WEBVTT - REPETE: Tony Martin and Top Gun

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<v Speaker 1>Good Apeter Hally here, Welcome to You, and Seeing Nothing

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<v Speaker 1>Yet the movie podcast, where I chat to a movie

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<v Speaker 1>lover about a classic or beloved movie they haven't quite

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<v Speaker 1>got around to watching until now. And today's guest comedian

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Martin.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Christmas isn't just today, It's a frame of mine.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh oh, sounds like someone needs to singer Christmas, Carol.

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<v Speaker 1>Very Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>You're fealthy animals.

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<v Speaker 3>It wouldn't happening right, See nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>New quite simply think Tony Martin is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most revered comedians in Australia. There wouldn't be many of

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<v Speaker 1>us who wouldn't consider Tony either an influence or an

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<v Speaker 1>inspiration from the d Generation to the Late Show for

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<v Speaker 1>Martin Maloy to get this. Tony is an author, a

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<v Speaker 1>stand up comedian, a podcaster. His series Sizzletown is Magnificent.

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<v Speaker 1>Tony also wrote and directed two thousand and three is

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<v Speaker 1>Hilarious movie Bad Eggs. The amazing thing about Tony is

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<v Speaker 1>how prolific he is, but how he keeps his bar

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<v Speaker 1>always very high.

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Martin, Hello everyone, I'm Tony Martin. Three of my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite films would be This is Spinal Tax.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a fine line between stupid and clever.

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<v Speaker 2>Turn about singing in the rain.

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<v Speaker 1>This California Do is just a little heavier than usual.

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<v Speaker 2>Tonight really and Midnight run.

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<v Speaker 1>These sunglasses, they're really nice. Are the government issue that

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<v Speaker 1>all you guys got like to the re stored again.

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<v Speaker 2>But up until three nights ago, I had never seen

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<v Speaker 2>Top Gun.

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<v Speaker 1>It's noisy, it's bombastic, it's patriotic, and featuring Tom Cruise.

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<v Speaker 1>Top Gun may just be the most American film of

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<v Speaker 1>all time. The US Navy's Top Fighter pilots had the

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<v Speaker 1>San Diego to play beach volleyball, hang out in their underwear,

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<v Speaker 1>and played tonsil hockey with their teachers. Will Maverick and

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<v Speaker 1>Goose take out the Top Gun title and live to

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<v Speaker 1>tell the story. Let's find out if Tony Marttin felt

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<v Speaker 1>the need the need for speed?

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<v Speaker 2>Peter, can I just ask it? People have been coming

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<v Speaker 2>on this podcast. Do they generally like the film they

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<v Speaker 2>haven't seen?

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<v Speaker 1>There's been a couple, there's been Rachel cor but did

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily love Castaway. Matt Preston had in a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of an ishie some issues with Get Out. Oh good,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm sending I'm sending a vibe.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I went down the list of films that other

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<v Speaker 2>people have done, and it's like, it's all my favorite films.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Apocalypse, Now, The Godfather with Nila and I, Heat

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<v Speaker 2>Star Wars, Jaws, and then I've realized I've seen all those.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>The idea is you have to see a film you

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<v Speaker 2>haven't seen. And if I haven't seen a film, it's

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<v Speaker 2>usually because I know I'm not gonna like it. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was proved correct here and I'm sorry. I know

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<v Speaker 2>this is a celebration of cinema, and I know some

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<v Speaker 2>people have maybe clicked on this and gone it'll be

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<v Speaker 2>an affectionate reminisce of one of my favorite films. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna have to be the bad guy in this one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm afraid you are the villain. You are the Iceman, my.

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<v Speaker 2>God, the Iceman. Every time I saw Val Kilma, I

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<v Speaker 2>kept thinking, I wish I was watching Top Secret and

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<v Speaker 2>not Top Gun. I wish Nick Rivers would come out

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<v Speaker 2>and do a number.

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<v Speaker 1>Top Secret was his very debut film.

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<v Speaker 2>I love Top Secret.

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<v Speaker 1>It's such a good I prefer that over the Flying High.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm from New Zealand, we call it airplane.

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<v Speaker 1>You got the airplane, which is the American.

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<v Speaker 2>It was only in Australia it was called Flying High.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always curious as to why those decisions get made.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's often. I actually someone told me with Airplane

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<v Speaker 2>it was because they were worried that Australians would confuse

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<v Speaker 2>it with one of the airport movies that it was

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<v Speaker 2>setting up. And you go, well, it wasn't a problem

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<v Speaker 2>in America. They often do change the name, like I

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<v Speaker 2>remember Harry and the Hendersons became Bigfoot and the Henderson's

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<v Speaker 2>for Australia. Yes, Howard the Duck. I have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of these in my brain. Howard the Duck. Though it

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<v Speaker 2>was such a disaster, they called it Howard dot dot

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<v Speaker 2>dot a new kind of Hero. And then he was

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<v Speaker 2>only in silhouette, but it clearly a duck, like it

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<v Speaker 2>was a duck shaped silhouette. There was no disguising that

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<v Speaker 2>Howard the New kind of Hero was a duck, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>a new breed of hero.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean the other going the other way. Mad Max,

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<v Speaker 1>of course was became road Warrior.

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<v Speaker 2>The second one became Robot. Was that last one was

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<v Speaker 2>mad still Mad Max? Right? The second one was just

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<v Speaker 2>called the Road Warrior. But with the first one, didn't

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<v Speaker 2>they redouble the voices because no one could understand. I

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<v Speaker 2>would love to hear that version.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be amazing. Who I wonder who would play

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<v Speaker 1>in the early eighties, who would play Max?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry? Planes going overhead? I think, are we under the

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<v Speaker 2>fly recording this podcast? I didn't think so this could

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<v Speaker 2>be we may have to interrupt the iceman buzzing us.

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<v Speaker 1>It's requested a fly by Derek. Did you get it?

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't get it. There was no request made. My

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<v Speaker 1>copy copies have lids on them, thank god.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh good exactly. I'm jumping all around here because I've

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<v Speaker 2>had a couple of coffees. That bloke who kept spilling

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<v Speaker 2>his coffee. That was my favorite part of the film

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<v Speaker 2>because I kept thinking, if this was a Zucker Brothers

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<v Speaker 2>airplane style parody, and there was one, wasn't there hot

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<v Speaker 2>hot shots? Ye? They would just have that guy spilling

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<v Speaker 2>his coffee in every seed. That was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>few bits I enjoyed.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's come back to Top Gun because obviously there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, or maybe very little to discuss, but your

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<v Speaker 1>three favorite films, some classic films. Let's start with Spinal Tap.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, Spiral Tap is. I mean, it's sort of

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<v Speaker 2>maybe lost its power a little bit because everyone knows

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<v Speaker 2>every bit of it. But I'm old enough to remember

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<v Speaker 2>when it first came out, and there had never been

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<v Speaker 2>a fake documentary. There had been. I think Woody Allen's

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<v Speaker 2>Take the Money and Run is maybe the first movie

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<v Speaker 2>that presents itself as a documentary, as a fake documentary,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's clearly a comedy sketch. But the acting in

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<v Speaker 2>Spinal Tap is because his improvise is so realistic. I

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<v Speaker 2>remember people, and this has become a cliche to say this,

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<v Speaker 2>but I saw it at Brisbane University in eighty five,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, and I remember people coming out confused and

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<v Speaker 2>I heard a woman go, why would they make a

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<v Speaker 2>film about such a mediocre band? And because the acting

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<v Speaker 2>was so naturalistic, it wasn't like The Rattles where it's

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<v Speaker 2>clearly scripted. Yes, people just hadn't seen a fake documentary

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<v Speaker 2>that was realistic before. And then you're going, but the

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<v Speaker 2>drummers were exploding. That's the one thing in that film

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<v Speaker 2>that like Zucker Brothers style, but everything else is realistic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Dumpy's replacement Peter James Barne. He also died in

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<v Speaker 3>mysterious circumstances. We were playing a festival, jazz blues festival

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<v Speaker 3>when that blues jazz, really blues jazz festival.

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<v Speaker 1>It was in the Isle of Lucy and it was

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<v Speaker 1>tragic really he exploded on stage.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that blew me. I mean it was. It's

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<v Speaker 2>funny when you watch spinal Tap now, it's like you're

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<v Speaker 2>watching the best of spinal Tap, because every bit of

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<v Speaker 2>it is a classic bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you listened to the DVD commentary oh with them

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<v Speaker 1>as the band? Yeah, yeah, and that's pointing out all

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<v Speaker 1>the extodrast who had been now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly and claiming they were tricked. They've only used

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<v Speaker 2>all the bad stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's hard to imagine a comedy or think

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<v Speaker 1>of a comedy that's had more of an influence if

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<v Speaker 1>you think now, obviously Christopher Guests well sorry, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher Guess was was, you know, but he went under

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<v Speaker 1>make all these great films with Waiting for Guffman and

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<v Speaker 1>Best in Show. But obviously Ricky Gervais with the Office,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the UK and the US version, maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest sitcoms of recent times wouldn't exist. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>without spinal tap.

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<v Speaker 2>No, the fake docco sort of thing. The and the office.

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<v Speaker 2>The office though had a new What I loved about

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<v Speaker 2>the offices. Remember they would have scenes where they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know they were being filmed and they would be slightly different.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, yeah, the anting was slightly yeah yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>spinal tap is Yeah, there's another cliches every band, like

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<v Speaker 2>when we were doing Martin Molloy, literally every musician who

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<v Speaker 2>came in, we go, what do you think of spinal tap?

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<v Speaker 2>And they their faces would fall. I remember Status Quo going,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a documentary about us, and every band didn't

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<v Speaker 2>matter who it was, somehow thought that it was about them.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember we had Harry Sheer on the show

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<v Speaker 2>we go who is it about? And he said that

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<v Speaker 2>he in research for it, had gone on tour with

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<v Speaker 2>a band called Saxon Heavy Metal Man. I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>remember Saxon, So there's an element of that. And Christopher Guest,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, is clearly playing Jeff Beck, the guitarist. It's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much an impression of him.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a similar story Tony. I played a character

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<v Speaker 1>called Strawny for and I was invited to play at

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<v Speaker 1>the mcg for a charity cricket match actually for the

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<v Speaker 1>Shane Warn Foundation, and I found and a few people

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<v Speaker 1>came up to me, and because the crickets spent a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time overseas, so they went really some of

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<v Speaker 1>them weren't as a cross drawing and some of the others.

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of them thought I was just taking

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<v Speaker 1>the piece out of Warning, and a few I came

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<v Speaker 1>out here came up to me and it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>you're taking a piece out of warning and its warning.

