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Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, US mummy blogger Ruby Frankie

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Speaker 1: faces caught after being charged with six counts of aggravated

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Speaker 1: child abuse, Roxy Jusenko, Singapore storage issues, the abusive message

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Speaker 1: Ash Binds copped from a skincare brand, and why the

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Speaker 1: Hembros reality show never went to air. Hello, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest influencer and

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Speaker 1: pop culture news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torbert and

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Speaker 1: I have had a patient in my care for the

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Speaker 1: past twenty four hours. It's been my fiance because yesterday

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Speaker 1: he got his wisdom teeth taken out, and this was

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Speaker 1: a big deal for him. It was actually quite a

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Speaker 1: serious operation because he had impacted wisdom teeth they were

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Speaker 1: growing in the wrong direction.

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Speaker 2: I think we were.

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Speaker 1: All interested to see how Brandon actually reacted when he

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Speaker 1: was coming out of the anesthesia.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because he.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't drink, so he hates being out of control. And

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Speaker 1: it was quite funny because the nurses told him that

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Speaker 1: he was very, very talkative, and he apparently put in

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Speaker 1: an electric wheelchair and he pretended to toot at all

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Speaker 1: of the nurses and told them he was going to

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Speaker 1: run them over. He then also proceeded to ask them

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Speaker 1: if they were going to try and clone him from

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Speaker 1: his wisdom teeth, so it was a bit of an

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Speaker 1: embarrassing moment for him. I wish the nurses had captured

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Speaker 1: that on camera, but I know they're really funny about

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Speaker 1: filming patients when they've just come out. I was explicitly

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Speaker 1: told by him under no circumstances was I to film him.

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Speaker 1: He will not like me mentioning this on the podcast either,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I have made so much jelly. I feel

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Speaker 1: like her mom.

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Speaker 2: I've got all these vats of jelly in the fridge.

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Speaker 1: He's not allowed to have anything that's warm for the

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Speaker 1: next couple of days, and he's taking it very seriously.

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Speaker 1: So you've got vats of jelly for Brandon and bagfuls of.

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Speaker 2: Carrots for yourself. Why do I have the carts?

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Speaker 1: You were telling me that you have been seeing the

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Speaker 1: latest TikTok trend where everyone is eating three carrots a

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Speaker 1: day to try and get this natural ten. It's everywhere,

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Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, that's a load of shit. But

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Speaker 1: then I saw a dietitian saying, actually it's true. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's actually down to something called Beta carroten and was TikToker.

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Speaker 1: Isabelle Lux who got everyone onto this trend. She shared

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Speaker 1: a video that has over three million views and spoke

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Speaker 1: about how she eats three carrots a day. She said

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Speaker 1: it wasn't actually to initially get a ten though. She

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Speaker 1: was eating up to ten carrots a day just because

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Speaker 1: she liked carrots, and.

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Speaker 2: It was like a side effect.

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Speaker 1: However, she had to go to the doctor and the

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Speaker 1: doctor's like, you need to cut it down to three.

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Speaker 2: Because it's making you sick.

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Speaker 1: See this happened at my old work.

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Speaker 2: A girl actually did the same thing.

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Speaker 1: She ate so many carrots and everyone was like, does

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Speaker 1: she have jaundice? Yeah, you actually can start to look

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Speaker 1: a strange shade of orange. Look, this would have saved

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Speaker 1: me a lot of money on fake tan. I'm just

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Speaker 1: putting it out there. Maybe I've got to beat the

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Speaker 1: guinea pig. Maybe I tried two a day? Or is

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Speaker 1: that I actually saw beck Lomas doing it. She cracked

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Speaker 1: me up, and she hates carrots. I love carrots. I

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Speaker 1: love who to carrot with hamas. I think this could

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Speaker 1: work quite well. Why did you?

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Speaker 2: Of course that meant on me? I told you I

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Speaker 2: didn't want the man what I didn't believe you? How

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Speaker 2: could you not believe me?

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Speaker 3: But who's going to turn down a junior men.

