so flavorful. It's you're just not like eating

537
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 3: you know, twenty avocado rules or cucumber rules.

538
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 2: Wait, where's your favorite place to go in the world

539
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: for vegan sushi?

540
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,239
Speaker 3: You know it sounds like the weirdest place, but there

541
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: is one spot in Montreal in Canada that just knocks

542
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 3: it out of the park. And I wish I could

543
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 3: remember the exact name. But they changed my life. They

544
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 3: changed my life. And yeah, yeah, we give to do

545
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 3: a little. Rest of people are going sushi. I mean,

546
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: like it's true, Like I mean, you don't have to

547
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 3: give up flavor.

548
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: No, yeah, totally. I mean I was vegan for four

549
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: years and I learned that pretty quick. I was like,

550
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: as long as you you need to underscide. I went

551
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: down the vegan path where I was going to Nana's

552
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: on dates because I was like, it's in a lot

553
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: of things, even savory resources, and I wasn't my healthiest then.

554
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: And then I've you know, found my balance since, which

555
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: is like, oh, my body does like good fat, good protein,

556
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: but not such high carbs. And so when you can

557
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: do that vegan, you just need to be aware and

558
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: you need to be quite mine.

559
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: Well, it's good, it's good to share that. I'm glad

560
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 3: you're doing that, because the real big trick to it

561
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: is you need to know how to make sauces. Like

562
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 3: that's I think a lot of people end up eating

563
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 3: meat because you just throw it on the barby.

564
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, the well done, the barby, the barbie that was good,

565
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: That was good, right, yeah, the vircue and you.

566
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 3: And you don't have to do much to it. It's

567
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 3: like simple and you just yeah, it's a no brain.

568
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: It's a no brainer. You don't have to know how

569
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: to make sauces. But yeah, with some of the vegan

570
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: you have to understand how to make sauces and yeah,

571
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 3: that's that's a real big gift to share that with people.

572
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. I'm funny. I'm a bit like a gypsy.

573
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: I'll follow my heart and I'll be like, oh this

574
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: is fun. Let's write books a bit. Oh this is this,

575
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: Like I'll do yoga school for ages. Like I just

576
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 2: I just follow my heart. So I'm a bit I'm

577
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: a real gypsy with everything. But I do want to

578
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: speak about the content you've actually sent me because it

579
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: is fascinating and I think that Like I told a

580
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: few yogis in Melbourne where I live, that I was

581
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: interviewing you and they were like, no, way, like amazing,

582
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: and I was so excited about it. So I think

583
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: it's really beautiful to hear someone just kind of be like, hey, yeah,

584
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: I'm loving this, but I want you to be No,

585
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: there were moments where I had to go through these

586
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: other things that are a bit uncomfy.

587
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Speaker 3: Yeah, awesome, premise, awesome. Just shout out real quick to Melbourne, Melbourne.

588
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 3: I love it and it's so epic.

589
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: Do you love Melbourne?

590
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 3: I love it for some reason. I'm not sure why.

591
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: I have a lot of great crew there and I

592
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 3: just love the vibe of the city.

593
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: So I'm from Melbs. I'm born and raised in Melbs

594
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: and I'm seeing a dialect coach at the moment because

595
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: I want to learn to do an American accent. Look

596
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: I'm not very good at And he goes, oh, you're

597
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: from Melbourne, aren't you?

598
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: And I said, how can you town?

599
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: He said, because the way you say Melbourne, you say

600
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: like because like most people would.

601
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: Say mel like Melbourne or something like a different way.

602
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: And I was like, because I say Melbs, it's got

603
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: to be the way you say me.

604
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 3: You said it perfect though, Melbourne. Yeah, yeah, it's like

605
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 3: but it's I mean, I would love to live in

606
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: Australia actually really yeah, I'm like heart AUSSI a heart. Yeah,

607
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 3: I don't know how to say it any other way.

608
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 3: It's my favorite place in the world. And I just

609
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 3: said Hawaii was, but they're kind.

610
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: Of just one thing on Hawaii. Before we move on

611
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: the energy of Hawaiian I find the energy of two.

612
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 2: Have you been to tuloom not.

613
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: Since I was a kid. Actually they don't have to surf.

614
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: There, no, but they've got is that how you say it?

615
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 3: The underwater cave?

616
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: And then I started researching all like the mystical stuff

617
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: where they believe the underwater gods live there.

618
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: I was like, simn me up, I'm going to my

619
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: underwater cave.

620
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: And just the energy there felt I'm an I'm a

621
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: summer person, so to loom Hawaii.

622
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, something magic.

623
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 2: There's the energy shifts. Yeah, Like I don't know what

624
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: it does, but it soothes your soul in some way

625
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 2: that I can't describe.

626
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: Well, why is a place where like you feel so small,

627
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: which is such an ego check, and nature feels so

628
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: big and and it actually shapes the culture and the

629
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 3: consciousness of the people who live there, and it's just

630
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: so awesome, you know, the nature part of it's amazing Hawaii,

631
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 3: But to be around people who like really revere the ocean.

632
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 3: Every time I go there, I'm like, I'm so with

633
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 3: my people.

634
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: And is it true you said to me when you

635
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: said hello, you said aloha, which means hello in Hawaii

636
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: in Hawaii, but doesn't also just represent universal love?

637
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 3: Is that?

638
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: Am I right?

639
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 3: Yeah? It's a lot of people have that theory for sure.

640
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, the sacred breath.

641
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, or is it? I don't know. I just know

642
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: that everywhere you go in Hawaii.

643
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: That's hello and goodbye. Yeah, yeah, I love it. Yeah,

644
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: and it's and well, I only hesitated because there's a

645
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 3: lot of value add that gets added to a lot

646
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: of words, like even no must stay. For example, my

647
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: wife is from India and she's like, it kind of

648
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: just means hello, yeah, but we add like it means

649
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: the light in you, but just to lighten me and everything.

650
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 3: She's like, but we don't really learn that so much, so.

651
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: It just means hello.

652
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

653
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: I like that.

654
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 3: But it's what I call a value add, like take

655
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: a word and make it yours and yeah, it means

656
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: the light and needs to lose the light in you

657
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 3: and and that's awesome.

658
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: Like I can't tell you how many yoga classes where

659
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: that line has been said yeah before noticed the beginning

660
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: or right incredible.

661
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, anyway, shout out to Melbourne. I love it.

662
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 3: I would live in Torky in a second.

663
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,479
Speaker 1: Oh there's a great yoga studio up there that I love.

664
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 3: It's just opened, which one.

665
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: So yok yoga. Chris Wilson, do you know him?

666
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 3: Like a brother? I tied there and oh my god,

667
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 3: of course, Oh you've got a great teacher. Yeah, I

668
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 3: tied there in March, so Chris he took me.

669
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: I did went through his teacher training when it was

670
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: still Power Living and he took me under his wing.

671
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: So I got one on one coaching as a teacher. Oh,

672
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: I wonder if you'll know I did just see my

673
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: advanced training with do you know Duncan, the Canadian Duncan?

674
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: I wonder if you know him.

675
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: He's he's a wonderlust boy as well.