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<v Speaker 2>To this moment, I never realized that it rhymed. It

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<v Speaker 2>was it partly that it was.

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<v Speaker 1>A complete coincidence. So and I found out later that

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<v Speaker 1>Warning had kind of like maybe had thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>based on him, and it was just it was a coincidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody else came up with the name. Paul Collegia came

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<v Speaker 1>up with the name, the initial idea of doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>and and it was a complete coincidence. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>more based on a Big Brother contestant, not a specific

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<v Speaker 1>Big Brother contestant, but the idea if a Big Brother contestant,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, got drafted into the AFL, he'd be more

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed with the fame than he actually would be doing

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<v Speaker 1>the work. So yeah, I know how Harry Sheier feels.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the fact that no one can spell Strawny,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've always felt that that was you taking the

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<v Speaker 2>pins out of how no one can spell your name.

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<v Speaker 2>To this day, still see Hellier spelled incorrectly.

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<v Speaker 1>It is I've been to a venue where I'm performing

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<v Speaker 1>to a thousand people and my name is misspelled at

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<v Speaker 1>the front. Really yeah, wow, It's just if I get

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<v Speaker 1>an email requested me to do something now and my

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<v Speaker 1>name is incorrectly, I don't, I don't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. We I talked about this many times, but I

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<v Speaker 2>worked with Sado Claro for years, and when you work

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<v Speaker 2>in radio, you get sent invitations to things, and he

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<v Speaker 2>had a wall of misspellings of his name over five years.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just wallpaper. Our favorite was Snatto Goro. To

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<v Speaker 2>this day, if I have to introduce him on a

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<v Speaker 2>radio show, I'll bring him on as Snatto Goo.

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<v Speaker 1>Singing in the Rain I saw. I saw this when

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<v Speaker 1>I was very young, and I don't have the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the muscle memory call back, particularly to their Singing in

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<v Speaker 1>the Rain. But what does it mean to you?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a musical and it's full of amazing dance numbers,

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<v Speaker 2>tap dancing numbers with Gene Kelly and everyone knows make

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<v Speaker 2>them laugh. But what makes it still work is it's

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<v Speaker 2>the comedy. And it works because it's about a weirdly

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<v Speaker 2>specific thing, which is the transition from silent movies to

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<v Speaker 2>sound movies. Like even then, it must have been a

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<v Speaker 2>weirdly specific thing to do a big budget Hollywood film about.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's about how these I mean, if you

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<v Speaker 2>know anything about that era, there were all these huge

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<v Speaker 2>movie stars who when sound came in, suddenly we're out

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<v Speaker 2>of work because they had terrible voices. And so that's

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<v Speaker 2>what this is about. And for the first couple of

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<v Speaker 2>years of sound cinema, they didn't have the boom microphone.

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<v Speaker 2>They would have the microphone would be enormous and would

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<v Speaker 2>be hidden inside a vase of flowers. Everyone would have

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<v Speaker 2>to go and stand and sort of lean suspiciously towards

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<v Speaker 2>a vase of flowers in order to be recorded. And

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<v Speaker 2>all of these weird quirks of that are in the film.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's really modern. So the comedy of Singing

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<v Speaker 2>in the Rain is still really modern. It's like a

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<v Speaker 2>it's like a Larry Sanders Show almost from nineteen fifty

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<v Speaker 2>two or whenever.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have to be really great, I'll have to revisit that.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem is people I think, no, they just think, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a shitty old musical. And I remember they did

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<v Speaker 2>a stage show of it a couple of years ago

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<v Speaker 2>in Melbourne and we had the guy I was doing

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<v Speaker 2>Nova Breakfast and we had the guy who was the

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<v Speaker 2>lead who was who is he? The guy from Bootman

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<v Speaker 2>and Coyote Ugly And so he comes on the show

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<v Speaker 2>and I told him a story that Ross Noble had

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<v Speaker 2>told me, Am, I getting too far off.

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<v Speaker 1>The traw r. No, No, this is what is part

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<v Speaker 1>of the all about it, and we've only got top

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<v Speaker 1>gunder this.

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<v Speaker 2>Gus Well, there was this yeah, if we can stave

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<v Speaker 2>that off as long as possible, Peter. But there was

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<v Speaker 2>a stage musical of Singing in the Rain and it

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<v Speaker 2>was done in the West End of London, and obviously

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<v Speaker 2>it had to rain on stage, so they had a

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<v Speaker 2>giant tank of water over the stage and then it

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<v Speaker 2>would rain down and then it would drain away and

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<v Speaker 2>then fill up again at the top. Ross Noble told

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<v Speaker 2>me that the actor who was the lead in the

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<v Speaker 2>West End was so hated by everyone in acting in

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<v Speaker 2>London that every night actors from all over the West

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<v Speaker 2>End would come to piss in the rain tank. Really

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<v Speaker 2>famous nights would be climbing up into the top of

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<v Speaker 2>the theater to take a piece in the rain tank.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was Dame Judy Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>She had a crack. And I was telling this to

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<v Speaker 2>this guy, Adam Garcia, who was coming on to Melbourt,

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<v Speaker 2>and you could just see his face going, who have

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<v Speaker 2>I offended? And he was genuinely shaken.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the idea of that being in his head.

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<v Speaker 4>In everyman, What a glorious feeling I'm carving in, What

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<v Speaker 4>a wonderful and warm feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>Midnight Run. For some reason, I I'm aware that you

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<v Speaker 1>love me Night Run, and I'm not surprised at this sta.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason I always bring it up is that back

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<v Speaker 2>in the era of video shops, because I was known

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<v Speaker 2>from the radio as being a film nerd if I

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<v Speaker 2>was ever in a video shop, like on a Friday

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<v Speaker 2>or Saturday night, I would every time be approached by people,

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<v Speaker 2>what should we get? We can't find anything. All the

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<v Speaker 2>new all the cards are in the new releases that

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<v Speaker 2>they want you know, not available, and my go to

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<v Speaker 2>was always Midnight Run because it's a film, possibly just

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<v Speaker 2>because of the blandness of its name, A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people haven't seen it. It wasn't a huge hit when

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<v Speaker 2>it came out, but it is. It's my most fail

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<v Speaker 2>safe film in that I've never met anyone who doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>like it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great.

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<v Speaker 2>It just works every time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's de Niro and Charles g Yeah, it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's funny, isn't it Well? And I've never thought

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<v Speaker 1>of it like that, but maybe that the name just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of got lost. I mean, it's got Robert de

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<v Speaker 1>Niro in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people they're not sure if they've seen it or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wonder why do you get confused with Midnight

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboy or Midnight Express not expressed.

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<v Speaker 2>That's dangerous. It's not a fun Saturday night.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on kids. Tony Martin recommended.

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<v Speaker 2>He says it's hilarious. Oh dear, what did what.

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<v Speaker 1>Did growing up in New Zealand? What did the movies

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<v Speaker 1>mean to you? Did you you know? Did you were

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<v Speaker 1>you were?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine you went a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it was this. It was all about the

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday matinee one thirty. You would just go every week,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what was on. And I was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>remember recently what the first Do you remember what the

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<v Speaker 2>first film you saw?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Pirate Movie really.

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<v Speaker 2>The Australian Christopher and Chrissy McNichol.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's right, And I saw it at Greensboro twin

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember mostly because I got they used to

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<v Speaker 1>do the tie in at the candy store, the tie in,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, promotions and a candy treasure treasure chest. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember that as much as I remember the movie. I

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<v Speaker 1>have seen it since it's not great.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not great.

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<v Speaker 1>Let Nickki Brittain came in and highlighted it is one

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<v Speaker 1>of her favorite films.

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<v Speaker 2>Pardon me, I think we wanted. I didn't see it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I remember being excited by it coming out because

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<v Speaker 2>Norman Gunston was in Norman he was in there. But

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<v Speaker 2>the first film I saw was it was a compilation

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<v Speaker 2>movie of Charlie Chaplin shorts. My grandmother took me to that,

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<v Speaker 2>so it wasn't a proper film, but it was amazing

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<v Speaker 2>because we didn't even have TV at that point, so

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<v Speaker 2>it is weird to see a movie having never seen TV. Wow, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just the first images. The cutting is confusing, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, it's going to a different angle

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like four seeing that. But the first proper

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<v Speaker 2>film I saw it, This is insane that we were

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<v Speaker 2>taken to. This was Fantastic Voyage. Do you remember that.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 2>Fantastic Voyage is a science fiction movie from the mid

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<v Speaker 2>sixties where a whole lot of scientists are shrunk down

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<v Speaker 2>to microscopic level and put into a spaceship which is

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<v Speaker 2>injected into the blood stream of diplomat who's about to

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<v Speaker 2>die so they can destroy all the cancer cells that

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<v Speaker 2>are going to kill him. So this is the plot

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<v Speaker 2>of the film. People are shrunk down and injected into

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<v Speaker 2>someone in a tiny spaceship and so they're battling red

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<v Speaker 2>blood cells and antibodies and stuff like that. So that

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<v Speaker 2>is like and it's kaleidoscopic and sixties good. It was amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I was terrified by it. I'm going on, what if

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<v Speaker 2>we all got shrunk down?

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<v Speaker 1>What would the cat do?

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<v Speaker 2>But what I always remember is we would suit with

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<v Speaker 2>my uncle and one of the people who's shrunk down

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<v Speaker 2>is rack El Well you know who that is. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it was the actress famous for having large breasts. I

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<v Speaker 2>remember Michaelekay, Well she's been shucked down to microscopic size,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's still bloody here. That was. That was a

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<v Speaker 2>big joke at our house for many years. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>fantastic voyage. I got it recently on Blu Ray, and

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<v Speaker 2>of course it's nowhere as impressive as it seemed what

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<v Speaker 2>I was four.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I get the impression some movies are only released

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<v Speaker 1>on Blue Ray. For Tony Martin, We're still there's still

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<v Speaker 1>some of them saying you there. I still got to

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<v Speaker 1>I realized recently I still have a VHS player I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm told they're very hard to come by. I imagine

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably worth quite a bit. It's weird. Now they'll

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<v Speaker 1>come back into vogue. My kids have asked for record

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<v Speaker 1>players for Christmas. In my eighteen and sixteen year old

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<v Speaker 1>there as for a record players. So when we was

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<v Speaker 1>buying them records, which I'm not sure if they know

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<v Speaker 1>how annoying records. Yeah, I mean I do love records,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've come and gotten back back into them. But

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<v Speaker 1>when you have to get up every sixteen minutes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>change our sides.

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<v Speaker 2>You know who thought we would long enough to see

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<v Speaker 2>the record section be larger than the CD section at

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<v Speaker 2>JBHI five.

