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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was and joining

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Speaker 1: us in the studio this morning. We have got The

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Speaker 1: Colp's Mary Claire Boothby, good morning.

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Speaker 2: Good morning again Katie and your listeners.

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Speaker 1: We've got nine News, Darwin's Kathleen Gazola, Good morning to you, Moning.

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Speaker 1: We've got the Independent, Kesier Puric, Good morning, Keezier.

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Speaker 3: Morning, Katie, Morning Bush People.

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Speaker 1: And from the Labor Party, we've got Brent Potter, Good morning.

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Speaker 4: Brent, morning, Katy morning. List is great to be back.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you all in the studio this morning.

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Speaker 1: And look there is a lot to cover off and

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Speaker 1: we might start off this morning with the fact that

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Speaker 1: we know there has been a survey of course released

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Speaker 1: by the Property Council of Australia. They have obviously released

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Speaker 1: this survey with concerns around property crime and anti social behavior.

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Speaker 1: It was finalized a little earlier in the week. Ruth Palmer,

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Speaker 1: the executive director of the Property Counselor, joined us on

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Speaker 1: the show and said ninety five percent of territory businesses

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Speaker 1: that had taken part. Excuse me, so there was four

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty two business owners that did take part

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Speaker 1: and property owners ninety five percent them said that they've

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Speaker 1: seen an increase in crime and anti social behavior in

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Speaker 1: the last six to twelve months. Now, she had said

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Speaker 1: that she'd met with the Chief Minister about the results

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Speaker 1: and it's understood that the government is going to examine

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Speaker 1: those results further. But just some of those numbers. Thirty

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Speaker 1: one percent of survey respondents said that they'd been spat on,

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Speaker 1: seventy percent had experienced public urination or defecation, eighty percent

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Speaker 1: had copped verbal abuse, and thirty two percent had received

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Speaker 1: physical abuse. I mean, some of these numbers, I think

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Speaker 1: that they're quite unsurprising for a lot of people, but

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Speaker 1: shocking nonetheless, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Katie, this survey basically tells everybody what we already know.

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Speaker 5: I mean, business owners have been telling us for a

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Speaker 5: long time. They're just sick of it. They're sick of

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Speaker 5: having to clean up the mess. They're sick of their

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Speaker 5: staff being abused and attack. And as you said, thirty

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Speaker 5: one percent people have been spat on. I mean, that's

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Speaker 5: just not good enough. You know, we tried to introduce

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Speaker 5: mandatry sentencing for saults on workers, but labor shut it down.

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Speaker 5: The survey itself, what you didn't say there was there

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Speaker 5: was one hundred and fifty solutions that were offered by respondents,

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Speaker 5: and a lot of those things were in line with

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Speaker 5: what we've been calling for for a long time, like

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Speaker 5: the mandatory sensing, like more police presence. And again we

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Speaker 5: have a labor government who is just not listening to

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Speaker 5: territorians and not responding in a way that they should

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Speaker 5: to protect our businesses.

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Speaker 6: What I thought was another interesting stat in that survey,

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Speaker 6: it was seventy percent said that the crime antity social

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Speaker 6: behavior is impacting their choices to invest further in their profities. So,

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Speaker 6: I mean you walk around this Darwin CBD. I mean

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Speaker 6: Alice Springs is a perfect example of how many shut

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Speaker 6: up shop boarded up and you know, gone through so

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Speaker 6: many smash windows and the like. They're not investing in

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Speaker 6: those buildings that are sitting empty because they're like, well

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Speaker 6: we're going to have to clean up a window. We

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Speaker 6: can't afford the insurance premiums if you're claiming them like,

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Speaker 6: they just keep going up. So that's a disappointing figure

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Speaker 6: because that's what you need to improve people in the territory.

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Speaker 1: We want people spending here in the territory. We want

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Speaker 1: people obviously making sure that there is more happening. But

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Speaker 1: I guess even I've seen myself and Brent, I know

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Speaker 1: you've probably seen as well. In perrap A, there was

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Speaker 1: a location there. One of the businesses there who I

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Speaker 1: know that had their windows smashed and they'd ended up.

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Speaker 1: They've just got the like the wooden sort of I

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Speaker 1: don't even know what it's called. I would sort of stand.

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Speaker 7: I think that a particular incident police reviewed CSVEN actually

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Speaker 7: couldn't see how it occurred. But I do acknowledge that

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Speaker 7: any social behavior has become a big problem for businesses

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Speaker 7: throughout the city and in the electorate, there are definitely

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Speaker 7: things at a local level you can do it.

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Speaker 4: I'm not here just to talk about my electorate.

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Speaker 7: What I would say in response to what the CLP said,

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Speaker 7: I mean, we increase penalties for spitting on emergency frontline workers.

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Speaker 7: At the end of the day, Mantry Sendency and the

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Speaker 7: law of form Societies said the same thing. It doesn't

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Speaker 7: achieve the effect of changeing the behavior. We've increased the

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Speaker 7: penalties and given judges more provisions to do that. We

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Speaker 7: absolutely listen to businesses and that's where you trespass. Reform

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Speaker 7: legislation that have been introduced to Parliament last sittings and

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Speaker 7: we'll part us next thing. That'll make it a lot

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Speaker 7: easier for businesses to issue the notice. It'll make it

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Speaker 7: extreme a lot easier, very easy for police to enforce

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Speaker 7: that notice and remove that constant cycle of telling someone

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Speaker 4: That will absolutely change behavior because I think we need happens.

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Speaker 1: So in the situation where if you've got people that

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Speaker 1: maybe they're from community, or you've got people who are

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Speaker 1: long grasses, let's say, who are known to be long grasses,

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Speaker 1: who are known to not have somewhere to stay, and

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Speaker 1: you issue them with the trespass night, it's like it's

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Speaker 7: Look at it for two ways. You're looking at it

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Speaker 7: for two ways. There has to be a reason to

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Speaker 7: change behavior play. We pay for a significant amount of

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Speaker 7: services that aren't always uptaken. We have to change behavior.

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Speaker 7: We have to create that reason to take that service,

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Speaker 7: and trespass for too long wasn't working for businesses.

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Speaker 4: We have to wait.

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Speaker 7: You know, the requirements of businesses and people to go

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Speaker 7: about and enjoy the ambient life style. We havev in

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Speaker 7: the territory, so trespass is one, but I think council

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Speaker 7: by laws like this is absolutely across the whole community.

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Speaker 7: Everyone has to play their part and council has an

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Speaker 7: abs solute responsibility enforce their bilaws camping, illegal camping bilaws.

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Speaker 7: They're not doing that at the moment. Police then can't

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Speaker 7: issue the artists to move on because it's not their job.

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Speaker 7: You know, they have their job to do. Everyone needs

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Speaker 7: to do their bus.

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Speaker 1: So you reckon. The council needs to move people on

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Speaker 1: if they're drinking.

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Speaker 7: Legal camping so you can't camp in a public place

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Speaker 7: between periods of darkness and or sunset sunrise. I'd just

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Speaker 7: like to see them put more effort into that as

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Speaker 7: opposed to actually.

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Speaker 1: See This morning, I was driving home from the gym

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Speaker 1: at about I reckon. It was five forty five and

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Speaker 1: there was council in Stuart Park area. There was actually

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Speaker 1: council vehicles. They're moving people along who are sleeping. They're

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Speaker 1: actually there waking them up and moving them along.