676
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, sure, well after but yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, fun,

677
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 4: a lot of fun, totally yeah, but yeah, Chris Wilson's

678
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 4: was a huge part of why I did.

679
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: I remember one day I was in.

680
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: A class and I used to assist him.

681
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: Okay, so when I just finished my teacher training, I'd

682
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: assist his classes because it was all the Power Living

683
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: way this then you'd teach and that was the way

684
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: you kind of became a teacher there. And I get

685
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: so excited but nervous because his classes were packed, right,

686
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: And I'd be like, Chris, what do we what's the theme?

687
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: Like what are you working towards? You know, just so

688
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 2: I know to prepare myself with this, and He's like, oh, lulls,

689
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 2: my head's a jungle, I don't know. And then you

690
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 2: go in there and he's like, guys, today we're doing yoga.

691
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 2: And then he still starts, or he'll introduce himself and go, hey,

692
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 2: I'm a surfer and I love yoga. We're gonna do

693
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 2: yoga today, and then it's the most this incredible class.

694
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: He's also, yeah, I can see what you like with

695
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: surfer totally.

696
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 3: Actually, I know you want to get to the failure

697
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: thing or just as quick as possible. One quick Chris

698
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 3: Wilson story is that I originally met Chris when I

699
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 3: was living in Vancouver's like a while ago, over a

700
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 3: decade ago, and and he was doing his teacher training

701
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 3: in Vancouver at another place, and a friend of mine

702
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 3: set was dating him, and she said, you know, I'm

703
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 3: eating this guy. And he's from Australia and he's been

704
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 3: here in Vancouver for so long, and he says, there's

705
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 3: actually no surf in Vancouver, but there's a good surfer

706
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 3: Vancouver Island, and he's like really missing the ocean and

707
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 3: we have a vacation home over there, and I'm like,

708
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 3: oh my god, I feel for him. I never met him,

709
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 3: if I would hate to be away from the ocean.

710
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: Lan yeah, and like here's the keys, go use my house.

711
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 3: Oh my god, tell him I never met him, Like,

712
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 3: just tell him to go use these boards and like

713
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 3: take I have like twenty surfboards in a lockerroom, like

714
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 3: take any board you want and just like go get

715
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: your water fixed. And so that's how I.

716
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's him now he's moved to be

717
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: back at Torkee. It's the ocean. Let us be like

718
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: totally there now. But I teach for yoak.

719
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 3: That's okay, good old Melbourn.

720
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: Yes, now we're now it's all coming together. Okay, So

721
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: remind me though, I can't end this podcast. I have

722
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,959
Speaker 2: I have to come back to Wales at the end. Okay,

723
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 2: since we both have an infinity and I love for Wales,

724
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: that's got.

725
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: To be the end. But okay, I look down at

726
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: my tattoo at the end.

727
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 2: Yes, I've got it written like orcar circled in like

728
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: big letters.

729
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 3: The best okay, some good stories, yeah, oh my goodness.

730
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: Say we'll make the failure a bit like really okay,

731
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 2: so you wrote to me there's really cool three like

732
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: lessons or failures, and I found them so fascinating because

733
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: I think often when people find their way to yoga,

734
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: it can be that same feeling that you described that

735
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: you felt he has. Do you want to share a

736
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 2: bit about you know, you're running really successful? Yeah?

737
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah. The first failure I sent in was actually

738
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 3: when I was the odd thing is I asked my

739
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: wife and Linage, do you think this qualifies because it's

740
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 3: actually at the time in my life where I was

741
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: probably most successful judging from the outside in other words,

742
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 3: when I had the most financial success. Okay, So at

743
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 3: the beginning, I really introduced the idea of how I

744
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: was inspired by nature and love and how I wanted

745
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 3: to connect all the dots. My goal in life was

746
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 3: to be a philosophy professor and teach the philosophy of love.

747
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna do. And I moved to

748
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 3: Hawaii right after university. And I finished my university in

749
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 3: France and I moved to Hawaii, and I'm like, I

750
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: just was living the best life. I was dating somebody. Actually,

751
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 3: oddly enough, she lives Manly now and I know I'm

752
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 3: here this weekend, but she was teaching English in Japan.

753
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 3: She's like, come on over to Japan. And I'm like, okay,

754
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 3: I'll go. And in Japan, I got really into martial

755
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 3: arts and it's called satokon, which is not a really

756
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: popular one outside of Japan, but kind of the closest

757
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 3: I can think of is like muey Thai boxing. Yeah,

758
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 3: it's kind of like that. You can punch to the

759
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 3: body but not to the head, but you can kick

760
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 3: to the head. Yeah. So I did all these contests

761
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 3: over there. I kind of was, I mean slowly drifting.

762
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 3: I had dreadlocks and was this philosophy of love so

763
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 3: for yogi guy, and was kind of drifting more into

764
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 3: more manly macho phase. And so I was in the

765
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 3: martial arts phase. And the short story on this is

766
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 3: that one of the guys that I trained with in

767
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 3: the dojo, his dad was a developer in Osaka, Japan,

768
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: and so he was getting all the building materials for

769
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 3: the houses that they were building from Canada, where I'm from,

770
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 3: and he sat down with me one day. I can

771
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 3: speak Japanese, and he sat down with me one day

772
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 3: in the dojo and said, Hey, I got a proposal.

773
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: If you can save us ten percent on these house packages,

774
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 3: we'll give you five off the top. And I'm like, oh,

775
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 3: that sounds pretty good. And then and he said, yeah,

776
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: if you can save us five percent, we'll give you

777
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: two percent. And I'm like, this isn't And at the time,

778
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 3: I was pretty sick of Japan, to be honest with you,

779
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 3: and I would just wanted to get back to Hawaii.

780
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 3: I just want to go back to Hawaii, eat mangoes

781
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 3: and do yoga, surfing and I can live that simple

782
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 3: life again. But there was a voice inside of my head,

783
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 3: which oddly was my dad's voice. And my dad was

784
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 3: a lawyer and he's very into business. You know. I

785
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 3: learned a lot from my dad, but he was a

786
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 3: man in the man's world. And you know, men have

787
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 3: a very small box. We can talk sports and business

788
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: and that's about it. Like with my dad, anything outside

789
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 3: of the box of sports and business, we didn't really

790
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 3: have a spot. And unfortunately, his sport, by the way,

791
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 3: it was horse racing, which is so boring. But anyway,

792
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 3: back to the point here is that I was saving

793
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 3: up money to go back to Hawaii and I thought,

794
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 3: I looked at these plans and I said I can

795
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 3: do this, I can do that, and so I flew

796
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 3: back to Toronto where I'm originally from, and I took

797
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 3: the money I was going to go to Hawaii with.

798
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 3: I asked all my friends who are builders. I'm a

799
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: handyman gene and my family is super recessive, like I

800
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 3: still can't hammer and nail and straight and I just

801
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 3: I said, where you buy doors, where you buy flooring,

802
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 3: where you buy siding. And I priced out these house packages.