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<v Speaker 1>That is that is incredible. Often in this podcast has

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<v Speaker 1>come up where people's favorite films are often the films

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<v Speaker 1>they taped off the TV I had on VHS? Was

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<v Speaker 1>that like a large part, you know, a large thing?

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<v Speaker 2>I think, so I remember, yeah, I remember VHS coming in.

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<v Speaker 2>And I actually worked at a at an army surplus

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<v Speaker 2>store that had a what do you call it home

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<v Speaker 2>appliance department, and they had the first VHS machines, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is like nineteen eighty one, and what I would

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<v Speaker 2>do is I would tape there was a sketch comedy

0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:46.879
<v Speaker 2>show called Not the Nine o'clock News with Rowan Atkinson,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would set the machine in the window of

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<v Speaker 2>the shop to tape it, and then I would get

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<v Speaker 2>in early the next morning, like at six in the

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<v Speaker 2>morning and set up a second VHS player and record

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<v Speaker 2>the sketches over onto a compilation tape. I was making

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<v Speaker 2>over several months of just the good sketches from that show,

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<v Speaker 2>and you'd have to pause, like if I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if anyone would even remember doing this making compilation tapes.

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<v Speaker 2>So the VHS was like, yes, you have to. There

0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:18.120
<v Speaker 2>was an art to it because depending on how far

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<v Speaker 2>into the tape you were, you would have to hit

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<v Speaker 2>pause earlier yes or unpaused to make the edits seamless.

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<v Speaker 2>This is such a nerdic diversion. Pardon me, my my.

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<v Speaker 1>We went to a market, the bunder or Weather market

0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:37.400
<v Speaker 1>at near where I lived, and it was my brother's

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<v Speaker 1>my brother's friend's birthday. My brother's four years older than me,

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<v Speaker 1>and and my brother wasn't there. The mom said they

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<v Speaker 1>had all these pirated tapes, cassette tapes, right, and one

0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:48.359
<v Speaker 1>of them was Jimmy Barnes's freight Train hert and my

0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:50.720
<v Speaker 1>mum saw it and it was like like three bucks

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<v Speaker 1>back then, you know, you probably would have been twelve bucks,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was like three or five bucks. So I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I get going to get that, and then so she

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<v Speaker 1>got so she we bought it. But and then she goes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Mark, my brother's birthday coming up. Why don't you

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<v Speaker 1>tape it the freight train heart and we'll give it

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<v Speaker 1>to Mark for his birthday as well. These are before

0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:13.879
<v Speaker 1>the double deckings, so I actually had to play like

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<v Speaker 1>get two stereos in the room, like two ghetto blasters

0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:20.080
<v Speaker 1>in the room play Jimmy Barnes Freight Train hard on

0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:23.440
<v Speaker 1>one and then this record on another. On the atmosphere

0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:25.240
<v Speaker 1>around it, Dad was mowing the lawns.

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<v Speaker 2>An answer birthday present. Wow, it would be great to

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<v Speaker 2>hear that though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would love to have that.

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<v Speaker 2>You should send it to Jimmy Bark send it to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Where did you're telling that story? And you are very

0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.120
<v Speaker 1>you are across that that. You know, you love compiling

0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:48.040
<v Speaker 1>sketches and producing sketches, put them together and you and

0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:50.200
<v Speaker 1>you work with the one for Matt Down's like, where

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<v Speaker 1>did that love come from?

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<v Speaker 2>Sketch? Well, I was just a mad It's funny because

0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:59.080
<v Speaker 2>sketch comedy goes in and out of fashion. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>you were in issue was the one you get Skihouse

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<v Speaker 2>and that was part of a remember there was like

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<v Speaker 2>they were all chance.

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<v Speaker 1>The sketch wars. Yeah, for some reason, all the networks

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<v Speaker 1>the start of the do sketch comedy at the same time,

0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:10.840
<v Speaker 1>which is a bit weird. That's Big Bite, Big Bite

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<v Speaker 1>and Comedy, inc.

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<v Speaker 2>And then and then it goes away for teen years

0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:17.399
<v Speaker 2>and then it comes back. It was open Slaver and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how successful that was, but that seems

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<v Speaker 2>to have been the end except for black comedy. I

0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:24.639
<v Speaker 2>guess there's just not a lot of straight up sketch

0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:27.719
<v Speaker 2>comedy in It's right, yeah, and it goes out of fashion.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like it's it's heading in a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in a new direction, which I think is a positive

0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:35.200
<v Speaker 1>direction in the way like Arnie Donna is yeah exactly,

0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:37.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, is just killing it and comedy bang bang

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<v Speaker 1>and that stuff. So yeah, it's all good. Now, all right,

0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:46.240
<v Speaker 1>let's let's let's just compose ourselves, right we might we

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<v Speaker 1>might take a word from our sponsor and come back

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<v Speaker 1>and get into mav and goose. All right, Tony, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>what what did you know of Top Gun going in?

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<v Speaker 2>I knew about the soundtrack album. I remember that a

0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:04.959
<v Speaker 2>lot of people seem to have that. I knew there

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<v Speaker 2>would be planes and warfare, and I remember being confused

0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:12.720
<v Speaker 2>about what war was taking place. And that's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the I think one of the worst aspects of the film.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Enemy is just this ill defined. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>very patriotic American film, but they don't have the guts

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<v Speaker 2>to name the enemy they're taking on, or even show them.

0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:29.119
<v Speaker 2>So there's some meg fighters at the beginning, but then

0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:30.960
<v Speaker 2>it's never said what country they're from.

0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:35.119
<v Speaker 1>It was Cannaba that you passed.

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<v Speaker 2>And then at the end they're shooting them down like

0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:41.760
<v Speaker 2>and then but you don't even see the pilots of

0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:43.640
<v Speaker 2>the other play. It's very strange.

0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:46.760
<v Speaker 1>It is extremely strange all of a sudden and like

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<v Speaker 1>just off the coast of San Diego. I mean, they're

0:24:50.960 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 1>so he's America being invaded. Like it's even the fact

0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:58.600
<v Speaker 1>that there's there's danger so close to the United States.

0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:01.560
<v Speaker 1>They don't seem to even pumped that up as a

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<v Speaker 1>like this is no.

0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:07.240
<v Speaker 2>It's sort of plotless. It's strangely plotless for an action film.

0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, apparently they went in with quite a skeletal script.

0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:13.080
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of things that they kind of were

0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:17.160
<v Speaker 1>working out as they were going going along. They famously

0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:19.480
<v Speaker 1>had to come back. They did the test audiences, and

0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:27.119
<v Speaker 1>they wanted more sex and more more I've seen the pecks.

0:25:28.720 --> 0:25:30.800
<v Speaker 1>They came back and they re shot the sex scene,

0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:33.920
<v Speaker 1>the silhouetted sex scene, and the reason and the and

0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:35.719
<v Speaker 1>the scene in the elevator.

0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:37.719
<v Speaker 2>Which where her here is a different color. Even though

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:39.400
<v Speaker 2>it was sort of under a baseball cat.

0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:42.040
<v Speaker 1>That's because you were shooting a different movie. And Tom

0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:44.879
<v Speaker 1>Cruise's hair he was shooting Color of Money, so his

0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:49.000
<v Speaker 1>hair is longer in that scene, and then it's in

0:25:49.119 --> 0:25:52.080
<v Speaker 1>silhouette because they were hiding those those things. Right.

0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:54.400
<v Speaker 2>But you asked, what do I know of this film

0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 2>before I saw it? I have. I just remembered I

0:25:57.200 --> 0:26:01.680
<v Speaker 2>actually knew this film largely through that famous scene with

0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Quentin Tarantino. Do you know this scene? It'll be on

0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:08.920
<v Speaker 2>YouTube's in Sleep with Her, Yes, Sleep with Me, Sleep

0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:12.560
<v Speaker 2>with Me with Eric Stoltz. No one remembers that, NOILM.

0:26:12.720 --> 0:26:14.840
<v Speaker 2>They just remember this scene that goes through about three

0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:18.720
<v Speaker 2>minutes where a pretty kind of is it illegal for

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:22.800
<v Speaker 2>me to say? Coked up seeming Quentin Tarantino is at

0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:26.440
<v Speaker 2>a party and he's too he's actually talking to the

0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:29.040
<v Speaker 2>bloke who directed that film in the bedroom. There's a

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:33.359
<v Speaker 2>trivia nerd moment and he's just giving his theory of

0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:36.440
<v Speaker 2>the film top Gun, which he claims is a homo

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:40.119
<v Speaker 2>erotic text. And I have to say the film pretty

0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:42.880
<v Speaker 2>much backs him up. I will say, all the volleyballs

0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:45.760
<v Speaker 2>and how many scenes is Tom Cruise in his underpants?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, scene. The scene that really got me was when

0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:53.120
<v Speaker 1>when Viper's telling Maverick that, you know, like Goose's dad

0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:56.879
<v Speaker 1>and consoling him, he's in his undies exactly. I think

0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:59.360
<v Speaker 1>I've got that scene ready to go. Let's have let's

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<v Speaker 1>listen to this. Mhm.

0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:08.720
<v Speaker 4>I don't.

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:23.080
<v Speaker 1>All right, Ghosts is dead five jets long enough, something

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:23.840
<v Speaker 1>like this happens.

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:28.639
<v Speaker 2>Here's my real, my responsibility.

0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:35.560
<v Speaker 1>My squad in Vietnam we lost eight of eighteen aircraft.

0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:36.399
<v Speaker 3>Ten men.

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:42.480
<v Speaker 2>First want dies, you die too, but there will be others.

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:45.639
<v Speaker 1>You can count at it.

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 4>You gotta let him go.

0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:56.879
<v Speaker 1>You gotta let him go, just to remind of Tom

0:27:56.960 --> 0:28:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Craizers and he's underway for that, and he's.

0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:05.960
<v Speaker 2>There's very little chemistry between him and Viper and knowing

0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:10.119
<v Speaker 2>Kelly bigill My girlfriend was watching a bit of it. Mean,

0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:14.640
<v Speaker 2>she just at one point said, it's like she's his mum. Yeah,

0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:16.960
<v Speaker 2>he's so baby faced and young.

0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Well interesting. On set, Kelly McGillis ended up hooking up

0:28:21.920 --> 0:28:25.560
<v Speaker 1>with the pilot who played or the actor who played

0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Wolfman r. Tom Chugg or something his name is, and

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 1>but were worried that because she was calling for this

0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:35.119
<v Speaker 1>other guy that the chemistry between him and her and

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:38.240
<v Speaker 1>Tom Cruise may suffer and maybe they're under something.