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Speaker 1: We finally know why the Hembro's reality show never went

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Speaker 1: to air, and it's quite crazy if there has been

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Speaker 1: so much hype around this show since twenty eighteen. That

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Speaker 1: was when rumors first started circulating that they were going

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Speaker 1: to have their own show. Yeah, and everyone was saying

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Speaker 1: that it was going to be like the Australian Kardashians and

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Speaker 1: the next big thing, But all of a sudden, it

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Speaker 1: just went quiet. I think ever since Tammy was stretched

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Speaker 1: out of Kylie Jenna's twenty first birthday party, the media

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Speaker 1: have been making comparisons between the two families. I think

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Speaker 1: it's because they're large families, there's half siblings involved, and

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Speaker 1: there's also a lot of drama always surrounding them. So

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Speaker 1: I think this is why everyone thought this would be

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Speaker 1: such an epic show. And there was confirmation that this

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Speaker 1: show was filming in early twenty twenty one, so a

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Speaker 1: number of the sisters shared behind the scenes snaps of

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Speaker 1: the camera crews in their houses, and Tammy's boyfriend at

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Speaker 1: the time, Matt Paul, even shared a photo so it

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Speaker 1: was clear he was supposed to be in this show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I remember that everyone was waiting to see Tammy

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Speaker 1: and Matt's proposal because it appeared that had been filmed,

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Speaker 1: and when they broke up, that was when I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we're never ever going to see any flage. Well, this week,

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Speaker 1: Emily revealed that they actually pulled the pin on the

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Speaker 1: Here's what Emily said.

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Speaker 4: Refilmed a pilot with the network. I won't say just

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Speaker 4: in case it's in our agreement for not to mention

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Speaker 4: who was with but they just made us look like,

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Speaker 4: oh my god, it just looks so bad, like just

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Speaker 4: fake kind of drama. So yeah, we did not go

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Speaker 4: ahead with that. I feel like my family we have

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Speaker 4: authentic drama and problems that are really relatable, and I

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Speaker 4: don't know, I don't feel like we needed the fake

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Speaker 1: Emily didn't name the network or the production company, but

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Speaker 1: I would love to know who was behind it and

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Speaker 1: whether they specialize in Australian reality TV, because this is

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Speaker 1: something I've been feeling for a while about local reality TV.

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Speaker 1: It is always so over the top dramatized and I

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Speaker 1: just feel like it has an amateur feeling to it

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Speaker 1: and crap casting. In this case, they had such great

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Speaker 1: the old school Keeping Up with the Kardashians, where they

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Speaker 1: had some of those fake storylines, and we've seen with

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Speaker 1: the New Kardashians how it's been shot. It's more of

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Speaker 1: that doco style and they're able to follow real parts

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Speaker 1: of their life. I'm also surprised that they were able

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Speaker 1: to say after they filmed it or nut, we don't

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Speaker 1: want to have it, and within the contract it must

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Speaker 1: have stipulated that they needed final approval. I get where

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Speaker 1: you're coming from, but I do want to stick up

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Speaker 1: for Australian reality TV because there are some great shows.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking Maths, Luks, Listing Housewives. They are all top

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Speaker 1: quality Australian productions. Maybe it's just the production company that

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Speaker 1: got it wrong this time. Yeah, I just think that

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Speaker 1: they didn't need to manufacture drama in this case. There

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Speaker 1: was so much happening. I would have really loved to

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Speaker 1: also see whether Reese Hawkins was on the scene and

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Speaker 1: whether he would have been involved in the show, because

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Speaker 1: we've seen him pop up at a couple of the

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Speaker 1: kid's birthday parties and things seem to be on better

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Speaker 1: I feel like this production company or network has ruined

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Speaker 1: it for us. You wonder how the Hembrose actually came

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Speaker 1: across on camera, because yes, they're great on social media,

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Speaker 1: but maybe when the camera crews came in, it just

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Speaker 1: was a lot of speculation because it looked like Emily

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Speaker 1: stopped following them. But they think we covered this on

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Speaker 1: our podcast the time. Yeah, but the reality was that

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Speaker 1: they actually blocked her.

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Speaker 2: Here's what she said.

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Speaker 3: I am a realist with you guys.