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Speaker 7: That's because Mark Mona has a really good local member

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Speaker 7: and he's written a council to get them to start

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Speaker 7: enforcing it. The problem is they've only got two They've

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Speaker 6: But the problem with that then is that the issue

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Speaker 7: It does, yes, if you don't have the right service.

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Speaker 7: We've got Larockie Nation, We've got all their outreach teams.

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Speaker 7: They should be going together like we're doing in the

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Speaker 7: Casarina pre single with the Social Law Response Team. I mean,

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Speaker 7: if you're good to see Council involved in that initiative

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Speaker 7: and the other government agencies, but they're not.

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Speaker 5: It's more than just the people that are sleeping in

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Speaker 5: these peace like I mean, the assaults on workers and

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Speaker 5: just like the crime that happens even during the day,

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Speaker 5: they're not asleep at that time. You know, this government

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Speaker 5: continues to not have those clear and immediate consequences and

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Speaker 5: that message gets spread around and that's why territories just

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Speaker 5: don't have any conture.

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Speaker 1: There's a couple of examples that I actually just want

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Speaker 1: let me know that they've actually put in some massive

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Speaker 1: men absolutely so that people can no longer sort of

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Speaker 1: ram raid those bottle shops. We also spoke to the

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Speaker 1: having I can't remember exactly how it's described, but essentially

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Speaker 1: they would only go in later in the evening where

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Speaker 1: they are like a spike that comes up and punctures

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Speaker 1: someone's tires if they do try to ram raid that business.

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Speaker 1: So there are two of the very big measures that

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Speaker 1: are being taken, but just on the bottle shops as well.

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Speaker 1: There is a lot of vision going around at this point.

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Speaker 1: I've been sent vision from people who work in bottle

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Speaker 1: shops also where people are absolutely helping themselves to alcohol.

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Speaker 1: You know, business is at an absolute loss as to

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Speaker 1: what to do as staff are being threatened by well,

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Speaker 1: you know, with poles with knives, with I've seen vision

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Speaker 3: Star pikets and a star picket. Its normal uses quite benign,

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Speaker 3: hands on grog, it becomes a lethal weapon and it's

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Speaker 3: just wrong. You're right, Katie, there is has been vision

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Speaker 3: on social media and I saw one. I think it

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Speaker 3: just I can't have no words to describe. They are

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Speaker 3: walking in, grabbing boozs and walking out and not even

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Speaker 3: But I mean the audacity. Now, these people are not dumb.

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Speaker 3: They are well connected through social media and their telephones

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Speaker 3: and it will go through Catherine Tenant and Nails and

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Speaker 3: everywhere else. Just walk into a pub, walk into a

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Speaker 3: to stop you. Well, is just lawlessness.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'd spoken to Alex Bruce about this last week

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Speaker 1: because I've actually had a number of people that work

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Speaker 1: know that there is people going there, they're threatening staff,

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Speaker 1: they are acting in a very menacing way, and that

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Speaker 1: it's reached a point where the staff have been told

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Speaker 1: hurt yourself. Now, this is not anti social behavior and

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Speaker 1: I know that there's a few different things that we're

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Speaker 1: dealing with here, but this is very much criminal behavior.

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Speaker 1: But Kisier, I reckon you hit the nail on the

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Speaker 1: head there. It's a sense of lawlessness where you go

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Speaker 1: like it's just I mean, I know, Brent, even while

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming even you can't sort of argue that it's

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Speaker 1: totally unacceptable and it just should not.

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Speaker 7: Be r that it's unaccepted, right, but you don't write

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Speaker 7: anything about it. I'll let you talk in two seconds,

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Speaker 7: and you're can have the air for them. The reality

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Speaker 7: is you're right, it's criminal what happened there, and those

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Speaker 7: people walked in. I'm led to believe that police know

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Speaker 7: who they are and very surely they'll be apprehended. I've

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Speaker 7: seen the footage myself. It was disgusting. They literally blatantly

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Speaker 7: walked in and took stuff out the fridge and they

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Speaker 7: had no fear. But I'm sure when they front the judges,

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Speaker 7: they'll have some fear.

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Speaker 1: It's not an isolated incident, make that very clear. But

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Speaker 1: I also want to make it very clear that is

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Speaker 1: not an isolated incident what.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about. I'm just saying that one I watch.

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Speaker 6: And it's not just even that that starting point of

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Speaker 6: aftermath of the impact of that alcohol being so a

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Speaker 6: police at that point, some people ask of you know,

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Speaker 6: when they're helping themselves, Well, we've heard so often that

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Speaker 7: I absolutely agree with you that they are busy of

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Speaker 4: We're never going to stop crime, We're never going to

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Speaker 1: To compete if the council moves people on early in

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Speaker 7: That's I think they need to work with police actively.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what's going to happen. They'll pass them

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Speaker 3: It's so like when people have problem dogs, where do

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Speaker 3: We don't want the problem.

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Speaker 1: And the whole point is that if you think that

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's absolutely My point is that everyone has to

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Speaker 7: through Department of Health. We have all these services. There

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Speaker 7: has to be a reason to force that change, to

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Speaker 7: And police have been doing a lot of heavy lifting.

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Speaker 7: We need to support them.

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Speaker 1: And so I mean, do we need to get back

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Speaker 7: Well We've got a liquoraic review coming up, and I

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Speaker 4: What I would say is the two kilometer will. Everyone

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Speaker 7: It's still illegal to drink anywhere in the city, anywhere

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Speaker 1: I'm going to call you up there because I've actually

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Speaker 7: So I originally thought that they were doing illegal stuff

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Speaker 4: I still call it in and police will come and

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Speaker 1: That's all right for the kids to be saying catching

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Do you call that anti social behavioral behavior?

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Speaker 1: You're okay with that happening.

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Speaker 4: I just said, I call it and every time I

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Speaker 1: It's happening just at your office.

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Speaker 4: It happens everywhere in the city, and it does happen

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Speaker 1: But so this is the kind of thing that I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about where you know, there's an excuse for sort

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Speaker 1: of everything, Well, there's a reason for everything, rather than

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Speaker 1: a how the hell do we change what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Because nobody is happy with what is happening. Pressure around

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Speaker 5: I mean, we have a law maker law which is Parliament,

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Speaker 2: We'll deal with it.

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Speaker 5: We'll give you extra money to strengthen your windows instead

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Speaker 1: We'll get the counsel to move more in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Right, police step up even more as an opportunity, need.

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Speaker 1: To up finds or something.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I've just I've been told that the failure

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Speaker 1: It's been lowered to one hundred and ten.

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Speaker 7: Serious, I didn't know that. But I'm happy to look

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Speaker 1: Tells, but you're the government actually sort out what's going on,

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Speaker 1: because honestly, you guys are so focused on what they

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Speaker 1: People are so a to you. The community is saying

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Speaker 1: they've had enough excuses, Like the dead said, over hearing

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Speaker 1: the excuses and the same stuff every week. Jesu is

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Speaker 3: Hand up to the microphone, Katie, we do know this

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Speaker 3: poor station is so poor. I'm going to write to

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Speaker 3: them canny this. Clearly the bottle shops are a target

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Speaker 3: because bottle shops have booze, all right, and they want

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Speaker 3: to get their hands on booze. But this is not

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Speaker 3: They're going to walk into shops. I don't know the

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Speaker 3: The staff will not do anything because of the safety

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Speaker 1: Have just received a message as well from somebody who

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Speaker 7: So there's two things to the bottle shop stuff. Recently,

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Speaker 7: but there's been a lot more activity in perhap you

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Speaker 7: can't buy alcohol without an address in the electorate.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's still people drinking around the place.