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:40.560
<v Speaker 2>Whether that scene in the lift, Tom Cruise is so

0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:43.880
<v Speaker 2>clearly standing on a box because she's quite tall.

0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Well she apparently did a lot of her scenes barefoot.

0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:51.440
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I just and Goose as soon as Goose

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:54.680
<v Speaker 1>was benual. I was great to Steve Bisley from Mad

0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Max on board. But what are those names they have?

0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 1>He's Maverick going? Was he named Maverick before or after?

0:29:03.880 --> 0:29:06.520
<v Speaker 1>Was that just a coincidence that he is actually a Maverick?

0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:08.440
<v Speaker 1>And what did I say about Goose?

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:13.880
<v Speaker 2>It's no very complimentary nickname. And then and and we're

0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 2>going all over the place, I know. But the thing

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:18.640
<v Speaker 2>about this film is I'm going, Okay, all of the

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:21.840
<v Speaker 2>scenes where people are talking are just rubbish. But I'll

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 2>watch any film, an action film that's terrible if there's

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 2>just four good action movies in it action scenes, and

0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:34.000
<v Speaker 2>this they're all flying scenes. I barely could understand what

0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:36.760
<v Speaker 2>was going on during the flying scenes. The flying scenes

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:40.360
<v Speaker 2>are essentially just watching the actors sitting in chairs with

0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:44.479
<v Speaker 2>masks over there. Mostly they're only their eyes are visible.

0:29:44.560 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 2>I could not tell who was who most of the

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:49.840
<v Speaker 2>time tries, Oh they've got their names on their bats, thankfully,

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 2>and then you're just cutting to I was never sure

0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 2>spatially where all the planes were in relation to each other.

0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of turning around, looking over shoulders and

0:29:58.760 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 1>looking around.

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:02.479
<v Speaker 2>The It did impress me. Is it all looked There

0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:05.320
<v Speaker 2>was no dodgy green screen work. No, it all it's

0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:09.000
<v Speaker 2>very beautifully filmed. Yeah, there's not a single shot in

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:10.800
<v Speaker 2>the film that looks like a special effect.

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:14.560
<v Speaker 1>What Appendagon got involved and let approve the script, which

0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 1>is why Cougar was originally supposed to die. And they said, no,

0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:25.320
<v Speaker 1>it's too anti military, so too interesting, it's too interesting.

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 1>So Cougar that shit's the bed now and now he

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:28.960
<v Speaker 1>flies I think for Rex.

0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:33.240
<v Speaker 2>But well that opening scene, okay, so the opening scene

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 2>is they're just flying around and these MiGs are on them,

0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:39.800
<v Speaker 2>and then they have lines like oh it's locked on.

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:42.240
<v Speaker 2>But no one gets shot, no one gets blown out

0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:47.080
<v Speaker 2>of the sky. It's quite anticlimactic. It's an actionless action scene.

0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's because there's no enemy until that weird enemy

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 1>at the end. It's like it's basically they're playing paintball exactly.

0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 2>All the scenes. There's no stakes in any of the scenes.

0:30:57.880 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 2>They're all just training exercises. Yeah.

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Really, And it's not like like Raging Bull, like every

0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:08.360
<v Speaker 1>bount tells a story like and he shoots it differently.

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 1>And with this you don't get the feeling that thought

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:14.680
<v Speaker 1>has gone into the action sequences and.

0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 2>The story such that it is is this kind of

0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 2>it's like out of a screenwriting computer. The thing about oh,

0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:23.160
<v Speaker 2>his dad, what did you know? His dad had a

0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:27.040
<v Speaker 2>he was a disgrace, and then Tom Skirit takes him beside.

0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Na he wasn't really, I.

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 1>Mean, and Tom Cruise's reaction is like, ah, okay, Tom Cruise.

0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:36.840
<v Speaker 2>That's That's the other thing. How much smiling does he do?

0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:39.800
<v Speaker 2>I know he's famous for. There's so much smiling from

0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Tom Cruise. There's one scene where he's telling Kelly McGinnis

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:48.720
<v Speaker 2>about sorry Kelly McGillis not Kelly McGinnis, telling her about

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:52.400
<v Speaker 2>how his parents died, and he's grinning like an idiot

0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 2>all the way through that scene as well.

0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:57.200
<v Speaker 1>It is the birth of Tom Cruise. He'd done the

0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:58.360
<v Speaker 1>risky business.

0:31:58.240 --> 0:31:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which I remember really liking.

0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 1>Yah, risky business is great. I think this is the

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:04.640
<v Speaker 1>he said This is the first character he just played

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:06.880
<v Speaker 1>which was larger than life, and I think he's obviously

0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:09.000
<v Speaker 1>taken that and really run with it for the rest

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:11.360
<v Speaker 1>of his career, because Yeah, when you think of Tom Cruise,

0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 1>you do kind of think of these kind of bigger

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:18.840
<v Speaker 1>characters that he plays, but this is this. I think

0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 1>it's probably still the most famous Tom Cruise. Yeah, Jerey maguire, Mike,

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 1>i'ma saying is the best, but it's I think it's good.

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Is great.

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 2>People have sort of gone off it because of the

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 2>overuse of the catchphrases from it, but it's a pretty

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 2>good film.

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Jere McGuire. I think is a perfect date movie because

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:38.120
<v Speaker 1>you get you get all the sports staff, and you

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:39.800
<v Speaker 1>got the romance, and it's funny.

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:43.360
<v Speaker 2>It's funny too, And also is that the first one,

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 2>I guess because Tom Cruise as soon as we put

0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:47.480
<v Speaker 2>this on, a girlfriend goes, gee, do you think he's

0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:50.360
<v Speaker 2>going to be cocky and arrogant throughout the film? And

0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 2>then that was sort of used for a long time

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.920
<v Speaker 2>as the Tom Cruise character, and then he's got interesting

0:32:56.960 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 2>when he started to play failures and flawed characters like Magnolia. Well,

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 2>Magnolia is a fascinating use of Yeah, his strange persona.

0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's taking that cockiness and arrogance and making it interesting.

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:12.560
<v Speaker 2>And also it's one of the few times, well he

0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:16.160
<v Speaker 2>plays a really horrible person, yeah, in a really interesting way.

0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:19.200
<v Speaker 2>I think it was he Oscar nominated for the last thing. Yeah,

0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:22.840
<v Speaker 2>and now he's sort of I don't know, he seems

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 2>in very good shape for someone who's in his fifties. Yeah,

0:33:27.600 --> 0:33:31.760
<v Speaker 2>and I do enjoy those mission impossible films, but he's

0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 2>he's kind of more interesting as he's older, isn't he Like, Yeah,

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:38.680
<v Speaker 2>he's very uninteresting in this film I found well, Yeah,

0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:39.560
<v Speaker 2>and it is the.

0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Birth of Tom Cruise. You know he is. He arrives

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:47.880
<v Speaker 1>and you're right, he just smiles his way and you

0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:50.880
<v Speaker 1>can imagine how excited they were, and they had to

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 1>convince him. He said no a few times, and then

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 1>they kind of took him up into it, you know,

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:55.719
<v Speaker 1>a megaan the flear around. He came down and said, hey,

0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing the film, which is a great reason to

0:33:57.200 --> 0:33:59.960
<v Speaker 1>do it because of a joy ride. But I reckon

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:03.400
<v Speaker 1>just to go back. I reckon. One of the one

0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 1>of the things that maybe you didn't like either on

0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 1>a conscious or subconscious level, is this is this is

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:12.880
<v Speaker 1>an AD? This this this whole ye, this is an

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:15.920
<v Speaker 1>AD for the military. And the enrollments into the navy

0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:19.400
<v Speaker 1>skyrocketed after they was setting they were setting up recruiting

0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:23.360
<v Speaker 1>booths outside cinemas and it was it was crazy. And

0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:29.600
<v Speaker 1>Tony Scott directed this. Yes, who was an AD man exactly.

0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:31.320
<v Speaker 1>And you know, if you think of that first sequence

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 1>with the you know, the the sun, the planes, the

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:37.120
<v Speaker 1>megs or back lit by the sun. Ye, and it's

0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:39.239
<v Speaker 1>an AD, it's danger zonly's playing and the.

0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Sex scene is like a sort of Chanel number five commercial.

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:47.400
<v Speaker 2>The Scott brothers, yeah, they were from There was that

0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:52.359
<v Speaker 2>generation of directors in England like Alan Parker who all

0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 2>came out of making ads in the seventies. Adrian Line, Yeah,

0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Ridley Scott, Tony Scott, and Tony Scott I think had

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 2>done the which is all shot like an AD.

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Which was a massive, massive failure. And he said he

0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 1>couldn't get worked for four years and this is the

0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:09.439
<v Speaker 1>first one. And it's interesting consider he couldn't get work.

0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:13.839
<v Speaker 1>What was it that Jerry Bruckheimer and Don Simpson saw

0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:15.640
<v Speaker 1>in him? And it must have been that he knows

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:17.239
<v Speaker 1>how to shoot, and we want somebody who can.

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:21.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, I've forgotten Don Simpson.

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:24.359
<v Speaker 1>Now what was his He had a horrible indig Don

0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Simpson was apparently knee deeping coke and books. Halfway through filming,

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:34.399
<v Speaker 1>he enrolls himself in rehab, but then takes himself out

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 1>of rehab, as someone who's knee deeping coken hookers sometimes

0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 1>tend to do. And then he goes back to set,

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:44.240
<v Speaker 1>stacks his car in the car park, and then storms

0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:48.400
<v Speaker 1>into a production meeting, says, starts screaming, we're not shooting

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:50.880
<v Speaker 1>that scene, and this immediately starts. So jumps on a

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:53.160
<v Speaker 1>typewriter a computer and starts rewriting the scene.

0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:56.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh right, so he's so he's one of the screenwriters.

0:35:57.520 --> 0:36:00.120
<v Speaker 2>Who is the screenwright? I know someone's just called cat.

0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Gus Cash or something. Apparently Tom Cruise takes a

0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:06.400
<v Speaker 1>bit of credit, apparently for getting involved in the scripting stage.

0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:09.239
<v Speaker 1>I think it feels like a movie where a few

0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:11.279
<v Speaker 1>people had a bit of a crack out of but

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Don Don passed away with an overdose.

0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:17.759
<v Speaker 2>I think ten years after, Oh goodness, I saw his

0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:20.719
<v Speaker 2>name and the other name that really took me back

0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 2>to the eighties. In the opening credits was music by

0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Harold Foaltermeyer, who of course did the music for another

0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Brookheimer Beverly Hills cop Yes, the Axel f you know,

0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:35.520
<v Speaker 2>oh well a bit of music and Fletch the music

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 2>for Fletch.

