Speaker 1: Good Apeter Hally here, Welcome to You, and Seeing Nothing
Speaker 1: Yet the movie podcast, where I chat to a movie
Speaker 1: lover about a classic or beloved movie they haven't quite
Speaker 1: got around to watching until now. And today's guest comedian
Speaker 1: Tony Martin.
Speaker 2: Oh, Christmas isn't just today, It's a frame of mine.
Speaker 3: Oh oh, sounds like someone needs to singer Christmas, Carol.
Speaker 1: Very Christmas.
Speaker 2: You're fealthy animals.
Speaker 3: It wouldn't happening right, See nothing.
Speaker 1: New quite simply think Tony Martin is one of the
Speaker 1: most revered comedians in Australia. There wouldn't be many of
Speaker 1: us who wouldn't consider Tony either an influence or an
Speaker 1: inspiration from the d Generation to the Late Show for
Speaker 1: Martin Maloy to get this. Tony is an author, a
Speaker 1: stand up comedian, a podcaster. His series Sizzletown is Magnificent.
Speaker 1: Tony also wrote and directed two thousand and three is
Speaker 1: Hilarious movie Bad Eggs. The amazing thing about Tony is
Speaker 1: how prolific he is, but how he keeps his bar
Speaker 1: always very high.
Speaker 2: Tony Martin, Hello everyone, I'm Tony Martin. Three of my
Speaker 2: favorite films would be This is Spinal Tax.
Speaker 3: It's a fine line between stupid and clever.
Speaker 2: Turn about singing in the rain.
Speaker 1: This California Do is just a little heavier than usual.
Speaker 2: Tonight really and Midnight run.
Speaker 1: These sunglasses, they're really nice. Are the government issue that
Speaker 1: all you guys got like to the re stored again.
Speaker 2: But up until three nights ago, I had never seen
Speaker 2: Top Gun.
Speaker 1: It's noisy, it's bombastic, it's patriotic, and featuring Tom Cruise.
Speaker 1: Top Gun may just be the most American film of
Speaker 1: all time. The US Navy's Top Fighter pilots had the
Speaker 1: San Diego to play beach volleyball, hang out in their underwear,
Speaker 1: and played tonsil hockey with their teachers. Will Maverick and
Speaker 1: Goose take out the Top Gun title and live to
Speaker 1: tell the story. Let's find out if Tony Marttin felt
Speaker 1: the need the need for speed?
Speaker 2: Peter, can I just ask it? People have been coming
Speaker 2: on this podcast. Do they generally like the film they
Speaker 2: haven't seen?
Speaker 1: There's been a couple, there's been Rachel cor but did
Speaker 1: not necessarily love Castaway. Matt Preston had in a bit
Speaker 1: of an ishie some issues with Get Out. Oh good,
Speaker 1: So I'm sending I'm sending a vibe.
Speaker 2: Well, I went down the list of films that other
Speaker 2: people have done, and it's like, it's all my favorite films.
Speaker 2: It's Apocalypse, Now, The Godfather with Nila and I, Heat
Speaker 2: Star Wars, Jaws, and then I've realized I've seen all those.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: The idea is you have to see a film you
Speaker 2: haven't seen. And if I haven't seen a film, it's
Speaker 2: usually because I know I'm not gonna like it. And
Speaker 2: I was proved correct here and I'm sorry. I know
Speaker 2: this is a celebration of cinema, and I know some
Speaker 2: people have maybe clicked on this and gone it'll be
Speaker 2: an affectionate reminisce of one of my favorite films. And
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to be the bad guy in this one.
Speaker 1: I'm afraid you are the villain. You are the Iceman, my.
Speaker 2: God, the Iceman. Every time I saw Val Kilma, I
Speaker 2: kept thinking, I wish I was watching Top Secret and
Speaker 2: not Top Gun. I wish Nick Rivers would come out
Speaker 2: and do a number.
Speaker 1: Top Secret was his very debut film.
Speaker 2: I love Top Secret.
Speaker 1: It's such a good I prefer that over the Flying High.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm from New Zealand, we call it airplane.
Speaker 1: You got the airplane, which is the American.
Speaker 2: It was only in Australia it was called Flying High.
Speaker 1: I'm always curious as to why those decisions get made.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's often. I actually someone told me with Airplane
Speaker 2: it was because they were worried that Australians would confuse
Speaker 2: it with one of the airport movies that it was
Speaker 2: setting up. And you go, well, it wasn't a problem
Speaker 2: in America. They often do change the name, like I
Speaker 2: remember Harry and the Hendersons became Bigfoot and the Henderson's
Speaker 2: for Australia. Yes, Howard the Duck. I have a lot
Speaker 2: of these in my brain. Howard the Duck. Though it
Speaker 2: was such a disaster, they called it Howard dot dot
Speaker 2: dot a new kind of Hero. And then he was
Speaker 2: only in silhouette, but it clearly a duck, like it
Speaker 2: was a duck shaped silhouette. There was no disguising that
Speaker 2: Howard the New kind of Hero was a duck, sorry,
Speaker 2: a new breed of hero.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the other going the other way. Mad Max,
Speaker 1: of course was became road Warrior.
Speaker 2: The second one became Robot. Was that last one was
Speaker 2: mad still Mad Max? Right? The second one was just
Speaker 2: called the Road Warrior. But with the first one, didn't
Speaker 2: they redouble the voices because no one could understand. I
Speaker 2: would love to hear that version.
Speaker 1: That would be amazing. Who I wonder who would play
Speaker 1: in the early eighties, who would play Max?
Speaker 2: Sorry? Planes going overhead? I think, are we under the
Speaker 2: fly recording this podcast? I didn't think so this could
Speaker 2: be we may have to interrupt the iceman buzzing us.
Speaker 1: It's requested a fly by Derek. Did you get it?
Speaker 1: They didn't get it. There was no request made. My
Speaker 1: copy copies have lids on them, thank god.
Speaker 2: Oh good exactly. I'm jumping all around here because I've
Speaker 2: had a couple of coffees. That bloke who kept spilling
Speaker 2: his coffee. That was my favorite part of the film
Speaker 2: because I kept thinking, if this was a Zucker Brothers
Speaker 2: airplane style parody, and there was one, wasn't there hot
Speaker 2: hot shots? Ye? They would just have that guy spilling
Speaker 2: his coffee in every seed. That was one of the
Speaker 2: few bits I enjoyed.
Speaker 1: Well, let's come back to Top Gun because obviously there's
Speaker 1: a lot, or maybe very little to discuss, but your
Speaker 1: three favorite films, some classic films. Let's start with Spinal Tap.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Spiral Tap is. I mean, it's sort of
Speaker 2: maybe lost its power a little bit because everyone knows
Speaker 2: every bit of it. But I'm old enough to remember
Speaker 2: when it first came out, and there had never been
Speaker 2: a fake documentary. There had been. I think Woody Allen's
Speaker 2: Take the Money and Run is maybe the first movie
Speaker 2: that presents itself as a documentary, as a fake documentary,
Speaker 2: but it's clearly a comedy sketch. But the acting in
Speaker 2: Spinal Tap is because his improvise is so realistic. I
Speaker 2: remember people, and this has become a cliche to say this,
Speaker 2: but I saw it at Brisbane University in eighty five,
Speaker 2: I think, and I remember people coming out confused and
Speaker 2: I heard a woman go, why would they make a
Speaker 2: film about such a mediocre band? And because the acting
Speaker 2: was so naturalistic, it wasn't like The Rattles where it's
Speaker 2: clearly scripted. Yes, people just hadn't seen a fake documentary
Speaker 2: that was realistic before. And then you're going, but the
Speaker 2: drummers were exploding. That's the one thing in that film
Speaker 2: that like Zucker Brothers style, but everything else is realistic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dumpy's replacement Peter James Barne. He also died in
Speaker 3: mysterious circumstances. We were playing a festival, jazz blues festival
Speaker 3: when that blues jazz, really blues jazz festival.
Speaker 1: It was in the Isle of Lucy and it was
Speaker 1: tragic really he exploded on stage.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that blew me. I mean it was. It's
Speaker 2: funny when you watch spinal Tap now, it's like you're
Speaker 2: watching the best of spinal Tap, because every bit of
Speaker 2: it is a classic bit.