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Speaker 4: Then I'm about to get to that next point.

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Speaker 7: Secondary supply is an issue and police are targeting that

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Speaker 7: is very it's an illegal substance. They're selling behind closed

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Speaker 7: But you asked me what we're doing in terms of legislation,

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Speaker 4: We add it aggravating it.

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Speaker 1: So say that again, so I got reduced.

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Speaker 7: Threshold, so you had to had to be over a

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Speaker 4: We reduced it to five hundred.

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Speaker 7: All of this has come on the back end of

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Speaker 7: what Triedent and those guys are doing in the property

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Speaker 7: that go in company tools.

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Speaker 4: Of the trade. You going to the public with a tool.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think it's more around property offenses because the

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Speaker 7: Proper Offense Bill, but tools of the trade, so you

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Speaker 7: could say something. I know what that would be if

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Speaker 7: definition for you. Come back, Caddie, and then trespass you know,

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Speaker 7: I'm hoping the seal up and looking across will actually

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Speaker 7: front to judge and there is a fine associated with that.

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Speaker 4: And if it continues, their imprisonment associated.

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Speaker 1: With that legacy reckon people are going to pay that fine.

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Speaker 7: Oh this is my personal opinion. I don't agree with fines.

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Speaker 7: I think that don't change behavior. What does change behavior

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Speaker 3: And I think so that means you want to do

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Speaker 2: Me speeding.

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Speaker 7: Did you speak? I get parking finds a bit, so

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Speaker 7: we can move parking finds. That would be great, But

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Speaker 7: I mean, that's what we're doing, Katie. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: coke cans at them, doing all sorts of you know,

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Speaker 1: disgusting behavior to a business that is just trying to

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Speaker 1: operate during daylight hours. And I know that the police

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Speaker 1: did go there, is my understanding, and that there were

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Speaker 1: a couple of people that were charged. But the point

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Speaker 1: is that it's not stopping, it's not getting better, and

445
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Speaker 1: everybody's feeling really fed up and unsure what to do

446
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Speaker 1: or what to say to try and get some change

447
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Speaker 1: and to make sure that the government's listening.

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Speaker 6: And I think a lot of people up here, you know,

449
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Speaker 6: watching Alice Springs, watching Catherine, watching Tenant Creek and expecting

450
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Speaker 6: that things are going to get up to that level

451
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Speaker 6: soon enough.

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, people aren't feeling safe when they're going.

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Speaker 6: You talked about the issues at Wilworth's in the CBD,

455
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Speaker 6: that people don't feel safe going there of en afternoon

456
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Speaker 6: because of people loitering around there and the issues associated

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Speaker 6: with that. So many of the elements of those that

458
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Speaker 6: you mentioned, Brent involved the police. But we've heard so

459
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Speaker 6: often that the police are so busy dealing with other

460
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Speaker 6: issues that a lot of the occasions, as we've seen

461
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Speaker 6: in that property Council survey, those businesses don't report to

462
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Speaker 6: police because they don't rock up, because they're busy doing

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Speaker 6: other things. They can't because of insurance premiums and all

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Speaker 6: that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 7: So we're treating the outcome, though, we're going back to police,

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Speaker 7: and police are doing everything they can I think exactly right.

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Speaker 6: I feel the result though, so they feel like they

468
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Speaker 6: can't do it.

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Speaker 1: All and look we will get to that in just

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Speaker 1: a moment. About the resourcing very clear.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to add to that.

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Speaker 5: Out in Palmerston, we have a number of bottle shops

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Speaker 5: and supermarkets to sell liquor and they are slowly starting

474
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Speaker 5: to wind back the hours that they trade and it's

475
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Speaker 5: all due to their staff safety. I mean there was

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Speaker 5: a quote from a spokesperson that said our priority is

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Speaker 5: the safety and well being of our team, customers and

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Speaker 5: the community. And really if the files government actually had

479
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Speaker 5: the same priority, then I think a lot of this

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Speaker 5: wouldn't be happening. And we just feel like they've got

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Speaker 5: their priorities all wrong.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to have to take a

483
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Speaker 1: very short break. You are listening to Mix one O

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Speaker 1: four nine's three sixty. It is the week that was

485
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Speaker 1: and we are brought to you by Darwen Masda in Berrima. Now,

486
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Speaker 1: look before we move on and talk about the EBAs

487
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Speaker 1: and the movement on the EBAs and also the needs

488
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Speaker 1: for additional police as we have discussed at different times,

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Speaker 1: I do just want to talk about Alice Springs because

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Speaker 1: it is being reported that break ins of almost halved

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Speaker 1: and domestic violence in Alice Springs has dropped by a

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Speaker 1: third in the one month since alcohol restrictions were reintroduced

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Speaker 1: into the Northern Territory town. Now there had been a

494
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Speaker 1: dramatic decline in criminal activity in Alice Springs is what's

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Speaker 1: been reported since January, when the sale of takeaway alcohol

496
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Speaker 1: was heavily restricted by the Northern Territory government following a

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Speaker 1: national outcry as we all know, and pressure from the

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Speaker 1: alban Ezy government to replace lapsed laws. Now it is

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Speaker 1: being reported that youth disturbances have declined by thirty six

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Speaker 1: point three six percent in February compared to January this year.

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Speaker 1: That's according to internal Northern Territory Police data which has

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Speaker 1: been seen by the NT News. Now, there was also

503
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Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty five unlawful entries across Alan Springs

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Speaker 1: between January two and thirty this year, which dropped to

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Speaker 1: forty five point ninety six percent to one hundred and

506
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Speaker 1: twenty seven incidents in the following month to February twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: Alcohol is a factor and domestic violence was down twenty

508
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Speaker 1: seven point seven percent over the month. Now, I do

509
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Speaker 1: just want to point out because I've already had people

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Speaker 1: message me this morning that while yes, there has been

511
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Speaker 1: a reduction, there is still somebody who's sent through photos

512
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Speaker 1: from overnight of apparently a government location in Alice Springs

513
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Speaker 1: that's been ram rated Territory Families. Was it?

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Speaker 6: It was got a government sign on it on the gate?

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Speaker 1: Goodness me.

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Speaker 6: I mean it's great that there are drops obviously, that

517
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Speaker 6: goes to the calls for restrictions being brought back in.

518
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Speaker 6: Was the right go because needed to be a reprieve

519
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Speaker 6: for residents. But they also can't be forgotten that those

520
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Speaker 6: stats were climbing month or month or month or month

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Speaker 6: the money. Yeah, so while there has been a decent

522
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Speaker 6: drop in some of those areas, it's going back to

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Speaker 6: you know, the starting point or where it was.

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Speaker 1: A few years ago. Yeah, well look that. Sorry, the

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Speaker 1: irony is not lost on me that Territory Families has

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Speaker 1: been ram rated, had their.