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:38.880
<v Speaker 1>And Flash Dance as well, because that was another that

0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:41.520
<v Speaker 1>was a Simpson brook Because one of the interest things

0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:44.320
<v Speaker 1>about the soundtrack, because this was they kind of, i

0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 1>think created this kind of idea of having these you know,

0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 1>soundtracks as opposed to score and like really investing in

0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:55.960
<v Speaker 1>the idea. I mean, you know, Rocky had you know,

0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:59.480
<v Speaker 1>probably there Eida Tiger, but they would they would get

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:01.840
<v Speaker 1>they got p will in basically to audition and to

0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:05.520
<v Speaker 1>submit songs for they said, I've written specifically, I mean

0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:07.120
<v Speaker 1>you got Sitting on the Dock of the Bay and

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:10.239
<v Speaker 1>Great Balls of Fire obviously, you know, but they got

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:14.520
<v Speaker 1>people in to basically pitch songs and they had somebody

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:16.800
<v Speaker 1>else wrote danger Zone and they pitched at first to

0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Toto and they knocked it back and then Speedwagon knocked

0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:22.920
<v Speaker 1>it back.

0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Stick Journey. How far down the list did they go?

0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:32.680
<v Speaker 1>Rat Cat and then and then at landed with Kenny

0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Loggins who had written the film the song for the

0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:41.120
<v Speaker 1>beach volleyball scene playing with the boys. I think it's

0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:43.440
<v Speaker 1>called and he just thought, everyone's going to try to

0:37:43.440 --> 0:37:45.520
<v Speaker 1>write the song for the opening. I'm going to concentrate

0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:49.240
<v Speaker 1>on this little beach ball beach volleyball scene that nobody's

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:52.360
<v Speaker 1>going to worry about. And yeah, score score him.

0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 2>There halfway I mean it starts sorry, halfway, what is it?

0:37:55.360 --> 0:38:00.399
<v Speaker 2>Highway to the and and then we immediately go into

0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:02.799
<v Speaker 2>a scene with very little danger whatsoever.

0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:06.520
<v Speaker 1>The danger. Let's play paintball.

0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:08.759
<v Speaker 2>I know I keep quoting my girlfriend, but here's something else.

0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:10.719
<v Speaker 2>She said, Well, we're watching this film.

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:12.520
<v Speaker 1>She goes, this is the.

0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Sort of film that Mac from Sonny would really like,

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:19.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Yes, this

0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:20.840
<v Speaker 2>is such a Mac film.

0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:23.680
<v Speaker 1>It was a huge film, which I should point out

0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:25.759
<v Speaker 1>it was the highest grossing film of ninet eighty six.

0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Second only, sorry, first second was Crocodile Dundee. Really yeah, wow,

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:33.800
<v Speaker 1>which reminder how big Crocodile Dundee was.

0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:38.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and here's something people forget about Crocodile Dundee. It

0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:41.920
<v Speaker 2>was nominated for an Oscar for screenplay. Yes, and it

0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:45.719
<v Speaker 2>was written by Paul Hogan and someone I'm fascinated by

0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:49.839
<v Speaker 2>a man called Ken Shady. Isn't that such a great name?

0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Is fantastic?

0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:53.439
<v Speaker 2>He was a writer who I think wrote on Paul

0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 2>Hogan's TV shows. Got an Oscar nomination for Crocodile Dundee.

0:38:58.120 --> 0:38:59.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's ever been heard of since.

0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:03.319
<v Speaker 2>I love that. I'm fascinated. Where is Ken Shady? There's

0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:09.239
<v Speaker 2>a podcast that there's a serial style series. Okay, so

0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:11.440
<v Speaker 2>I wrote down, So you're talking eighty six? So what

0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:14.120
<v Speaker 2>was the number one? So Crocodile that and Platoon was

0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:17.880
<v Speaker 2>through Platoon I wrote down. These were the films I

0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:21.759
<v Speaker 2>liked in that year. There was This is How out

0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.160
<v Speaker 2>of Touch I Am with the general Public? Lost in

0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:26.520
<v Speaker 2>America was one of my favorite films from that year

0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:31.759
<v Speaker 2>with Albert Brooks. Alb Brooks, Yeah, Repo Man. I think

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:33.480
<v Speaker 2>that might have been from a couple of years before,

0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:38.399
<v Speaker 2>but I saw that. Then Aliens came out that year.

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:41.320
<v Speaker 2>That was a beauty, which is the sequel, isn't it?

0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Alien?

0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:46.320
<v Speaker 2>And After Hours? Martin Scorsese's After Hours and the Australian

0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:50.560
<v Speaker 2>film Malcolm Malcolm's Great with a Car that splits some

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:55.560
<v Speaker 2>hard which really needs Highway to the danger zone playing.

0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:58.320
<v Speaker 1>Underneath that deserves it more than Top Gun dos R.

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:03.360
<v Speaker 2>There is more action and excitement in Malcolm or suspense

0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:06.200
<v Speaker 2>at least Top Gun. I'm sorry. I know those a

0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:08.360
<v Speaker 2>lot of people who love Top Gun and probably furious

0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:09.839
<v Speaker 2>at me right now. I apologize.

0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:13.680
<v Speaker 1>I think there are films because I saw Top Gun

0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:16.120
<v Speaker 1>in the cinema, I was like, Wow, this is pretty awes.

0:40:16.239 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 2>Somebody would work better in the cinema. I'm guessing those

0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 2>playing scenes, it.

0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Would absolutely And also I'm eleven years old, I'm not

0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:27.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of seeing all the issues with the movie. But

0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:29.120
<v Speaker 1>I think even if you love Top Gun, you are

0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 1>you are used to people taking the piss Yes, okay, yeah,

0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:34.600
<v Speaker 1>I think you're in safe territory.

0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right, there are. I'm trying. I can't think

0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:40.120
<v Speaker 2>of there's films I love that people just take the

0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:42.800
<v Speaker 2>piss out of constantly you and you have to defend

0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:46.279
<v Speaker 2>your own films. I live with someone who who has

0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:48.640
<v Speaker 2>said she will never see a Star Wars film, so

0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:51.279
<v Speaker 2>that's constantly, and it's very hard to get through a

0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:53.080
<v Speaker 2>day without a Star Wars reference.

0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's the thing that this is I think what

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:56.839
<v Speaker 1>surprised me most that you hadn't seen Top Gun because

0:40:56.840 --> 0:40:59.480
<v Speaker 1>it feels like such a pop cultural kind of you know,

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:02.879
<v Speaker 1>because you know, yeah, and like sales and ray bands

0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:04.759
<v Speaker 1>kind of went through to roof arth of this, you know,

0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:09.400
<v Speaker 1>is kind of like impact. It's been parodied so many times.

0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:11.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's it when you know a film better from

0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:13.400
<v Speaker 2>the parody from hot Shots.

0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:16.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, did you know the line you know, I could

0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:18.160
<v Speaker 1>tell you, but I would have to kill you came

0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:18.680
<v Speaker 1>from top of it.

0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:21.520
<v Speaker 2>From there. It's interesting because that is a line you

0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:24.839
<v Speaker 2>hear in everything now. Yeah, and there's another one too,

0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:28.320
<v Speaker 2>something about that. I've heard a few people say about you.

0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:30.719
<v Speaker 2>Something you're writing.

0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:33.600
<v Speaker 1>A your egos, writing checks. Your body can't cant.

0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:36.200
<v Speaker 2>That's right. And he's the guy, and I love that guy.

0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:40.160
<v Speaker 2>James Tolkien, who I always remember, is playing Napoleon in

0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:43.720
<v Speaker 2>Woody Allen's Love and Death. But he gets the classic

0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:47.240
<v Speaker 2>the sort of boss of the cops, you know, bawling

0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:50.160
<v Speaker 2>them out, going to exactly it's that role. But then

0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:52.920
<v Speaker 2>they go to another base and someone else has that role.

0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:56.080
<v Speaker 2>Three different characters throughout the film get to play the

0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:58.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm taking you off this case Maverick.

0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:01.160
<v Speaker 1>Character, and then there's the guy with the coffee who's

0:42:01.200 --> 0:42:03.640
<v Speaker 1>this mad running through scenes.

0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:07.480
<v Speaker 1>The adult lines were take me to bed and lose

0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:09.960
<v Speaker 1>me forever kind of became a bit of a thing,

0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:13.719
<v Speaker 1>and I feel the need the need for speed, which

0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:17.239
<v Speaker 1>when when he watching it back last night, I was

0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:21.680
<v Speaker 1>really disappointed at the high five. I remember being really cool.

0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:23.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, but watching it like it's.

0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Really like Tom Cruise is like really like they know

0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:30.359
<v Speaker 1>these high fives coming, really concentrating on landing that high five.

0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:35.600
<v Speaker 2>Wow, Wow, great movie. High five. There's a category. The

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:39.160
<v Speaker 2>other song you mentioned, the songs You've lost that loving feeling?

0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Is that? Where is that from? Is that? That's obviously

0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:45.560
<v Speaker 2>an old song even when this, yeah, I seem.

0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:47.239
<v Speaker 1>To when that came out, I feel like even as

0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:50.040
<v Speaker 1>an eleven year old, I knew that song. But that

0:42:50.120 --> 0:42:52.960
<v Speaker 1>became a famous, very famous scene in the movie. It

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:55.400
<v Speaker 1>was one of Meg Ryan's first She has.

0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:58.040
<v Speaker 2>Very little to do, and Tim robbins as well. Is

0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:00.399
<v Speaker 2>it a small role? And I was amu is by

0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:05.480
<v Speaker 2>seeing him, a famous lefty actor having to sort of

0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:08.279
<v Speaker 2>take part in all the high five patriotism at the

0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 2>final scene.

0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:13.440
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if he was back then, Yeah, he done.

0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:18.160
<v Speaker 1>He'd done a movie Anthony Edwards, the movie called The

0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:18.759
<v Speaker 1>Sure Thing.

0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:22.240
<v Speaker 2>That's pretty good. That's a that's a good rob Ryaners

0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:23.399
<v Speaker 2>follow up to spital Town.

0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:26.520
<v Speaker 1>That's right, yes, yes, John Cusack, Yeah, that's that's a

0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 1>really good film. That one.

0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:31.640
<v Speaker 2>I knew him probably from Bull Durham as the first

0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:34.320
<v Speaker 2>time I noticed him, although he was the lead in

0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:37.279
<v Speaker 2>Howard the Duck or Howard Dot Dot, a new breed

0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:38.640
<v Speaker 2>of hero for Australians.

0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Did you notice there's a lot of perspiration, yes, almost

0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:45.520
<v Speaker 1>distractingly so yeah, that's part.