Speaker 1: Have you listened to the DVD commentary oh with them
Speaker 1: as the band? Yeah, yeah, and that's pointing out all
Speaker 1: the extodrast who had been now.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly and claiming they were tricked. They've only used
Speaker 2: all the bad stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to imagine a comedy or think
Speaker 1: of a comedy that's had more of an influence if
Speaker 1: you think now, obviously Christopher Guests well sorry, I mean
Speaker 1: Christopher Guess was was, you know, but he went under
Speaker 1: make all these great films with Waiting for Guffman and
Speaker 1: Best in Show. But obviously Ricky Gervais with the Office,
Speaker 1: which is the UK and the US version, maybe the
Speaker 1: biggest sitcoms of recent times wouldn't exist. I don't think
Speaker 1: without spinal tap.
Speaker 2: No, the fake docco sort of thing. The and the office.
Speaker 2: The office though had a new What I loved about
Speaker 2: the offices. Remember they would have scenes where they didn't
Speaker 2: know they were being filmed and they would be slightly different.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, the anting was slightly yeah yeah, but
Speaker 2: spinal tap is Yeah, there's another cliches every band, like
Speaker 2: when we were doing Martin Molloy, literally every musician who
Speaker 2: came in, we go, what do you think of spinal tap?
Speaker 2: And they their faces would fall. I remember Status Quo going,
Speaker 2: it's just a documentary about us, and every band didn't
Speaker 2: matter who it was, somehow thought that it was about them.
Speaker 2: And I remember we had Harry Sheer on the show
Speaker 2: we go who is it about? And he said that
Speaker 2: he in research for it, had gone on tour with
Speaker 2: a band called Saxon Heavy Metal Man. I don't even
Speaker 2: remember Saxon, So there's an element of that. And Christopher Guest,
Speaker 2: I think, is clearly playing Jeff Beck, the guitarist. It's
Speaker 2: pretty much an impression of him.
Speaker 1: I have a similar story Tony. I played a character
Speaker 1: called Strawny for and I was invited to play at
Speaker 1: the mcg for a charity cricket match actually for the
Speaker 1: Shane Warn Foundation, and I found and a few people
Speaker 1: came up to me, and because the crickets spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time overseas, so they went really some of
Speaker 1: them weren't as a cross drawing and some of the others.
Speaker 1: So a lot of them thought I was just taking
Speaker 1: the piece out of Warning, and a few I came
Speaker 1: out here came up to me and it's just like
Speaker 1: you're taking a piece out of warning and its warning.
Speaker 2: To this moment, I never realized that it rhymed. It
Speaker 2: was it partly that it was.
Speaker 1: A complete coincidence. So and I found out later that
Speaker 1: Warning had kind of like maybe had thought it was
Speaker 1: based on him, and it was just it was a coincidence.
Speaker 1: Somebody else came up with the name. Paul Collegia came
Speaker 1: up with the name, the initial idea of doing it,
Speaker 1: and and it was a complete coincidence. And it was
Speaker 1: more based on a Big Brother contestant, not a specific
Speaker 1: Big Brother contestant, but the idea if a Big Brother contestant,
Speaker 1: you know, got drafted into the AFL, he'd be more
Speaker 1: obsessed with the fame than he actually would be doing
Speaker 1: the work. So yeah, I know how Harry Sheier feels.
Speaker 2: I love the fact that no one can spell Strawny,
Speaker 2: and I've always felt that that was you taking the
Speaker 2: pins out of how no one can spell your name.
Speaker 2: To this day, still see Hellier spelled incorrectly.
Speaker 1: It is I've been to a venue where I'm performing
Speaker 1: to a thousand people and my name is misspelled at
Speaker 1: the front. Really yeah, wow, It's just if I get
Speaker 1: an email requested me to do something now and my
Speaker 1: name is incorrectly, I don't, I don't do it.
Speaker 2: Well. We I talked about this many times, but I
Speaker 2: worked with Sado Claro for years, and when you work
Speaker 2: in radio, you get sent invitations to things, and he
Speaker 2: had a wall of misspellings of his name over five years.
Speaker 2: It was just wallpaper. Our favorite was Snatto Goro. To
Speaker 2: this day, if I have to introduce him on a
Speaker 2: radio show, I'll bring him on as Snatto Goo.
Speaker 1: Singing in the Rain I saw. I saw this when
Speaker 1: I was very young, and I don't have the you know,
Speaker 1: the muscle memory call back, particularly to their Singing in
Speaker 1: the Rain. But what does it mean to you?
Speaker 2: It's a musical and it's full of amazing dance numbers,
Speaker 2: tap dancing numbers with Gene Kelly and everyone knows make
Speaker 2: them laugh. But what makes it still work is it's
Speaker 2: the comedy. And it works because it's about a weirdly
Speaker 2: specific thing, which is the transition from silent movies to
Speaker 2: sound movies. Like even then, it must have been a
Speaker 2: weirdly specific thing to do a big budget Hollywood film about.
Speaker 2: And so it's about how these I mean, if you
Speaker 2: know anything about that era, there were all these huge
Speaker 2: movie stars who when sound came in, suddenly we're out
Speaker 2: of work because they had terrible voices. And so that's
Speaker 2: what this is about. And for the first couple of
Speaker 2: years of sound cinema, they didn't have the boom microphone.
Speaker 2: They would have the microphone would be enormous and would
Speaker 2: be hidden inside a vase of flowers. Everyone would have
Speaker 2: to go and stand and sort of lean suspiciously towards
Speaker 2: a vase of flowers in order to be recorded. And
Speaker 2: all of these weird quirks of that are in the film.
Speaker 2: And so it's really modern. So the comedy of Singing
Speaker 2: in the Rain is still really modern. It's like a
Speaker 2: it's like a Larry Sanders Show almost from nineteen fifty
Speaker 2: two or whenever.
Speaker 1: I'll have to be really great, I'll have to revisit that.
Speaker 2: The problem is people I think, no, they just think, oh,
Speaker 2: it's a shitty old musical. And I remember they did
Speaker 2: a stage show of it a couple of years ago
Speaker 2: in Melbourne and we had the guy I was doing
Speaker 2: Nova Breakfast and we had the guy who was the
Speaker 2: lead who was who is he? The guy from Bootman
Speaker 2: and Coyote Ugly And so he comes on the show
Speaker 2: and I told him a story that Ross Noble had
Speaker 2: told me, Am, I getting too far off.
Speaker 1: The traw r. No, No, this is what is part
Speaker 1: of the all about it, and we've only got top
Speaker 1: gunder this.
Speaker 2: Gus Well, there was this yeah, if we can stave
Speaker 2: that off as long as possible, Peter. But there was
Speaker 2: a stage musical of Singing in the Rain and it
Speaker 2: was done in the West End of London, and obviously
Speaker 2: it had to rain on stage, so they had a
Speaker 2: giant tank of water over the stage and then it
Speaker 2: would rain down and then it would drain away and
Speaker 2: then fill up again at the top. Ross Noble told
Speaker 2: me that the actor who was the lead in the
Speaker 2: West End was so hated by everyone in acting in
Speaker 2: London that every night actors from all over the West
Speaker 2: End would come to piss in the rain tank. Really
Speaker 2: famous nights would be climbing up into the top of
Speaker 2: the theater to take a piece in the rain tank.
Speaker 1: So it was Dame Judy Dan.
Speaker 2: She had a crack. And I was telling this to
Speaker 2: this guy, Adam Garcia, who was coming on to Melbourt,
Speaker 2: and you could just see his face going, who have
Speaker 2: I offended? And he was genuinely shaken.
Speaker 1: I love the idea of that being in his head.
Speaker 4: In everyman, What a glorious feeling I'm carving in, What
Speaker 4: a wonderful and warm feeling.
Speaker 1: Midnight Run. For some reason, I I'm aware that you
Speaker 1: love me Night Run, and I'm not surprised at this sta.
Speaker 2: The reason I always bring it up is that back
Speaker 2: in the era of video shops, because I was known
Speaker 2: from the radio as being a film nerd if I
Speaker 2: was ever in a video shop, like on a Friday
Speaker 2: or Saturday night, I would every time be approached by people,
Speaker 2: what should we get? We can't find anything. All the
Speaker 2: new all the cards are in the new releases that
Speaker 2: they want you know, not available, and my go to
Speaker 2: was always Midnight Run because it's a film, possibly just
Speaker 2: because of the blandness of its name, A lot of
Speaker 2: people haven't seen it. It wasn't a huge hit when
Speaker 2: it came out, but it is. It's my most fail
Speaker 2: safe film in that I've never met anyone who doesn't
Speaker 2: like it.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 2: It just works every time.