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Speaker 5: Gate two cars stolen from the compound. Yeah, right, and

528
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Speaker 5: the gate.

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Speaker 2: Is completely ripped off, so it looks like they've driven

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Speaker 2: the stolen car out of it.

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Speaker 5: Also, Katie, we also have to remember that there's reports

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Speaker 5: out of Mount Eyes or I think you may even

533
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Speaker 5: speak to there, that there's four hundred plus residents from

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Speaker 5: Alice Springs that have moved that have gone there. Yeah,

535
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Speaker 5: so so you know when they come back what happens

536
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Speaker 5: then I think, you know, these things will need to

537
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Speaker 5: be taken into consideration. And the Alice Springs township, they

538
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Speaker 5: may feel like they're having a small kind of reprieve now,

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Speaker 5: but that's not going to larn.

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Speaker 1: They're keen. So Mount os is keen along with towns

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Speaker 1: on and Cans to introduce a b because they have

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Speaker 1: seen people go across the border and they want to

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Speaker 1: make sure that. Then you know there are people actually

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Speaker 1: having to show their license and having to show where

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Speaker 1: they're from to be able to access alcohol.

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Speaker 7: Well, I know there's cross jurisixtional agreements between anti police

547
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Speaker 7: and q Pole because they're so close to each other.

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Speaker 7: I mean a BDR and in Mount Eisen, I wouldn't

549
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Speaker 7: talk on behalf of the queens think goverment, But if

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Speaker 7: they think it's going to work, then obviously we'd absolutely

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Speaker 7: help them in that play. I mean that process and

552
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Speaker 7: getting it done. I mean that data you talk about

553
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Speaker 7: the question of is normal. It's delayed by a couple

554
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Speaker 7: of months, so that I don't necessarily think it's a

555
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Speaker 7: direct reflection of the change. I think we see better

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Speaker 7: number start.

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Speaker 1: To do the commissioner. The commissioner said over the last week.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the iren't seen him say that's fantastic. I mean,

559
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Speaker 7: we had a lot of work to do in our springs.

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Speaker 7: We absolutely do. We have to work with families to

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Speaker 7: make a safe family environment so kids aren't out nighttime.

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Speaker 7: We have to help people get rehabilitated that are addicted

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Speaker 7: to the substance, you know, whether it's alcohol or others.

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Speaker 1: Help the community to be safe.

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Speaker 7: I was just about to get to that. I mean

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Speaker 7: bi secure. We made changes last year. I mean the

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Speaker 7: changes to the bi secure that the things you can buy,

568
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Speaker 7: et cetera, you know, and put in place a one mechanism.

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Speaker 7: At the end of day, we need to be catching

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Speaker 7: people as soon as they do it first and foremost,

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Speaker 7: and then we need to be deterring people from doing

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Speaker 7: it in the first instance.

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Speaker 5: Now, Josh Bergin's just sent me a text, Katie, and

574
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Speaker 5: it says reports are that eight cars stolen over the

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Speaker 5: last two nights.

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Speaker 2: So I mean that's I mean, that's that's not insignificant.

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Speaker 1: Wait, yeah, well look on Also, we are also getting

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Speaker 1: messages and Crystal is onto this to see whether we're

579
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Speaker 1: able to get some information from the Northern Territory Police

580
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Speaker 1: or corrections that we are being told that prisoners have

581
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Speaker 1: escaped from Alice Springs prison overnight. I don't know, Bren,

582
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Speaker 1: have you heard anything about that.

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Speaker 4: It's the first I've heard this morning, but I'm happy

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Speaker 4: to ask you guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll certainly see what we can find out as well.

586
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Speaker 1: But yeah, so eight cars and.

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Speaker 5: We're talking on the back of you know, years of

588
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Speaker 5: neglect from labor. In fact, I have to say Robin

589
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Speaker 5: Lanley's actually just text me as well, but yeah, she

590
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Speaker 5: said there's she said, there's been so much damage as well,

591
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Speaker 5: and again, you know, it's just years of neglects like

592
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Speaker 5: if we just need to make it, you know, clear

593
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Speaker 5: and a bit of consequences. Again, it's the same as

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Speaker 5: the situation we're having in Darwin. I mean, this has

595
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Speaker 5: been happening in Alice Springs for years, and like Kathleen said,

596
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Speaker 5: it's been horrible statistics, building and building and yet nothing

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Speaker 5: happening from the government.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that was really sad that came

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Speaker 1: out actually through the week was the Australia Post Worker

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Speaker 1: and I was not being able to work and them

601
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Speaker 1: having to suspend those those services. But it was just

602
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Speaker 1: terrible to hear that she'd been.

603
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Speaker 3: She'd been threatened with the knife and then something else happened,

604
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Speaker 3: or have been on stress leave and then Rocky roby

605
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Speaker 3: and then yet rocks thrown at her. But I think

606
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Speaker 3: that in itself is a bad thing, without a doubt.

607
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Speaker 3: But I think the fact that Australia Post has taken

608
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Speaker 3: this stand or position obviously to guarantee the safety of

609
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Speaker 3: their staff again, but that's going to impact across the

610
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Speaker 3: broader community for postal services. Now, that's that's the first

611
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Speaker 3: indication of a seriously, seriously troubled town is when you

612
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Speaker 3: get your called Australia Post and the central service of sorts,

613
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Speaker 3: when you have essential services withdrawn and then forcing people

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Speaker 3: to make a different, different decision about you know, whether

615
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Speaker 3: they stay, where they get their mail, what do they do,

616
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Speaker 3: what they don't do. I think it goes back to

617
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Speaker 3: what I've said, it's the lawlessness and you're going to

618
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Speaker 3: see this happen with other agencies. I can't speculate what

619
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Speaker 3: they who they might be, but if Australia Post has

620
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Speaker 3: taken this stand, I can betch a bottom dollar. Other

621
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Speaker 3: businesses and government agencies are going to start to take

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Speaker 3: those kind of decisions.

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Speaker 5: So people are changing their behavior so that they can

624
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Speaker 5: feel safe. Businesses are changing they're operating hours so they

625
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Speaker 5: can feel safe. Services are pulling out of regions so

626
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Speaker 5: that they can keep their staff safe. I mean, we

627
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Speaker 5: can't keep going down this route like this is exactly

628
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Speaker 5: why people are packing up and leaving the territory. They

629
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Speaker 5: just have no confidence that things are going to get better.

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Speaker 1: There has to be some change. Now let's move along

631
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Speaker 1: and let's talk about the fact that we understand that

632
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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police Association Executive has endorsed an EBA

633
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Speaker 1: from the government in principle. Now my understanding is that

634
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Speaker 1: it is on the basis that an independent review into

635
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Speaker 1: police resourcing is conducted. I know, Kathleen that you had

636
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Speaker 1: also spoken yesterday and we are going to catch up

637
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Speaker 1: with Aaron Early from you know, I Voice a little

638
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Speaker 1: bit later next hour. But that corrections are all are

639
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: in a situation where they are nearing that EBA completion. Yep,

640
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: that's right.

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Speaker 6: So it's going to go to a ballot for members.

642
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 6: But United Voice was happier with this offer three percent

643
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 6: and significant improvements to their allowances, which Erin I said

644
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 6: is nine percent injection for them in that first year,

645
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 6: so quite a significant drop jump up there.