0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Of the advertising lighting of the whole thing, isn't it.

0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right, yeah, Bell Kilma. Just to get back

0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:54.400
<v Speaker 1>to the valcom he was contractually a blind yes, so

0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:55.919
<v Speaker 1>he didn't want to be in this film. He didn't

0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:58.120
<v Speaker 1>want to be in it, so it was.

0:43:58.120 --> 0:43:59.760
<v Speaker 2>He had he he done top Secret.

0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:02.799
<v Speaker 1>It's weird that he had that attitude because he'd done

0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:04.759
<v Speaker 1>Top Secret, one of the two other movies that I.

0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:06.080
<v Speaker 2>Hadn't Real Genius.

0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:09.200
<v Speaker 1>I think, yes, he's done. Really, I think maybe he

0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:11.799
<v Speaker 1>was this top Secret and real Genius and TV appearances

0:44:12.360 --> 0:44:13.600
<v Speaker 1>and then he's saying I don't want to be in.

0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:18.120
<v Speaker 2>This yeah, big action movie, which is kind of would

0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:20.200
<v Speaker 2>this be the film he's most not?

0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:25.480
<v Speaker 1>I think so, I think his most iconic role. He's

0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:28.399
<v Speaker 1>probably had better performances, although I think ice Man he's

0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:29.719
<v Speaker 1>actually I think he's really good in it.

0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, he's sort of when you first see him,

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:37.400
<v Speaker 2>he's menacingly flipping a ball point about sort of casting

0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:40.480
<v Speaker 2>shade on Tom Cruise, and you think they're going to be,

0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:44.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, clearly the antagonists, but he sort of they

0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:46.800
<v Speaker 2>sort of come together quite quickly, and then it's a

0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:49.759
<v Speaker 2>full blown romance by the by the end credits when

0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:53.520
<v Speaker 2>at the very end of the film, the very final

0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:56.480
<v Speaker 2>scene where Tom Cruise is in that bar and he

0:44:56.760 --> 0:44:59.160
<v Speaker 2>puts on the song of the jukebox and then out

0:44:59.200 --> 0:45:02.719
<v Speaker 2>of focus the background you see a female figure which

0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:05.040
<v Speaker 2>turns out to be Kelly Bigiller's I so wanted that

0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:09.520
<v Speaker 2>to be val killed and drag just the iceman coming

0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:12.720
<v Speaker 2>in singing you've lost that loving feeling there.

0:45:12.680 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Was obviously they knew to get the female audience, and

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:20.800
<v Speaker 1>because a lot of it's you know, in jet planes,

0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:23.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, with their faces you know, and often in

0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:27.319
<v Speaker 1>their eyes covered, they needed to see some flesh on earth.

0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:30.160
<v Speaker 1>So that's the only reason why the beach volleyball scene

0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:32.360
<v Speaker 1>is there, and why they hang out in towels and

0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:35.359
<v Speaker 1>their underwear around base. I mean, have you ever hung

0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:38.080
<v Speaker 1>out with that many men in towels?

0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:42.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, I've never. I've been being very thin and

0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:46.080
<v Speaker 2>oft bullied young man I was. I spent my entire

0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:50.400
<v Speaker 2>life avoiding situations like that, like batman. Like even at

0:45:50.440 --> 0:45:53.239
<v Speaker 2>school when we had to get into swimming togs, I

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:55.960
<v Speaker 2>would somehow manage to get in. I'd probably warn them

0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:57.480
<v Speaker 2>under my school uniform.

0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:01.239
<v Speaker 1>I was the same with you know, the opposite reason

0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:03.960
<v Speaker 1>of being a man of girth, right, okay, And I

0:46:04.000 --> 0:46:08.120
<v Speaker 1>remember actually felling playing a charity game as Strawny over

0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:10.000
<v Speaker 1>in the South of Straight with rather footballers.

0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:14.560
<v Speaker 1>And afterwards everyone's in the shower and like I'm like,

0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:16.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm just sat in the corner like you knows, in

0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:20.800
<v Speaker 1>the feet position show and the confidence of those footballs

0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:23.759
<v Speaker 1>do the walk around naked, that's right, there's extraordinary.

0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:26.680
<v Speaker 2>I never had any of that. And because I'm growing

0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:31.160
<v Speaker 2>up in New Zealand two where the enormous Polynesian gentleman

0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:34.440
<v Speaker 2>and gentlemen, I'm talking about a nine year old who's

0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:38.000
<v Speaker 2>already at six foot. It was very intimidating for young man.

0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:40.279
<v Speaker 1>Did you expect Goose to die? Did that come as

0:46:40.440 --> 0:46:41.399
<v Speaker 1>a surprise at all?

0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:46.440
<v Speaker 2>I sort of was. I was feeling that coming, but

0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:50.520
<v Speaker 2>it was I didn't feel like the relationship was developed

0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:53.120
<v Speaker 2>to the point where I was moved when it happened.

0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:57.360
<v Speaker 2>I felt all of the melodramatic plot developments, that the

0:46:57.440 --> 0:47:00.360
<v Speaker 2>thing about his dad felt very tact on. Yeah, and

0:47:00.600 --> 0:47:03.000
<v Speaker 2>very I mean, I'd love to speak to someone who

0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:06.279
<v Speaker 2>loves this film. I'm assuming this is sacrilege what I'm

0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:06.719
<v Speaker 2>saying now.

0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:10.279
<v Speaker 1>No, I mean I remember as an eleven year old

0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:14.440
<v Speaker 1>feeling the Goose moment. Okay, watching a back, I can

0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:18.120
<v Speaker 1>understand exactly what you're what you're saying. It did occur

0:47:18.200 --> 0:47:21.080
<v Speaker 1>to me that Tom Cruise knows that Goose is dead

0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:23.719
<v Speaker 1>as soon as he gets in the water, like you know,

0:47:23.880 --> 0:47:24.080
<v Speaker 1>for some.

0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:26.759
<v Speaker 2>Reason her out. When you look at the way that's edited,

0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:28.920
<v Speaker 2>he gets over to him very quickly. Oh yeah, they

0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:31.560
<v Speaker 2>landed the water miles apart, and then there's a cut

0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:32.480
<v Speaker 2>and he's almost there.

0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, and that scene when we played early when Viper

0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:38.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of comes in and like the idea that you

0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:40.200
<v Speaker 1>have to get over this is like, yeah, yeah, it

0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:40.920
<v Speaker 1>just happened.

0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:45.759
<v Speaker 2>He's right. And also when it happens, like, explain to

0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:51.120
<v Speaker 2>me what happens? So they release the canopy, Yeah, and

0:47:51.280 --> 0:47:54.839
<v Speaker 2>then he hits his ejectacyat too quickly, so he goes

0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:56.960
<v Speaker 2>up and hits the canopy. What's happening?

0:47:56.960 --> 0:48:00.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Meg Ryan should be suing. I think that's

0:48:00.440 --> 0:48:02.000
<v Speaker 1>what Top Gun too, which is coming out soon.

0:48:02.640 --> 0:48:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Is that true, isn't it? Yes?

0:48:04.320 --> 0:48:05.920
<v Speaker 1>It was supposed to come out in June this year,

0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:09.880
<v Speaker 1>but Corona has sent it back to July twenty one.

0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:12.520
<v Speaker 1>It may be one of the gifts coronavirus has given us.

0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but what is Top Gun?

0:48:15.120 --> 0:48:20.040
<v Speaker 1>To what I've seen the trailer, it's Maverick gonna coming

0:48:20.200 --> 0:48:23.439
<v Speaker 1>back to Top Gun?

0:48:25.000 --> 0:48:27.319
<v Speaker 2>Is he a train because he was training he is, Yeah,

0:48:28.320 --> 0:48:29.560
<v Speaker 2>so it's.

0:48:29.480 --> 0:48:34.399
<v Speaker 1>Unclear to me. I think he stopped training for a while.

0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:36.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure something happened.

0:48:36.120 --> 0:48:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Is he going to mentor like the how the older

0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Indiana Jones had it. It's not going to be one

0:48:40.640 --> 0:48:43.040
<v Speaker 2>of those, is it. I can only assume it will

0:48:43.080 --> 0:48:46.680
<v Speaker 2>be Timothy Challo May will be the new young Maverick.

0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:51.440
<v Speaker 2>I was just like you spills his coffee.

0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:54.120
<v Speaker 1>I was always going to say, actually, Timothy shall Mate

0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:54.480
<v Speaker 1>is in it?

0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh is he really? No, he's not.

0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Because I watched the Top Gun trailer to trailer last night,

0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:02.040
<v Speaker 1>and then I watched the Dispatch trailer after, which is

0:49:02.080 --> 0:49:04.239
<v Speaker 1>Where's Anderson movie? Timothy shallow mate?

0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:08.600
<v Speaker 2>I would love to see Wes Anderson doing the sequel

0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:12.080
<v Speaker 2>to Top Gun, shot entirely in front on wide shots

0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:18.880
<v Speaker 2>with harpsichord music, play Bill Murray. That would be great. No,

0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:22.920
<v Speaker 2>that's and then the planes, even the planes exploding looked good.

0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:25.719
<v Speaker 2>I thought, I'm going these are models, clearly, these are models. Yeah,

0:49:25.760 --> 0:49:27.160
<v Speaker 2>but they must be huge models.

0:49:27.360 --> 0:49:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, they're there. It's that is one of that.

0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:32.560
<v Speaker 1>As you mentioned, it's one of the impressive things they did.

0:49:33.000 --> 0:49:38.760
<v Speaker 1>They were allowed to use one missile. Yeah, so they'll

0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:41.800
<v Speaker 1>give them one missile to actually shoot and film. And

0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:45.920
<v Speaker 1>so they got it from different angles and either looped

0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:47.800
<v Speaker 1>it or reversed it and and flipped it.

0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:51.719
<v Speaker 2>And because even that look there was no like, it

0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:54.440
<v Speaker 2>has not dated at all in how it looks. No,

0:49:54.800 --> 0:50:00.640
<v Speaker 2>whereas remember Twister, how amazing that it was. I remember

0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:03.359
<v Speaker 2>going a second time because it was so amazing wat

0:50:03.440 --> 0:50:05.160
<v Speaker 2>it for a while. I saw it about a year

0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:07.320
<v Speaker 2>and a half after it came out and just WoT, oh, no,

0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:11.759
<v Speaker 2>already looks terrible. The other my lifetime has been full

0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:14.160
<v Speaker 2>of films that looked amazing when they came out, and

0:50:14.280 --> 0:50:17.759
<v Speaker 2>then you go, is this like Tron? I remember seeing

0:50:17.840 --> 0:50:20.279
<v Speaker 2>Tron and wherever it was ninety eighty two and this

0:50:20.480 --> 0:50:22.320
<v Speaker 2>is amazing, and then seeing it in the nineties and

0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:24.960
<v Speaker 2>going is this is this actually the film or is

0:50:25.000 --> 0:50:27.040
<v Speaker 2>this like a pilot for the film? Is this like

0:50:27.080 --> 0:50:28.839
<v Speaker 2>an animatic of the effect? Well?