Speaker 1: It's de Niro and Charles g Yeah, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's funny, isn't it Well? And I've never thought
Speaker 1: of it like that, but maybe that the name just
Speaker 1: kind of got lost. I mean, it's got Robert de
Speaker 1: Niro in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people they're not sure if they've seen it or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder why do you get confused with Midnight
Speaker 1: Cowboy or Midnight Express not expressed.
Speaker 2: That's dangerous. It's not a fun Saturday night.
Speaker 1: Come on kids. Tony Martin recommended.
Speaker 2: He says it's hilarious. Oh dear, what did what.
Speaker 1: Did growing up in New Zealand? What did the movies
Speaker 1: mean to you? Did you you know? Did you were
Speaker 1: you were?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I imagine you went a lot.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was this. It was all about the
Speaker 2: Saturday matinee one thirty. You would just go every week,
Speaker 2: no matter what was on. And I was trying to
Speaker 2: remember recently what the first Do you remember what the
Speaker 2: first film you saw?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Pirate Movie really.
Speaker 2: The Australian Christopher and Chrissy McNichol.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, And I saw it at Greensboro twin
Speaker 1: and I remember mostly because I got they used to
Speaker 1: do the tie in at the candy store, the tie in,
Speaker 1: you know, promotions and a candy treasure treasure chest. I
Speaker 1: remember that as much as I remember the movie. I
Speaker 1: have seen it since it's not great.
Speaker 2: It's not great.
Speaker 1: Let Nickki Brittain came in and highlighted it is one
Speaker 1: of her favorite films.
Speaker 2: Pardon me, I think we wanted. I didn't see it,
Speaker 2: but I remember being excited by it coming out because
Speaker 2: Norman Gunston was in Norman he was in there. But
Speaker 2: the first film I saw was it was a compilation
Speaker 2: movie of Charlie Chaplin shorts. My grandmother took me to that,
Speaker 2: so it wasn't a proper film, but it was amazing
Speaker 2: because we didn't even have TV at that point, so
Speaker 2: it is weird to see a movie having never seen TV. Wow, Like,
Speaker 2: it's just the first images. The cutting is confusing, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, it's going to a different angle
Speaker 2: and I'm like four seeing that. But the first proper
Speaker 2: film I saw it, This is insane that we were
Speaker 2: taken to. This was Fantastic Voyage. Do you remember that.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: Fantastic Voyage is a science fiction movie from the mid
Speaker 2: sixties where a whole lot of scientists are shrunk down
Speaker 2: to microscopic level and put into a spaceship which is
Speaker 2: injected into the blood stream of diplomat who's about to
Speaker 2: die so they can destroy all the cancer cells that
Speaker 2: are going to kill him. So this is the plot
Speaker 2: of the film. People are shrunk down and injected into
Speaker 2: someone in a tiny spaceship and so they're battling red
Speaker 2: blood cells and antibodies and stuff like that. So that
Speaker 2: is like and it's kaleidoscopic and sixties good. It was amazing.
Speaker 2: I was terrified by it. I'm going on, what if
Speaker 2: we all got shrunk down?
Speaker 1: What would the cat do?
Speaker 2: But what I always remember is we would suit with
Speaker 2: my uncle and one of the people who's shrunk down
Speaker 2: is rack El Well you know who that is. Yes,
Speaker 2: it was the actress famous for having large breasts. I
Speaker 2: remember Michaelekay, Well she's been shucked down to microscopic size,
Speaker 2: but there's still bloody here. That was. That was a
Speaker 2: big joke at our house for many years. But yeah,
Speaker 2: fantastic voyage. I got it recently on Blu Ray, and
Speaker 2: of course it's nowhere as impressive as it seemed what
Speaker 2: I was four.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I get the impression some movies are only released
Speaker 1: on Blue Ray. For Tony Martin, We're still there's still
Speaker 1: some of them saying you there. I still got to
Speaker 1: I realized recently I still have a VHS player I was.
Speaker 1: I'm told they're very hard to come by. I imagine
Speaker 1: it's probably worth quite a bit. It's weird. Now they'll
Speaker 1: come back into vogue. My kids have asked for record
Speaker 1: players for Christmas. In my eighteen and sixteen year old
Speaker 1: there as for a record players. So when we was
Speaker 1: buying them records, which I'm not sure if they know
Speaker 1: how annoying records. Yeah, I mean I do love records,
Speaker 1: and I've come and gotten back back into them. But
Speaker 1: when you have to get up every sixteen minutes, yeah,
Speaker 1: change our sides.
Speaker 2: You know who thought we would long enough to see
Speaker 2: the record section be larger than the CD section at
Speaker 2: JBHI five.
Speaker 1: That is that is incredible. Often in this podcast has
Speaker 1: come up where people's favorite films are often the films
Speaker 1: they taped off the TV I had on VHS? Was
Speaker 1: that like a large part, you know, a large thing?
Speaker 2: I think, so I remember, yeah, I remember VHS coming in.
Speaker 2: And I actually worked at a at an army surplus
Speaker 2: store that had a what do you call it home
Speaker 2: appliance department, and they had the first VHS machines, and
Speaker 2: this is like nineteen eighty one, and what I would
Speaker 2: do is I would tape there was a sketch comedy
Speaker 2: show called Not the Nine o'clock News with Rowan Atkinson,
Speaker 2: and I would set the machine in the window of
Speaker 2: the shop to tape it, and then I would get
Speaker 2: in early the next morning, like at six in the
Speaker 2: morning and set up a second VHS player and record
Speaker 2: the sketches over onto a compilation tape. I was making
Speaker 2: over several months of just the good sketches from that show,
Speaker 2: and you'd have to pause, like if I don't know
Speaker 2: if anyone would even remember doing this making compilation tapes.
Speaker 2: So the VHS was like, yes, you have to. There
Speaker 2: was an art to it because depending on how far
Speaker 2: into the tape you were, you would have to hit
Speaker 2: pause earlier yes or unpaused to make the edits seamless.
Speaker 2: This is such a nerdic diversion. Pardon me, my my.
Speaker 1: We went to a market, the bunder or Weather market
Speaker 1: at near where I lived, and it was my brother's
Speaker 1: my brother's friend's birthday. My brother's four years older than me,
Speaker 1: and and my brother wasn't there. The mom said they
Speaker 1: had all these pirated tapes, cassette tapes, right, and one
Speaker 1: of them was Jimmy Barnes's freight Train hert and my
Speaker 1: mum saw it and it was like like three bucks
Speaker 1: back then, you know, you probably would have been twelve bucks,
Speaker 1: but it was like three or five bucks. So I said,
Speaker 1: I get going to get that, and then so she
Speaker 1: got so she we bought it. But and then she goes,
Speaker 1: it's Mark, my brother's birthday coming up. Why don't you
Speaker 1: tape it the freight train heart and we'll give it
Speaker 1: to Mark for his birthday as well. These are before
Speaker 1: the double deckings, so I actually had to play like
Speaker 1: get two stereos in the room, like two ghetto blasters
Speaker 1: in the room play Jimmy Barnes Freight Train hard on
Speaker 1: one and then this record on another. On the atmosphere
Speaker 1: around it, Dad was mowing the lawns.
Speaker 2: An answer birthday present. Wow, it would be great to
Speaker 2: hear that though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to have that.
Speaker 2: You should send it to Jimmy Bark send it to him.
Speaker 1: Where did you're telling that story? And you are very
Speaker 1: you are across that that. You know, you love compiling
Speaker 1: sketches and producing sketches, put them together and you and
Speaker 1: you work with the one for Matt Down's like, where
Speaker 1: did that love come from?
Speaker 2: Sketch? Well, I was just a mad It's funny because
Speaker 2: sketch comedy goes in and out of fashion. I mean
Speaker 2: you were in issue was the one you get Skihouse
Speaker 2: and that was part of a remember there was like
Speaker 2: they were all chance.
Speaker 1: The sketch wars. Yeah, for some reason, all the networks
Speaker 1: the start of the do sketch comedy at the same time,
Speaker 1: which is a bit weird. That's Big Bite, Big Bite
Speaker 1: and Comedy, inc.
Speaker 2: And then and then it goes away for teen years
Speaker 2: and then it comes back. It was open Slaver and
Speaker 2: I don't know how successful that was, but that seems
Speaker 2: to have been the end except for black comedy. I
Speaker 2: guess there's just not a lot of straight up sketch
Speaker 2: comedy in It's right, yeah, and it goes out of fashion.