646
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Speaker 1: But obviously it's the latest.

647
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Speaker 6: Round of EBAs and there's still many go where are.

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Speaker 1: We finding the money, Brent, that's a question for the

649
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Speaker 1: treasure Yeah, well they'd say the same.

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Speaker 4: I'm a mere backbencher.

651
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Speaker 7: But you know, at the end of the day, I

652
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,719
Speaker 7: think we've committed to go through each one of these

653
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 7: EBA negotiations in negotiating good faith, and as unions should do,

654
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 7: they put pressure on the right places for their members,

655
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Speaker 7: and you know, at the end of the day, the

656
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Speaker 7: members of those unions are our constituents. We want to

657
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Speaker 7: see them get the best outcome for themselves, but we

658
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Speaker 7: also want to make sure we're in a fiscal position

659
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Speaker 7: to be able to continue that going forward, because what

660
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Speaker 7: I don't want to see happen is, regardless of what

661
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 7: governments in we're sitting in a position again we have

662
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Speaker 7: to do a complete fiscal review and start cutting again

663
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Speaker 7: and raining in our spending. We want to go forward

664
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Speaker 7: into the next two decades and grow well.

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Speaker 1: The hard thing was is that the Northern Territory government

666
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Speaker 1: had when Michael Gunner was the Chief Minister, he'd put

667
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Speaker 1: that public service pay freeze in place because obviously we

668
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: didn't have the money for those Well.

669
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Speaker 2: It can't be.

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Speaker 1: But so then the big question is because I don't

671
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Speaker 1: think that we've really grown our own source revenue or

672
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Speaker 1: anything in those last couple of years.

673
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Speaker 3: So I mean, I haven't.

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Speaker 1: And look, Brent, I know that you're not the treasurer,

675
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Speaker 1: so I'm not going to ask that again, but it

676
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Speaker 1: is a serious question. Where is the money coming from, Katie.

677
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Speaker 3: We know that I think the majority of our funding

678
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Speaker 3: I think about eighty five percent coming from federal government

679
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 3: and that.

680
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: Well, they're not paying for public service. That's just that body.

681
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 3: That's the way it is. All the other states get

682
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: a big swag of money for through the commos for

683
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 3: GST revenues as well. But you're quite correct. Our own

684
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Speaker 3: source revenues are from mineral royalties, payroll tax, stamp duty

685
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Speaker 3: pretty much. And if you want more money in the

686
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 3: coffers from own source revenues, then you've got to build

687
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 3: the industry where those buns come from. Now, I've always

688
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: banged on about the mining industry. It's fine to have

689
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: a nice mind down at Adelaide, River Away whatever, call

690
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 3: lit in and all that sort of stuff, but where's the

691
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Speaker 3: next big mine, any major projects. The major minds that

692
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: are contributing to royalties are out at the granites, the

693
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 3: macarth River and gen COO. That's it. And they have

694
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Speaker 3: to make a profit. So that's that part. Stand duty

695
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 3: obviously is about sales of property, purchasing, selling, etc.

696
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: Like that.

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Speaker 3: So if the market's not good for whatever reason, if

698
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Speaker 3: that Property Council survey said people are reluctant to invest

699
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: or to expand their businesses, that's where stamp duty is

700
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: generated from. You know, so and payroll tax. You've got

701
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 3: to be a big employer. So if people are not

702
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: coming to invest here or expand their businesses, they're not

703
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Speaker 3: going to employ more people. You know, we don't get

704
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Speaker 3: the sail. I don't know if you get payroll tax

705
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Speaker 3: from defense, but you know, defense is obviously a big contributor.

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Speaker 3: Shaking your hand. We need to grow our own big business.

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Speaker 1: And I did speak to master Builders yesterday morning as

708
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Speaker 1: well about some of the delays to those defense contracts

709
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Speaker 1: and some of the delays that they are experiencing because

710
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Speaker 1: there is a review underway. So hopefully that money is

711
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Speaker 1: still going to get spent, and we're hoping maybe even

712
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Speaker 1: for more, but nonetheless there is that delay this.

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Speaker 7: Point well at least, and I think the once that

714
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Speaker 7: if they do make all of it public, I would

715
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Speaker 7: suspect they won't make every bit of it public, but

716
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Speaker 7: they will make parts.

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Speaker 4: We'll see significant investment for defense.

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Speaker 7: It's eight point eight percent of our GDP, like it

719
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Speaker 7: is a huge contributor to our economy. Two and a

720
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Speaker 7: half thousand out of Roberts and barracks past their families.

721
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Speaker 7: That's not going away. The strategic nor North is not changing.

722
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Speaker 7: We'll see greater investment from the US and other partner

723
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Speaker 7: nations here through the USFPI arrangements.

724
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Speaker 4: So that's a positive.

725
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Speaker 7: And I mean you've got ara few resource example very

726
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Speaker 7: recently talking about how they're almost going to commence the

727
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Speaker 7: digging phases. I mean, at the end of the day,

728
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Speaker 7: there are significant amount of critical wreath mineral minds that

729
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 7: are looking to get up the biggest problem and barrier

730
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Speaker 7: to those of the off taking range. It's making it

731
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Speaker 7: financially viable to get it to start. State you know,

732
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Speaker 7: and we've got people at Jason's schoolmeaster and when we

733
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Speaker 7: get a new Investment Commissioner, which is very close to happening,

734
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Speaker 7: I know they're going through the process at the moment.

735
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Speaker 7: That's what their job is, facilitate that bring down the

736
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Speaker 7: barriers and engagement.

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Speaker 1: We've struggled to this point. I mean, some of those

738
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: major projects that we obviously had on the burner have

739
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Speaker 1: the fallen through or their long.

740
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Speaker 3: Because I mean, the ship lift is back online and

741
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Speaker 3: I remember talking.

742
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Speaker 1: About that before they had the design and constructor tender

743
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Speaker 1: recorded a bit earlier in the week.

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Speaker 6: Get at part diligence going through Now.

745
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 3: New owners, new partners, all the client steps up and

746
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 3: the client being the anti government. But they've got a

747
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,479
Speaker 3: new owner and a new partners. Got to go through that.

748
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Speaker 3: But the Sea Dragon and the cable one some cable

749
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Speaker 3: huge project project, but also dragon.

750
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Speaker 1: Seed, so.

751
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Speaker 3: Big projects. But also you know, I talked about this

752
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: before about giving the major projects to this which is

753
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 3: just a nice feel good thing quite honestly, but it's

754
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Speaker 3: also meant to expedite the approval processes. But they've sort

755
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Speaker 3: of fallen by the wayside and they may come back

756
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Speaker 3: but I doubt it. So there's got to be other

757
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Speaker 3: major projects come.

758
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Speaker 1: I know the major project it's called gas and the

759
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Speaker 1: beat alone, but I think I don't No one really

760
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Speaker 1: wants to talk about fracking two.

761
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Speaker 4: The Beatlo weren't including those projections.

762
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Speaker 7: So when we've been talking about the major projects that

763
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Speaker 7: come through in that investment pipeline, the Bedloo numbers aren't.

764
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Speaker 7: It aren't necessarily in that because they're not at the

765
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Speaker 7: point where you can say FID for every individual company.