803
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 3: I cut off my dreadlocks, I bought a suit, I

804
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 3: bought a ticket back to Japan. I sat in a

805
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 3: boardroom in Osaka and I said, this is how much

806
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 3: these people are charging you for these subdivisions, and this

807
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 3: is how much I can charge you, and I can

808
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 3: get these crews to come over and build them. And

809
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 3: they said yes. So, like overnight, I went from being

810
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: a free spirited person on the philosophy of love track

811
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 3: and mangos and doing yoga to a businessman and I

812
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 3: started my own company. And again, the shorter story on

813
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 3: it is that it was super financially successful, but there

814
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 3: was a lot of stress and actually talking about being

815
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: crushed for time, I was always crushed for time, like

816
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 3: meaning like I was always like deadlines, and it was

817
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 3: stressful and there was a point where I'm just like

818
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 3: I was always thinking, I can't keep doing this. This

819
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 3: is not my purpose in life. And so that's why

820
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 3: I call it a failure is the money was coming,

821
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: but it was a failure in the sense of I

822
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 3: was put on this planet, I believe for a reason,

823
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 3: and I was failing at that. And as much as

824
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 3: the money was coming, in the real big thing I

825
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 3: loved about that time in my life is that I

826
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 3: was getting approval, especially as a man, meaning that now

827
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: when I talk to my day and his friends, it

828
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 3: wasn't like, oh, this is my son who wants to

829
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: be a philosophy of love professor. He was like, this

830
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 3: is my son and he has his company that builds

831
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 3: homes over in Japan. And I'd be like stiff back, going, yes,

832
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 3: that's what I do, and never like how do you

833
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 3: do it? And blah blah blah. And I would have

834
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 3: this acceptance which was even more like I mentioned, even

835
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 3: more than the financial success, but just I'm so glad

836
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 3: I did it because I really realized, actually use the

837
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: Joseph Campbell phrase, what it's like to be climbing a

838
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 3: ladder and realize that it's against the wrong wall a

839
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 3: you know, well, do you know what this is?

840
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 2: Using your own quote on you right now? When you

841
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: sent this to me, you said, I got to a

842
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: place where I couldn't deal with the disconnect between the

843
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: shape of my life and the calling of my internal compass. M. Yeah,

844
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: that's your quote, my friend.

845
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's it was such an important lesson. That's

846
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 3: why I wouldn't, like, would I ever go back and

847
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 3: like change that part of my life. I'm so glad

848
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 3: I had it. And anyone listening to this, don't get

849
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 3: me wrong thinking that you need to quit your corporate

850
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 3: job and go be a yoga instructor. The world's lots

851
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 3: of yoga instructors. I'm not trying to spread that message.

852
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is that everyone needs to know their

853
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 3: life mission, and mine is to be a conduit for love.

854
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 3: It's to bring as much love fearlessly out into this

855
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,919
Speaker 3: planet as possible, and frankly, I was just falling way

856
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 3: short of that of my potential and even to the

857
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 3: point like the day I quit was literally a day,

858
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 3: and it was I lived in an apartment in Vancouver

859
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 3: and there was a guy who lived across the hall

860
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 3: from me, and I thought he looked like a really

861
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: interesting dude, Like I should get to know this guy.

862
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 3: And the months passed, the years passed, and I never

863
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 3: knocked on the door. I never knew him. I was

864
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 3: too busy. And there was a day where a U

865
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: haul was outside and knew people were moving in. He

866
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: had moved out, and I'm like, everything I stand for

867
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 3: is this, like this experiment where we no longer know

868
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 3: our neighbors is wrong. And I was one of those

869
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 3: people that didn't know their neighbors and I just was

870
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm in the matrix, I'm living in this dream.

871
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 3: What is wrong with me? And that's when the feeling

872
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 3: in my heart and my gut was just like unbearable.

873
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 3: And I had you know, we had fax machines, and

874
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 3: I'd like, I thought it was a big deal, sent

875
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 3: a piece of paper with the phone line, and I

876
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: sent a facts to my clients and said, Arito Sionara, aloha,

877
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 3: I'm going back to Hawaii. And I committed to never

878
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 3: ever doing anything that's not in line with that internal purpose.

879
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: And I love that one of the prerequisites for this

880
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 2: show is people that march to the baby of their

881
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 2: own drum.

882
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 3: Okay, so you clearly do that.

883
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, big time. And that's an example. But it's

884
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: beautiful to hear you say that, share that story, because

885
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: I think we can all get a little bit lost

886
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: along the way. And if you come back to that

887
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: internal compass to that purpose, and if you're not sure

888
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 2: of what that is, I say to people, find the like.

889
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 2: There's this word in psychology like to be in flow state.

890
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 2: So find the flow, like, find that thing where time.

891
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 3: Stops for you exactly.

892
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: And that's a pretty good like compass for you. And

893
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: there's that awesome you know.

894
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: It's a good test too, is like something you would

895
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 3: do even if you didn't get paid, you know. And

896
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 3: so for me, I found that thing when I started

897
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 3: teaching yoga, like I would do this even if I

898
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 3: didn't get paid. In fact, people all the time are like, oh,

899
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 3: I love your class, and I'm like, oh you have.

900
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: I love myself so much better because you were here

901
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: and help me be a channel for something.

902
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh you make me want to do your class

903
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: as well.

904
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 3: Luck we can go, right And one of the last.

905
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: Times pumped to see that, Oh yeah, I've already looked

906
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: at the schedule we're on at the same time. But

907
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: I think you're on a second time, I'm going to

908
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: sneak to it, or the.

909
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 3: Same time I looked, yeah, damn it. Of course they

910
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 3: do that. Now.

911
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: This bit I love because I think a lot of

912
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 2: yoga teachers, I know, I've been in this scenario before,

913
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 2: and you know, you do your teacher training and you're like, Yeah,

914
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 2: I'm going to teach yoga and it's going to be

915
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: awesome and you know everyone's gonna love it. I'm gonna

916
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: have a great playlist, you know, and you get almost

917
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: kind of like caught up in there.

918
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: How you want it to be and how you the

919
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: ego wants it to be as well, well, how.

920
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 3: The postcard looks, tell me how the brochure looks. You

921
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 3: see your favorite yoga teacher and you're like, I want

922
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 3: to be like them. Telling you graduate and then you're like,

923
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 3: I'm at the bottom of this big ass total for.

924
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: Yeah totally and yes you when you decided to teach

925
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: yogo you're in Vancouver, yep, and talk about yeah.

926
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 3: Well, I mean there is a thread through all of

927
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 3: this too, because it's kind of chronological. So after I

928
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 3: moved back to Hawaii, I was living there, but when

929
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 3: I was crossing the border from Vancouver to go back

930
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 3: into Hawaii. On the flight, they said, oh, we think

931
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 3: you're living in Hawaii. Like if you can bring these documents,

932
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 3: will let you back in. And I could have done it,

933
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 3: but I was kind of a wake up call of like, Okay,

934
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: I'm really just going to debt in Hawaii. Okay, I'm

935
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 3: stay in Vancouver and get my act together. And then

936
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 3: so I started going to At that time in Vancouver

937
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 3: there was literally two or three yoga studios and there

938
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 3: was yoga, but it was like in HAWAYMCA or like

939
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 3: church basements and stuff like this. And I just couldn't

940
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 3: find the type of classes I was going to in Hawaii.