Speaker 1: It feels like it's it's heading in a you know,
Speaker 1: in a new direction, which I think is a positive
Speaker 1: direction in the way like Arnie Donna is yeah exactly,
Speaker 1: you know, is just killing it and comedy bang bang
Speaker 1: and that stuff. So yeah, it's all good. Now, all right,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's just compose ourselves, right we might we
Speaker 1: might take a word from our sponsor and come back
Speaker 1: and get into mav and goose. All right, Tony, Uh,
Speaker 1: what what did you know of Top Gun going in?
Speaker 2: I knew about the soundtrack album. I remember that a
Speaker 2: lot of people seem to have that. I knew there
Speaker 2: would be planes and warfare, and I remember being confused
Speaker 2: about what war was taking place. And that's one of
Speaker 2: the I think one of the worst aspects of the film.
Speaker 2: And the Enemy is just this ill defined. It's a
Speaker 2: very patriotic American film, but they don't have the guts
Speaker 2: to name the enemy they're taking on, or even show them.
Speaker 2: So there's some meg fighters at the beginning, but then
Speaker 2: it's never said what country they're from.
Speaker 1: It was Cannaba that you passed.
Speaker 2: And then at the end they're shooting them down like
Speaker 2: and then but you don't even see the pilots of
Speaker 2: the other play. It's very strange.
Speaker 1: It is extremely strange all of a sudden and like
Speaker 1: just off the coast of San Diego. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: so he's America being invaded. Like it's even the fact
Speaker 1: that there's there's danger so close to the United States.
Speaker 1: They don't seem to even pumped that up as a
Speaker 1: like this is no.
Speaker 2: It's sort of plotless. It's strangely plotless for an action film.
Speaker 1: Well, apparently they went in with quite a skeletal script.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that they kind of were
Speaker 1: working out as they were going going along. They famously
Speaker 1: had to come back. They did the test audiences, and
Speaker 1: they wanted more sex and more more I've seen the pecks.
Speaker 1: They came back and they re shot the sex scene,
Speaker 1: the silhouetted sex scene, and the reason and the and
Speaker 1: the scene in the elevator.
Speaker 2: Which where her here is a different color. Even though
Speaker 2: it was sort of under a baseball cat.
Speaker 1: That's because you were shooting a different movie. And Tom
Speaker 1: Cruise's hair he was shooting Color of Money, so his
Speaker 1: hair is longer in that scene, and then it's in
Speaker 1: silhouette because they were hiding those those things. Right.
Speaker 2: But you asked, what do I know of this film
Speaker 2: before I saw it? I have. I just remembered I
Speaker 2: actually knew this film largely through that famous scene with
Speaker 2: Quentin Tarantino. Do you know this scene? It'll be on
Speaker 2: YouTube's in Sleep with Her, Yes, Sleep with Me, Sleep
Speaker 2: with Me with Eric Stoltz. No one remembers that, NOILM.
Speaker 2: They just remember this scene that goes through about three
Speaker 2: minutes where a pretty kind of is it illegal for
Speaker 2: me to say? Coked up seeming Quentin Tarantino is at
Speaker 2: a party and he's too he's actually talking to the
Speaker 2: bloke who directed that film in the bedroom. There's a
Speaker 2: trivia nerd moment and he's just giving his theory of
Speaker 2: the film top Gun, which he claims is a homo
Speaker 2: erotic text. And I have to say the film pretty
Speaker 2: much backs him up. I will say, all the volleyballs
Speaker 2: and how many scenes is Tom Cruise in his underpants?
Speaker 1: Well, scene. The scene that really got me was when
Speaker 1: when Viper's telling Maverick that, you know, like Goose's dad
Speaker 1: and consoling him, he's in his undies exactly. I think
Speaker 1: I've got that scene ready to go. Let's have let's
Speaker 1: listen to this. Mhm.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: All right, Ghosts is dead five jets long enough, something
Speaker 1: like this happens.
Speaker 2: Here's my real, my responsibility.
Speaker 1: My squad in Vietnam we lost eight of eighteen aircraft.
Speaker 3: Ten men.
Speaker 2: First want dies, you die too, but there will be others.
Speaker 1: You can count at it.
Speaker 4: You gotta let him go.
Speaker 1: You gotta let him go, just to remind of Tom
Speaker 1: Craizers and he's underway for that, and he's.
Speaker 2: There's very little chemistry between him and Viper and knowing
Speaker 2: Kelly bigill My girlfriend was watching a bit of it. Mean,
Speaker 2: she just at one point said, it's like she's his mum. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's so baby faced and young.
Speaker 1: Well interesting. On set, Kelly McGillis ended up hooking up
Speaker 1: with the pilot who played or the actor who played
Speaker 1: Wolfman r. Tom Chugg or something his name is, and
Speaker 1: but were worried that because she was calling for this
Speaker 1: other guy that the chemistry between him and her and
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise may suffer and maybe they're under something.
Speaker 2: Whether that scene in the lift, Tom Cruise is so
Speaker 2: clearly standing on a box because she's quite tall.
Speaker 1: Well she apparently did a lot of her scenes barefoot.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just and Goose as soon as Goose
Speaker 1: was benual. I was great to Steve Bisley from Mad
Speaker 1: Max on board. But what are those names they have?
Speaker 1: He's Maverick going? Was he named Maverick before or after?
Speaker 1: Was that just a coincidence that he is actually a Maverick?
Speaker 1: And what did I say about Goose?
Speaker 2: It's no very complimentary nickname. And then and and we're
Speaker 2: going all over the place, I know. But the thing
Speaker 2: about this film is I'm going, Okay, all of the
Speaker 2: scenes where people are talking are just rubbish. But I'll
Speaker 2: watch any film, an action film that's terrible if there's
Speaker 2: just four good action movies in it action scenes, and
Speaker 2: this they're all flying scenes. I barely could understand what
Speaker 2: was going on during the flying scenes. The flying scenes
Speaker 2: are essentially just watching the actors sitting in chairs with
Speaker 2: masks over there. Mostly they're only their eyes are visible.
Speaker 2: I could not tell who was who most of the
Speaker 2: time tries, Oh they've got their names on their bats, thankfully,
Speaker 2: and then you're just cutting to I was never sure
Speaker 2: spatially where all the planes were in relation to each other.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of turning around, looking over shoulders and
Speaker 1: looking around.
Speaker 2: The It did impress me. Is it all looked There
Speaker 2: was no dodgy green screen work. No, it all it's
Speaker 2: very beautifully filmed. Yeah, there's not a single shot in
Speaker 2: the film that looks like a special effect.
Speaker 1: What Appendagon got involved and let approve the script, which
Speaker 1: is why Cougar was originally supposed to die. And they said, no,
Speaker 1: it's too anti military, so too interesting, it's too interesting.
Speaker 1: So Cougar that shit's the bed now and now he
Speaker 1: flies I think for Rex.
Speaker 2: But well that opening scene, okay, so the opening scene
Speaker 2: is they're just flying around and these MiGs are on them,
Speaker 2: and then they have lines like oh it's locked on.
Speaker 2: But no one gets shot, no one gets blown out
Speaker 2: of the sky. It's quite anticlimactic. It's an actionless action scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's because there's no enemy until that weird enemy
Speaker 1: at the end. It's like it's basically they're playing paintball exactly.
Speaker 2: All the scenes. There's no stakes in any of the scenes.
Speaker 2: They're all just training exercises. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Really, And it's not like like Raging Bull, like every
Speaker 1: bount tells a story like and he shoots it differently.
Speaker 1: And with this you don't get the feeling that thought
Speaker 1: has gone into the action sequences and.
Speaker 2: The story such that it is is this kind of
Speaker 2: it's like out of a screenwriting computer. The thing about oh,
Speaker 2: his dad, what did you know? His dad had a
Speaker 2: he was a disgrace, and then Tom Skirit takes him beside.
Speaker 2: Na he wasn't really, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, and Tom Cruise's reaction is like, ah, okay, Tom Cruise.
Speaker 2: That's That's the other thing. How much smiling does he do?
Speaker 2: I know he's famous for. There's so much smiling from
Speaker 2: Tom Cruise. There's one scene where he's telling Kelly McGinnis
Speaker 2: about sorry Kelly McGillis not Kelly McGinnis, telling her about
Speaker 2: how his parents died, and he's grinning like an idiot
Speaker 2: all the way through that scene as well.
Speaker 1: It is the birth of Tom Cruise. He'd done the
Speaker 1: risky business.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I remember really liking.