0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Star Wars is you know, almost the best example of

0:50:31.800 --> 0:50:34.160
<v Speaker 1>like you know, you're almost I mean, we did an

0:50:34.160 --> 0:50:36.560
<v Speaker 1>episode with why lead who hadn't seen Star Wars and

0:50:36.880 --> 0:50:40.800
<v Speaker 1>you really have to put yourself to really completely understand it,

0:50:40.920 --> 0:50:43.520
<v Speaker 1>and he enjoyed it, but to really understand and get

0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:45.719
<v Speaker 1>why this that's a phenomenon. You've really got to put

0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:48.680
<v Speaker 1>yourself into the nineteen seventy seven and to imagine seeing

0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:49.560
<v Speaker 1>this for the first time.

0:50:49.719 --> 0:50:52.000
<v Speaker 2>That's right and one of the great The only thing

0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:56.120
<v Speaker 2>I think that impressed me about those prequels that came

0:50:56.200 --> 0:50:59.200
<v Speaker 2>out is that obviously they've they've had a meeting and gone.

0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:01.680
<v Speaker 2>This is kind to be very strange in the future

0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:04.879
<v Speaker 2>when people watch them in order, when they watched one, two, three,

0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:06.160
<v Speaker 2>and then they go to four and they go, hang,

0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:08.320
<v Speaker 2>why does it suddenly look like Doctor Who from the

0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:09.160
<v Speaker 2>nineteen to sixties.

0:51:09.160 --> 0:51:11.480
<v Speaker 1>It's like going from VHS to That's.

0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Right, but they've obviously anticipated that. And if you look

0:51:14.280 --> 0:51:18.480
<v Speaker 2>at the last ten minutes of the third prequel, they

0:51:18.640 --> 0:51:22.280
<v Speaker 2>take it back to try and smooth over the joint.

0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:25.520
<v Speaker 2>They take it back to the look of that of

0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:29.160
<v Speaker 2>the fourth or the first one, part four because the

0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:31.600
<v Speaker 2>first scene, remember the first scene in Star Wars is

0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:34.480
<v Speaker 2>in the corridor on a spaceship and it's quite cheap,

0:51:34.560 --> 0:51:36.399
<v Speaker 2>like Star Wars was only made for I think nine

0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:39.319
<v Speaker 2>and a half million dollars Credible, which was quite cheap

0:51:39.360 --> 0:51:44.399
<v Speaker 2>even then. And the walls of that corridor don't quite

0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:49.000
<v Speaker 2>touch the floor, and they've recreated that in the final

0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:52.840
<v Speaker 2>scene of the third prequel. Okay, I might be remembering

0:51:52.880 --> 0:51:54.840
<v Speaker 2>this wrong, but been quite impressed by that.

0:51:55.040 --> 0:51:57.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go and look at that again. Were

0:51:57.640 --> 0:52:00.399
<v Speaker 1>you surprised from a story point of view from top

0:52:00.440 --> 0:52:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Gun that they sent Maverick back up to say this

0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:06.920
<v Speaker 1>this dangers looming or or you're not even looming. It's

0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:12.560
<v Speaker 1>on the on the doorstep unspecified enemy. Maverick hasn't got

0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:15.680
<v Speaker 1>his confidence, has got his mojo back yet no people

0:52:15.719 --> 0:52:18.160
<v Speaker 1>are losing faith in him, So why not put him

0:52:18.600 --> 0:52:22.120
<v Speaker 1>up in the sky as Iceman's wingman. I think ice

0:52:22.200 --> 0:52:23.719
<v Speaker 1>Man had a good point, to be honest. Is he

0:52:23.840 --> 0:52:25.000
<v Speaker 1>the right part to send up?

0:52:25.160 --> 0:52:27.640
<v Speaker 2>I know, because the problem I had with a lot

0:52:27.719 --> 0:52:30.880
<v Speaker 2>of this, and you always feel bad siding with the

0:52:31.000 --> 0:52:34.760
<v Speaker 2>bad guy in a film. But whenever the iceman started

0:52:34.880 --> 0:52:37.719
<v Speaker 2>doing his rand about how undisciplined and not a team player,

0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:40.440
<v Speaker 2>I was just on his side. I was Man's completely

0:52:40.520 --> 0:52:44.080
<v Speaker 2>making sense. Tom Cruise is a dangerous person to be

0:52:44.160 --> 0:52:46.600
<v Speaker 2>out there. And then at the end, don't they mirror

0:52:46.680 --> 0:52:49.640
<v Speaker 2>that line where he goes, yeah, you are dangerous.

0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:55.200
<v Speaker 1>You can be my wing man anytime. Bullshit, Yeah you

0:52:55.280 --> 0:52:55.920
<v Speaker 1>can be mine.

0:52:56.440 --> 0:52:59.480
<v Speaker 2>But I'm assuming because as you've mentioned that, the Navy,

0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:02.120
<v Speaker 2>in order to let them film all this, they had

0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:05.160
<v Speaker 2>to approve the script. So part of me is going,

0:53:05.239 --> 0:53:08.360
<v Speaker 2>this seems very unlikely. But then I'm going, but this

0:53:08.480 --> 0:53:11.600
<v Speaker 2>has been approved by the news. I don't know. I'm

0:53:11.600 --> 0:53:14.880
<v Speaker 2>assuming it's possible, but it didn't seem believable.

0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:17.319
<v Speaker 1>No, no, not at all. Do anything else.

0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:20.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to I'm searching through my notes to

0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:22.879
<v Speaker 2>see if I've got anything positive written down. I love

0:53:22.960 --> 0:53:26.319
<v Speaker 2>how when this was a great line that's aged well.

0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:29.440
<v Speaker 2>When the very near the start of the film, when

0:53:29.520 --> 0:53:32.279
<v Speaker 2>Tom Cruise and Goose walk into a bar full of

0:53:32.480 --> 0:53:36.080
<v Speaker 2>hot women, and Tom Cruise says, and I've written it down,

0:53:37.080 --> 0:53:40.120
<v Speaker 2>this is what I call it target rich environment.

0:53:47.719 --> 0:53:49.920
<v Speaker 1>This is what I call it target rich environment.

0:53:50.640 --> 0:53:53.400
<v Speaker 2>You live your life between your legs, Mau Goose.

0:53:53.520 --> 0:53:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Even you can get lead into place like this, Dhania.

0:53:56.360 --> 0:53:58.800
<v Speaker 2>I'd be happy to find a girl who talk dirty killing.

0:54:05.200 --> 0:54:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Do you want to know who the best is?

0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:11.919
<v Speaker 2>That's him Icet. It's the way he flies ice called

0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:14.440
<v Speaker 2>no mistakes, just wears you down.

0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:16.720
<v Speaker 4>You get bored, frustrated, do something stupid.

0:54:16.840 --> 0:54:17.320
<v Speaker 1>He's got you.

0:54:18.360 --> 0:54:22.400
<v Speaker 2>That's aged very well. I've just written down. I've written

0:54:22.440 --> 0:54:29.560
<v Speaker 2>down several times. Zero chemistry. Yeah, no, I think I

0:54:29.640 --> 0:54:30.800
<v Speaker 2>think we've covered everything.

0:54:31.640 --> 0:54:34.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know you have mentioned you were impressed

0:54:34.080 --> 0:54:37.600
<v Speaker 1>by at least the shooting of the action sequences.

0:54:37.840 --> 0:54:40.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's it's one of those films that hasn't

0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:43.600
<v Speaker 2>dated in its look, and there's not many films in

0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:46.759
<v Speaker 2>that kind of special effects action era that.

0:54:47.600 --> 0:54:52.600
<v Speaker 1>And because they're often wearing just the uniform. Even from

0:54:52.640 --> 0:54:53.760
<v Speaker 1>a fashion point.

0:54:54.480 --> 0:54:58.200
<v Speaker 2>None of that, there's no It's funny when that happens

0:54:58.200 --> 0:55:01.000
<v Speaker 2>because one of my very favorite films from the eighties

0:55:01.440 --> 0:55:05.319
<v Speaker 2>is David Lynch's Blue Velvet, and he's so particular about

0:55:05.360 --> 0:55:08.040
<v Speaker 2>the look of everything that it's kind of timeless. Yeah,

0:55:08.080 --> 0:55:10.480
<v Speaker 2>you're not even sure when it's happening. But there is

0:55:10.560 --> 0:55:13.080
<v Speaker 2>a scene even in that film, there's a scene towards

0:55:13.120 --> 0:55:15.480
<v Speaker 2>the end where they go to an eighties party and

0:55:15.600 --> 0:55:21.320
<v Speaker 2>it almost becomes you know, weird science for a few minutes.

0:55:21.360 --> 0:55:24.239
<v Speaker 1>It was like Crocodile Dundee almost has a Yeah, the

0:55:24.360 --> 0:55:26.360
<v Speaker 1>first half when they're in Australia has a lot of

0:55:26.400 --> 0:55:28.840
<v Speaker 1>timeless feel because there's all out back, so you accept that.

0:55:28.840 --> 0:55:30.919
<v Speaker 1>But when he goes to New York and he goes

0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:33.200
<v Speaker 1>you know that the parties where they're playing mentals and anything,

0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:36.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, live it up and you know, you got

0:55:36.239 --> 0:55:39.400
<v Speaker 1>the shoulder pads and that's where you know it starts feeling.

0:55:39.280 --> 0:55:41.800
<v Speaker 2>I've forgotten that. And then the second one, this is

0:55:42.080 --> 0:55:44.040
<v Speaker 2>like tough streak gangs, isn't there?

0:55:44.120 --> 0:55:44.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:55:44.480 --> 0:55:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the second one. And here's a question for you.

0:55:46.600 --> 0:55:49.040
<v Speaker 2>We were talking about this on radio recently. Who is

0:55:49.160 --> 0:55:53.759
<v Speaker 2>the most Eighties person, the most eighties looking person in

0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:57.279
<v Speaker 2>an eighties movie? Ah, I know it's a tough one

0:55:57.320 --> 0:55:58.080
<v Speaker 2>to just spring on you.