941
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 3: So I'm like, this is it. I'm going to start

942
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 3: teaching yoga. Like when I lived in Hawaii, I never

943
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 3: ever thought I was going to teach yoga because a

944
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 3: lot of my teachers had been teaching yoga since before

945
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 3: I was born. Yeah, and then like the last thing

946
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 3: Hawaii needs is another yoga instructor. But then I went

947
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 3: to Vancouver, I'm like, I can't find it. So this

948
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,240
Speaker 3: is this is my chance to step up and really

949
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 3: answer my calling. And so again another thread through this

950
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 3: whole thing is Joseph Campbell, who of course said follow

951
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 3: your bliss. Do you know that quote?

952
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

953
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, So bliss oology is a nod.

954
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 5: To Joseph Campbell's work, Follow your bliss, But do you

955
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 5: know the whole quote, Follow your bliss and doors will

956
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 5: open where once there were walls. Follow your bliss and

957
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 5: doors will open where once there were walls.

958
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 3: And so I'm like, that's it. I'm going to follow

959
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 3: my bliss and doors are just going to magically open

960
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 3: for me. Okay. So I came back with a little

961
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 3: bit of credit card, a lot of credit card dead

962
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 3: actually from Hawaii. Hawaii does that to you? And and

963
00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 3: I rent to the space to teach yoga and just

964
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 3: you know, by the night, I rented it for two

965
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 3: hours a night in this community center, and no one came.

966
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 3: And when I say no one, I don't mean like

967
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 3: a few people. I mean literally no one. And so

968
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 3: I tell the story when people graduate from our trainings

969
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 3: all the time, because it's not going to be easy.

970
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 3: And so I would walk into this room, open the door,

971
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 3: and no one would be there, and I'd stand there

972
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 3: and no one would be there, and I'd be like,

973
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 3: you know, almost in tears like Okay, pick yourself up, man, like,

974
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 3: take a big breath, and I would just do my

975
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 3: practice by myself. I'm like, I got the space rented,

976
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 3: I might as well just do my practice by myself.

977
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 3: And so in that sense, I was a failure. Like

978
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,439
Speaker 3: my dad was like, you're teaching what And I'm like, yeah,

979
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 3: I'm doing yoga and he's like okay.

980
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 2: And and and.

981
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 3: Night after night after night for two months straight, nobody

982
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 3: he came. And it was seventy five dollars every night

983
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 3: to rent the space. And you know, I don't know

984
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 3: if failure is the right word, but it was a challenge.

985
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 3: And what I really learned is about like the Ganessha principle. Oh, so,

986
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 3: as you know Ganessha, we call him the remover of obstacles,

987
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 3: but he places obstacles in your way. And what I

988
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 3: learned about having the obstacle in your way is that

989
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 3: it helps you to get clear. And so it's an

990
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 3: initiation process. So it makes it made me look and say,

991
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 3: do you really really want this? The universe made me go,

992
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 3: are you sure this is what we want to do?

993
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 3: Because we're not going to just give it to you

994
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 3: if you're willing to like stick it out through this,

995
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 3: then okay, we'll let you in. So Joseph Campbell's quote,

996
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 3: follow your bliss and doors will open where once there

997
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 3: are walls, what I learned is that follow your bliss,

998
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 3: the universe will initiate you to make sure you really

999
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: want it, and then doors will open once there were walls.

1000
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 3: Because what happened is literally I remember the night two

1001
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 3: people came and we have this shampoo commercial when I

1002
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,479
Speaker 3: was young, and they told two friends, and they told

1003
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 3: two friends and so on and so on and so on,

1004
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 3: and within a year the issue was that the room

1005
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 3: fit one hundred people, but like one hundred and twenty

1006
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 3: people were showing up, so like we have to send

1007
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 3: people home, and like there was the match were just

1008
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 3: chammed in there. So like the doors did open, but

1009
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 3: it was not easy. And so I mean, I think

1010
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 3: this is a real big lesson for not just yoga teachers,

1011
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 3: but any conscious entrepreneur that really wants to fuse their

1012
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 3: passion with making a living, and they're going to like,

1013
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 3: we just have to realize that we're all going to

1014
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 3: have to go through this initiation process. I'm sure for

1015
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 3: you of the doors and just magically open. You had

1016
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 3: to really just curl in on yourself and go. You know,

1017
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 3: it's it's like that pressure of the world keeping in

1018
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 3: on you. That's how diamonds are me. Yeah, totally, and

1019
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 3: you just had to find that internal diamond inside of

1020
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 3: you and go, this is coming out. I'm sure right, totally, yeah, totally.

1021
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 2: Like I've had businesses that have failed many a time,

1022
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: and I've taken it as a gift, but I've at

1023
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 2: that stage also walked away and gone I had a

1024
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 2: smoothie bar. You could have loved it. Actually, it's like

1025
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 2: vegan smoothie bar, green smoothies, Asahi bowls and probably stuff

1026
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 2: that's right up your alley. Very Hawaiians Hawaii. It's very

1027
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 2: Hawaii inspired and it would go nuts. In the summer

1028
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: it exsel But Melbourne in the winter is like Siberia.

1029
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: It's freezing and you don't want smoothie bowls. Yeah, you

1030
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 2: don't want You want warming food, like we're talking about

1031
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: that seasonal kind of thing. You want more like brothy

1032
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 2: things or soups. You don't want a cold smooth that

1033
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 2: will literally in even vady Chinese medicine. It's going to cool,

1034
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 2: it's going to be the opposite what the body needs,

1035
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 2: and it would just die in the winter. It would die, die,

1036
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 2: like no one would go. We floated it every single winter,

1037
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 2: the partners and I yeah, got to the fourth year

1038
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 2: we'd have to float it. And the main investry was like,

1039
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: I'm out, and I think they all offered me a

1040
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 2: really awesome cheap deal to buy everyone out.

1041
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: And I said, and I initially cried.

1042
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 2: I definitely had my emotional I was totally attached at

1043
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 2: that stage, and my ego was like, oh my god.

1044
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: But then I sat with it and I went back

1045
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 2: into the meeting and I said, give me a week

1046
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,919
Speaker 2: to think about it. And I went back in I said, guys,

1047
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 2: I'm ready to sell with you. And they were like what.

1048
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 2: And it was the best experience and do you know, yeah,

1049
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 2: I sold it.

1050
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 3: Oh good, Yeah, it was no.

1051
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 2: No, I just sold it to someone that could give

1052
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: a bit more passion than I could give. And I

1053
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 2: learned how hospitality wasn't my jam either. But the interesting

1054
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 2: thing for me was people would I've spoken about this

1055
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 2: a little bit, people would look at me and I'd

1056
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 2: be like, they'd be like, how it was called happy place,

1057
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 2: and they go has happy place going go ah, I

1058
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 2: sold it, and they go. You either get eighty percent

1059
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 2: of people go oh are you okay? And then twenty

1060
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 2: percent of people will be like.