766
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Speaker 7: But there are proponents that are progressing at great speed

767
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Speaker 7: for the Beadloo, and I think the Chief made of

768
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 7: comments very clear, will release that final report with all

769
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Speaker 7: the SHRIBA recommendations, et cetera in the coming And we've had.

770
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Speaker 2: Those budget blowouts to Katie.

771
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Speaker 5: I mean, even Paul Kirby said last week that's everything

772
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 5: is under threat in the Northern Territory on a daily

773
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Speaker 5: basis because of the budget. I mean, who's to have

774
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 5: any confidence that those EBAs are going to be agreed?

775
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Speaker 1: Can I just go back to it, just that EBA,

776
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Speaker 1: just for a second, and certainly with what my understanding

777
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: is with the police EBA. There are a number of

778
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: things that have obviously been agreed to in principle. It

779
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: still needs to go out to the full rank and

780
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: file to vote on that e BA. But one of

781
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: the sticking points from my understanding and from the documentation

782
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: that I have seen, is that the Police Association want

783
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: a review into the Northern Territory police resources.

784
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 3: And so they should. The last review was what we say,

785
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 3: two thousand and fifty ten years ago, and I don't

786
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 3: know whether the recommendations from that review were ever implemented.

787
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 3: I'm going to go back and research.

788
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 6: Remember the one hundred and twenty extra police keys.

789
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: Of police.

790
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Speaker 3: I'd like to know where that number three hundred police

791
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Speaker 3: officers are required, Like I'd like mister small Page to

792
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Speaker 3: come up with some information. I mean, seriously, if three

793
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 3: hundred more police are needed, where did he do his

794
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: research to come up with that number. I'm happy to wait.

795
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 3: I'm happy to find out if it's three hundred because

796
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 3: of research police have done.

797
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: But how can we might need more or less?

798
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 5: Not sure?

799
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: Just of these figures are so nice and round. That's

800
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 3: what I said before, And I know he also mentioned

801
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 3: during the coronial that what is their resources for infrastructure?

802
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 3: You know, like people still working out of sea containers

803
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 3: and things like.

804
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: That five hundred million.

805
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 3: Now after I said probably silver bullets, but I was

806
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: told off the last time that no, they're not in

807
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: of a bullet bensh dilapolated sea containers, shipping containers. So

808
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 3: if if there is information that police have gathered, if

809
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 3: they have done some research to justify these figures, where

810
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 3: is it they.

811
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: Called for an inquiry into this.

812
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 4: Down asked for a parliamentary inquiry. That's not what we've

813
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 4: agreed to. An independent that's what we're saying. So we're

814
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 4: not we don't see a reason for politicians to sit

815
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Speaker 4: down and get plaid.

816
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 6: So if you've agreed to do an independent the letter

817
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 6: that she's.

818
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 7: The letter that she's talking about, the discussion they've had

819
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Speaker 7: is we're not talking about a parliamentary one.

820
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 4: We've been.

821
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 6: That the government is willing to do an independent the government.

822
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 6: I said, not you, because you're not. But you've just

823
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 6: confirmed that the document Katie has said that has called

824
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 6: for an independent review is actually going to happen by

825
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Speaker 6: the government.

826
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Speaker 7: I'll make it very clear. What I'm confirming is discuss

827
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Speaker 7: the paper you've seen. In the discussions they're having around

828
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Speaker 7: doing an inquiry, and it is an independent inquiry, not

829
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Speaker 7: a one done by parliamentary which is what the.

830
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Speaker 1: N CPA has called shut down by the government constantly.

831
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Speaker 1: But the point that I have seen as well from

832
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Speaker 1: the letter that I've seen, is that that would not

833
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Speaker 1: happen twenty twenty four, So that it wouldn't happen this

834
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: independent inquiry into twenty four. Now election enough, I think

835
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: that it should get starting to it. Theirs it could

836
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Speaker 1: take eighteen months, It could take quite a long period.

837
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 7: Of today most urgent, so by the middle of the

838
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 7: year there will be an electronic shift monitoring system. At

839
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 7: the moment, all their rostering is done manually, it's not

840
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 7: done electronically. That will give us an understanding, like you said, Keyser,

841
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 7: where all the resource is going, how the overtime is

842
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 7: playing out. You need a start state to do any

843
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 7: type of inquiry and review. So the first part of that,

844
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 7: you could say, will be the which we agreed to

845
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 7: to the NTPA in the last election, is the electronic

846
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 7: shift system that will tell us exactly where every resource is,

847
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 7: how many people are on leave, how many people are

848
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 7: on long term leave, holidays, et cetera.

849
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Speaker 4: You know, I haven't seen the letter, Katie.

850
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Speaker 7: But if it is saying twenty twenty four, well then

851
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 7: you know, I'd hope and I think it'd be in

852
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 7: everyone's best interest to have that happen before the election.

853
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Good, so you reckon it needs stuff from a.

854
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 7: Personal point of view, you know, and I can't talk

855
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 7: them behre for the caucus and that I would be pushing.

856
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 7: Why that is straight politics if you pushing it out,

857
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 7: and that's not what I want to see. You know.

858
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 7: I've come from a background where guys you know, go

859
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 7: out every day and put themselves on line. If the

860
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 7: if we've committed to it, and I haven't seen the letter,

861
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 7: then I would love to see that happened.

862
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 4: Before the election.

863
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: But will you push to that?

864
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 4: Will you push personally?

865
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 7: I will, you know, from from a personal point of view.

866
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 7: But again, no one's given me the insight. I haven't

867
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 7: seen the letter, right, so I'm not the minister credit here.

868
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 7: You've got a copy of that, but I'm had on.

869
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Speaker 1: You've got a lot of power here, Jock inside, I

870
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: don't see.

871
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 3: Can I just copy? When the Police Association says they've

872
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: agreed in principle to the agreement with.

873
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: And look there's a number of recommendations.

874
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 3: What in principle means they've agreed to it subject to

875
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: terms and conditions.

876
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: So subject to the police members agreed agreed. Yeah, but

877
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: if it's.

878
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 3: Got in there, if it's got in that agreement, the

879
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 3: whole package, apart from just what police people should get

880
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 3: or will get, then if that reviews in there, that

881
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: reviews in there. So I think we're going to have

882
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: to ask the government exactly what is this independent review

883
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 3: that you've agreed to in principle?

884
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: Well, and look, yes, it's the Police Association Executive. They

885
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: are considering, you know, they're obviously considering a letter of

886
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: offer and that they that there needs to be an

887
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: exchanging of letters to undertake the independent review into police resourcing.

888
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 4: But this is exactly the point though that who said,

889
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 4: I think it was you said, well, who's seen it?

890
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 4: How has it seemed?

891
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 7: Well, it's contra it's EBA negotiations done between the Office

892
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 7: of Public Employment, not necessarily the Minister of the Room

893
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 7: and the NTPA. Like for all intensive purposes, you treat

894
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 7: it commercially like not everyone's going to know. It will

895
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 7: go to the members, they'll get a ballot, you know,

896
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 7: like you said, he's agreed in principle. I'm glad that

897
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 7: we've actually got some principal agreements. That's a good start.

898
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 7: You know. It means everyone's a their table when they're talking,

899
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 7: and we'll see how it plays out. But I've made

900
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 7: very clear my personal point on this.