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Speaker 4: I don't mind sharing all of the details or the

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Speaker 4: nitty gritty. So I didn't actually unfollow them. Tammy blocked me,

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Speaker 4: and when you block someone, you automatically unfollow them. We

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Speaker 4: just had a fight, had a fight with Amy and Tammy,

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Speaker 4: and we're pretty dramatic as sisters. I don't know that

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Speaker 4: dramatic to block someone on Instagram. I feel like that's

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Speaker 4: really childish, but you gotta do what you got to do.

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Speaker 4: But we've all met up and re following each other.

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Speaker 1: This is just so relatable because we've all been in

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Speaker 1: a situation where we've blocked each other.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.

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Speaker 1: Emily says that it's childish, but I actually think it's

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Speaker 1: just part of being sisters sometimes in arguments. I have

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Speaker 1: been so furious with the two of you that the

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Speaker 1: only way I think I can show you how upset

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Speaker 1: and angry I am is by blocking you out of

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Speaker 1: every aspect of my life online. From being on the

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Speaker 1: receiving end of a block from both of you, I've

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Speaker 1: never actually blocked either of you. It pisces me off

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Speaker 1: because you know that the person is going to have

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Speaker 1: all those memories, like, h you've been friends for fifty years. Well,

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Speaker 1: actually so, I remember when you blocked us. I think

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Speaker 1: it was this year, and it was so infuriating because

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Speaker 2: Even message you. On and she was just kicked out

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Speaker 1: Of our group chats, so I had to add her

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Speaker 1: back in to be fair. I said that we've all

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Speaker 1: I think I think there's been the unfriend from you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you've unfriends you and I still have our friendship from

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Speaker 1: fifteen years. Actually, the block is awful because you can't

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Speaker 2: It's so infuriating. You're like, fuck you. Yeah, but that's

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Speaker 1: It clearly works because did part of you feel upset?

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Speaker 2: No, I was just pissed.

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Speaker 1: I was infuriated more. I just thought I agree with Emily.

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Speaker 1: I just thought it was extremely immature of you. All right, well,

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Speaker 1: let's move things on quickly before there is an argument. Now.

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Speaker 1: To wrap up our discussion on the Hembros, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to touch on the fact that Tammy and Love Island's

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Speaker 1: Matt have been spotted together a second time. So it

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Speaker 1: comes after those secret hotel snaps which were taken by

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Speaker 1: a random Now things appear to be getting serious because

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Speaker 1: Matt actually met Tammy's family at a beauty event, and

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Speaker 1: the event in question was for Skin Australia, which is

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Speaker 1: Emily and Amy's brand, and the vision was taken by

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Speaker 1: a guest at the event who happened to catch Tammy

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Speaker 1: leading Matt around the show room. Well, Matt was actually

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Speaker 1: asked about Tammy Hembro at his live podcast recording and

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Speaker 1: influence updates shared all about it online. So basically he

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Speaker 1: and his co host were playing say it or Shot it,

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Speaker 1: and he was asked about Tammy and he chose to

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Speaker 1: take a shot rather than talk about it. I was quite

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Speaker 1: telling it. Yeah. He also did mention he'd been away

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Speaker 1: on a holiday seemingly with Tammy. Yeah, on the Gold Coast.

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Speaker 1: So it's about time that I begin the cleanup before

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Speaker 1: we move out of our house and to Singapore. Roxy

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Speaker 1: j Zanko has given us an insight into what she

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Speaker 1: family relocated from Sydney to Singapore in August for a

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Speaker 1: husband's work, and despite moving into a Singaporean property that

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Speaker 1: is reportedly costing forty five thousand dollars a month, it

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Speaker 1: Off if there wasn't enough storage and I was paying

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Speaker 1: his vlogs. That doesn't sound like a mistake though, that

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00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:39,480
Speaker 1: sounds like really old school, like fadeuber scandal. Someone actually

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Speaker 1: wrote under the engagement announcement, I'm surprised Jim hasn't already

439
00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,359
Speaker 1: shared something about this now. The couple's comments section was

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00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,359
Speaker 1: flooded with its static fans. One wrote, Zoe and Alfie

441
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,720
Speaker 1: getting married. Oh my god, I love that woman like

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Speaker 1: a mother. Another twelve year old me is screaming, and

443
00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,080
Speaker 1: a third joke that their wedding is going to be

444
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Speaker 1: more UK royalty than the actual royal family. Another agreed,

445
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Speaker 1: saying that their wedding should be televised and they should

446
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Speaker 1: go down in a carriage on Brighton Promenade. I love

447
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,480
Speaker 1: this reference because they have a mega mansion in Brighton together,

448
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 1: and they are worth millions of dollars, so they could

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Speaker 1: do the little wave off the balcony.