Speaker 1: Yah, risky business is great. I think this is the
Speaker 1: he said This is the first character he just played
Speaker 1: which was larger than life, and I think he's obviously
Speaker 1: taken that and really run with it for the rest
Speaker 1: of his career, because Yeah, when you think of Tom Cruise,
Speaker 1: you do kind of think of these kind of bigger
Speaker 1: characters that he plays, but this is this. I think
Speaker 1: it's probably still the most famous Tom Cruise. Yeah, Jerey maguire, Mike,
Speaker 1: i'ma saying is the best, but it's I think it's good.
Speaker 1: Is great.
Speaker 2: People have sort of gone off it because of the
Speaker 2: overuse of the catchphrases from it, but it's a pretty
Speaker 2: good film.
Speaker 1: Jere McGuire. I think is a perfect date movie because
Speaker 1: you get you get all the sports staff, and you
Speaker 1: got the romance, and it's funny.
Speaker 2: It's funny too, And also is that the first one,
Speaker 2: I guess because Tom Cruise as soon as we put
Speaker 2: this on, a girlfriend goes, gee, do you think he's
Speaker 2: going to be cocky and arrogant throughout the film? And
Speaker 2: then that was sort of used for a long time
Speaker 2: as the Tom Cruise character, and then he's got interesting
Speaker 2: when he started to play failures and flawed characters like Magnolia. Well,
Speaker 2: Magnolia is a fascinating use of Yeah, his strange persona.
Speaker 1: Well, it's taking that cockiness and arrogance and making it interesting.
Speaker 2: And also it's one of the few times, well he
Speaker 2: plays a really horrible person, yeah, in a really interesting way.
Speaker 2: I think it was he Oscar nominated for the last thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and now he's sort of I don't know, he seems
Speaker 2: in very good shape for someone who's in his fifties. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I do enjoy those mission impossible films, but he's
Speaker 2: he's kind of more interesting as he's older, isn't he Like, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's very uninteresting in this film I found well, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it is the.
Speaker 1: Birth of Tom Cruise. You know he is. He arrives
Speaker 1: and you're right, he just smiles his way and you
Speaker 1: can imagine how excited they were, and they had to
Speaker 1: convince him. He said no a few times, and then
Speaker 1: they kind of took him up into it, you know,
Speaker 1: a megaan the flear around. He came down and said, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm doing the film, which is a great reason to
Speaker 1: do it because of a joy ride. But I reckon
Speaker 1: just to go back. I reckon. One of the one
Speaker 1: of the things that maybe you didn't like either on
Speaker 1: a conscious or subconscious level, is this is this is
Speaker 1: an AD? This this this whole ye, this is an
Speaker 1: AD for the military. And the enrollments into the navy
Speaker 1: skyrocketed after they was setting they were setting up recruiting
Speaker 1: booths outside cinemas and it was it was crazy. And
Speaker 1: Tony Scott directed this. Yes, who was an AD man exactly.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you think of that first sequence
Speaker 1: with the you know, the the sun, the planes, the
Speaker 1: megs or back lit by the sun. Ye, and it's
Speaker 1: an AD, it's danger zonly's playing and the.
Speaker 2: Sex scene is like a sort of Chanel number five commercial.
Speaker 2: The Scott brothers, yeah, they were from There was that
Speaker 2: generation of directors in England like Alan Parker who all
Speaker 2: came out of making ads in the seventies. Adrian Line, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Ridley Scott, Tony Scott, and Tony Scott I think had
Speaker 2: done the which is all shot like an AD.
Speaker 1: Which was a massive, massive failure. And he said he
Speaker 1: couldn't get worked for four years and this is the
Speaker 1: first one. And it's interesting consider he couldn't get work.
Speaker 1: What was it that Jerry Bruckheimer and Don Simpson saw
Speaker 1: in him? And it must have been that he knows
Speaker 1: how to shoot, and we want somebody who can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I've forgotten Don Simpson.
Speaker 1: Now what was his He had a horrible indig Don
Speaker 1: Simpson was apparently knee deeping coke and books. Halfway through filming,
Speaker 1: he enrolls himself in rehab, but then takes himself out
Speaker 1: of rehab, as someone who's knee deeping coken hookers sometimes
Speaker 1: tend to do. And then he goes back to set,
Speaker 1: stacks his car in the car park, and then storms
Speaker 1: into a production meeting, says, starts screaming, we're not shooting
Speaker 1: that scene, and this immediately starts. So jumps on a
Speaker 1: typewriter a computer and starts rewriting the scene.
Speaker 2: Oh right, so he's so he's one of the screenwriters.
Speaker 2: Who is the screenwright? I know someone's just called cat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Gus Cash or something. Apparently Tom Cruise takes a
Speaker 1: bit of credit, apparently for getting involved in the scripting stage.
Speaker 1: I think it feels like a movie where a few
Speaker 1: people had a bit of a crack out of but
Speaker 1: Don Don passed away with an overdose.
Speaker 2: I think ten years after, Oh goodness, I saw his
Speaker 2: name and the other name that really took me back
Speaker 2: to the eighties. In the opening credits was music by
Speaker 2: Harold Foaltermeyer, who of course did the music for another
Speaker 2: Brookheimer Beverly Hills cop Yes, the Axel f you know,
Speaker 2: oh well a bit of music and Fletch the music
Speaker 2: for Fletch.
Speaker 1: And Flash Dance as well, because that was another that
Speaker 1: was a Simpson brook Because one of the interest things
Speaker 1: about the soundtrack, because this was they kind of, i
Speaker 1: think created this kind of idea of having these you know,
Speaker 1: soundtracks as opposed to score and like really investing in
Speaker 1: the idea. I mean, you know, Rocky had you know,
Speaker 1: probably there Eida Tiger, but they would they would get
Speaker 1: they got p will in basically to audition and to
Speaker 1: submit songs for they said, I've written specifically, I mean
Speaker 1: you got Sitting on the Dock of the Bay and
Speaker 1: Great Balls of Fire obviously, you know, but they got
Speaker 1: people in to basically pitch songs and they had somebody
Speaker 1: else wrote danger Zone and they pitched at first to
Speaker 1: Toto and they knocked it back and then Speedwagon knocked
Speaker 1: it back.
Speaker 2: Stick Journey. How far down the list did they go?
Speaker 1: Rat Cat and then and then at landed with Kenny
Speaker 1: Loggins who had written the film the song for the
Speaker 1: beach volleyball scene playing with the boys. I think it's
Speaker 1: called and he just thought, everyone's going to try to
Speaker 1: write the song for the opening. I'm going to concentrate
Speaker 1: on this little beach ball beach volleyball scene that nobody's
Speaker 1: going to worry about. And yeah, score score him.
Speaker 2: There halfway I mean it starts sorry, halfway, what is it?
Speaker 2: Highway to the and and then we immediately go into
Speaker 2: a scene with very little danger whatsoever.
Speaker 1: The danger. Let's play paintball.
Speaker 2: I know I keep quoting my girlfriend, but here's something else.
Speaker 2: She said, Well, we're watching this film.
Speaker 1: She goes, this is the.
Speaker 2: Sort of film that Mac from Sonny would really like,
Speaker 2: you know, from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Yes, this
Speaker 2: is such a Mac film.
Speaker 1: It was a huge film, which I should point out
Speaker 1: it was the highest grossing film of ninet eighty six.
Speaker 1: Second only, sorry, first second was Crocodile Dundee. Really yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: which reminder how big Crocodile Dundee was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and here's something people forget about Crocodile Dundee. It
Speaker 2: was nominated for an Oscar for screenplay. Yes, and it
Speaker 2: was written by Paul Hogan and someone I'm fascinated by
Speaker 2: a man called Ken Shady. Isn't that such a great name?
Speaker 1: Is fantastic?
Speaker 2: He was a writer who I think wrote on Paul
Speaker 2: Hogan's TV shows. Got an Oscar nomination for Crocodile Dundee.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's ever been heard of since.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: I love that. I'm fascinated. Where is Ken Shady? There's
Speaker 2: a podcast that there's a serial style series. Okay, so
Speaker 2: I wrote down, So you're talking eighty six? So what
Speaker 2: was the number one? So Crocodile that and Platoon was
Speaker 2: through Platoon I wrote down. These were the films I
Speaker 2: liked in that year. There was This is How out
Speaker 2: of Touch I Am with the general Public? Lost in
Speaker 2: America was one of my favorite films from that year
Speaker 2: with Albert Brooks. Alb Brooks, Yeah, Repo Man. I think
Speaker 2: that might have been from a couple of years before,
Speaker 2: but I saw that. Then Aliens came out that year.
Speaker 2: That was a beauty, which is the sequel, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Alien?