901
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: And well, and you know, I actually think, like I

902
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: think that this needs to happen sooner rather than later,

903
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: because let's be really blunt here, we've got the community

904
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: saying they don't feel like there's enough police. You've got

905
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: the police force saying they do not feel as though

906
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: there's enough of them, and then you've got you know,

907
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: Murray small Page, so they need three hundred more. That's yeah,

908
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: during that corona. So I do think that we're at

909
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: a point where we do need to actually do that

910
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: work and to determine exactly what's required, Katie.

911
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 3: I and maybe I have to do a question on notice.

912
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 3: I would like to know exactly how many police officers

913
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 3: we have here in the Northern thirty how many are

914
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 3: employed and on the books, whether they're on sick leave, personally, workers,

915
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 3: comp auxiliaries, whatever, in the office, on the beat. How

916
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 3: many police officers do we actually have and I'm sure

917
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 3: there's someone out there listening that could tell me. But

918
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 3: if I have to do a question I noticed them,

919
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 3: that's what I'll do because that's what I get asked

920
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: on my constituents.

921
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: We're told.

922
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: I think it was Paul McCue, the Police Association Fellows

923
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 3: said that about a couple of hundred or so are on.

924
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: Since I know the Chief Minister visited yes on this show.

925
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: People. If I was an employer and I had one

926
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 3: hundred of my staff on sick leave, I should be

927
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 3: run out of town. That's just outrageous to have that

928
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 3: many police of an employer on sick leave. Now, the

929
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 3: sicklyve is that broad term which covers sick because you're

930
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 3: physically sick for whatever, but I know it also covers

931
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 3: mental stress leave and all that sort of stuff. So

932
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Speaker 3: if you had one hundred of your employees, that's let's

933
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 3: say there's five hundred cops, So that's a fifth of

934
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 3: your workforce on sick leave. There's seriously something wrong with

935
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: your employees.

936
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 6: Well, we're seeing in those police surveys of how low

937
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 6: morale is, so it probably doesn't come as much as

938
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 6: the prise of how many and how much work they

939
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 6: were expected to do during COVID as well.

940
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 5: Hearing reports out of some of our towns that their

941
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 5: police are being put out into those areas where they're

942
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 5: brand new recruits and there might be say two brand

943
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 5: new recruits without any senior supervisors. I mean that's going

944
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 5: to have a detrimental impact as well. So I think this, Yeah,

945
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 5: there absolutely needs to be an inquiry into policing. We

946
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 5: have tried five times in Parliament to call the Parliamentary

947
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 5: inquiry and there's nothing wrong with having a select committee.

948
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: They call it keesy. You can even vouch for this.

949
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 5: There were several select committees looking into really serious issues

950
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 5: in the Northern Territory before this government was elected in

951
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 5: twenty twenty, and we have not seen any of them

952
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 5: been accepted by any member of the CELP or any

953
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 5: member of the Independence.

954
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:17,959
Speaker 2: The Member for Malca got rich.

955
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 4: Education by the Seal Select Committee.

956
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, not excepted as parliament by the AOP.

957
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 5: I'm saying the SEALP put them forward to Dependence, put

958
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 5: them forward and Labor voted down because they don't want

959
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 5: to listen to anybody else except themselves, and that is

960
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 5: why territories just don't have any confidence in them.

961
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 4: I don't think that's one hundred cent true.

962
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: Clearly we haven't accept any of them. You haven't yet.

963
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 7: Hold on, you're asking for parliamentary inquiry. That's not I

964
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 7: don't agree that it's going to get the Act. And

965
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 7: the best inquiry that we can do is an independent

966
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 7: one where the NTI. It's not done by politicians. We

967
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 7: don't need to see that inquiry on the police front. Yeah,

968
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 7: I don't think it helps any to be honesty.

969
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 6: To have independent roue for months now, opportunities for the

970
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 6: Minister to come out and launched that review, regardless of.

971
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 7: To be completely The one thing that needs to happen

972
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 7: first before any of this starts, because it's going to

973
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 7: give us another great starting point is that we need

974
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 7: to see the outcome of the coronial like you can't.

975
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: I don't think you need to when it comes to

976
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: resourcing of the police and whether you've got enough police

977
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: or not. And I think you'd be hard pressed to

978
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: get the community to agree with that.

979
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 3: You know, Okay, can I detect from my friend here

980
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: on the left that the government is not my.

981
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: Comrade here on the left and.

982
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 3: My comrade on the left here, do I detect that

983
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: the government is not doing anything because they're waiting for

984
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 3: the outcome of the coronial inquiry. A corona is meant

985
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 3: to determine how and what happened and why that coronals

986
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 3: are going on all the time in this town. Sixty

987
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 3: are they putting things on hold because.

988
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: After it's finished, we are going to have to take

989
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: a very short break. I do apologize, a very quick

990
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: break and we can come back and discuss more in

991
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: just a couple of moments. You are listening to Mix

992
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: one O four to nine. It is the week that

993
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: was proudly brought to you by Darwin Masda Behrama. If

994
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: you have just joined us, we've got Brent Potter, Keesier Puric,

995
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: Kathleen Gaizola and Marie Clare Boothby in the studio. Now

996
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: we know that the Reserve Bank of Australia raised interest

997
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: rates for a record tenth consecutive month, inflicting further pain

998
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: on households as it looks to wrestle control of three

999
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 1: decade high inflation. There is no doubt that it's having

1000
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 1: a massive impact for a lot of people around Australia.

1001
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: But we spoke to St Vincent de Paul's Society earlier

1002
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 1: in the week here in the territory, and their CEO

1003
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: had told us that there's been a thirty percent increase

1004
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: in demand for their services. Katie it.

1005
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 3: Yes, the Reserve Bank raised it again this week. Was

1006
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: it last week?

1007
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: This week? This week? Yeah?

1008
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 3: And interesting that I was talking to a young mother

1009
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 3: yesterday and its two young tackers under three or whatever,

1010
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 3: and she was telling me that they're cutting back on

1011
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 3: eating me. Yeah, she's got the cost of the babies

1012
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 3: and that's fine. And I said, I, you've got dogs

1013
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 3: and pets, Yeah, got them too, so you know so,

1014
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 3: and she said, I'm quite happy to do a bit

1015
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 3: of vegetarian kind of meals, lots of meat, but they

1016
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: have meat mostly on the weekend. Now, this woman and

1017
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 3: her husband have got reasonably well paying job. She's on

1018
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 3: maternity leave, and I've heard this similar kind of things

1019
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: from people. Now, this is just little weed, dar And

1020
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 3: I tried to convince it that to buy meat from

1021
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 3: a butcher, which is cheaper than buying it in the supermarket,

1022
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 3: because it is people out there listening to me. It

1023
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 3: is cheaper per kilogram, cheap in a butcher. But you know,

1024
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 3: it's people are going to start to cut back. And

1025
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 3: what concerns me when things get really tired is people

1026
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 3: cut back on things that I think they shouldn't cut

1027
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: back on. And one of the things they cut back

1028
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 3: on is insurance because you can't see anything. And I'm

1029
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: talking about household insurance, car insurance, health insurance.

1030
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: So but then times get tough and you need it tough.

1031
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: And something goes wrong like their floods, you know in

1032
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 3: our town or Catherine or something where things get flooded.