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Speaker 2: Maybe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it would be a really nice seaside

452
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Speaker 1: sort of wedding for them. They'd bring a lot to

453
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Speaker 1: the area. Sou from biker also lives in Brighton, so

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Speaker 1: there must be a few top UK influences, got it.

455
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Speaker 1: I've got an unpopular opinion. I tried to get into

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Speaker 1: Zoela's Vlogmas last year.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't get through it.

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Speaker 1: They went for about an hour and it was just

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Speaker 1: so mind numbing. But then again, I never watched her

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Speaker 1: Vlogmas back in the day.

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Speaker 2: It might have been better.

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Speaker 1: I have it used to be good. I have tried

463
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Speaker 1: to get back into it, but it's just not the same. Like,

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Speaker 1: I love watching a long form YouTube video, but it

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Speaker 1: bored me to tears. You can't be having you can't

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Speaker 1: be seeing someone decorate their Christmas tree for like an hour,

467
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Speaker 1: or she's got ten different Christmas trees and ten different rooms,

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Speaker 1: so it.

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Speaker 2: Got a little bit repetitive.

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Speaker 1: A lot of fans have been asking why did it

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Speaker 1: take so long for Alfie to actually propose. Yeah, I

472
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Speaker 1: have seen this question a lot, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: down to the fact that they wanted to have their

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Speaker 1: kids before getting married, and they also want their kids to.

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Speaker 2: Be in the wedding.

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Speaker 1: So with Zoela pregnant, she did announce her pregnance in July.

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Speaker 1: We probably won't see this wedding for a while, which

478
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Speaker 1: is disappointing be a couple of years in the making, surely.

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Speaker 3: Because of the interesting assurance today from public and members

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Speaker 3: of media, We've had some technical difficulties.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into the next segment, we want to

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Speaker 1: issue a trigger warning as we do touch on issues

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Speaker 1: surrounding child abuse. US YouTuber Ruby Frankie has been formally

484
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Speaker 1: charged with six counts of aggravated child abuse. The Mormon

485
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Speaker 1: mother of six, who ran family vlogging channel eight Passengers,

486
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Speaker 1: was arrested alongside her business partner, Jody hildebrand I. Found guilty,

487
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Speaker 1: both women face up to fifteen years in prison and

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Speaker 1: a fine of up to ten thousand dollars. Before we

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Speaker 1: get into the details, Cake, can you tell us more

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Speaker 1: about Ruby Frankie. Well, I have been seeing her pop

491
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Speaker 1: up on my TikTok feed for a while now, and

492
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Speaker 1: it appears people have been concerned about her behavior for

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years. So Ruby launched her family

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Speaker 1: vlogging channel eight Passengers on YouTube back in twenty fifteen,

495
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Speaker 1: and at the height of.

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Speaker 2: His popularity, it attracted over two million viewers.

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Speaker 1: So up until this year, she had been sharing her

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Speaker 1: life as a Mormon mother of six children with her

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Speaker 1: husband Kevin Now. The channel was taken down earlier this

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Speaker 1: year after Ruby was criticized over her strict parenting. Now

501
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Speaker 1: vision of Ruby's questionable parenting tactics are still available on

502
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Speaker 1: TikTok and include the mother threatening to take her children's

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Speaker 1: meals away. Just give you an idea of the type

504
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Speaker 1: of content she was sharing.

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Speaker 2: Let's throw to a collection of clips.

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Speaker 1: Eve is responsible for making her lunches in the morning,

507
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Speaker 1: and she actually told me she did pack a lunch.

508
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Speaker 2: So the natural outcome is she's just going to need

509
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Speaker 2: to be hungry.

510
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Speaker 1: And hopefully, hopefully nobody gives her food, and nobody stepped

511
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Speaker 1: in and gives her a lunch. We got everything that

512
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Speaker 1: comes into this house belongs.