1061
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 3: Oh, this is so exciting, next next level. Yeah, like

1062
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 3: a video game, you're like, okay, leverage this.

1063
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: Now totally and so now. I that's why these podcasts exists.

1064
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 2: I love those moments where, like you said that, obstacles

1065
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 2: put in front of you and you can either go

1066
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 2: do I really want this?

1067
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 3: Like do?

1068
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 2: And I got offered to buy out the other partners

1069
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 2: super cheap, and I was like, I, this isn't in

1070
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 2: line with my bliss and it was and it wasn't

1071
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 2: a bad thing that it wasn't either, right, like when

1072
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 2: you're in Japan, you're like, this is I was financially successful.

1073
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 2: I learned all these things. I lived that, like the

1074
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 2: manly manly style, and then but it wasn't in line

1075
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 2: with your bliss.

1076
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and as long as your ego is not in it,

1077
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 3: it's like no drama. Right, Like you try a pair

1078
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 3: of shoes on and they don't fit you, like these

1079
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 3: these are too narrow for my foot and there's no

1080
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 3: big deal, and you're like, I tried the smoothie bar

1081
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 3: on it and if your egos on it, you're like,

1082
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 3: I tried it, it's not me.

1083
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I learned a ton and now I'm doing

1084
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 2: a podcast that I love exactly right, So you've got

1085
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 2: one more failure. Then we get to talk about whales again.

1086
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: This one I love as somebody I've moved to different

1087
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,280
Speaker 2: parts of the world and different countries and different cities,

1088
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 2: and this feeling that you describe when you move.

1089
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: To California, yeah, I can relate to you.

1090
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 2: So I'm so excited for you to kind of and

1091
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 2: it kind of speaks to the Joseph Campbell quote again

1092
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 2: about no open doors.

1093
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 3: Yeah in a way. Yeah, that door, that's a that's

1094
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 3: an example of Okay. So the short story on this

1095
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 3: one now is that I'm honestly a closet Australian. I

1096
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 3: mentioned that. So if I was born in Australia, I

1097
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 3: would have none of these problems. But the fact is

1098
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 3: I was born in Canada, and so to be and

1099
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 3: I love surfing. Okay, So if you're going to be

1100
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 3: a surfer in Canada, you need to moved to this

1101
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 3: little town called Tiffino, which is like more remote than Iceland.

1102
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 3: And it has fifteen hundred people in it. And I

1103
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 3: tried to do it with my wife who's from Bombay, India,

1104
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 3: a tropical city of twenty million people. So moving to

1105
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 3: a small, remote Canadian fishing town where it rains fourteen

1106
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 3: feet a year too, so I surf was just not

1107
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 3: her jam and so like okay, and she loves cities.

1108
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 3: So I said, well, if you like cities and I

1109
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 3: want to surf, that means we can live move to Sydney,

1110
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 3: San Francisco or Los Angeles. So we ended up long

1111
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 3: story stort. We moved to Los Angeles Venice, but the

1112
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 3: surf there is brutally bad. Like I understand why skateboarding

1113
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 3: wasn't in Venice because everyone's jacked up on surf, but

1114
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 3: there's never any surf. So they're like, let's just go

1115
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 3: skating the pools because it's just horrible for surfing. And yeah,

1116
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 3: it has all the image like you'll see surf shops everywhere,

1117
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 3: but you're actually living there, it's going to drive you

1118
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 3: crazy if you're a surfer, I mean, unless you like

1119
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 3: surfing knee high wind waves. It was driving me crazy,

1120
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 3: and with five hundred other people, and so I would

1121
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 3: always look at the forecast, and I was looking up

1122
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 3: the coast all the time in northern California. Oh, actually,

1123
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 3: we're gonna move or down south in San Diego. It's

1124
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 3: kind of a long story, but the way the waves

1125
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:32,959
Speaker 3: come in La it's in a bay, so it doesn't

1126
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 3: get the same waves, and there's the islands out there

1127
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 3: with the channel islands that block the surf and everything.

1128
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 3: So basically the better surfers either south in San Diego

1129
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 3: or north up by San Francisco. And so we were

1130
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 3: going to move to San Diego, but then we ended

1131
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 3: up moving Like right when we were looking at houses there,

1132
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 3: I'm from a place with a lot of trees and mountains,

1133
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh my god, I don't know if

1134
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 3: I love all the sunshine beaches and stuff like that,

1135
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 3: but I'm like, I really don't know if I cannot

1136
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 3: be around trees and forests.

1137
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: And why you get like that?

1138
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 3: Then yeah, so I'm like, how about Santa Cruz? And

1139
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 3: she was like sure, So like literally we changed our

1140
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 3: whole life, moved up to Santa Cruz and it ticked

1141
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 3: all the boxes. So I wanted a spot where I

1142
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 3: could not just teach yoga, but I wanted to take

1143
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 3: people on retreats where we could get them from out

1144
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 3: into nature as well. And Santa Cruz if you don't

1145
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 3: know it, it's northern California. It's only an hour and

1146
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 3: a bit from San Francisco down the coast. But if

1147
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 3: you drive like a mile or two out of town,

1148
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 3: your mobile phone doesn't work. Like it's it's just beaches.

1149
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 3: It's windy and foggy a lot, but it's so gorgeous,

1150
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 3: like I would rather. I'm the type of person I'd

1151
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 3: rather be on a beach with no one on it

1152
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 3: in a sweater, then with five hundred people on an

1153
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 3: amazing weather. Anyhow, So we're like, this place is going

1154
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 3: to work for us. It's really close to Silicon Valley.

1155
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 3: We can bring all those stressed out people with money

1156
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 3: over here, like on paper, like computer data. Swipe right,

1157
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 3: this is amazing. This is our spot. And so we

1158
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 3: moved to Santa Cruz. But it didn't let us in.

1159
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 3: It just didn't let us in for so many different reasons.

1160
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 3: The Canadian dollar changed, so as you know in Australia,

1161
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 3: it's painful. The US dollar just got so strong that

1162
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 3: you know, like I'm friends with Chip from Lululemon, and

1163
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 3: I'm like, how did you build your business up in

1164
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 3: the US, And he's like, well, our Canadian business was

1165
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 3: so strong, even though when we first started in the

1166
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 3: US we were kind of losing money. We could use

1167
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 3: our Canadian sales to float US, and that didn't really

1168
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 3: work out for me because none of when we tried

1169
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 3: to run our programs there, anyone from Canada, like Australia

1170
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 3: would like say, I'm not going to the US where

1171
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 3: I have to pay thirty percent more for everything. So

1172
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 3: then that whole like so that was a big part

1173
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 3: of my economic driver. I couldn't do that anymore. So

1174
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 3: that was one way it didn't let us in. And

1175
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 3: then I didn't have any credit, so we couldn't buy

1176
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 3: a house, and so even though we had equity with

1177
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 3: a home in Canada, that didn't count for anything in

1178
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 3: the US. And so literally in Santa Cruz when we

1179
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 3: moved there, the average house price was seven hundred thousand,

1180
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 3: and by the time we decided to leave, it was

1181
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 3: one point one million. Because silicon value is right over

1182
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 3: the corner and it just moved in like crazy. So

1183
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 3: within that three year period when I did finally have credit,

1184
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, we just can't hang here anymore. And

1185
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 3: there's a few other reasons which I don't know it. Basically,

1186
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 3: I realized the whole reason ultimately why I'm doing this

1187
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 3: is so I can serve more. Yeah, everyone's like, oh,

1188
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 3: was it the sunshine? Was? It didn't rain too much

1189
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 3: of make care room Like, No, I love surfing the rain.