Speaker 2: And After Hours? Martin Scorsese's After Hours and the Australian
Speaker 2: film Malcolm Malcolm's Great with a Car that splits some
Speaker 2: hard which really needs Highway to the danger zone playing.
Speaker 1: Underneath that deserves it more than Top Gun dos R.
Speaker 2: There is more action and excitement in Malcolm or suspense
Speaker 2: at least Top Gun. I'm sorry. I know those a
Speaker 2: lot of people who love Top Gun and probably furious
Speaker 2: at me right now. I apologize.
Speaker 1: I think there are films because I saw Top Gun
Speaker 1: in the cinema, I was like, Wow, this is pretty awes.
Speaker 2: Somebody would work better in the cinema. I'm guessing those
Speaker 2: playing scenes, it.
Speaker 1: Would absolutely And also I'm eleven years old, I'm not
Speaker 1: kind of seeing all the issues with the movie. But
Speaker 1: I think even if you love Top Gun, you are
Speaker 1: you are used to people taking the piss Yes, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you're in safe territory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, there are. I'm trying. I can't think
Speaker 2: of there's films I love that people just take the
Speaker 2: piss out of constantly you and you have to defend
Speaker 2: your own films. I live with someone who who has
Speaker 2: said she will never see a Star Wars film, so
Speaker 2: that's constantly, and it's very hard to get through a
Speaker 2: day without a Star Wars reference.
Speaker 1: Well, it's the thing that this is I think what
Speaker 1: surprised me most that you hadn't seen Top Gun because
Speaker 1: it feels like such a pop cultural kind of you know,
Speaker 1: because you know, yeah, and like sales and ray bands
Speaker 1: kind of went through to roof arth of this, you know,
Speaker 1: is kind of like impact. It's been parodied so many times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it when you know a film better from
Speaker 2: the parody from hot Shots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you know the line you know, I could
Speaker 1: tell you, but I would have to kill you came
Speaker 1: from top of it.
Speaker 2: From there. It's interesting because that is a line you
Speaker 2: hear in everything now. Yeah, and there's another one too,
Speaker 2: something about that. I've heard a few people say about you.
Speaker 2: Something you're writing.
Speaker 1: A your egos, writing checks. Your body can't cant.
Speaker 2: That's right. And he's the guy, and I love that guy.
Speaker 2: James Tolkien, who I always remember, is playing Napoleon in
Speaker 2: Woody Allen's Love and Death. But he gets the classic
Speaker 2: the sort of boss of the cops, you know, bawling
Speaker 2: them out, going to exactly it's that role. But then
Speaker 2: they go to another base and someone else has that role.
Speaker 2: Three different characters throughout the film get to play the
Speaker 2: I'm taking you off this case Maverick.
Speaker 1: Character, and then there's the guy with the coffee who's
Speaker 1: this mad running through scenes.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: The adult lines were take me to bed and lose
Speaker 1: me forever kind of became a bit of a thing,
Speaker 1: and I feel the need the need for speed, which
Speaker 1: when when he watching it back last night, I was
Speaker 1: really disappointed at the high five. I remember being really cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but watching it like it's.
Speaker 1: Really like Tom Cruise is like really like they know
Speaker 1: these high fives coming, really concentrating on landing that high five.
Speaker 2: Wow, Wow, great movie. High five. There's a category. The
Speaker 2: other song you mentioned, the songs You've lost that loving feeling?
Speaker 2: Is that? Where is that from? Is that? That's obviously
Speaker 2: an old song even when this, yeah, I seem.
Speaker 1: To when that came out, I feel like even as
Speaker 1: an eleven year old, I knew that song. But that
Speaker 1: became a famous, very famous scene in the movie. It
Speaker 1: was one of Meg Ryan's first She has.
Speaker 2: Very little to do, and Tim robbins as well. Is
Speaker 2: it a small role? And I was amu is by
Speaker 2: seeing him, a famous lefty actor having to sort of
Speaker 2: take part in all the high five patriotism at the
Speaker 2: final scene.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he was back then, Yeah, he done.
Speaker 1: He'd done a movie Anthony Edwards, the movie called The
Speaker 1: Sure Thing.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good. That's a that's a good rob Ryaners
Speaker 2: follow up to spital Town.
Speaker 1: That's right, yes, yes, John Cusack, Yeah, that's that's a
Speaker 1: really good film. That one.
Speaker 2: I knew him probably from Bull Durham as the first
Speaker 2: time I noticed him, although he was the lead in
Speaker 2: Howard the Duck or Howard Dot Dot, a new breed
Speaker 2: of hero for Australians.
Speaker 1: Did you notice there's a lot of perspiration, yes, almost
Speaker 1: distractingly so yeah, that's part.
Speaker 2: Of the advertising lighting of the whole thing, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, yeah, Bell Kilma. Just to get back
Speaker 1: to the valcom he was contractually a blind yes, so
Speaker 1: he didn't want to be in this film. He didn't
Speaker 1: want to be in it, so it was.
Speaker 2: He had he he done top Secret.
Speaker 1: It's weird that he had that attitude because he'd done
Speaker 1: Top Secret, one of the two other movies that I.
Speaker 2: Hadn't Real Genius.
Speaker 1: I think, yes, he's done. Really, I think maybe he
Speaker 1: was this top Secret and real Genius and TV appearances
Speaker 1: and then he's saying I don't want to be in.
Speaker 2: This yeah, big action movie, which is kind of would
Speaker 2: this be the film he's most not?
Speaker 1: I think so, I think his most iconic role. He's
Speaker 1: probably had better performances, although I think ice Man he's
Speaker 1: actually I think he's really good in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he's sort of when you first see him,
Speaker 2: he's menacingly flipping a ball point about sort of casting
Speaker 2: shade on Tom Cruise, and you think they're going to be,
Speaker 2: you know, clearly the antagonists, but he sort of they
Speaker 2: sort of come together quite quickly, and then it's a
Speaker 2: full blown romance by the by the end credits when
Speaker 2: at the very end of the film, the very final
Speaker 2: scene where Tom Cruise is in that bar and he
Speaker 2: puts on the song of the jukebox and then out
Speaker 2: of focus the background you see a female figure which
Speaker 2: turns out to be Kelly Bigiller's I so wanted that
Speaker 2: to be val killed and drag just the iceman coming
Speaker 2: in singing you've lost that loving feeling there.
Speaker 1: Was obviously they knew to get the female audience, and
Speaker 1: because a lot of it's you know, in jet planes,
Speaker 1: you know, with their faces you know, and often in
Speaker 1: their eyes covered, they needed to see some flesh on earth.
Speaker 1: So that's the only reason why the beach volleyball scene
Speaker 1: is there, and why they hang out in towels and
Speaker 1: their underwear around base. I mean, have you ever hung
Speaker 1: out with that many men in towels?
Speaker 2: You know, I've never. I've been being very thin and
Speaker 2: oft bullied young man I was. I spent my entire
Speaker 2: life avoiding situations like that, like batman. Like even at
Speaker 2: school when we had to get into swimming togs, I
Speaker 2: would somehow manage to get in. I'd probably warn them
Speaker 2: under my school uniform.
Speaker 1: I was the same with you know, the opposite reason
Speaker 1: of being a man of girth, right, okay, And I
Speaker 1: remember actually felling playing a charity game as Strawny over
Speaker 1: in the South of Straight with rather footballers.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: And afterwards everyone's in the shower and like I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm just sat in the corner like you knows, in
Speaker 1: the feet position show and the confidence of those footballs
Speaker 1: do the walk around naked, that's right, there's extraordinary.
Speaker 2: I never had any of that. And because I'm growing
Speaker 2: up in New Zealand two where the enormous Polynesian gentleman
Speaker 2: and gentlemen, I'm talking about a nine year old who's
Speaker 2: already at six foot. It was very intimidating for young man.
Speaker 1: Did you expect Goose to die? Did that come as
Speaker 1: a surprise at all?
Speaker 2: I sort of was. I was feeling that coming, but
Speaker 2: it was I didn't feel like the relationship was developed
Speaker 2: to the point where I was moved when it happened.
Speaker 2: I felt all of the melodramatic plot developments, that the
Speaker 2: thing about his dad felt very tact on. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: very I mean, I'd love to speak to someone who
Speaker 2: loves this film. I'm assuming this is sacrilege what I'm
Speaker 2: saying now.
Speaker 1: No, I mean I remember as an eleven year old
Speaker 1: feeling the Goose moment. Okay, watching a back, I can
Speaker 1: understand exactly what you're what you're saying. It did occur
Speaker 1: to me that Tom Cruise knows that Goose is dead
Speaker 1: as soon as he gets in the water, like you know,
Speaker 1: for some.