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Speaker 3: To her, belongs to me because I get anything.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 3: We all go anywhere.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't have any friends.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I cannot wait to hug them and just smell

518
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Speaker 3: them into wol them.

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Speaker 1: What surprised me about some of the clips was how

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Speaker 1: professionally filmed some of them appeared to be. It almost

521
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Speaker 1: looked like these were really controversial grabs taken from Doctor

522
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: Phil or one of those kind of shows. The thing

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00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 1: that stuck out to me was how did someone not

524
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Speaker 1: sound the alarm earlier? Because it was really upsetting to watch.

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Speaker 1: It almost came across as a joke because you almost

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Speaker 1: wouldn't believe that someone would be so poor to their

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Speaker 1: children and discipline them in that way.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing.

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Speaker 1: People have been sharing their concerns so much though that

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Speaker 1: her channel actually did get taken down, But I don't

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Speaker 1: think anyone was expecting anything this bad. So she was

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Speaker 1: arrested after her twelve year old son escaped out of

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Speaker 1: a window and ran to a neighbour's house asking for

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Speaker 1: food and water. So the neighbor ended up calling the

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Speaker 1: police after noticing duct tape around the child's ankles and wrists.

536
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Speaker 1: A police officer on scene later said that the child

537
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Speaker 1: looked severely malnourished and had sustained deep lacerations from being

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Speaker 1: tied up with rope. Police then went on to search

539
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Speaker 1: the home and discovered Ruby's ten year old daughter in

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Speaker 1: a similar condition. Both children ended up having to be

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Speaker 1: treated at hospital for mount nourishment, while the remaining two

542
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Speaker 1: children have been taken into care. She does have six children, however,

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Speaker 1: the two older ones are no longer.

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Speaker 2: Living with her.

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Speaker 1: Now a second person has also been charged alongside Ruby,

546
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Speaker 1: but it's not her husband but instead her business partner,

547
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Speaker 1: and that person's name is Jodie Hildebrand and she was

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Speaker 1: also charged with six counts of aggravated child abuse. Now

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Speaker 1: Ruby and her four year young children were staying at

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Speaker 1: Jody's house in Ivan at the time of the arrest.

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00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: This relationship between Ruby and Jody is much talked about online. Now,

552
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 1: Ruby began collaborating with Jody's business called Connections, which is

553
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: a mental health counseling service. However, the service has been

554
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 1: previously criticized for its parenting advice, which includes shunning those

555
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 1: who don't share your values and shame based learning. It

556
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Speaker 1: has been referred to as a cult before as well.

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Speaker 1: It's really disturbing because audio from the neighbour's nine to

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Speaker 1: one one call has been made public and in it

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Speaker 1: you can hear the neighbor, who sounds like a middle

560
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Speaker 1: aged man, sobbing as he asked the boy about what happens,

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Speaker 1: and the boy relays the information. Now, sadly, the boy

562
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Speaker 1: said that what happened was his own fault, and he

563
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Speaker 1: confirmed his siblings were still in Jody's house, but they

564
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: were okay, pretty hard to listen to this audio, particularly

565
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Speaker 1: when the neighbor here is Jody's name mentioned and said

566
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Speaker 1: she's a bad lady. We didn't realize how bad. And

567
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: it appears the neighbors were very aware that something wasn't

568
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: quite right with Ruby and Jodi, because NBC reported that

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Speaker 1: the neighbors collectively breathed a sigh of relief as they

570
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: thought they were going to come out of the house

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Speaker 1: with body bags.