1190
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 3: I don't mind amos and any of that stuff. I'm cool.

1191
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 3: It's just yeah, I just wanted to live somewhere where

1192
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 3: the beach down and did not let us in for

1193
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 3: so many other reasons. And and that's when you had

1194
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 3: to realize, like that these doors were just not opening.

1195
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 3: And it's a fine line between trying to pose doors

1196
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 3: open to keep using that same analogy. Yeah, I think

1197
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 3: I wrote it to you too. Yeah, and when you

1198
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 3: have to realize, okay, this is not my door.

1199
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 2: So this I wrote this down. Do you want to

1200
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 2: know what you wrote? What you say because you write beautifully?

1201
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 3: Oh? Really? Yeah.

1202
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 2: It was the difference between pushing down, pushing doors open,

1203
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 2: and recognizing that sometimes when a door doesn't open, it

1204
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,439
Speaker 2: simply isn't your door. And then it made me think

1205
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 2: of the Yogi word for non attachment. You will know

1206
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 2: that I don't know how to say that word that. Yeah,

1207
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 2: you can never get that one. I have non attachment, right, Yeah,

1208
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 2: and so knowing, hey, this is not this is not

1209
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:05,959
Speaker 2: our jam.

1210
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I'm getting I'm getting pushed somewhere else,

1211
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 3: and you know you have to trust the process totally. Yeah.

1212
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 2: Failure, thanks.

1213
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 3: Feel No, I just learned a time and they wouldn't

1214
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 3: go back.

1215
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you've done it, do you know what I mean?

1216
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 2: You've like you've explored it and you've learned, and you've

1217
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 2: even though it feels like failure.

1218
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: At the time.

1219
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 2: Yea, there were probably all these things that you were like, actually,

1220
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 2: I've learned this stuff like this.

1221
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 3: I hope it doesn't figure out it because you're just

1222
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 3: about to move together.

1223
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 2: No, I'm a gypsy, so I'm very like I've practiced

1224
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 2: a lot of protast This works, this is all.

1225
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 3: And it could be totally different for you, right, Like

1226
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 3: that's the whole thing. It's like, just because my journey

1227
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 3: didn't work out, it doesn't mean yours is yours is

1228
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 3: completely fresh one.

1229
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 2: Well, as long as I'm following my bliss and my

1230
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 2: heart happy days that can be anywhere in the world, right,

1231
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 2: you know exactly. That doesn't start at the moment you

1232
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 2: land somewhere, or of the moment that you get that

1233
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 2: dream job or find the perfect person. You know, it doesn't.

1234
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: You've got to be doing that now wherever.

1235
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 3: You are in the moment. Yeah, Wales, Wales. Okay, Okay.

1236
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 2: So I have a question for you, being a Canadian,

1237
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 2: I have heard that you can kayak in the wild

1238
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 2: with Orca whales.

1239
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean there's so many whales

1240
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 3: orcas where we live now, in this city called Victoria.

1241
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 3: I just mentioned too before we started. I could literally

1242
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 3: walk down the street on a stand up paddle board

1243
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 3: and go probably a mile off shore and be with

1244
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 3: the orcas. They have tours all the time. And yeah,

1245
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 3: I told us can tell you some orchestra. So orcas

1246
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 3: are super interesting because Vancouver Island is an island, and

1247
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 3: so there's a street in between, so Vancouver Island and

1248
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 3: the mainland, and the orcas live on the inland side

1249
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 3: and they live in big pods of like forty fifty orcas.

1250
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 3: But genetically they're exactly the same, but sociologically they're completely.

1251
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: Differentferent languages, different dialects.

1252
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 3: Well, it just how they how they live, because the

1253
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 3: orcas on the coast mostly are solo or maybe they'll

1254
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 3: go together in a pack of and I'm not exactly

1255
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 3: sure three four, maybe six and hunt together, but otherwise

1256
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 3: they're solo, yeahs versus living.

1257
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:30,919
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1258
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 3: When you see them on the inside passages, there's you know,

1259
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 3: like I mentioned forty or fifty, but in the outside

1260
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 3: you'll just see like a.

1261
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: Couple and there's a matriarch. It's run by the girl.

1262
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 2: Did you know that.

1263
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 3: I didn't know that.

1264
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's the Mama Bear that's in charge of

1265
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 2: the whole pack. Okay, and so different So different orcas

1266
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 2: depending on where they live, have different dialects. So you

1267
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 2: can't just take one from captivity and just shove it

1268
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 2: into a pod or just be like, oh, you're free now.

1269
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 2: And that's why there's all these plans to kind of

1270
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 2: like create these kind of like I don't know, it's

1271
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 2: like a halfway home where you're in the sea and

1272
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 2: you've got all this space, but you're still kind of

1273
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 2: like netted off to a certain extent, and then eventually

1274
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 2: you get freed. Because they don't you can't just shove

1275
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 2: it in a family of aucers because they may not

1276
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 2: be accepted or know how to speak the dialect.

1277
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 3: Okay, cool, how fascinating, amazing. Well, some of the biologists

1278
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 3: out there can send us information and all this stuff,

1279
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 3: because if I didn't teach yoga, I would be a

1280
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 3: marine biology in a second. That would be my next gem.

1281
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean the thought I was thinking as

1282
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 3: you were seeing all that is it reminds me of

1283
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 3: other predators, like lions, where it's like the lioness is

1284
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 3: the one that goes out in the minds and I

1285
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 3: don't know, it's like where they're kind of really in

1286
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 3: a weird way calling the shots more than we like

1287
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,439
Speaker 3: to admit. But I wonder if that's something about predators something.

1288
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 2: I'm going to send you the link and I will

1289
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 2: post the link in the show notes here for blackfish,

1290
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 2: because I think, do you know that it's sad though

1291
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 2: you do see animals in Captain, But it's so fascinating.

1292
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 3: I've heard about now that you mentioned.

1293
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 2: But that's the stuff that causes social change.

1294
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 3: I'm so cool.

1295
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: I love that kind of like and because I love

1296
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm studying acting, I love film.

1297
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 3: And all of that kind of thing.

1298
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, let's just make a docco and save

1299
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 2: the world.

1300
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1301
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 2: The other thing, just on the whale thing. Have you

1302
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 2: ever swam with whale sharks?

1303
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, it certainly had my hand inside of one's mouth,

1304
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 3: like I didn't mean to, It's just no, it was

1305
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, oh my god. And they and they

1306
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 3: move like sharks.

1307
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1308
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: I swam with them in the wild in the Maldives

1309
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: or some people call the Maldives.