1033
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 3: So that's what concerns me. And I know supermarkets and

1034
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 3: all the shops with the you know, the self food

1035
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 3: and groceries, you know, try and do their bit and

1036
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 3: have specials and all that sort of stuff. But I

1037
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 3: think sadly people are just going to have to pull

1038
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: in their belts more. And as tough as that is,

1039
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 3: I think you're going to see like the summits into

1040
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 3: poor things and and those kind of people like out

1041
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 3: and our rulier. There's the Bush Baptist Church. They do

1042
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: food parcels every week in the rule Are plus they

1043
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 3: got out to America once a week, I think, and

1044
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 3: I think they still go to Berry Springs though demands

1045
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 3: on those services are increasing, but that then passes back

1046
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 3: to all the food outlets because now they get their

1047
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 3: produce from somewhere, and that's it's tough.

1048
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: It is expensive and food shopping is ridiculous. Like, honestly,

1049
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: it's so expensive to buy groceries at the moment.

1050
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 4: Kids, it's huge.

1051
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: For yeah, it is massive.

1052
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: One case, it's so nice out there.

1053
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,479
Speaker 5: About how like if we compare ourselves to other parts

1054
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 5: of the nation, because a lot of people will say

1055
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 5: to me, oh, I know it's expensive, but it feels

1056
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 5: like everywhere is the same and it wouldn't be any different.

1057
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 2: But we know here and this is an.

1058
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 5: Anti cost report, that housing is fifteen point nine percent here,

1059
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 5: you know, higher and nationally only four percent. So you

1060
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 5: can see that's a huge difference when you're in the territory.

1061
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 5: Transport cost is sixteen percent higher here compared to twelve

1062
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 5: point five nationally. And that's also the other reason why

1063
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 5: when we're out in our communities and we're talking to people,

1064
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 5: they're like, it's just so expensive to live here. We're

1065
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 5: going to look to see if we can get a

1066
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 5: job somewhere else and move our family somewhere else, which

1067
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 5: is a real shame.

1068
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: We don't want to be losing people. One of the

1069
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: other things though, that happened this week is their coach

1070
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: at the Council of the Aging here in the Northern Territory,

1071
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: they were calling for the Northern Territory government. They said

1072
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: that obviously they're pleas that there is an increase to

1073
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: the pension allow and allowance payments, although it's bloody bugger

1074
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: all really when you look at it, but they are

1075
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: also really calling for there to be for the Northern

1076
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: Territory government to help older territories by indexing the Seniors

1077
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: Recognition Scheme to the consumer price index and raising it

1078
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: to six hundred dollars as well, was my understanding. So

1079
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: they're just calling for it to go up a bit.

1080
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: I don't know whether that's something that the government would

1081
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: look at, but I do. I think there's about twenty

1082
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: thousand seniors on that scheme and you know, they contribute

1083
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: a lot to the Northern Territory in terms of helping

1084
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: us raise our kids. They help with like so much realistically,

1085
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: and some of them are doing it really tough at

1086
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: the moment. I don't know whether that's something that the

1087
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: government would look at.

1088
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, we've got about fifteen thousand seniors and

1089
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 7: it's currently five hundred dollars. And listen, it's a massive

1090
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 7: We can always do more, right, We can absolutely always

1091
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Speaker 7: do more. The problem we got is when government spends

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Speaker 7: it increases on inflation, which then obviously when the Reserve

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Speaker 7: Bank trying their one lever, the one blunt object they

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Speaker 7: use as interest rates, which only affects one third of

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Speaker 7: austrainants you know, the other thirds investors and then renters.

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Speaker 7: You know, So if we start spending more money and

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Speaker 7: being a bit more liberal with our money, we start

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Speaker 7: increasing inflation. I don't think that's going to achieve the

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Speaker 7: outcome anyone wants. There obviously are things we have to

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Speaker 7: spend money on which contribute to inflation, no doubt, But

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Speaker 7: I think at the moment we're finding a good balance.

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Speaker 4: We have other things.

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Speaker 7: You know, there's twelve hundred dollars per dou for electricity

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Speaker 7: that the NT senior schemes give eight hundred dollars for water.

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Speaker 7: You know, we're looking at two hundred dollars for their rates,

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Speaker 7: and that's about half your rates. So not half your rates,

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Speaker 7: some huge rates, but depending on where you live. And

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Speaker 7: then you've got another one hundred and fifty four dollars

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Speaker 7: for vehicle registration.

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Speaker 4: We can do more.

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Speaker 7: I think the best thing we can do at this

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Speaker 7: point is just sort of try to reduce inflation and

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Speaker 7: government level wherever we can, and that is being very

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Speaker 7: considering what we're spending.

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Speaker 4: Ultimately, we are we're going to have.

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Speaker 1: To take a very short break. We are fast running

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Speaker 1: out of time. You're listening to mix one oh four

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Speaker 1: nine's three sixty. Just a very quick update that I

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Speaker 1: have received though our Northern Territory Police say they did

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Speaker 1: receive a report of prisoners absconding from the Alice Springs

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Speaker 1: Correctional Facility last night. Correction staff handled the situation and

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Speaker 1: there was no requirement for police involvement. So that is

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Speaker 1: what we've been told this morning by the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Police in relation to those sconders.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, did you have some further so they never actually

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Speaker 4: got outside.

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Speaker 7: Just said, from what I'm told, five escape is in

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Speaker 7: the accommodation block, but they didn't actually breach the prison

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Speaker 7: fence and the prison officers and guards did a great job.

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Speaker 1: Well, good, well done. Now we're going to take a

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Speaker 1: very quick break. You're listening to Mix in the studio

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Speaker 1: with us this morning, we've got Maury Claire Booth by,

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Speaker 1: Kathleen Gazola, Keisier Purick and Brent Potter. It's been a

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Speaker 1: busy one. Thank you all so much for your company

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Speaker 1: this morning. Mary Claire, thanks as always for joining us.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Katie, and I just want to say on

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Speaker 5: Sunday the Parmesan Magpies have their junior presentation for the

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Speaker 5: wrap up of the season. Big thank you to all

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Speaker 5: the volunteers and the parents who helped out all season.

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Speaker 5: It's been fabulous. My little nine year old is the

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Speaker 5: goal umpire every.

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Speaker 3: Every weekend in the junior games, which.

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Speaker 2: Is really fabulous. He's got to see people down there.

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Speaker 1: It's really good to see the young ones get involved,

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Speaker 1: even in the officiating and the umpirings and stuff I

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Speaker 1: really like to see. Absolutely. Kathleen Gazola, thank you and

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Speaker 1: a big launch of your podcast this week. It's has

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Speaker 1: been amazing.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for.

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Speaker 3: Top up like you should do one with people who

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Speaker 3: have dogs, Dodgers children.

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Speaker 4: My podcast.

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Speaker 1: That's Brent's launching.

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Speaker 2: Post Politics Casy.

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Speaker 5: If you're.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Katie and Big.

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Speaker 7: The Law Times and the Wins last week and for

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Speaker 7: the men's and women's Premier League going in the finals.

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Speaker 1: This is our year, yeah, it's and the Gwyn and

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Speaker 1: Nichols Medal obviously being presented this Sunday night as well,

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Speaker 1: so it should be a big one. Thank you all

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Speaker 1: so much for your company this morning. We'll catch up

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Speaker 1: very soon.