Speaker 2: Reason her out. When you look at the way that's edited,
Speaker 2: he gets over to him very quickly. Oh yeah, they
Speaker 2: landed the water miles apart, and then there's a cut
Speaker 2: and he's almost there.
Speaker 1: Well, and that scene when we played early when Viper
Speaker 1: kind of comes in and like the idea that you
Speaker 1: have to get over this is like, yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: just happened.
Speaker 2: He's right. And also when it happens, like, explain to
Speaker 2: me what happens? So they release the canopy, Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then he hits his ejectacyat too quickly, so he goes
Speaker 2: up and hits the canopy. What's happening?
Speaker 1: I mean, Meg Ryan should be suing. I think that's
Speaker 1: what Top Gun too, which is coming out soon.
Speaker 2: Is that true, isn't it? Yes?
Speaker 1: It was supposed to come out in June this year,
Speaker 1: but Corona has sent it back to July twenty one.
Speaker 1: It may be one of the gifts coronavirus has given us.
Speaker 2: Okay, but what is Top Gun?
Speaker 1: To what I've seen the trailer, it's Maverick gonna coming
Speaker 1: back to Top Gun?
Speaker 2: Is he a train because he was training he is, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's.
Speaker 1: Unclear to me. I think he stopped training for a while.
Speaker 1: I'm sure something happened.
Speaker 2: Is he going to mentor like the how the older
Speaker 2: Indiana Jones had it. It's not going to be one
Speaker 2: of those, is it. I can only assume it will
Speaker 2: be Timothy Challo May will be the new young Maverick.
Speaker 2: I was just like you spills his coffee.
Speaker 1: I was always going to say, actually, Timothy shall Mate
Speaker 1: is in it?
Speaker 2: Oh is he really? No, he's not.
Speaker 1: Because I watched the Top Gun trailer to trailer last night,
Speaker 1: and then I watched the Dispatch trailer after, which is
Speaker 1: Where's Anderson movie? Timothy shallow mate?
Speaker 2: I would love to see Wes Anderson doing the sequel
Speaker 2: to Top Gun, shot entirely in front on wide shots
Speaker 2: with harpsichord music, play Bill Murray. That would be great. No,
Speaker 2: that's and then the planes, even the planes exploding looked good.
Speaker 2: I thought, I'm going these are models, clearly, these are models. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but they must be huge models.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, they're there. It's that is one of that.
Speaker 1: As you mentioned, it's one of the impressive things they did.
Speaker 1: They were allowed to use one missile. Yeah, so they'll
Speaker 1: give them one missile to actually shoot and film. And
Speaker 1: so they got it from different angles and either looped
Speaker 1: it or reversed it and and flipped it.
Speaker 2: And because even that look there was no like, it
Speaker 2: has not dated at all in how it looks. No,
Speaker 2: whereas remember Twister, how amazing that it was. I remember
Speaker 2: going a second time because it was so amazing wat
Speaker 2: it for a while. I saw it about a year
Speaker 2: and a half after it came out and just WoT, oh, no,
Speaker 2: already looks terrible. The other my lifetime has been full
Speaker 2: of films that looked amazing when they came out, and
Speaker 2: then you go, is this like Tron? I remember seeing
Speaker 2: Tron and wherever it was ninety eighty two and this
Speaker 2: is amazing, and then seeing it in the nineties and
Speaker 2: going is this is this actually the film or is
Speaker 2: this like a pilot for the film? Is this like
Speaker 2: an animatic of the effect? Well?
Speaker 1: Star Wars is you know, almost the best example of
Speaker 1: like you know, you're almost I mean, we did an
Speaker 1: episode with why lead who hadn't seen Star Wars and
Speaker 1: you really have to put yourself to really completely understand it,
Speaker 1: and he enjoyed it, but to really understand and get
Speaker 1: why this that's a phenomenon. You've really got to put
Speaker 1: yourself into the nineteen seventy seven and to imagine seeing
Speaker 1: this for the first time.
Speaker 2: That's right and one of the great The only thing
Speaker 2: I think that impressed me about those prequels that came
Speaker 2: out is that obviously they've they've had a meeting and gone.
Speaker 2: This is kind to be very strange in the future
Speaker 2: when people watch them in order, when they watched one, two, three,
Speaker 2: and then they go to four and they go, hang,
Speaker 2: why does it suddenly look like Doctor Who from the
Speaker 2: nineteen to sixties.
Speaker 1: It's like going from VHS to That's.
Speaker 2: Right, but they've obviously anticipated that. And if you look
Speaker 2: at the last ten minutes of the third prequel, they
Speaker 2: take it back to try and smooth over the joint.
Speaker 2: They take it back to the look of that of
Speaker 2: the fourth or the first one, part four because the
Speaker 2: first scene, remember the first scene in Star Wars is
Speaker 2: in the corridor on a spaceship and it's quite cheap,
Speaker 2: like Star Wars was only made for I think nine
Speaker 2: and a half million dollars Credible, which was quite cheap
Speaker 2: even then. And the walls of that corridor don't quite
Speaker 2: touch the floor, and they've recreated that in the final
Speaker 2: scene of the third prequel. Okay, I might be remembering
Speaker 2: this wrong, but been quite impressed by that.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go and look at that again. Were
Speaker 1: you surprised from a story point of view from top
Speaker 1: Gun that they sent Maverick back up to say this
Speaker 1: this dangers looming or or you're not even looming. It's
Speaker 1: on the on the doorstep unspecified enemy. Maverick hasn't got
Speaker 1: his confidence, has got his mojo back yet no people
Speaker 1: are losing faith in him, So why not put him
Speaker 1: up in the sky as Iceman's wingman. I think ice
Speaker 1: Man had a good point, to be honest. Is he
Speaker 1: the right part to send up?
Speaker 2: I know, because the problem I had with a lot
Speaker 2: of this, and you always feel bad siding with the
Speaker 2: bad guy in a film. But whenever the iceman started
Speaker 2: doing his rand about how undisciplined and not a team player,
Speaker 2: I was just on his side. I was Man's completely
Speaker 2: making sense. Tom Cruise is a dangerous person to be
Speaker 2: out there. And then at the end, don't they mirror
Speaker 2: that line where he goes, yeah, you are dangerous.
Speaker 1: You can be my wing man anytime. Bullshit, Yeah you
Speaker 1: can be mine.
Speaker 2: But I'm assuming because as you've mentioned that, the Navy,
Speaker 2: in order to let them film all this, they had
Speaker 2: to approve the script. So part of me is going,
Speaker 2: this seems very unlikely. But then I'm going, but this
Speaker 2: has been approved by the news. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 2: assuming it's possible, but it didn't seem believable.
Speaker 1: No, no, not at all. Do anything else.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to I'm searching through my notes to
Speaker 2: see if I've got anything positive written down. I love
Speaker 2: how when this was a great line that's aged well.
Speaker 2: When the very near the start of the film, when
Speaker 2: Tom Cruise and Goose walk into a bar full of
Speaker 2: hot women, and Tom Cruise says, and I've written it down,
Speaker 2: this is what I call it target rich environment.
Speaker 1: This is what I call it target rich environment.
Speaker 2: You live your life between your legs, Mau Goose.
Speaker 1: Even you can get lead into place like this, Dhania.
Speaker 2: I'd be happy to find a girl who talk dirty killing.
Speaker 1: Do you want to know who the best is?
Speaker 2: That's him Icet. It's the way he flies ice called
Speaker 2: no mistakes, just wears you down.
Speaker 4: You get bored, frustrated, do something stupid.
Speaker 1: He's got you.
Speaker 2: That's aged very well. I've just written down. I've written
Speaker 2: down several times. Zero chemistry. Yeah, no, I think I
Speaker 2: think we've covered everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you have mentioned you were impressed
Speaker 1: by at least the shooting of the action sequences.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's one of those films that hasn't
Speaker 2: dated in its look, and there's not many films in
Speaker 2: that kind of special effects action era that.
Speaker 1: And because they're often wearing just the uniform. Even from
Speaker 1: a fashion point.
Speaker 2: None of that, there's no It's funny when that happens
Speaker 2: because one of my very favorite films from the eighties
Speaker 2: is David Lynch's Blue Velvet, and he's so particular about
Speaker 2: the look of everything that it's kind of timeless. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're not even sure when it's happening. But there is
Speaker 2: a scene even in that film, there's a scene towards
Speaker 2: the end where they go to an eighties party and
Speaker 2: it almost becomes you know, weird science for a few minutes.