1310
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 2: Apparently I'm saying it. I don't you swim on there,

1311
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 2: You swim you kind of you're you're above them and

1312
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 2: they kind of these they're pretty gentle giants.

1313
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 3: Though. Oh no, I know, but still when you I

1314
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 3: didn't I didn't want to be that close. It just

1315
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 3: kind of happened that they came close to me. But yeah,

1316
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 3: but that was in Baja anyway. Yeah, I love being

1317
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 3: with marine animals. And yeah, the relating to the orchest story,

1318
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 3: you know, especially here where so many people are like, oh,

1319
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,959
Speaker 3: I just like the shore surfing my boardies. Yeah yeah,

1320
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 3: and I'm like, no, it's so worth I know, everything

1321
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 3: is pushies and weddies. Yeah. Anyway, I'm like, oh, I

1322
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 3: don't mind having a five minute wet suit on, because

1323
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 3: where I'm from, you get out in so much nature.

1324
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 3: Like I look down up the coast, there's nothing, no houses,

1325
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 3: and you're just with so much rugged nature, and it's

1326
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 3: it's just true soul surfing. And so there's one time

1327
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 3: where I was surfing in a very pretty remote place.

1328
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 3: I think there's me and maybe four other guys at

1329
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 3: the time, and it's pretty epic day of surfing and

1330
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 3: we're sitting in the lineup and I would say about

1331
01:08:54,479 --> 01:09:01,799
Speaker 3: thirty both sea lions and seals. They all came jumping

1332
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 3: up through the water and we were laughing and we're going, God,

1333
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 3: what is it like sea lions on parade? They're all jumping,

1334
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 3: But now I know what to look for it.

1335
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: Oh, because the orcars were rounding them up and hunting them.

1336
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 3: Well, I only saw one orca, but yeah, one orca

1337
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 3: and their dorsal fin is like six feet high, bigger

1338
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 3: than me, and it's just and it swims right by us.

1339
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 3: And and I'm like, I mean, you've everything you said

1340
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 3: goes through your mind rationally, like, Okay, they've never eaten

1341
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 3: humans before, But I'm like, I'm not sure how many

1342
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 3: humans have been in this exact. Yes.

1343
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 2: Also, they're called a killer whale, yeah exactly. There's all

1344
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 2: these things you can look on YouTube whether a kill

1345
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 2: whale or a great white chalk would win. So you

1346
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 2: know that they've got and they're like the Apex predator.

1347
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, killer whales win every time.

1348
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 2: And you and you've got a blue whale, right and

1349
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 2: haven't I'm pretty sure orcas are a bit mean to

1350
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 2: blue whales.

1351
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 3: Baby, oh yeah. Puny of documentaries The Nature from the

1352
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 3: Mama and Keep Nature is ruthless and they got to eat.

1353
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 3: But god, I think it was in Blue Planet, the

1354
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 3: original one. Maybe I'm wrong about the documentary, but I

1355
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 3: saw a long time ago of we get a lot

1356
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 3: of also the gray whales that come up from Mexico

1357
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 3: where I live. And so it showed the orcas off

1358
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 3: the coast of San Francisco and they get in between

1359
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,600
Speaker 3: the mother and the calf and have you seen this?

1360
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 3: And they separate it and they eventually sink it. Yeah,

1361
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 3: and so the you know, the whales can't stand in

1362
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 3: the water forever. They need to breathe, like every fifteen

1363
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 3: minutes or something, but they submerge it. So the whale

1364
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 3: actually drowns and then I don't know if you've seen

1365
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 3: this actual documentary, but then what they do the orcas

1366
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 3: is they only eat the tongue and the jaw, and

1367
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 3: you're like, what a waste, why would they do that?

1368
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 3: But then, like nature, you got to kind of see

1369
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 3: the grander scheme of things, because as the documentary went on,

1370
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 3: like a year later, the work us. I mean, the

1371
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 3: whale is still being eaten. And I read a fact

1372
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 3: that actually the amount of time I heard some I'm

1373
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 3: talking about this, and again the biologists can incorrect me

1374
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 3: if I'm wrong, but they said that it's approximately the

1375
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 3: amount of time it takes for a corpse to get

1376
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 3: fully eaten in the ocean is the same as the

1377
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 3: whale's life. So if a whale lives to be eighty years,

1378
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 3: it takes it takes about eighty years to fully for

1379
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 3: all that micro bacteria to eat that whale. It will

1380
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 3: feed for that long. So, you know, nature helps us

1381
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 3: see a grander scheme than just us.

1382
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: You know, Can I ask one more nature question and

1383
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: a whale question?

1384
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1385
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,679
Speaker 2: And also for a question, have you ever been there's

1386
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 2: this amazing surfer, David Rastovich Free surfar done heaps for

1387
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 2: the environment.

1388
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 3: Oh here, I want to connect with him. I know

1389
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 3: all kinds of friends who know him, and I'm just like,

1390
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 3: I got it. Yeah, I just want medium give him

1391
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 3: high five for the very least.

1392
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. He's actually got a podcast that he gets

1393
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 2: people on. I'm pretty sure that you could the prework

1394
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 2: was it for going on? Is being passionate about saving

1395
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 2: the ocean? So I feel like you've got that prerequisite down, pat.

1396
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 2: But I'll put you in touch with him because they're

1397
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 2: all connected. But he talked about this one day. He

1398
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 2: talked about the intelligence of dolphins, and he said he

1399
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 2: was surfing one day and there was a tiger shark.

1400
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 2: So that's one of the nasty not nasty, but they

1401
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 2: can hurt humans a little bit. They're fast and can

1402
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 2: be aggressive. And he was surfing and there was a

1403
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 2: tiger shark and a pot out of was a pot

1404
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 2: or it was dolphins that just kept circling him and

1405
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 2: his mate that were outsurfing and probably in the firing

1406
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 2: line this tiger shark, and they kept surfling them as

1407
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 2: they paddled in to where it was safe, and the

1408
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,640
Speaker 2: dolphins kept them safe by circling the two surfers as

1409
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 2: they got into shallow water and can get out of

1410
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 2: the water.

1411
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,639
Speaker 3: It's amazing. Yeah, I've heard him tell that story before.

1412
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 2: Have you ever had experience with like dolphins or is

1413
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 2: there anything in the ocean where you've just been like,

1414
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 2: how did that just happen to me? In an amazing

1415
01:12:58,439 --> 01:12:59,639
Speaker 2: or encounter?

1416
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've never been actually saved by dogs.

1417
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:08,560
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a pretty extreme story, but yeah, I

1418
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 3: had so many amazing interaction with animals. Okay, I'll tell

1419
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 3: you a quick one. Sea lions where I'm from. You know,

1420
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 3: they're in the water all the time, and and so

1421
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 3: I'm surfing once in the sea lion. You know, have

1422
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 3: you ever been on the beach and like a dog

1423
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 3: comes up to you there and they're kind of cute

1424
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 3: but kind of annoying, like you stand all over your

1425
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 3: food and you're trying to have a picnic, and you're like, Okay,

1426
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 3: you're cute, but you're like this is too rambunctious for

1427
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 3: the vibe that's going on here right now. Anyway, So

1428
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 3: this that was that sea. So I'm on my surfboard

1429
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 3: and it for some reason took a real liking to me.