0:55:58.080 --> 0:56:01.239
<v Speaker 1>You know, you know, we're My mind went straight away

0:56:01.360 --> 0:56:07.320
<v Speaker 1>was Anthony McCarthy, Anthony manequin and oh yes, Andrew mccas

0:56:07.360 --> 0:56:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Andrew McCarthy from Pretty and Pink almost some reason. I'm

0:56:11.640 --> 0:56:15.439
<v Speaker 1>not sure if that's my absolute answer, but that's where

0:56:15.440 --> 0:56:16.359
<v Speaker 1>my mind went to. First.

0:56:16.360 --> 0:56:20.279
<v Speaker 2>Here's the one I thought of, Robert Downey Junior in

0:56:21.040 --> 0:56:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Back to School with Rodney Dangerfield.

0:56:23.160 --> 0:56:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Take a hakee, you elitist fraternity scumbag.

0:56:26.840 --> 0:56:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Now you might not be getting a picture of that

0:56:28.800 --> 0:56:31.480
<v Speaker 2>right now, but if you google that, if you google

0:56:32.080 --> 0:56:37.080
<v Speaker 2>it's the most eighties outfit here, sort of mascara everything.

0:56:37.320 --> 0:56:40.480
<v Speaker 2>That's that's my favorite eighties looking character. That.

0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:42.920
<v Speaker 1>It was great, Hey, before we let you go, we

0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:45.879
<v Speaker 1>direct again. Bad Eggs was a wonderful movie. Go check

0:56:45.920 --> 0:56:48.839
<v Speaker 1>it out if you haven't already. There was such a great,

0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:51.360
<v Speaker 1>great thing I remember thinking for many years later afterwards like,

0:56:51.560 --> 0:56:53.239
<v Speaker 1>when's only going to make another one? Well?

0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:56.800
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I've written a few. I've written for the

0:56:56.920 --> 0:56:59.279
<v Speaker 2>last three or four years, I've been trying to get

0:56:59.360 --> 0:57:02.080
<v Speaker 2>and this is in saying don't do this everyone. I've

0:57:02.120 --> 0:57:05.160
<v Speaker 2>been trying to get a stop motion animation film made,

0:57:05.280 --> 0:57:07.880
<v Speaker 2>but very few people are aside from the people who

0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:11.919
<v Speaker 2>do Wallace and Grommet, and where's very few people set

0:57:12.040 --> 0:57:14.880
<v Speaker 2>up for stop motion. Trying to get one made is

0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:18.400
<v Speaker 2>as slow and painstaking as making a stop motion film.

0:57:18.840 --> 0:57:23.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm hopefully directing a web series, so that's that's how

0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I've lowered my sites. But I've got some friend of

0:57:27.000 --> 0:57:29.600
<v Speaker 2>mine's written some great scripts that we're hoping to make

0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:33.240
<v Speaker 2>a web series early in twenty twenty one, assuming that

0:57:33.320 --> 0:57:36.200
<v Speaker 2>we'll be able to what was current goings on?

0:57:36.440 --> 0:57:38.080
<v Speaker 1>What was your experience with bad Aggs? What did you

0:57:38.720 --> 0:57:40.640
<v Speaker 1>what did you learn? Because I remember, like im even

0:57:40.680 --> 0:57:42.280
<v Speaker 1>asking you like in probably like five years out the

0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Bad Eggs, are you going to do another one? And

0:57:44.960 --> 0:57:46.760
<v Speaker 1>when I made we made I Love You Too. I

0:57:46.800 --> 0:57:48.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't direct I Love You Too, but we made it

0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:51.720
<v Speaker 1>that in twenty ten, Yes, and I remember I asked,

0:57:51.800 --> 0:57:53.600
<v Speaker 1>was you know? And even the years since then I've

0:57:53.680 --> 0:57:55.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of gone. They're really hard to make.

0:57:55.680 --> 0:57:59.560
<v Speaker 2>It's such a massive undertaking. I mean that was even

0:57:59.640 --> 0:58:02.320
<v Speaker 2>though it came together quite quickly. It's probably two or

0:58:02.360 --> 0:58:05.800
<v Speaker 2>three years work for something goes ninety eight minutes. Yeah, yeah,

0:58:06.000 --> 0:58:08.920
<v Speaker 2>And it's such a huge amount of work. And it

0:58:09.080 --> 0:58:10.840
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a huge hit when it came out. It did

0:58:10.920 --> 0:58:14.600
<v Speaker 2>all right, but it had come out after Crackerjack, which

0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:16.720
<v Speaker 2>was a massive success, so it was seen as not

0:58:16.920 --> 0:58:19.960
<v Speaker 2>being right, you know. It was seen as a disappointment.

0:58:20.040 --> 0:58:25.400
<v Speaker 2>But it's funny. It just kept selling overseas and money

0:58:25.560 --> 0:58:27.760
<v Speaker 2>just kept coming in to the point where eventually broke

0:58:27.880 --> 0:58:29.800
<v Speaker 2>even and then it started to go into profit. I

0:58:29.840 --> 0:58:32.400
<v Speaker 2>couldn't believe it, and it was I going, what's happening.

0:58:32.440 --> 0:58:34.640
<v Speaker 2>It's not out, it's not even on. You can't even

0:58:34.680 --> 0:58:37.240
<v Speaker 2>get DVDs, And they go, oh, Portugal have gone man

0:58:37.360 --> 0:58:37.560
<v Speaker 2>for it.

0:58:37.720 --> 0:58:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's really funny. I Love You, I Love you too. Well,

0:58:42.120 --> 0:58:43.560
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of weird because you kind of put this

0:58:43.640 --> 0:58:45.360
<v Speaker 1>film out and then the goods goes that you almost

0:58:45.440 --> 0:58:47.800
<v Speaker 1>hand it over, Yes, the distribit is kind to take

0:58:47.840 --> 0:58:51.000
<v Speaker 1>it over, and it has this weird life like I

0:58:51.080 --> 0:58:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Love You Too. It was like number two for quite

0:58:52.840 --> 0:58:56.760
<v Speaker 1>a while in Russia. Wow, you know, and then it

0:58:56.840 --> 0:58:59.680
<v Speaker 1>did quite well at the Israeli Film Festival.

0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:03.920
<v Speaker 2>You've got in that film, You've got Peter Dinklin. Is

0:59:03.960 --> 0:59:04.640
<v Speaker 2>there anyone else?

0:59:04.680 --> 0:59:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Instowski?

0:59:05.720 --> 0:59:07.960
<v Speaker 2>There you go? So we didn't. The biggest name we

0:59:08.080 --> 0:59:11.320
<v Speaker 2>had internationally speaking was Bill Hunter, and even Bill Hunter

0:59:11.520 --> 0:59:14.720
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a household So it's always amazing to me where

0:59:14.880 --> 0:59:18.040
<v Speaker 2>it's like we heard Bad Eggs was doing really well

0:59:18.120 --> 0:59:21.800
<v Speaker 2>in Germany, making me the comedy version of David Hasselhoff.

0:59:23.840 --> 0:59:28.439
<v Speaker 2>In Germany, it's called mits volum ainsartz, which apparently means

0:59:28.520 --> 0:59:31.240
<v Speaker 2>with extreme force or something to that effect.

0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:32.720
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe you did. You mentioned this earlier when

0:59:32.720 --> 0:59:35.720
<v Speaker 1>we were talking about retitling.

0:59:35.320 --> 0:59:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Exactly exactly, because I just go, what does Bob Franklin's

0:59:38.960 --> 0:59:41.400
<v Speaker 2>voice sound like in German? Although it's funny. Have you

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<v Speaker 2>seen your film dubbed into another? That's always a very

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<v Speaker 2>odd experience.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I have. Actually, i've seen posters for

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<v Speaker 1>it in foreign languages, which is unfortunately I wasn't able

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<v Speaker 1>to get my hands on any of them. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>one post, if a post it would have been the

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<v Speaker 1>one in Russian.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, what about the jokes that you're going,

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<v Speaker 2>what are they? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>And Germans particular one too, because they Eddie Isar talks

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<v Speaker 1>about it. The way they the syntax and the way

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<v Speaker 1>they sent they structure their sentences is kind of almost

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite the way we do it. So comedy has

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<v Speaker 1>got to German. Germans have ad a weird relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>English comedy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's a very and in my film it's

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<v Speaker 2>a very dry sort of those Bob Franklin lines. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't imagine what I really I would love to hear

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<v Speaker 2>and as well exactly, Oh yeah, I must get the

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<v Speaker 2>German version at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you. You can be my wingman. Anytime I'll

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<v Speaker 1>meet of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get the jukebox fired up. We can do a

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<v Speaker 2>little dance number.

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<v Speaker 1>That was so much fun. Tony Martin was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the first people I dreamed about getting when I thought

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<v Speaker 1>of this podcast, and I even had emails from people saying,

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<v Speaker 1>please get Tony Martin, and people were fascinated with what

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<v Speaker 1>movie he made Choose. I know somebody had emailed me saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he's seen everything. He'd probably be impossible for

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<v Speaker 1>him to nominate a movie. Well it wasn't Top Gun.

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<v Speaker 2>There it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Tony was a bit nervous. He told me afterwards about

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<v Speaker 1>coming in and knowing he didn't particularly enjoy the film.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, that's what this is. It's yes, it's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I hope this is a celebration of film,

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<v Speaker 1>but not everyone who's gonna love every film they watch him.

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest, I had a bit of a hunch

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<v Speaker 1>that Tony Martin may not love Top Gun the way

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<v Speaker 1>many people have before him. So fantastic. Tony is an

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<v Speaker 1>absolute genius and sizzletown check that out his podcast It

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<v Speaker 1>is one hell of a ride and in Bad Eggs.

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<v Speaker 1>Go check out and find Bad Eggs to watch from

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and three, starring mc malloy above, Franklin and

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<v Speaker 1>Judith Lucy, directed and written by Tone. So thanks again, Tony.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Derek Mais my podcast manager at Casaway Studios. If

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<v Speaker 1>you want to see me an email Yasny Podcast at

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<v Speaker 1>gmail dot com. Thank you for all the emails coming through.

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<v Speaker 1>I have loved them, so I hope you did enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>this Christmas episode. If you ain't seen nothing yet, next

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<v Speaker 1>week on the show, we have a great comedian tearing

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<v Speaker 1>it up. He has a Netflix special out now check

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<v Speaker 1>it out. It is Rehys Nicholson. He is brilliant and

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<v Speaker 1>loves his cinema. And he'll be checking out Rosemary's Baby,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll be watching also for the first time. I

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<v Speaker 1>look forward to that, Rees Nicholson. And you ain't seen

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<v Speaker 1>nothing yet with Rosemary's Baby until then. Bye. And so

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<v Speaker 1>we leave all Pete save Van sul and to our

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<v Speaker 1>friends of the radio audience, we've been a pleasant good name.