Speaker 1: It was like Crocodile Dundee almost has a Yeah, the
Speaker 1: first half when they're in Australia has a lot of
Speaker 1: timeless feel because there's all out back, so you accept that.
Speaker 1: But when he goes to New York and he goes
Speaker 1: you know that the parties where they're playing mentals and anything,
Speaker 1: you know, live it up and you know, you got
Speaker 1: the shoulder pads and that's where you know it starts feeling.
Speaker 2: I've forgotten that. And then the second one, this is
Speaker 2: like tough streak gangs, isn't there?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the second one. And here's a question for you.
Speaker 2: We were talking about this on radio recently. Who is
Speaker 2: the most Eighties person, the most eighties looking person in
Speaker 2: an eighties movie? Ah, I know it's a tough one
Speaker 2: to just spring on you.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, we're My mind went straight away
Speaker 1: was Anthony McCarthy, Anthony manequin and oh yes, Andrew mccas
Speaker 1: Andrew McCarthy from Pretty and Pink almost some reason. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if that's my absolute answer, but that's where
Speaker 1: my mind went to. First.
Speaker 2: Here's the one I thought of, Robert Downey Junior in
Speaker 2: Back to School with Rodney Dangerfield.
Speaker 1: Take a hakee, you elitist fraternity scumbag.
Speaker 2: Now you might not be getting a picture of that
Speaker 2: right now, but if you google that, if you google
Speaker 2: it's the most eighties outfit here, sort of mascara everything.
Speaker 2: That's that's my favorite eighties looking character. That.
Speaker 1: It was great, Hey, before we let you go, we
Speaker 1: direct again. Bad Eggs was a wonderful movie. Go check
Speaker 1: it out if you haven't already. There was such a great,
Speaker 1: great thing I remember thinking for many years later afterwards like,
Speaker 1: when's only going to make another one? Well?
Speaker 2: And yeah, I've written a few. I've written for the
Speaker 2: last three or four years, I've been trying to get
Speaker 2: and this is in saying don't do this everyone. I've
Speaker 2: been trying to get a stop motion animation film made,
Speaker 2: but very few people are aside from the people who
Speaker 2: do Wallace and Grommet, and where's very few people set
Speaker 2: up for stop motion. Trying to get one made is
Speaker 2: as slow and painstaking as making a stop motion film.
Speaker 2: I'm hopefully directing a web series, so that's that's how
Speaker 2: I've lowered my sites. But I've got some friend of
Speaker 2: mine's written some great scripts that we're hoping to make
Speaker 2: a web series early in twenty twenty one, assuming that
Speaker 2: we'll be able to what was current goings on?
Speaker 1: What was your experience with bad Aggs? What did you
Speaker 1: what did you learn? Because I remember, like im even
Speaker 1: asking you like in probably like five years out the
Speaker 1: Bad Eggs, are you going to do another one? And
Speaker 1: when I made we made I Love You Too. I
Speaker 1: didn't direct I Love You Too, but we made it
Speaker 1: that in twenty ten, Yes, and I remember I asked,
Speaker 1: was you know? And even the years since then I've
Speaker 1: kind of gone. They're really hard to make.
Speaker 2: It's such a massive undertaking. I mean that was even
Speaker 2: though it came together quite quickly. It's probably two or
Speaker 2: three years work for something goes ninety eight minutes. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: And it's such a huge amount of work. And it
Speaker 2: wasn't a huge hit when it came out. It did
Speaker 2: all right, but it had come out after Crackerjack, which
Speaker 2: was a massive success, so it was seen as not
Speaker 2: being right, you know. It was seen as a disappointment.
Speaker 2: But it's funny. It just kept selling overseas and money
Speaker 2: just kept coming in to the point where eventually broke
Speaker 2: even and then it started to go into profit. I
Speaker 2: couldn't believe it, and it was I going, what's happening.
Speaker 2: It's not out, it's not even on. You can't even
Speaker 2: get DVDs, And they go, oh, Portugal have gone man
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 1: Well, that's really funny. I Love You, I Love you too. Well,
Speaker 1: it's kind of weird because you kind of put this
Speaker 1: film out and then the goods goes that you almost
Speaker 1: hand it over, Yes, the distribit is kind to take
Speaker 1: it over, and it has this weird life like I
Speaker 1: Love You Too. It was like number two for quite
Speaker 1: a while in Russia. Wow, you know, and then it
Speaker 1: did quite well at the Israeli Film Festival.
Speaker 2: You've got in that film, You've got Peter Dinklin. Is
Speaker 2: there anyone else?
Speaker 1: Instowski?
Speaker 2: There you go? So we didn't. The biggest name we
Speaker 2: had internationally speaking was Bill Hunter, and even Bill Hunter
Speaker 2: wasn't a household So it's always amazing to me where
Speaker 2: it's like we heard Bad Eggs was doing really well
Speaker 2: in Germany, making me the comedy version of David Hasselhoff.
Speaker 2: In Germany, it's called mits volum ainsartz, which apparently means
Speaker 2: with extreme force or something to that effect.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you did. You mentioned this earlier when
Speaker 1: we were talking about retitling.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, because I just go, what does Bob Franklin's
Speaker 2: voice sound like in German? Although it's funny. Have you
Speaker 2: seen your film dubbed into another? That's always a very
Speaker 2: odd experience.
Speaker 1: I don't think I have. Actually, i've seen posters for
Speaker 1: it in foreign languages, which is unfortunately I wasn't able
Speaker 1: to get my hands on any of them. That's the
Speaker 1: one post, if a post it would have been the
Speaker 1: one in Russian.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, what about the jokes that you're going,
Speaker 2: what are they? Well?
Speaker 1: And Germans particular one too, because they Eddie Isar talks
Speaker 1: about it. The way they the syntax and the way
Speaker 1: they sent they structure their sentences is kind of almost
Speaker 1: the opposite the way we do it. So comedy has
Speaker 1: got to German. Germans have ad a weird relationship with
Speaker 1: English comedy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a very and in my film it's
Speaker 2: a very dry sort of those Bob Franklin lines. I
Speaker 2: can't imagine what I really I would love to hear
Speaker 2: and as well exactly, Oh yeah, I must get the
Speaker 2: German version at some point.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you. You can be my wingman. Anytime I'll
Speaker 1: meet of them.
Speaker 2: I'll get the jukebox fired up. We can do a
Speaker 2: little dance number.
Speaker 1: That was so much fun. Tony Martin was one of
Speaker 1: the first people I dreamed about getting when I thought
Speaker 1: of this podcast, and I even had emails from people saying,
Speaker 1: please get Tony Martin, and people were fascinated with what
Speaker 1: movie he made Choose. I know somebody had emailed me saying,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's seen everything. He'd probably be impossible for
Speaker 1: him to nominate a movie. Well it wasn't Top Gun.
Speaker 2: There it is.
Speaker 1: Tony was a bit nervous. He told me afterwards about
Speaker 1: coming in and knowing he didn't particularly enjoy the film.
Speaker 1: But you know, that's what this is. It's yes, it's
Speaker 1: you know, I hope this is a celebration of film,
Speaker 1: but not everyone who's gonna love every film they watch him.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I had a bit of a hunch
Speaker 1: that Tony Martin may not love Top Gun the way
Speaker 1: many people have before him. So fantastic. Tony is an
Speaker 1: absolute genius and sizzletown check that out his podcast It
Speaker 1: is one hell of a ride and in Bad Eggs.
Speaker 1: Go check out and find Bad Eggs to watch from
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, starring mc malloy above, Franklin and
Speaker 1: Judith Lucy, directed and written by Tone. So thanks again, Tony.
Speaker 1: Thanks Derek Mais my podcast manager at Casaway Studios. If
Speaker 1: you want to see me an email Yasny Podcast at
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Thank you for all the emails coming through.
Speaker 1: I have loved them, so I hope you did enjoy
Speaker 1: this Christmas episode. If you ain't seen nothing yet, next
Speaker 1: week on the show, we have a great comedian tearing
Speaker 1: it up. He has a Netflix special out now check
Speaker 1: it out. It is Rehys Nicholson. He is brilliant and
Speaker 1: loves his cinema. And he'll be checking out Rosemary's Baby,
Speaker 1: and I'll be watching also for the first time. I
Speaker 1: look forward to that, Rees Nicholson. And you ain't seen
Speaker 1: nothing yet with Rosemary's Baby until then. Bye. And so
Speaker 1: we leave all Pete save Van sul and to our
Speaker 1: friends of the radio audience, we've been a pleasant good name.