1430
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 3: So it was jumping over me, under me, knock me

1431
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:50,720
Speaker 3: off my board, bumping into me on the water. And

1432
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 3: I don't know if you ever fell a sea lion

1433
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 3: under the water, yeah up there, Like we have the

1434
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,759
Speaker 3: big stellar sea lions, which are like two thousand pounds

1435
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 3: er so smaller. California ons are like two hundred pounds

1436
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 3: three und pounds so solid. It's still pretty big. Yeah,

1437
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 3: not as big as the big big ones. Those guys

1438
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 3: scare me anyway, but when they bump into you, it

1439
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 3: feels like part fish and part horse, like they're hairy

1440
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 3: but it's but it's smooth anyway. They're bumping into you,

1441
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 3: And I wasn't really romanticizing it, like, oh, this is

1442
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 3: such a great nature moment. I'm like, I didn't know

1443
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 3: if it was actually aggressive, thinking like you're I'm like, dude,

1444
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 3: I'm going to commit a relationship. I have no interest

1445
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 3: in you. I didn't know if or if they were

1446
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 3: being if it was being friendly, and I'm like, even

1447
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 3: if it is being friendly, it takes a little nip,

1448
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 3: like there goes my pinky, Like there's nothing romantic about

1449
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 3: that situation. I don't I'm never like, oh, these are

1450
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 3: stuffed animals. And ye whatever, I'm like, but still it

1451
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 3: just kept jumping on me. So I went in and

1452
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 3: my friends are like, ah, they're laughing. And I walked

1453
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 3: like four hundred meters up the beach, but I don't

1454
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get talk whole like a meters, but

1455
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 3: like probably two hundred meters up. Yah. Yeah. And I

1456
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 3: went again and he found you found me again, and

1457
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 3: I went home. I'm like, that's it, I'm done. But

1458
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 3: what was interesting is I went back the next day

1459
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 3: and it was kind of it was more rainy, drizzly day.

1460
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 3: There wasn't as many people on the beach. In fact,

1461
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,839
Speaker 3: I kind of had this particular break almost to myself,

1462
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 3: and it was one of these days where it's a

1463
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 3: long period swell, so there's no waves for a long time,

1464
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 3: and then the waves would come and I'm sitting on

1465
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 3: my board and so this sea lion I should mention

1466
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 3: was super distinctive because it was like a beige, very

1467
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 3: light beige color, and it's this little beige head pops

1468
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 3: up beside me the next day and I'm like, oh

1469
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 3: my god, you totally ruined my surf yesterday, and here

1470
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 3: you are again. But he was kind of more she

1471
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, it was kind of more calm, and

1472
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 3: I was like looking at it and we're like making

1473
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 3: eye contact, and I'm talking to it, and I'm like, hey,

1474
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 3: what's your name? Like I'm gonna call you Sammy, like

1475
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 3: Salmon and Sammy the sea lion and anyway, So a

1476
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 3: wave finally comes and I paddle for the wave and

1477
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 3: I catch the wave, and Sammy goes and and just

1478
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 3: super graceful in the wave underneath me just opens up

1479
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 3: its pectorial little things and and just like an eagle,

1480
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 3: just rides the wave like this, I'm doing all these

1481
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 3: cutbacks over top of it. And then the wave ends

1482
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 3: and like the seal, sea lion stops and we swim

1483
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 3: out like head to head like just and and it

1484
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 3: makes me think about the moment where wolves became dogs,

1485
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 3: you know, like how we domesticate these things, because there's

1486
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 3: such a I don't know, I don't I don't know

1487
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 3: how to describe it. Like we would just he would

1488
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:47,640
Speaker 3: just sit there with me until the wave came, and

1489
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 3: we caught about six waves, yeah, and then it got

1490
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:54,600
Speaker 3: dark and I paddled in. That was the last I

1491
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 3: ever saw Sammy. But it was just such a. You know,

1492
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 3: when I have these experiences, you just like, you know,

1493
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 3: we're talking about love and nature and the ocean to

1494
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 3: bring a full circle and yeah, it's uh.

1495
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 2: Well, as you were saying that to me, it came

1496
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 2: back to connection. Yeah, which connection comes back to everything

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Speaker 2: that you're about as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's why, you know, that's why my goal

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Speaker 3: is as the world becomes more paved and more digital

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Speaker 3: and more busy, that I hope that we can still

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Speaker 3: like we're originally talking about, keep nature as the greatest

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01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 3: spiritual portal and kind of the end game, meaning that

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01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 3: for many people, the end game of meditation is to

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Speaker 3: you know, sit in this perfect white studio on the

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Speaker 3: thirtieth floor in New York with beautiful white robes and everything.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, that's not my end game. My end game

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Speaker 3: is to use those skills and get out into nature

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01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 3: and to really receive the message of what nature has

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Speaker 3: to offer.

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Speaker 2: I love that, and I feel like you will appreciate

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Speaker 2: one of my life. I want to live in a

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Speaker 2: tree house, like off the grid, just live in nature,

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Speaker 2: make friends with animals.

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Speaker 3: All that.

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Speaker 2: Some sounds very hippie and boho, and but it's just

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Speaker 2: I think when you describe that dream of being this

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Speaker 2: white apartment in New York, I was like, Oh, that

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01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 2: couldn't be further from play me to a forest, stay

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Speaker 2: New York, maybe in a trade house. That's my kind

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Speaker 2: of dream about good Well.

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Speaker 3: I hope more people are inspired by that, you know,

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Speaker 3: because my dream is actually my litmus test for success.

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Speaker 3: I've told you about failure. It's pretty simple. Actually, I

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Speaker 3: want to be able to write lots of books. I

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Speaker 3: want to be able to read lots of books. Number two,

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Speaker 3: I want time with my family. And number four is

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Speaker 3: I want to be able to spend as much time

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Speaker 3: with a blank mind looking out into the ocean as possible.

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Speaker 2: You're amazing. You've blown me away and we've talked for

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01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 2: so long, but I love it. It makes me happy.

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Speaker 2: My friends.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is the record.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for people listening. I don't know

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Speaker 2: where to start with how much you've taught us today

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Speaker 2: because there has been so much. But get out into nature, connect,

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Speaker 2: live from love fearlessly. Yeah, and for people that want

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01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 2: to know more about you, Blissology. You're on Insta, You've

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Speaker 2: got website, I've everything. Everything's Basology and you know what guys.

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Speaker 2: Those Ego Camma retreats. They sound amazing. Sign me up.

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01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:32,839
Speaker 2: Thank you you're wonderful.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, thanks for doing all this and stands

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Speaker 3: fired everyone. Kindness equals happiness.

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Speaker 1: I love that kindness equals happiness.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Peace.

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Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

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Speaker 2: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

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Speaker 2: on Instagram. I'm at Yumo lollaberry. This potty word for

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Speaker 2: podcast is available on all streaming platforms. I'd love it

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Speaker 2: if you could subscribe, rate and comment and of course

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Speaker 2: spread the love.