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Speaker 2: It is really disturbing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of people have been asking what's

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Speaker 1: going on with Ruby's husband, Kevin, because he hasn't been arrested,

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Speaker 1: and it's come out that the couple have actually been

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Speaker 1: separated for the last thirteen months. So it's Kevin's attorney

577
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Speaker 1: said in a podcast interview, I love that he's just

578
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Speaker 1: giving out podcast interviews. Well, it probably has to because

579
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Speaker 1: he's now having to clear his name over all of

580
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Speaker 1: this too. Yeah. Well, his attorney said that Ruby asked

581
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Speaker 1: him to leave the family home so they could work

582
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Speaker 1: on their marriage, and Kevin claims that he hasn't seen

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Speaker 1: his children during that time and has had no communication

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Speaker 1: with them. Kevin's attorney also said that the reason for

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Speaker 1: their split was a difference in opinion over parenting as

586
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: well as their own personal dynamic. Now it's quite clear

587
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: this attorney is working hard to prove that Kevin doesn't

588
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: have anything to do with this situation. It seems more

589
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: like he's a pr manager trying to push this narrative

590
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: out there, which I can understand you would want to

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00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: clear your own name. Kevin also allegedly claimed that Jody

592
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: had manipulated him in conjunction with Ruby, and that she's

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00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: been the spearhead towards essentially destroying his life and destroying

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Speaker 1: his family.

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00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: God, this is all so wild. It seems very Jerry's springer.

596
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: Ruby's family have now been coming out of the woodwork

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00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: to condemn her behavior, and her estranged sister in law

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00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: said she should be put away forever if convicted of

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Speaker 1: child abuse and labeled her a narcissist. The sister in

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Speaker 1: law also claimed that the Frankie family believe Ruby and

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Speaker 1: JODI's relationship is more than a professional one.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine all of the people on Tattle Life.

603
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: They'd be like, I knew it, We like predicted this

604
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: month ago, like years ago.

605
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 2: They suggested this was happening.

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00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: They're totally vindicated now in documenting every single thing that's

607
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: ever happened on that channel. Ruby's sister Bonnie is also

608
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: a YouTuber, and she released a statement supporting Ruby and

609
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: Joe arrest. Ruby's twenty year old daughter, Shahi, who distanced

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00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: herself last year from her mother, has also released a

611
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: statement on Instagram that read, me and my family are

612
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: so glad justice as being served. We've been trying to

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00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: tell the police and CPS for years about this and

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00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: so glad they finally decided to step up. The kids

615
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: are safe, but there's.

616
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: A long road ahead.

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00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: Please keep them in your prayers and please respect their privacy.

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00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: Jody's niece has also spoken out and has accused her

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Speaker 1: aunt of being the mastermind behind this situation.

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00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 2: Let's throw to what she said.

621
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Speaker 3: Jody's told them that these children should not be around

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Speaker 3: anyone else, that they were evil, and they can't be

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Speaker 3: around anyone else.

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Speaker 4: Other children, Right, they can't be around other.

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Speaker 3: Children, They can't be around other children. They shouldn't be

626
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 3: around other children because they're evil or something to that effect.

627
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 3: And this is exactly what she did to me. So

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00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,239
Speaker 3: the thing that I am finding, I'm having a lot

629
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 3: of emotional reaction to. And it's complicated because I'm grateful

630
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 3: in a weird way. I'm grateful that she partnered with

631
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 3: someone that has so much fame, because I don't think

632
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: there was no way it would be getting the coverage

633
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: that it's getting if she hadn't. But Jody is the

634
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 3: mastermind here, not Ruby. Ruby is still responsible and should

635
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: be arrested for harming her children for sure. And I'm

636
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 3: sure Jody like used that used what it was already there,

637
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: which is what she does. She uses what's already there

638
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 3: to her advantage. Jody is the one doing this. This

639
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 3: is Jody's therapeutic ideas. Jody's told them that these children

640
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: should should not be around anyone else.

641
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Speaker 1: This has gone all over TikTok. People are so invested

642
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: in this story. Oh, it's like a feeding frenzy on

643
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: TikTok at the moment. The weirdest thing is the first

644
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: hearing for this case was last Friday, and more than

645
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: one thousand people joined the online meeting. So what's really

646
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: weird about this is people actually able to log on,

647
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Speaker 1: They're able to watch the proceedings and there, for some

648
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: bizarre reason, they're even able to communicate, so it's almost

649
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: like this big zoom meeting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so weird.

651
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: People were yelling out random words and playing the song Wap.

652
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: There was even a screenshot of Ruby's oldest son watching

653
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Speaker 1: this from home.

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00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: How American is this? Yeah, well that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: This is the start of a case that is likely

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Speaker 1: to be watched by millions of people. The judges also

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